| Me too. Arriety is the only movie that I really like it. Chihiro, Totoro, marnie are really boring IMO. My niece really loves Totoro, but she is 5 years old but even she finds Chihiro boring. |
| kind of weird to dismiss an entire studio's work when the style varies drastically.. especially when you admit to liking fireflies idk, feels like someone saying they dislike pies in general when there's everything from sweets to meats it's certainly possible, but i'd be skeptical of the statement |
ScootTheBurbs said: EndlessMaria said: Ghibli and Hayao Miyazaki are trash. Same with Akira. Just overblown animation experiences with shallow content. I kind of think the same thing. While Ghibli films and Akira may be shallow, depending on how you define the word in this context, I don't think they are trash either. They are just not for me and does not meet my expectations in a story but I don't think I wasted my time watching them. Yeah, calling them trash was a bit harsh, but heck, the word "trash" gets thrown around here so much that it hardly means anything. I could have said they were "overrated", but people on here don't like that term either lol. |
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| I hate them because I fundametally disagree with miyazaki's messages. war bad, technology bad, men bad, trees good. the movies are kinda boring honestly even with all the animation. I did like whisper of the heart and laputa best out of all their works. they tried to tell me stories instead of selling me their political opinions. |
| 馬鹿げた倫理 全部ガラクタで |
| I agree. I think ghibli is trash aside from the WW2 movie. |
| not a hardcore fan, but i can see why people like Ghibli films, they definitely are unique. |
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NamikazeHime said: Nope. It's the same with me. I have this bad feeling that many people here think that kissing Miyazaki's butt will make them look more sophisticated. lmao no way, or at least I hope ppl aren't that delusional. I thought Ghibli movies are always that straightforward and simplistic in both narrative and themes kind of movies? Maybe it's just me but at least I liked them because of that. What sophistication? The "ouh nature be revenging" theme in Mononoke Hime or some shit? |
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Preachee said: NamikazeHime said: Nope. It's the same with me. I have this bad feeling that many people here think that kissing Miyazaki's butt will make them look more sophisticated. lmao no way, or at least I hope ppl aren't that delusional. I thought Ghibli movies are always that straightforward and simplistic in both narrative and themes kind of movies? Maybe it's just me but at least I liked them because of that. What sophistication? The "ouh nature be revenging" theme in Mononoke Hime or some shit? Nah, it's not that. Many times I saw people here spaming this kind of answers on similar threads: 'It's Miyazaki's movie, of course it's good.' 'It's a Gihbli movie, period.' 'But he will never be as good as Miyazaki. ' 'You all don't understand how deep every Miyazaki's film is. ' 'This XY movie is good but you mongrels will never realized that every Miyazaki's movie stumbles this one.' Then you ask them to elaborate their claims and the best answer you'll get is 'It's Miyazaki/it's Ghibli.' Yeah, like that will make a movie better or worse. |
NamikazeHime said: Preachee said: lmao no way, or at least I hope ppl aren't that delusional. I thought Ghibli movies are always that straightforward and simplistic in both narrative and themes kind of movies? Maybe it's just me but at least I liked them because of that. What sophistication? The "ouh nature be revenging" theme in Mononoke Hime or some shit? Nah, it's not that. Many times I saw people here spaming this kind of answers on similar threads: 'It's Miyazaki's movie, of course it's good.' 'It's a Gihbli movie, period.' 'But he will never be as good as Miyazaki. ' 'You all don't understand how deep every Miyazaki's film is. ' 'This XY movie is good but you mongrels will never realized that every Miyazaki's movie stumbles this one.' Then you ask them to elaborate their claims and the best answer you'll get is 'It's Miyazaki/it's Ghibli.' Yeah, like that will make a movie better or worse. Shit I'm around here long enough but am fortunate to never come across these people apparently. But I do know that there's this elitist circlejerk around Ghibli's movies, which is weird considering how most of their movies are either for children or just very simplistic. |
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Preachee said: NamikazeHime said: Nah, it's not that. Many times I saw people here spaming this kind of answers on similar threads: 'It's Miyazaki's movie, of course it's good.' 'It's a Gihbli movie, period.' 'But he will never be as good as Miyazaki. ' 'You all don't understand how deep every Miyazaki's film is. ' 'This XY movie is good but you mongrels will never realized that every Miyazaki's movie stumbles this one.' Then you ask them to elaborate their claims and the best answer you'll get is 'It's Miyazaki/it's Ghibli.' Yeah, like that will make a movie better or worse. Shit I'm around here long enough but am fortunate to never come across these people apparently. But I do know that there's this elitist circlejerk around Ghibli's movies, which is weird considering how most of their movies are either for children or just very simplistic. I was really active on forum games for one or two months and the amount of people who spammed my comments/pms because of my Neko no Onegaishi and Spirited Away ratings was pretty high. |
| I can accept Ghibli's films contained a lot of hidden positive messages about real life happenings and understandings; however, I still can't see the frank understanding of negativity. Of course, most kids need a positive approach to get through trials of negativity when they reached puberty. And what I find lacking about Ghibli is the aesthetic explanation of negativity around the world... or at least, Mononoke Hime can be considered as that. |
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| It's always the haters of Ghibli films that are most vocal :/ |
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| [quote=jal90 message=60438795] Fafette said: jal90 said: Chihiro cries because everything that happened to her was heavy and emotionally draining and when she could finally get some rest and piece things together this reaction appears. Whatever discourse you are making about human complexity is irrelevant, the scene is a little breather from the action and it's a moment the character takes to let everything go down. I know that. I'm just talking about how people are trying to say that scenes like that are there to provide characterization when just like you said, it's there to show that everything she's been through has been emotionally draining. This isn't what characterization is about. I am the first one to say that a character having a wide range of emotion is a sign of great writing, but that's only if there is something outside of that. For exemple, a character crying over something everyone else is indifferent towards is a kind of characterization. The character is more sensitive than others, or the character has a particular life history with this thing, or I don't know what else. But a character crying over something anyone else would've cried to, if there is nothing else behind it, isn't characterization. It shows the character is a human being which is good, don't get me wrong, too many shows forget to do that so it's very good for Ghibli to establish that, but it's not enough if you want to create real characters. That's what I've been trying to say when saying that humans aren't simple. I don't want a character like Chihiro to be extremely complex, I just want her to be more than just a kid in an emotionally draining situation. Who is she as a person ? What makes her unique ? That's what I'm failing to see. We can argue she receives development but it's pretty hard to praise when she hasn't been given a definite personality to begin with. I don't think I agree with your statements on characterization. Chihiro is not a character that should feel unique but relatable, her life story, her family, her feelings and her immaturity are all mundane. Sorry, I think I worded it wrongly (it happens often with me). I totally agree with you on the fact that Chihiro shouldn't necessarily feel "unique" but mostly relatable. However a character can be relatable while having a real personality, not necessarily a strong, unique one, but simply something that tells me this character is this character and no one else for a reason. But too be fair I'm being pretty subjective here as I have a hard time feeling involved in a story if I don't develop an attachment towards the characters, and for me to develop an attachment, those characters have to be more than just "relatable". But that's just the way I see it. Characterization is not there to provide uniqueness, but to provide context and in this case the conflict. Characterization is there to provide context ? Unless I've minsunderstood what you meant, I can't agree. I'll try to explain my point of view :my vision of a good character is a character that feels human. And for this character to feel human, it has to be a whole. What I mean is that a human being is someone with a life history, a certain psychology, tastes, etc. You've apparently seen Akage no Anne, well, for me Anne is a very good exemple of characterization. Take for exemple the scene in episode 2 when she cries over realizing Marilla doesn't want her to stay. She breaks in tears, which is totally normal, but there's more to that. She also cries because, as we learn afterwards, she's never find a real place, no one has ever really expressed the will to keep her around and it impacted her. After finding out about that, Anne crying in episode 2 has a whole new meaning. But even without that, we can see that she reacts much more dramatically than others would and that is an important part of her character, a part of her we've been introduced to in the very first episode and a part of her that received an explanation based on her life history and her own view of the world. Consequently, she feels like a real person. Actually, she received so much characterization that despite only being at episode 20, I feel like I've known her forever. In comparison, Chihiro falls a bit flat in my opinion. And even if we consider that Anne is too much of a particular character to be compared to Chihiro, let's take Diana. A normal kid, and yet, I can tell that this character is Diana and not just a random girl because she has her own character traits. She plays along with Anne's fantasies, she is silly despite her calm demeanour, she is even a bit rebellious... She's Diana. Also, I can think of plenty of characters that are relatable. A lot of my favorites are characters I relate to in some way. But they have a personality outside of that, and it doesn't make them any less relatable, far from it. I just think a character can be relatable without being a self-insert. The most blatant theme it has is about growing up and Chihiro grows up by essentially moderating her impulsive, nervous and capricious personality. I think one of the actual biggest establishing character moments happens when she is walking with her parents to the temple. Complaining every time, dragging, unable to keep her pace, just like a kid who can only think of herself and wants things done her way. When she first meets Yubaba she is intrusive and Yubaba shuts her up despite she is working. This scene with her walking with her parents towards the temple is actually the scene I was thinking about when saying how despite what we're supposed to believe, she just has the most normal reaction one would have to such a situation. Her parents, who have been established as pretty irresponsible (I mean, the movie starts with the father risking a car accident), decide to go to a random temple in the woods. The place isn't welcoming, it seems abandoned, scary, dangerous. A child like Chihiro will obviously be afraid and will want to go home instead of wandering in some abandoned place. She complains because she is scared, she doesn't know where she is and she doesn't even know if they are allowed to enter this place. And as if that wasn't enough, her parents decide to eat food that happened to be there. If the place is abandoned, the food might be spoiled, and if it's not, then that means this food belongs to someone. And it's not as if the parents just wanted to taste a little bit, they literally ate the entirety of the food. Chihiro's reaction was completely fair, her parents are seriously dumb. When watching this scene, what I thought wasn't that Chihiro is an immature brat, but that she is the only responsible one in her family. And even when rethinking about this scene, my view of it doesn't change. Chihiro becomes less nervous and selfish and more composed and mature through the movie. It's on the way she manages to successfully solve a crisis (the river god), on how her decisions become increasingly better, she becomes more confident at her work, and she finally knows how to solve the riddle. It's also on the gestures: she moves less, she acts more calmed and she can solve things step by step. This is what the movie defines as becoming mature. Yes, I agree with you on that. As I said, my biggest issue with her character isn't her development in itself but what comes before it. And take for exemple the MAL synopsis. It is describing Chihiro as stubborn and spoiled. It would've been interesting if she really was like that and grew into a better human being. But the thing is that nothing in the movie established those sides of her. We can argue she has a pretty bad temper that has been shown since the beginning but that doesn't make her stubborn nor spoiled given the situation she's in and the irresponsible parents she has. She just has totally normal reactions... A bit too normal. That's what I'm trying to say. (I'm not saying Chihiro reacting "normally" to this situation is a bad thing though, absolutely not.) I agree that her reactions are normal, and normal in the sort of way any 10-year-old girl would act. Perhaps it could have been more blatant but I don't think that was the point because it's rather "Chihiro is stubborn and spoiled like any girl her age". It's just that there is nothing in her personality that makes you say "wow, this girl is specially stubborn and spoiled for her age and her situation". Allowing these kinds of breathing moments is definitely more common in anime and perhaps Japanese narrative, and this scene is just a very good example of that in my opinion. Also, people often cry when they are stressed out or release emotions, this is not about human simplicity or complexity. Whoever tried to move the discussion around this scene in this direction was probably trying to convince you badly that the scene is deep and missing the more eloquent point in the process. Oh sorry, I didn't read that before answering to the first part. Well yeah, I get what you say, and actually I don't generally mind breathing moments like that. But my issue with Ghibli movies is the fact that they are full of breathing moments, sometimes there are almost as many moments like that as more action-packed ones. But instead of using them for actual character development, they just use that to show us the character has emotions and is a human being. At first it is great, at times it feels a little bit like a waste when I think about how long a movie has been and how little I know the characters by the end of this long movie. But I totally understand how can people appreciate that. The biggest reason why I made this post was to point out how people, depending on what they're looking for, can actually dislike Ghibli movies for valuable reasons, and not simply because they have bad tastes, like I've seen plenty of people saying. Also, actually I saw someone describing this scene like that in a youtube comment, and a considerable amount of people agreed with it as if it was an actual fact. It kinda confused me, to say the least. (And I used that scene as an exemple because I've seen this comment quite recently, but actually I've seen many other people saying the same thing about similar Ghibli scenes, which led me to think the majority of Ghibli fans were using that as an argument.) Sorry about my last paragraph, I was a bit driven the wrong way by the tone of your comment for some reason and you clearly didn't mean that. I am not intending to describe Chihiro's development as the very best in the medium. Like, I can understand that it falls short and suffers due to the allegorical nature and the lack of emphasis to many attitudes of Chihiro that the movie sets as defining of her immaturity and further character growth. But I think it's solid and it's nicely done in the details (the gestures in special), and I personally am very into the kind of narrative Miyazaki likes. He is literally obsessed with naturalism in every detail and my liking towards observant focuses on reality is totally my jam and I find it very respectable as an artistic approach. Then I agree with you. And actually, Chihiro isn't the character I have the most complaints towards, she is even one of my favorite Ghibli characters and I rated Spirited Away a 7 which is a good score in my book. It's just that the majority of Ghibli's main characters just feel like the same character put in a different situation at a different age which is a bit disturbing for me. I don't consider Chihiro a bad character, not at all, my complaints were more driven towards people using everything she does as a sign of great character development. I can totally see how can people love those movies, I respect that, I don't even dislike any of these movies (my worst score given to a Ghibli is a 6 while my best one is a 8). As I said my point wasn't really to try to convince people of the flaws in the writing, but more to explain how people disliking those movies aren't dumb nor have trash taste since everyone is looking for something different in a movie/show. Those movies definitely have their qualities, I don't doubt that ! (I think I messed up with the quotes, sorry about that) |
FafetteAug 10, 2020 9:38 AM
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| I only like Mononoke Hime & Kaze Tachinu |
810Teams said: Same here, I only enjoyed and loved Spirited Away which I gave it a score of 9. After that, I tried My Neighbor Totoro and Howl's Moving Castle but I disliked both. My Neighbor Totoro is simply boring and Howl's Moving Castle is a mess. I scored both of these lower than 4. Honestly, I don't care which studios make which show, I score them solely based on my overall satisfaction. You should watch Castle in the Sky. It’s not boring and it’s not a mess. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| I've loved all of the Ghibli films I've seen. You're not the only one, but it's a small minority (and there's nothing wrong with that). |
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| I have only seen spirited away and haven't yet considered watching any other film made by studio ghibli because they look more like cartoons ngl. You can say anime is just japanese cartoons but they have this particular art style I like but ghibli films remind me of ordinary american cartoons but with japanese looking characters lol. Didn't say they looked completely like cartoons. |
| Why do people who dislike Ghibli movies think they're so goddamn special? It's become this thing people say to differentiate themselves from ''normal'' people. But you literally just didn't enjoy some movies. This is indeed behaviour only the most special of human beings can exhibit. |
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| HOW DARE YOU?!?!?! But no, Ghibli movies may not speak to people who are looking for a more grounded (literally), or darker storytelling. I never watched Ghibli when I was young, so when I got around to watch them, I found them to be pretty boring. |
| So far watched 3 ghibli films and I didnt find them that special. might try a 2 or 3 more to have a better perspective on ghibli films, but my expectations arent that high anymore. |
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| It's not that I don't like them but I don't like the feeling when I finish them. Like Ghibli films are beautiful and I loved The Wind Rises but Ghibli films make me feel so depressed like it's not even funny. But most of the Ghibli films I watched besides The Wind Rises and Whisper of the Heart were average and overrated to me |
| It’s understandable, but they’re kind of like classic disney movies (not a Disney fan but I’m talking like the stuff from the 30’s-60’s, just really harmless cute musicals) to me. Not the greatest thing to have ever been made, but it’s just nice and pleasant and kind of a relief. You don’t have to think hard, you can just sit back and enjoy the animation and music. Except grave of the fireflies, while I absolutely adore that movie...it’s far from pleasant |
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| I haven't even seen one tbh, I am considering watching grave of the fireflies tho. I think I watched ponyo or something when I was 8? looking at the covers and descriptions they really don't seem like the anime I know, more like disney classics. after all im an edgy 20 year old who tends towards the more degenerate side. maybe I am making a mistake? |
Wolfgang3 said: same as you, because i don't like old anime, altough the story is goodWhy people love this studio I don’t get it Especially Hayao Miyazaki films. I loved grave of the fireflies unlike other films |
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| honestly i don't know how you watch this kind of films. i think they're great children's movies, don't expect god tier writing here. ghibli's movies are simple and fun, and animation is always beautiful so that's a plus. i do see how i could be too nice with them since i grew up watching them. |
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| While Miyazaki is indeed talented person or least what i've seen from this side, Ghibli movie i "like" is (only) Hotaru no Haka, while Laputa, Howl no ugoku shiro, Mononoke hime is fine to me. PTW: Spirited away, and Kaguya-hime monogatari, and Majo no takkyuubin I might be rude to Miyazaki, but tbh, it just me but watching Ghibli is like watching Japanese versions of (old)Disney It's fairy-tale-ish vibe kinda similar i'd say, and i am not fond of or into disney stuff. maybe that's why people like/enjoyed watching ghibli, nostalgia takes much roles on their end, and maybe that's why i couldn't fully like them. that's being said, i don't hate nor like ghibli movies in general |
shirohaAug 11, 2020 5:52 AM
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petran79 said: Childhood movies only for Japanese viewers. Any pre-Spirited Away film except Warriors of the Wind was unknown outside Japan in the 80s and 90s. Unlike old Disney movies, that were far better known,shown on TV and promoted. That’s not true. Kiki’s Delivery Service received a sizable marketing push in the 90s. I even saw more TV ads for it than I did Spirited Away. |
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| I think I like it so much because those movies used to be some of the best things in my traumatic childhood. I'd love to sneak my laptop to my room at night when everyone is asleep and watch the movies that almost seemed fairy-like and like an ideal world to live in. |
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| Reminds me of the time I and a couple of friends introduced some other people about some Ghibli Films (Spirited Away, My Neighbour Totoro, Princess Mononoke, the likes). However, from the film, other than people who were nostalgic about the impact of the films on their childhood, most people who did end up watching it for the first time said that they were rather bland and boring. Many of them didn't connect with the sense of childhood innocence within the films, but rather saw them as disjointed sequences of childish events. I too found much of the film's endings to be rather rushed, and at times unsatisfying. At the end of the day, however, I still enjoy Ghibli films, but experiences like these really aid in understanding some of the alternate POVs on the movies. |
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| I don't dislike them, but they're definitely overrated. After I've watched Sen to Chihiro, I've rushed to some reviews that claim the show to be a masterpiece, and honestly, either their standard of being a 10/10 is just incredibely low ("hey, all it has is good animation and creative world? Masterpiece!") or they just praise because they want to be considered good critics by the majority of people. With that being said, Mononoke Hime was above average because it at least had a more interesting story and a good amount of tension, but even that is a 8/10 at most |
BetterTasteAug 11, 2020 9:41 AM
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| @petran79 That’s true, but you originally said Ghibli’s older movies were unknown outside Japan. Even if they were advertised as Disney movies, people really did watch them. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| Personally I like the studio, but I will say a lot of people seem to be overly obsessed. (like every movie is a masterpiece to them) and probably wouldn't dare criticise. Honestly this thread is refreshing to see |
| I like a few of them but as others say, it's overrated and obsessed. i think some of it has to do with nostalgic feelings of a simpler and better time :'( |
| pom poko and earthsea are hot garbagio dogshit |
| They're pretty good, but I think I've only ever given one of them a rating higher than 8/10 so far. |
| I like Spirited Away and Totoro, but I may be biased because I saw them as kids. So far the others I've watched don't have a conclusion that I like and they just seem to drag on for so long. |
| I wasn't really a fan of Ghibli Films at first, but I started to enjoy them after My Neighbor Totoro and Spirited Away. |
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