Kill la Kill Episode 21 Discussion

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helghastkillzone said:
Must be a new form of self-pleasure.

I don't think it's really that new - being an elitist hipster prick/troll has really taken off lately.

Regardless, if you want to learn more, you could probably ask TallonKarrde23 about it - then again, he's not the type to keep coming back to hate on something, so he's really not as bad as the others.

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Mar 10, 2014 9:59 PM

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pretty crazy episode. next week's is gonna be even better.

Mar 10, 2014 10:29 PM

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Was about to flip my desk if Mako had died there.

Mar 10, 2014 11:41 PM

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JerichoDeath said:

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dmr said:
Episode 22 extended preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU1BCmdBsp0

That whole preview is probably just one scene lol

0:23
Nighttime scene with Nonon and Uzu talking.

95% of that preview is probably just one scene lol

Mar 11, 2014 1:30 AM

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BRSxIgnition said:
you could probably ask TallonKarrde23

something something something not enough frames per second

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Mar 11, 2014 10:27 AM

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migohunter said:
something something something not enough frames per second

Something something something fanservice.

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Mar 11, 2014 10:34 PM

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Few things I didn't understand like
why Ryuuko kissed Nui ? or why Ryuuko killed Mako (in her mind?) that's some hardcore brainwash to make her do that in her mind..
Jesus fucking christ Ryuuko , first you said you never want to see Senketsu but now you want to wear Senketsu again ? Make up your mind woman ! Did I miss something ?? however I did enjoy Satsuki wearing Senketsu & fighting Ryuuko

Mar 12, 2014 8:32 AM

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AgentChico said:
Few things I didn't understand like
why Ryuuko kissed Nui ? or why Ryuuko killed Mako (in her mind?) that's some hardcore brainwash to make her do that in her mind..
Jesus fucking christ Ryuuko , first you said you never want to see Senketsu but now you want to wear Senketsu again ? Make up your mind woman ! Did I miss something ?? however I did enjoy Satsuki wearing Senketsu & fighting Ryuuko

Well, we can see on the first minutes the yuri moment, so maybe that kiss was just because she wanted to kiss someone...Or just because she wanted to shut up Nui, I don´t know...

And the Mako kill...Well, Ryuko was HAPPY on the dream, and she had the things that she couldn´t get on her real life, so maybe she wanted to stay on the dream and live a lie...And when she killed her best friend, she realized she lost her way.

And wanting to wear senketsu again...That´s easy: She realized who she was, she couldn´t change the fact that she´s one with the Life Fiber, so refuse his friend was stupid...But I´m sure next ep. will explain ths a lot better than me XD

Mar 12, 2014 9:24 AM

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AgentChico said:
Few things I didn't understand like
why Ryuuko kissed Nui ? or why Ryuuko killed Mako (in her mind?) that's some hardcore brainwash to make her do that in her mind..
Jesus fucking christ Ryuuko , first you said you never want to see Senketsu but now you want to wear Senketsu again ? Make up your mind woman ! Did I miss something ?? however I did enjoy Satsuki wearing Senketsu & fighting Ryuuko

You clearly missed something last episode, Junketsu altered Ryuuko memories, thus changing how she think and process things. So she kissed Nui.

Also Ryuuko did not killed Mako she just slashed Senketsu and its blood flooded Ryuuko mind.

You need to understand that Ryuuko is still teenager so she has her ups and downs.
And you missed the fact that she is in huge shock when she realize she is a life fibre (i.e. a monster). Therefore she rejected everything that is one, including herself and Senketsu.

Mar 12, 2014 9:37 AM

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To the three posts above...

As has been stated, Junketsu altered her memories, making Ryuuko believe that she grew up with Ragyou. This includes all the molestation, incest, and subjugation that would have entailed. In the state of mind she was in, she believed she was a part of this incestual family, and kissed her 'sister', Nui.

As for killing Mako, she honestly tried to - again, due to the brainwashing. She moved her arm and struck Mako before it was revealed that Senketsu had protected her. The shock of the fact that she had just attacked - and tired to murder- her one and only real friend was too much, and stunned her out of Junketsu's control for long enough for her to tear him to pieces.

"Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own."

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Mar 12, 2014 11:24 AM

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I find it cool to read all the posts about what Junketsu did to Ryoko and why it made her kiss Nui.

In my opinion, Junketsu did give false memories, but what actually made Ryuko kiss Nui is the pleasure of wearing Junketsu (or more broadly, by being synchronized with a life fiber garment). I understood that being worn by life fibers means that the body is overstimulated with pleasure. And so what are some basic things that give (most) animals pleasure? Being with a mother, sex, having power and just experiencing some form of closeness with others.

I imagined that wearing Junketsu is to experience emotional ecstasy.

So I think Ryuko was just overwhelmed by her emotions and gave in to it by kissing Nui.

u kno, just passing on the good vibez
And also yeahhhh Rei Hoomaru is back :3 Can't wait to see Hoomaru do something. even if it's just stand or bow next to Ragyo.

Mar 12, 2014 11:24 AM

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I had originally thought that Ragyou was changing her memories, but she remembers wearing Senketsu just fine. I think I think they might have just shown her what her life would have been like if she had been raised by her mother. Next episode may elaborate on what was going through her mind.

Mar 12, 2014 11:47 AM

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To everyone speculating about the Nui kiss, the best answer for that came from a blog I think One Pixel Jump or some other.

Basically, Ryuuko was being hedonistic i.e. seeking nothing but pleasure hence her words after "Something to feel good about."

She was talking to herself basically when she said that. The guy who suggested this reasoned that until the thing with Junketsu, Ryuuko had been going through a lot of mental anguish and that being worn by life fibers is pleasurable (hence Kuroido Takiji's reaction to being absorbed by the fibers later on).

Basically, after feeling so much pain, Ryuuko was looking for nothing but pleasure while under the influence of Junketsu.

Her memories weren't completely altered. She knew who Mako was after all. False memories were simply planted alongside the ones she already had (false memories relating to the relationship she had with her mother).

The way she pushes Nui's face away after the kiss and the fact that she kisses Nui right after being taunted about her father's death makes this the most plausible reason to me.

It makes perfect sense if you look at it this way:

it's basically like someone losing their job and then going out drinking to drown the pain.

She was on a quest for temporary pleasure (as opposed to doing something like facing reality, which happens when she almost kills Mako in her imagination).

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Mar 12, 2014 11:56 AM

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I really don't know how these last two episodes will play out.. I hope this pacing situation works out because IMO they focused on the main plot very late and while the first half was good(1/2/3/5/7/11/13/15) they should've focused on the main plot from the beginning.. There's still a lot left to be done and two episodes will feel rushed

Mar 12, 2014 12:03 PM

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Titanz25 said:
I really don't know how these last two episodes will play out.. I hope this pacing situation works out because IMO they focused on the main plot very late and while the first half was good(1/2/3/5/7/11/13/15) they should've focused on the main plot from the beginning.. There's still a lot left to be done and two episodes will feel rushed

As long as I get to see Satsuki share a meal with Ryuuko, Ryuuko or Satsuki bring up Satsuki's protectiveness of Ryuuko pre-"we're-sisters-now!"-arc and as long as the creator doesn't kill off Ryuuko or Satsuki I couldn't careless what happens.

Seems they've dropped the Kinue deal as well as that bullet that apparently destroys life fibers among other seeming dead ends.

And in my opinion climaxes aren't the writer's strong point (I was bored to tears by Gurren Lagann's one so much so I skipped it).

Mar 12, 2014 12:09 PM

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Titanz25 said:
I really don't know how these last two episodes will play out.. I hope this pacing situation works out because IMO they focused on the main plot very late and while the first half was good(1/2/3/5/7/11/13/15) they should've focused on the main plot from the beginning.. There's still a lot left to be done and two episodes will feel rushed

I know I've stated otherwise until now but...

I feel as if there will be a second season, or continuation of some kind.

They have 3 episodes left, with this one being about them re-grouping and Ryuuko finally talking to Satsuki as a sister... That leaves 2 episodes for a conclusion from there.

2 Episodes for a conclusion on everything? It just doesn't seem plausible. The OLF seems to be going to space with Ragyou on board, Satsuki, Ryuuko, and the other protags are all in the middle of the Tokyo Bay..

How will they end this all? It's anyone's guess right now.

I wouldn't mind 6 - 12 episodes to cap off after this first season is done, personally.

"Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own."

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Mar 12, 2014 12:20 PM

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Titanz25 said:
I really don't know how these last two episodes will play out.. I hope this pacing situation works out because IMO they focused on the main plot very late and while the first half was good(1/2/3/5/7/11/13/15) they should've focused on the main plot from the beginning.. There's still a lot left to be done and two episodes will feel rushed

I know I've stated otherwise until now but...

I feel as if there will be a second season, or continuation of some kind.

They have 3 episodes left, with this one being about them re-grouping and Ryuuko finally talking to Satsuki as a sister... That leaves 2 episodes for a conclusion from there.

2 Episodes for a conclusion on everything? It just doesn't seem plausible. The OLF seems to be going to space with Ragyou on board, Satsuki, Ryuuko, and the other protags are all in the middle of the Tokyo Bay..

How will they end this all? It's anyone's guess right now.

I wouldn't mind 6 - 12 episodes to cap off after this first season is done, personally.

This suggestion...is by far the scariest thing I've read throughout my time on MAL.

I mean, to come this far only to not end? And then a continuation we'll probably have to wait a year or two to see?

SCARY ass suggestion right here, BRSx.

I wouldn't even watch the second season is how much disgust I'd feel if the ending was inconclusive.

Thankfully, though, that probably won't be happening.

Mar 12, 2014 12:28 PM

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This suggestion...is by far the scariest thing I've read throughout my time on MAL.

I mean, to come this far only to not end? And then a continuation we'll probably have to wait a year or two to see?

SCARY ass suggestion right here, BRSx.

I wouldn't even watch the second season is how much disgust I'd feel if the ending was inconclusive.

Depending on how well its pulled off, it could be more satisfying than trying to jam too much into the final two episodes.

We're expecting:

A fight with Ragyou.

Destruction of the OLF.

Closure between Satsuki & Ryuuko.

Closure for the rest of the cast.

SOMETHING to happen regarding Nui. (She's too random to predict)

To learn where the OLF comes from, and why it's using humans, and for what.

And more.

Just seems like a lot to do. Here's hoping they can do it.

"Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own."

- Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To

Mar 12, 2014 1:13 PM

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BRSxIgnition said:

ollythirteen said:

This suggestion...is by far the scariest thing I've read throughout my time on MAL.

I mean, to come this far only to not end? And then a continuation we'll probably have to wait a year or two to see?

SCARY ass suggestion right here, BRSx.

I wouldn't even watch the second season is how much disgust I'd feel if the ending was inconclusive.

Depending on how well its pulled off, it could be more satisfying than trying to jam too much into the final two episodes.

We're expecting:

A fight with Ragyou.

Destruction of the OLF.

Closure between Satsuki & Ryuuko.

Closure for the rest of the cast.

SOMETHING to happen regarding Nui. (She's too random to predict)

To learn where the OLF comes from, and why it's using humans, and for what.

And more.

Just seems like a lot to do. Here's hoping they can do it.

True. Here's hoping.

Mar 12, 2014 1:24 PM

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BRSxIgnition said:

ollythirteen said:

This suggestion...is by far the scariest thing I've read throughout my time on MAL.

I mean, to come this far only to not end? And then a continuation we'll probably have to wait a year or two to see?

SCARY ass suggestion right here, BRSx.

I wouldn't even watch the second season is how much disgust I'd feel if the ending was inconclusive.

Depending on how well its pulled off, it could be more satisfying than trying to jam too much into the final two episodes.

We're expecting:

A fight with Ragyou.

Destruction of the OLF.

Closure between Satsuki & Ryuuko.

Closure for the rest of the cast.

SOMETHING to happen regarding Nui. (She's too random to predict)

To learn where the OLF comes from, and why it's using humans, and for what.

And more.

Just seems like a lot to do. Here's hoping they can do it.

I thought that only having three episodes left seems a little too short to resolve everything. But yeah, here's to hoping that Trigger can pull it off without a sequel.

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Mar 12, 2014 2:07 PM

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I always figured the kiss with Nui was a throwback to what Nui said earlier: "Love and hate are two sides of the same coin! The more you hate someone, the more you can love them in turn."

It showed how messed up and flipped around Ryuko's emotions had become.

Mar 12, 2014 6:54 PM

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FUUUUUUUUU This episode is a masterpice!

I was on my nerves EVERY SECOND

Mar 13, 2014 1:43 PM

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That fucking dyke kiss at the beginning destroyed every bit of enthusiasm I had for this series.

Why, Trigger. Why. Fucking dykeshit ruins everything.

Mar 13, 2014 2:28 PM

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That fucking dyke kiss at the beginning destroyed every bit of enthusiasm I had for this series.

Why, Trigger. Why. Fucking dykeshit ruins everything.

That post is so full of love and tolerance.

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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.

Mar 13, 2014 2:39 PM

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You're just mad because I pointed out the completely gratuitous dykeshit in the beginning.

I turned off the episode in disgust when Ryuuko kissed Nui, god it makes me sick just thinking about it.

Mar 13, 2014 3:06 PM

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Frostav said:
You're just mad because I pointed out the completely gratuitous dykeshit in the beginning.

I turned off the episode in disgust when Ryuuko kissed Nui, god it makes me sick just thinking about it.

But you were somehow fine with the incestuous-lesbian-child-molesting-borderline-threesome intro ?
LOL

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Kellhus said:

GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.

Mar 13, 2014 3:07 PM

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That was okay because it was portrayed as wrong. It was meant to show how awful and creepy Nui and Ragyou were.

Mar 13, 2014 3:12 PM

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That was okay because it was portrayed as wrong. It was meant to show how awful and creepy Nui and Ragyou were.

But what is so inherently disgusting or inconceivable in Ryuuko kissing Nui when they were litteraly laying together naked just a while ago ?
Ryuuko was brainwashed after all.

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Kellhus said:

GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.

Mar 13, 2014 3:15 PM

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Because I can't stand the sight of two women kissing, I'm a bi dude leaning towards gay, fucking sue me.

Mar 13, 2014 3:21 PM

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Because I can't stand the sight of two women kissing, I'm a bi dude leaning towards gay, fucking sue me.

Hey, to each their own.
It's okay if that kind of scene bothers you, but don't let just one scene ruin your enjoyment of the entire show, especially if it's not that far-fetched to begin with.

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Kellhus said:

GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.

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