Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu 2nd Season Episode 2 Discussion

Jul 16, 2020 11:40 PM

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Echidna voiced by Maaya Sakamoto!? now that's gonna be a whole new level of relentlessness!!
5/5.

Jul 17, 2020 1:23 AM

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Love this episode

We have some shockers here;

• beatrice is back; and surprisingly she knew "guese" and she even said he leaves... Hmmm...

• we have 2 new maids at roswalds mansion.. (one returnee and one new)

• and the real deal: ECHIDNA APPEARED (WITCH OF GREED)...

AND I JUST LOVE THE OP OST AND THE VISUALS USED IN THIS SEASON. echidna almost have all the screen time in that OP. Yeah...

Jul 17, 2020 5:05 AM

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I wonder if this is geuse
this screenshot is from frozen bond OVA

Jul 17, 2020 5:34 AM

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it's Dona tea time!!!!
loved this episode Betty's chat with Subaru had some hints
Otto is the new comedic relief character, we'll probably need a lot of that this season
and Echidna long awaited introduction! followed by the op which is gonna be one of the best openings of this season or even this year, just the way Echidna scatters those butterfly...Ah can't wait for next episode!
btw does anyone knows how the rating of an anime works on MAL
or can at least point me to where I can read about it?

Jul 17, 2020 6:19 AM

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W8And said:

I wonder if this is geuse
this screenshot is from frozen bond OVA

I almost forgot that Frozen Bonds movie foreshadowned lots of things that i GUESS will be important.

It is NOT spoiler, since its supposed that we watched it already as a canon prequel of this season, just as SEASON 1.

1. In Frozen Bonds, it is repeatly stated by the enemy that Emilia IS the reincarnation of Satella. What in the 1st season never was straight afirmed.

2. In Frozen Bonds, we learn that Emilia was discovered in a ice block (a la Avatar) by Puck, and she has vague memories of the Elf community of the forest being frozen to eternity by an event that she dont know what was exactly, but she is affraid that it was her fault.

3. In Frozen Bonds, also there are 2 frames from 2 persons that maybe was in Emilia's vague memories too:

- A guy in the same priest's clothes and with the same hair color of the standard Petelgeuse's body (picture above)

- a female Elf with the same haircolor AND the same HAIRPIN of Emilia.

Hey, even i who never had read the novels beyond the ep. 5 of this season (nothing important was revealed yet) , can tell the OBVIOUS by these images: Emilia is a HALF-elf, soooo, they probably aaaaree heerr P... Spoiler? Oh come on!

Annnd finally, the misterious female voice who was telling Puck what he was suppposed to do towards Emilia, and what he was not, ....

These are the most obvious. Right, there are lots of theories that can be made, in special about Puck, but the novel readers would never allow us to discuss it without start to nuke Spoilers from the orbit, like every novel, manga or (now) webtoon readers always do...

Rob7Jul 17, 2020 6:28 AM

Jul 17, 2020 7:12 AM

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rakp333 said:

What should he ask when nothing happened? He did ask about the Witch to Beatrice in Ep8 and Beatrice explained to him about Satella. What else was he supposed to ask? That time his priority was solving the case at hand (Dog attack), so he asked that.

Why didn't he ask about the Witch's powers? Why didn't he ask if the Witch has ever brought someone from another world? In fact, why doesn't Subaru ever think of telling anyone he's from another world?

rakp333 said:

No no. Felt is a slum dweller who joins the race for the throne. Why should the author make her a maid.
And there's more to Felt and her involvement with the Throne, some details were skipped out in the anime

. So yeah Felt will be important in future, and she has her role to play. Same goes for other characters assigned other important roles.

She didn't have to just be a slum dweller. Re: Zero is a fictional story. When writers write a story, during the process, anything goes, as long as things are as concise and make sense.

[quote=rakp333 message=60235506]
Well, yes. That comes from his flawed personality of taking things for granted. He usually prefers to take the easy-way-out so doesn't make much effort to do anything, until things go wrong. And 1st season was pretty much about his character development. This season is a bit different because things have already gone pretty wrong and the entire 24 episodes (Cour1 + Cour2) is one continuous Arc without any break.[quote]

I don't think season 1 really presented this as a flaw, though. Will Subaru become a more active character in season 2 and onwards? Will the characters follow a more clear-cut goal onwards too?

rakp333 said:

Does this matter a lot? Subjective to taste IMO.

Yes it does matter: aesthetics are incredibly important. Imagine watching Texhnolyze, only it's all bright and colorful; it would be a huge turn off.
Some, including me, have called Re: Zero edgy precisely because of this mismatch of aesthetics and tone.

rakp333 said:
It never really bothered me. In fact, I enjoy it this way.

How come?

rakp333 said:

Should it really? All anime need not follow some general rules of using colors and aesthetics.

Yes they should. And most anime do this: Berserk is a really dark series, so it has a dark aesthetic. Natsume's Book of Friends and Mushishi are very light hearted anime, so they have a softer aesthetic. Naruto is in between (but leans more in the light hearted side), so the aesthetics are in between.

rakp333 said:
Re:Zero is trying to be unique (or do it) in its own way. Whether one likes it or not is subjective, but most people liked this in Re:Zero.

How is Re: Zero unique in its aesthetics?

rakp333 said:

Which dialogues do you mean here?

In the very 1st ep of Re: Zero, when Subaru was reading a manga, and then goes out of the store, he said something about how he was tired 'cause he spent all day playing games. That's forced expository dialogue: there's no reason for the character to restate information he already knows.

rakp333 said:

Girls != Harem

It's not a harem per say, but it certainly wants to have the aesthetics of one.

rakp333 said:

Rem is the only case with any significant screentime around the MC.
It won't be the case anymore though since she's "erased".
No other female character will have any significant screentime with Subaru (except for Emilia). Ok include Beatrice also, but she has a different purpose (she's not into Subaru romantically, she's a spirit like Puck)

I meant this: Re: Zero fans praise this series for NOT pandering to otakus, yet Rem is precisely that: pandering material. It's wanting to eat your cake too.

rakp333 said:

I mean there the MC actually goes around solving problems of these girls and the focus of the narrative changes on to these girls. Subaru is pretty much on Emilia only. Other girls (except Rem) didn't get any focus, and won't be getting any.

That's fair. I brought up Bakemonogatari in response to you saying that in other anime the MC doesn't confess early on.

rakp333 said:

As I said above, only Rem had some focus, but Subaru rejected her. And she's pretty much non-existent now. Petra is just a small kid who is very fond of Subaru. I wouldn't call it "love" or "romantic interest".

That's fair. I wouldn't classify Re: Zero a harem either...but it really wants to have elements of a harem.

rakp333 said:
Are all these shows "harem"? I haven't seen the other shows.

But in Bake the other girls get focus and development with the MC. In Re:Zero it was only Rem. And she's out of picture now.

Why does it matter if all these shows are harem? You said that Re: Zero is unique in that the MC confesses early on, so I brought up other anime where the protagonists end up in a relationship early on, which goes further than what Re: Zero did, in which Emilia and Subaru don't end up in a relationship early on. But to answer your question: only Bake and My Bride is a Mermaid on that list are harems.

rakp333 said:

There was, their relationship changed a lot. Check the first 12 episodes. Then they had a fight/misunderstanding in ep13, which resulted in Rem coming into the picture for the later half. But he rejects Rem and makes up with Emilia.

The only difference was, Emilia was not directly involved with Subaru in trying to solve the conflicts after the 1st Arc. But that was a big part of their relationship thus far. Emilia is a flawed character (much like Subaru), and she has traumas, insecurities, and many issues. Lot of it due to suffering constant discrimination & prejudism and being hated/feared by everyone around her. And more due to her backstory/past. (you'll understand more on retrospective viewing after understanding more about her). She doesn't open up quickly and usually tries to avoid bringing Subaru into her affairs by trying to distance herself from him. Season 1 was pretty much Subaru overcoming this "barrier" or hurdle around Emilia and getting close to her. Now they'll be more directly involved together.

I meant development on Emilia herself: why didn't season 1 reveal her backstory? Give her more screentime? Show her personality in a more layered light? Why is it that, according to LN readers anyway, only in season 2 will Emilia be developed properly? There's a reason so many people find her boring, and instead find Rem much more interesting.

rakp333 said:
Again, Re:Zero is a pretty long story. The slow character growth and development of Emilia alongside Subaru is pretty endearing and makes me appreciate the show and their relationship more. Season 1 was the slowest as it was just the beginning of their relationship.

You can decide for yourself once Season 2 Part 2 ends if you want to classify this as a "harem".

I generally like slow stories.

Jul 17, 2020 8:08 AM

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Planting some seeds, tbh i need some answers this season, otherwise it's just gonna drag for me. Overall a very nice episode, can't wait to see what's Echidna's deal.

Jul 17, 2020 8:10 AM

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Man, this discussion is going all over the place.

> Generally like slow stories
> Complain why Emilia's development didn't come sooner.

> Anime must follow a hard and set rule about sticking to a type of aesthetic
> Downplay the whole nature of subjectivity attached to it.

> Re:zero panders to otakus
> Disregard Subaru's entry into the world in how he has no power-up moments and especially where he isn't given a free ticket to any girl's heart whenever he feels like it. As if Re:zero contained a heavy 'harem' like blend of ecchi fanservice and bathroom slip-up moments where Subaru touched Emilia's breasts and popped a boner with her going looking all red and steaming.

Also, what is with the whole black-and-white perception of "it panders to otakus"? It is silly. People who enjoy consuming a lot of anime and other Japanese works of art are called otakus. Every anime by definition considers otakus as a consumer base.

Please be clear with what you are trying to get at. Otherwise all of it is starting to sound rather troll-like.

KreatorXJul 17, 2020 9:23 AM

Jul 17, 2020 8:34 AM

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41gguy said:
Yo what the fuck was that episode? I read the LN a while ago and I loved how episode 1 captured the tone and urgency. Then this episode had some out of tone jokes and felt a little rushy, but seriously the FUCK was that ending????? He meets Echidna in epsiode 2??? You fuckin joking? The build up? The character development of Emilia in the wagon? Where'd it go? Did it get isekai'd into Isekai Quartet?? TELL ME WHATS GOING ON.

No you read the web novel, get used to being bamboozled by the Light Novel version. Orders of scenes, loops, and several other things were either changed altered or moved to other parts so before you get mad at anything just know the things you want will still be here just not the same way as before, im just saying it early because im sure at one point these threads will get swarmed with Web novel readers complaining about removed scenes that literally still happen.

North25Jul 17, 2020 8:39 AM

Jul 17, 2020 8:53 AM

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Frederica and Echidna are already best waifus lol. How many times did subaru die in the OP geez

Jul 17, 2020 9:08 AM

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North25 said:

41gguy said:
Yo what the fuck was that episode? I read the LN a while ago and I loved how episode 1 captured the tone and urgency. Then this episode had some out of tone jokes and felt a little rushy, but seriously the FUCK was that ending????? He meets Echidna in epsiode 2??? You fuckin joking? The build up? The character development of Emilia in the wagon? Where'd it go? Did it get isekai'd into Isekai Quartet?? TELL ME WHATS GOING ON.

No you read the web novel, get used to being bamboozled by the Light Novel version. Orders of scenes, loops, and several other things were either changed altered or moved to other parts so before you get mad at anything just know the things you want will still be here just not the same way as before, im just saying it early because im sure at one point these threads will get swarmed with Web novel readers complaining about removed scenes that literally still happen.

Is there like a functional difference between web novel and light novel? Like to be specific, Im guessing Light Novel means Japanese published (in Japanese) print, edited, and the Web Novel being posted to Nagatsuki-sensei's website, or in my case, translated on a different site for us English speakers.

So you're saying that events in the LN and rearranged in order from what appears in the web novels?

Jul 17, 2020 9:15 AM

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North25 said:

No you read the web novel, get used to being bamboozled by the Light Novel version. Orders of scenes, loops, and several other things were either changed altered or moved to other parts so before you get mad at anything just know the things you want will still be here just not the same way as before, im just saying it early because im sure at one point these threads will get swarmed with Web novel readers complaining about removed scenes that literally still happen.

This is actually good to hear. Coming from the WN's perspective, I look forward to the changes in the LN version. I was quite happy with the small changes in the LN version for Arcs 1 to 3 (which the anime adapted), in terms of characterization and the tightened up plot progression.

Jul 17, 2020 9:25 AM

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[quote=41gguy message=60237960]

North25 said:
Is there like a functional difference between web novel and light novel? Like to be specific, Im guessing Light Novel means Japanese published (in Japanese) print, edited, and the Web Novel being posted to Nagatsuki-sensei's website, or in my case, translated on a different site for us English speakers.

So you're saying that events in the LN and rearranged in order from what appears in the web novels?

Yes, that is indeed the difference between Re:Zero LN and WN. The LN is an edited version of WN (which is considered a draft by many) and adds/changes/removes scenes for a smoother story telling. The scenario itself is the exact same but there can be differences in how certain events happen.

Jul 17, 2020 9:27 AM

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41gguy said:
So you're saying that events in the LN and rearranged in order from what appears in the web novels?

Yes, some events happen in different order; few does not happen at all.

Jul 17, 2020 9:27 AM

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41gguy said:

Is there like a functional difference between web novel and light novel? Like to be specific, Im guessing Light Novel means Japanese published (in Japanese) print, edited, and the Web Novel being posted to Nagatsuki-sensei's website, or in my case, translated on a different site for us English speakers.

So you're saying that events in the LN and rearranged in order from what appears in the web novels?

Anime adapts the Light Novels. WN is just a free online draft and LN is the canon published material. The LN version is more compressed and polished compared to WN as the author decided to remove/modify/move some redundant, unnecessary/unimportant and bulky stuff from the WN.

Jul 17, 2020 9:42 AM

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rakp333 said:

41gguy said:

Is there like a functional difference between web novel and light novel? Like to be specific, Im guessing Light Novel means Japanese published (in Japanese) print, edited, and the Web Novel being posted to Nagatsuki-sensei's website, or in my case, translated on a different site for us English speakers.

So you're saying that events in the LN and rearranged in order from what appears in the web novels?

Anime adapts the Light Novels. WN is just a free online draft and LN is the canon published material. The LN version is more compressed and polished compared to WN as the author decided to remove/modify/move some redundant, unnecessary/unimportant and bulky stuff from the WN.

Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

Jul 17, 2020 10:04 AM

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rakp333 said:

41gguy said:

Is there like a functional difference between web novel and light novel? Like to be specific, Im guessing Light Novel means Japanese published (in Japanese) print, edited, and the Web Novel being posted to Nagatsuki-sensei's website, or in my case, translated on a different site for us English speakers.

So you're saying that events in the LN and rearranged in order from what appears in the web novels?

Anime adapts the Light Novels. WN is just a free online draft and LN is the canon published material. The LN version is more compressed and polished compared to WN as the author decided to remove/modify/move some redundant, unnecessary/unimportant and bulky stuff from the WN.

Interesting. By any chance, in the Light Novel, which I did not read, was Echidna introduced sometime during this wagon scene? I sort of just figured she was only introduced some time in after Subaru takes the trial.

Jul 17, 2020 10:18 AM

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41gguy said:
Interesting. By any chance, in the Light Novel, which I did not read, was Echidna introduced sometime during this wagon scene? I sort of just figured she was only introduced some time in after Subaru takes the trial.

It happened almost exactly as it was shown in the anime and it was the first time we've seen her (but not the first time she was mentioned).

Jul 17, 2020 10:19 AM

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Why didn't he ask about the Witch's powers?

There was no need to. And Beatrice doesn't know.

Why didn't he ask if the Witch has ever brought someone from another world?

He doesn't know if its the witch who brought him there.
And yes, Subaru is not the only person coming from another world. The anime has hinted many times that there have been other people who've come from Subaru's world, though the hints are difficult to spot for first time watcher. For ex:- Aldebaran (Priscilla's knight) casually chats about Japanese Kansai dialect with Subaru in Ep12 (he is from Subaru's world), availability of Burgers in a medieval town like Lugunica (yes!, see ep16), Japanese names inscribed on the giant Flugel tree. And many more.
Infact many more direct dialogues and similar stuff have been skipped in the anime (due to time constraints since these aren't important for the plot progression) where Subaru finds out that there have been many other people in past who have been summoned into this world, or at least the claimed so. Still, no-one actually believes them, and even if they believe nothing comes out of it.

In fact, why doesn't Subaru ever think of telling anyone he's from another world?

Nothing helpful comes out of it. Few people already know it. And people like Emilia, Roswaal, etc know he's not from their country atleast.

And besides, why are some people (such as yourself) so picky about these unnecessary things (why Subaru doesn't do this, that, etc etc)? Many of all this small chitter-chatter and question-answering happens in the novels but skipped in the anime because these are not important, there is no lead whatsoever, and would take up unnecessary time when there's already so many other important things to adapt.

She didn't have to just be a slum dweller.

Someone coming from the slums to become the ruler of the country is a big step. And there's a lot more to Felt, read the cut content I mentioned in the above answer about Felt. Besides, even if she were "just a slum dweller" I think its still fine. All characters need not have grand motivation and backstory.

I don't think season 1 really presented this as a flaw, though.

You'll have to analyse his conversations with Emilia in Ep4, when Emilia asks him why he only asked for her name and to become a servant in the mansion as a reward when he could have asked for anything. Subaru says that he doesn't plan that ahead or think much.

Will Subaru become a more active character in season 2 and onwards? Will the characters follow a more clear-cut goal onwards too?

Yup. And this season will also add more clarity (and connect dots between) events in Season1, giving a bigger picture to what is going on.

I meant this: Re: Zero fans praise this series for NOT pandering to otakus, yet Rem is precisely that: pandering material. It's wanting to eat your cake too.

Her existence gets completely erased when "otakus" would start getting attached to her. If it catered to otaku wish-fulfilment, Subaru would have hooked up with Rem in Ep18 and wouldn't have been running behind Emilia. Emilia is a lot more flawed character and not the typical heroine one would want. Most people don't like Emilia.

You said that Re: Zero is unique in that the MC confesses early on

I was only comparing it with harem shows. Most of them have dense MCs.

I meant development on Emilia herself: why didn't season 1 reveal her backstory? Give her more screentime? Show her personality in a more layered light? Why is it that, according to LN readers anyway, only in season 2 will Emilia be developed properly?

And we are following Subaru's perspective. This also goes along what I said above:-
Emilia is a flawed character (much like Subaru), and she has traumas, insecurities, and many issues. And she does not open up to others and tries to push away people. (these things are clear if you analyze her dialogues in Season 1). So it was hard to know more about her, for both, Subaru as well as the audience. And it fits the narrative rather well in the way it is done this season.

There's a reason so many people find her boring, and instead find Rem much more interesting.

I know. Emilia wasn't exactly supposed to likeable (unlike Rem as a "waifu") by the general crowd (similar to Subaru). If this were any other "otaku wish fulfilment show" Rem would've been the heroine and ended up with the MC. But what does re:zero do? Erase Rem. All this goes well with the themes of the show.
No, Emilia won't start simping for Subaru (even after her development in season 2) the way Rem did in season 1. Emilia is difficult to handle and not the typical heroine character. She is stubborn, flawed and will still have some insecurities. She gets into fights/disagreements and arguments with Subaru many times. People expecting Emilia to become like Rem after this season, i.e blindly "shower him with love and solve all his problems" will be disappointed.

I generally like slow stories.

Then I'll hope you find re:zero worthwhile.

rakp333Jul 17, 2020 10:58 AM

Jul 17, 2020 11:51 AM

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rakp333 said:

There was no need to. And Beatrice doesn't know.

Subaru could have asked people around about the Cult's powers, in the hopes of getting rid of the curse of RTBD.

rakp333 said:

He doesn't know if its the witch who brought him there.

Ah, that's right.

rakp333 said:
And yes, Subaru is not the only person coming from another world. The anime has hinted many times that there have been other people who've come from Subaru's world, though the hints are difficult to spot for first time watcher. For ex:- Aldebaran (Priscilla's knight) casually chats about Japanese Kansai dialect with Subaru in Ep12 (he is from Subaru's world), availability of Burgers in a medieval town like Lugunica (yes!, see ep16), Japanese names inscribed on the giant Flugel tree. And many more.

Interesting.

rakp333 said:
Infact many more direct dialogues and similar stuff have been skipped in the anime (due to time constraints since these aren't important for the plot progression) where Subaru finds out that there have been many other people in past who have been summoned into this world, or at least the claimed so. Still, no-one actually believes them, and even if they believe nothing comes out of it.

I think these are somewhat important details to establish why Subaru can't afford to be an active character.

rakp333 said:

Nothing helpful comes out of it. Few people already know it. And people like Emilia, Roswaal, etc know he's not from their country atleast.

If the other characters learn Subaru is from another world, maybe that could possibly lead them to connect the dots that he's related to the Witch, and thus help with his curse?

rakp333 said:
And besides, why are some people (such as yourself) so picky about these unnecessary things (why Subaru doesn't do this, that, etc etc)? Many of all this small chitter-chatter and question-answering happens in the novels but skipped in the anime because these are not important, there is no lead whatsoever, and would take up unnecessary time when there's already so many other important things to adapt.

Because without these details, there's no reason why Subaru is not more active (even though it's his flaw) in the sense that he's not more curious of the things around him: why don't we ever see him, by himself, questioning who gave him his power/curse? Why doesn't he ever ask any of the other characters if there's a power/curse that allows someone to go back in time after they die?

rakp333 said:

Someone coming from the slums to become the ruler of the country is a big step. And there's a lot more to Felt,

Yeah, it's a big step. But this is fiction. In season 1, the only purpose Felt served was to be a victim we're supposed to care about, despite not having any development. If she wasn't going to be developed in any capacity in season 1, why make arc 1 be about saving her too? Why have the main character care about her life, when us the audience have no reason to care aside from her being a cute girl?

rakp333 said:
read the cut content I mentioned in the above answer about Felt. Besides, even if she were "just a slum dweller" I think its still fine.

I do not want to spoil myself.

rakp333 said:
All characters need not have grand motivation and backstory.

I agree, but all characters in a story should serve some sort of purpose. In Felt's case, it sounds like she later serves a bigger purpose later on. In that case, the writer did not have to put her in season 1, if he wasn't going to utilize her there.

rakp333 said:
You'll have to analyse his conversations with Emilia in Ep4, when Emilia asks him why he only asked for her name and to become a servant in the mansion as a reward when he could have asked for anything. Subaru says that he doesn't plan that ahead or think much.

I don't think that makes Subaru a compelling protagonist, even if it's supposed to be his flaw.

rakp333 said:

Yup. And this season will also add more clarity (and connect dots between) events in Season1, giving a bigger picture to what is going on.

Awesome.

rakp333 said:

Her existence gets completely erased when "otakus" would start getting attached to her. If it catered to otaku wish-fulfilment, Subaru would have hooked up with Rem in Ep18 and wouldn't have been running behind Emilia. Emilia is a lot more flawed character and not the typical heroine one would want. Most people don't like Emilia.

Alright, I somewhat agree. But Re: Zero still had Rem simp over Subaru, which is exactly what those "pandering harem" anime do. Maybe Re: Zero didn't take a full slice of the cake, but it took a damn big one.

rakp333 said:

I was only comparing it with harem shows. Most of them have dense MCs.

Ah okay, my bad.

rakp333 said:

And we are following Subaru's perspective.

Re: Zero isn't entirely shown from Subaru's perspective: I recall several times it switches over to the other characters' perspectives, such as the conversation between Ram and Roswell in season 1, which you pointed out. What reason do I have to care about Emilia's life in season 1 outside of her being an nice cute girl? The writer could've had Subaru objectify Emilia, while still developing her.

rakp333 said:
This also goes along what I said above:-
Emilia is a flawed character (much like Subaru), and she has traumas, insecurities, and many issues. And she does not open up to others and tries to push away people. (these things are clear if you analyze her dialogues in Season 1).

That sounds interesting.

rakp333 said:
So it was hard to know more about her, for both, Subaru as well as the audience. And it fits the narrative rather well in the way it is done this season.

It's not hard at all: Re: Zero is a fictional story. The characters aren't acting on their own: everything is prewritten by a writer.

rakp333 said:

I know. Emilia wasn't exactly supposed to likeable (unlike Rem as a "waifu") by the general crowd (similar to Subaru).

If Emilia isn't supposed to be likeable, why is she so popular? Why does season 1 revolve so much around saving her life? What makes unlikeable characters work is that we're not supposed to care about whether they live or die.

rakp333 said:
If this were any other "otaku wish fulfilment show" Rem would've been the heroine and ended up with the MC. But what does re:zero do? Erase Rem. All this goes well with the themes of the show.

Again though: while Re: Zero didn't completely do what wish-fulfillment harem anime do, it took a small slice of that cake. It's like wanting to be like the popular kids in class, while still being "cool" by being unconventional: it's weird. What purpose was there for Rem to simp over Subaru, aside from marketing and figurine sales?

rakp333 said:
No, Emilia won't start simping for Subaru (even after her development in season 2) the way Rem did in season 1.

Awesome.

rakp333 said:
Emilia is difficult to handle and not the typical heroine character. She is stubborn, flawed and will still have some insecurities.

I don't think season 1 explored that much.

rakp333 said:
She gets into fights/disagreements and arguments with Subaru many times.

Because in season 1 Subaru was a complete idiot.

Jul 17, 2020 11:57 AM

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MonoReaper said:
Because of the ongoing discussion about "Identity of Re:Zero"

Subaru is not powerfull.
Subaru is punished for every mistake he makes.
Subaru is pretending to be someone he is not
Subaru is barely hanging onto sanity
At the end of the day Subaru has to cast all MC iskeai bullshit aside to safe everyone. He has to depend on everyone else regarding powers & fights. He himself can only lead people in the right direction but never is able overcome the problems on his own. Its always Emilia & Co who solves the problems while Subaru just pushes them in the right direction.

The phrase "Subaru is pretending to be someone he is not", makes me wonder if I can continue watching this anime, since in the entire series I only liked the story of Wilhelm, Beatrice and Puck, and that they have introduced many secondary characters good on their own, but they have been thrown away to have more scenes of Romance and Chat between Subaru and Emilia or other characters.

I don't really like how Subaru, Emilia and Rem develop, nor am I clear on their true intentions (dying many times for the first person who was kind to you, being a governor so that others change their treatment of you, or I love someone because they were sincere with me although in the end I will not be with him)

ldanesJul 17, 2020 12:09 PM

Humans may have two eyes, but we can only see one thing

Don't use the scores to see an anime

ええい！なんでもやってやる

Jul 17, 2020 12:00 PM

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