DO NOT discuss the source material beyond this episode. If you want to discuss future events or theories, please use separate threads.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
| As a person who has never seen the original I liked it. The characters are really lovable and full of personality. I especially liked Vash. I like goofy but badass characters like him. The CG animation was also extremely good for the most part. This seems like a good show to watch in this season. |
 |
Enjyu said: What? Old Trigun anime is big in the west but overall is a fairly average product with slapstick comedy, ok plot and some cool looking design characters. CSM is levels above Trigun manga and anime. Old Trigun ACTUAL animations weren't that impressive in 98, many episodes were straight bad and upon a recent rewatch it really doesnt hold up the stand of time. Many fans of the old anime should try rewatch a few eps for re-evaluating the show. The anime industry grows faster than us, so we either adapt or we stay behind lingering, with our beautiful 2D animes. I was really looking forward to this, and I can't hide my disappointment in the animation approach. The original (rated 10/10 in my list, higher than I rated the manga) essentially sets a variety of high level expectations for returning viewers, art, detail, humour, plot, colours, and characters, basically all that anime used to be about before it fell to miserable levels like CSM or the like. It's ep 1, it's not a sequel and not a re-make, it'e early and hard to say in what direction the plot is going to, art and animation is not to my liking as I'm just slightly ancient, but I am willing to give it few more episodes chance to redeem itself story-wise, regardless. I would certainly appreciate it if they don't butcher the characters' personalities any further, and I will only say Milly's absence is just incomprehencible and unforgivable, no excuse. Ep 1 was alright, I hope they don't murder an epic series while all knowing too well how high the bar is set Anyway this is a retelling from one of the best cgi studio in anime that gave us land of the lustrous and beastars, it will be a quality product. The animation is top notch, what you and many others fail to grasp is that you despise the actual render of the characters and the usage of CGI. |
WhiteTestamentJan 8, 2023 9:21 AM
| I don't remember much from the original anime or manga series, but I enjoyed the first episode, especially the duel. People are mentioning the CG a lot...CG used to bother me, too, but after watching multiple Chinese donghua, nothing about it can bother me, anymore. I think this CG is pretty good. It's too early to say much else, but I'm excited to watch the other episodes. |
| First thing's first - I don't mind the new look. Sure, I think the original is better, but I don't hate the new one either. It's clear to me that this is supposed to be separate. That being said, I'm a big disappointed. A lot of the writing of the characters seems a lot more surface-level than the original, which presented them as far more nuanced. I know we're only one episode in, but Vash forgetting that he was out of ammo and running around crying for a bullet seems very out of character. He was a goofball, but he was always very deliberate in his actions. That's not a mistake he would have made. Also, this time around Meryl's personality felt almost like a caricature of her old self. There are more, but those were the two most obvious to me. The whole thing just kind of felt...off. I know, I know...I said that it's supposed to be separate, and I'm fine with that - I'm viewing these as different characters from who I watched in the original. But it already feels massively less well-written. I'll still continue, but my expectations have already been massively lowered. But hey, hopefully that means I'll end up surprised! edit: I have been informed that Vash ran out of bullets in the first episode of the original as well. I totally forgot about that...but they definitely handled it differently. |
ChangeLeopardonJan 8, 2023 4:25 PM
 |
| this was a horrible watch tumblrina art design and style coupled with fortnite coloring scheme 10 FPS and lazy animation putting emphasis on flashiness rather than quality. Facial expressions seems out of touch and half-dead most of the time. in fact all of the emoting felt that way. Vash's VA choice is bad for this one. |
| Wow that CG was good |
 |
| It ended up showing up on Hulu, huzzah. All-in-all, I liked it. It's still super early, so it's hard to tell how much will be completely original content and how much will adapt the manga. As long Nightow is spearheading this, I really don't mind if we get some original scenes. It's not like someone else is taking control of his story and doing whatever they want with it. He's actively involved, and he's a good writer and artist, so I trust him, for now. Other than that, Milly is sure to be missed, But, there were some slick scenes in this first episode. Vash taking down the military cop was impressive, and the single shot into the rock was a nice counter to the falling bombs. Again, it's still early. But, I'd rather be optimistic than assume I'll be disappointed. It's not like the original Trigun strictly followed the manga, and it's in my Top 10. So, I'm looking forward to this. |
 "...Is your mother worried? Would you like us to assign someone to worry your mother?" |
WhiteTestament said: Enjyu said: What? Old Trigun anime is big in the west but overall is a fairly average product with slapstick comedy, ok plot and some cool looking design characters. CSM is levels above Trigun manga and anime. Old Trigun ACTUAL animations weren't that impressive in 98, many episodes were straight bad and upon a recent rewatch it really doesnt hold up the stand of time. Many fans of the old anime should try rewatch a few eps for re-evaluating the show. The anime industry grows faster than us, so we either adapt or we stay behind lingering, with our beautiful 2D animes. I was really looking forward to this, and I can't hide my disappointment in the animation approach. The original (rated 10/10 in my list, higher than I rated the manga) essentially sets a variety of high level expectations for returning viewers, art, detail, humour, plot, colours, and characters, basically all that anime used to be about before it fell to miserable levels like CSM or the like. It's ep 1, it's not a sequel and not a re-make, it'e early and hard to say in what direction the plot is going to, art and animation is not to my liking as I'm just slightly ancient, but I am willing to give it few more episodes chance to redeem itself story-wise, regardless. I would certainly appreciate it if they don't butcher the characters' personalities any further, and I will only say Milly's absence is just incomprehencible and unforgivable, no excuse. Ep 1 was alright, I hope they don't murder an epic series while all knowing too well how high the bar is set Anyway this is a retelling from one of the best cgi studio in anime that gave us land of the lustrous and beastars, it will be a quality product. The animation is top notch, what you and many others fail to grasp is that you despise the actual render of the characters and the usage of CGI. Not sure where you got your confidence in what you believe is what me or anyone else fails to grasp, when I only said it's not to my liking, but one thing I can asure you, art style and animation is the only thing I don't give a rat's arse about as long as the plot is good. That however does not mean I'm not entiteled to an opinion, and you'll have to agree with me on this one, art is subjective, so your "top notch" is most certainly someone else's "eyes hurt" or "mediocre" and that conflict shouldn't encourage you to make decisions on other people's behalf. Since you mentioned it I feel obliged to say, I'm sorry but I just can't see how CSM is "above", I have rarely rated that low and felt that frustrated for watching something, but that's also subjective so whatever argument you might have, it will certainly not change my disappointment or stance. |
 |
Enjyu said: The actual animations of the 3d rendered CGI characters is very good, and this studio already proved this with its previous works. I can totally see why it would annoy a large portion of viewers since it's obviously a different approach and it gives a different feeling regarding movement, but from a purely technical viewpoint is objectively well animated. The OG Trigun, always from an animation pov, had a strong start but it immediately drops the quality in the middle section of the series with all those stand alone episodes (almost the majority of them) and it regains its budget only toward the end with knives, rem episodes etc. This is way I find it baffling that a good majority of old fans bash this new project while the og trigun had a lot of problems from a technical perspective. WhiteTestament said: What? Old Trigun anime is big in the west but overall is a fairly average product with slapstick comedy, ok plot and some cool looking design characters. CSM is levels above Trigun manga and anime. Old Trigun ACTUAL animations weren't that impressive in 98, many episodes were straight bad and upon a recent rewatch it really doesnt hold up the stand of time. Many fans of the old anime should try rewatch a few eps for re-evaluating the show. Anyway this is a retelling from one of the best cgi studio in anime that gave us land of the lustrous and beastars, it will be a quality product. The animation is top notch, what you and many others fail to grasp is that you despise the actual render of the characters and the usage of CGI. Not sure where you got your confidence in what you believe is what me or anyone else fails to grasp, when I only said it's not to my liking, but one thing I can asure you, art style and animation is the only thing I don't give a rat's arse about as long as the plot is good. That however does not mean I'm not entiteled to an opinion, and you'll have to agree with me on this one, art is subjective, so your "top notch" is most certainly someone else's "eyes hurt" or "mediocre" and that conflict shouldn't encourage you to make decisions on other people's behalf. Since you mentioned it I feel obliged to say, I'm sorry but I just can't see how CSM is "above", I have rarely rated that low and felt that frustrated for watching something, but that's also subjective so whatever argument you might have, it will certainly not change my disappointment or stance. About CSM... I don't know if you watched only the recent aired anime or read the whole manga, anyway it's really levels above in basically everything compared to Trigun. I still think that Fujimoto's style and paneling is really difficult to grasp and adapt in other mediums, whichever they may be. So I can see the eventual disappointment in CSM anime. |
MG_Othinus said: I have to say, those who think the animation is bad then they really need to fix their damn eyes. It is just the usual anime snobs. |
| Safe to say this is the worse Trigun of the two. I would recommend anyone new go watch the real one, no cgi, better characters, more coherent story, etc. |
| I'm blown away right now! CG anime done right, and I can't wait for more episodes! |
WhiteTestament said: I'm not sure we're on the same page, I can deffinitely tell you're set on defending CGI and the studio, but I'm not attacking anything (well maybe CMS a bit, but we agreed that's subjective, I hope). I might not like it, but in my original post I did touch on the topic of the industry evolving and having a choice of following ot falling behind, so I think that shows understanding as I clearly decided to go for it (CGI Trigun and many more). Fair point if it's "technically" good or not, but that's for people with technical knowledge to say, I as the majority I'll dare say, are not aware of those details, we perceive it as just art, hence it's easy do decide it it's a yes or no thing, I hope that makes sence. Enjyu said: The actual animations of the 3d rendered CGI characters is very good, and this studio already proved this with its previous works. I can totally see why it would annoy a large portion of viewers since it's obviously a different approach and it gives a different feeling regarding movement, but from a purely technical viewpoint is objectively well animated. The OG Trigun, always from an animation pov, had a strong start but it immediately drops the quality in the middle section of the series with all those stand alone episodes (almost the majority of them) and it regains its budget only toward the end with knives, rem episodes etc. This is way I find it baffling that a good majority of old fans bash this new project while the og trigun had a lot of problems from a technical perspective. Not sure where you got your confidence in what you believe is what me or anyone else fails to grasp, when I only said it's not to my liking, but one thing I can asure you, art style and animation is the only thing I don't give a rat's arse about as long as the plot is good. That however does not mean I'm not entiteled to an opinion, and you'll have to agree with me on this one, art is subjective, so your "top notch" is most certainly someone else's "eyes hurt" or "mediocre" and that conflict shouldn't encourage you to make decisions on other people's behalf. Since you mentioned it I feel obliged to say, I'm sorry but I just can't see how CSM is "above", I have rarely rated that low and felt that frustrated for watching something, but that's also subjective so whatever argument you might have, it will certainly not change my disappointment or stance. About CSM... I don't know if you watched only the recent aired anime or read the whole manga, anyway it's really levels above in basically everything compared to Trigun. I still think that Fujimoto's style and paneling is really difficult to grasp and adapt in other mediums, whichever they may be. So I can see the eventual disappointment in CSM anime. Flower it, once we anticipated a great plot, art regardless (that was for us to look forward to), awesome development, amazing characters to show up, I can say that on the behalf of the group I was part of, but I'm sure others will agree. If you thought Trigun's stand alone eps were it's downfall, then how does that justify CSM? It was basically a compilation of stand alone episodes and the pacing was so bad, I found myself holding a finger over the skip button, I still have no idea where the plot wanted to go, I didn't like the pacing, charaters, or anything for that matter, I just thought the animation is good |
|
| That was honestly really great. Good directing, VA, OST and the best CGI I've seen in any TV anime. Surprised that the reception is so lukewarm. |
| The art style will take getting used to. And boy they started right out of the gate with Seeds stuff and Knives. Also loved the Star Wars opening. |
 |
minix_animade said: You're misunderstanding me, I'm not blaming any new techniques, rather I'm saddened by the death of a very good, once commercial only 20 years ago art form that was there when I was a child and is now completely gone cause "muh computer" or "muh money/time". One of my favorite anime films visually is Pokemon the First Movie. It combines traditional cel animation (I think?) with full blown 3D animation. Such a captivating look. I don't hate new techniques. Hell I don't hate CGI at all. There's plenty of new anime that I think look great. I do hate seeing people getting lazier and lazier and being willing to pay for garbage all for the sake of getting it faster. People seem to have no patience anymore. I'm not advocating for a return to the stone age, but by God, 1998 was freaking 24 years ago, not 1,000. I sound like I'm fuckin' 65 but I was born barely even two decades ago. No no, I understood what you meant. Although I expressed my point of view and how I see it differently myself, because I see it as a typical evolution of trends in animation, combined with the development of new technologies and how they become more popular in the industry. Something that can't be controlled, because it's determined by too many different factors (industry itself, viewers' tastes, amount of physical copies of animes sold after their premiere, merchandise sales, etc.). It's better to just enter the flow, in my opinion. Not without being critical. It's good to have your own taste, point of view or preferences when it comes to buying certain type of anime merchandise, but there are also some things that one person or even group of fans do not have control over and will never have. As for the art styles typical for certain decades, it's a matter of taste whether somebody finds one or more of them as their favorite one(s). They don't have to do much with the animation's quality or even the whole evolution of animation styles I mentioned earlier. minix_animade said: Of course the natural response is "get over it", which, fair enough I guess. But again, where will the line be drawn? If the future of anime is say, cheap shitty scribbles of generic deviantart OC equivalent characters fighting each other made in 5 seconds by artificial intelligence, I genuinely wonder if the general populace would even care as long as their waifu is in it. We are many years from the point of even considering using AI generated images in the industry, and even farther from them becoming something widely spread in the world of animation. However, such times might eventually happen one day, even if it'd be a really distant future. Like I said before, it might be another step in the evolution of animation. From hand-drawn 2D animation to 2D animation done with the help of digital techniques, through animation powered up by 3D models, ending with a futuristic vision of AI generated shows. I can see it happening. About the audience not caring much about the style as long as it appeals to their taste, well... that's how business works like. If it sells well, you get more similar products appearing on the market. If they start selling bad, then companies search for different trends that might take their place as "something that sells good". minix_animade said: I can certainly tolerate new techniques while mourning old ones past and feel fear for the future. Yeah, it's something normal. That kind of thoughts might grow in number especially when somebody is familiar with different styles of animation, has some knowledge about the industry's history itself, and perhaps even was able to experience such road of animation's evolution right away while watching shows aired during different decades before the next decade has emerges (well, it sounds kinda awkward, but I hope I worded it clear enough for everyone to understand, lol; apologies if I failed to do it). minix_animade said: Am I misunderstanding what you're saying? Maybe I talked over you. I don't think so. I mean, we both shared our opinions on the topic and commented on each other's point of views. I didn't feel as if you talked over me or something, so no worries. :-) |
| Painful to watch, and I'm not only referring to the CGI |
| Quantum ille canis est in fenestra |
| Extremely different from the original version. Maybe because you can see that it's more animated compared with the old version. But it's kinda interesting. I liked Meryl in the original one and I kinda like it in this one. The ending song was quite interesting. |
More topics from this board
» Does this season leave off on a huge cliffhanger?kakashis_sidehoe - Oct 22 |
13 |
by vestaldestroyer
»»
Oct 28, 4:14 AM |
|
Poll: » Trigun Stampede Episode 10 Discussion ( 1 2 )Stark700 - Mar 11, 2023 |
70 |
by kirA_-_
»»
Oct 23, 12:48 PM |
|
Poll: » Trigun Stampede Episode 9 DiscussionStark700 - Mar 4, 2023 |
47 |
by kirA_-_
»»
Oct 23, 11:33 AM |
|
Poll: » Trigun Stampede Episode 4 Discussion ( 1 2 )Stark700 - Jan 28, 2023 |
90 |
by kirA_-_
»»
Oct 21, 6:50 AM |
|
Poll: » Trigun Stampede Episode 3 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 )Stark700 - Jan 21, 2023 |
156 |
by kirA_-_
»»
Oct 21, 6:20 AM |