Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu 2nd Season Episode 1 Discussion

Jul 9, 2020 11:34 PM

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Rezero is back finally
It's best part is music and the music in this ep is top notch. Now I'm waiting for it's op and Ed next ep(hopefully).

Jul 9, 2020 11:47 PM

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Ah damn, thanks for not killing crusch, tho i think subaru really needs a training arc, he always complaining that he can't do anything but no proper training arc yet.

Damn awesome episode.

Jul 9, 2020 11:52 PM

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Wasn't Crusch's arm cut off? How did she had it attached? Was it Subaru's re: that changed it? [/quote]

Felis OP healing powers probably, remember when he tanked the bombs on the carriage at season 1? With no damage at all but losing all clothes.

Jul 9, 2020 11:52 PM

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TheDeedsOfMen said:
These random new archbishops showed up out of nowhere without any prior appearances or foreshadowing. And their lines were generic and only there to establish that they are indeed the bad guys. It shows again why these Witch Cult archbishops don't work as villains.

Except they were foreshadowed all way back in season 1.

Petelgeuse or the story never claimed he was the only one.

That only reveals that other archbishops exist, not anything about the two new ones specifically. And now they are suddenly important villains. There is no reason why the author could not have had them appear in a less dramatic role before and then build up to this moment.

Also complaining characters being antagonistic is silly,

It is not about them being antagonistic, it is about them delivering generic lines (like typical villain speeches) and lacking any interesting motives. Not every antagonist has to be an extreme slapstick character or over-the-top evil.

There were also a few parts of dialogue that present exposition even though a person wouldn't normally say so under the circumstances. It felt a bit off. For instance, I know whom you love, Rem. Why are you bothering to say it to a random villain that showed up?

Because its not for them but for Rem steel herself for the fight despite tired earlier battle against the White Whale. Its also why its not exposition.

There is no reason to say it out loud. In fact, saying so only reveals more information to the villains, both their relationship and that Subaru may later appear as a reinforcement. (They probably know already, but she can't be sure about whether they do.) Judging by the wording and the context, it sounded as though it is meant to remind the audience.

Beyond its common in fights for warriors introduce themselves and station if simply. Reinhard & Elsa did to each otehr back in S1

It was also terrible for Reinhard and Elsa. In a life-threatening combat situation against obvious and dangerous antagonists, what kind of a person stands around adhering to some warrior's code to deliver an introductory speech? It is not like they are seriously negotiating; what is the point? By standing around and talking, you actually lose the element of surprise compared to attacking right away.

Also, now that Subaru has reformed himself to some extent, he is very close to a normal hero, which removes some of the initial selling point of the series. It is difficult to present this show as a criticism of escapism when the protagonist has become more of a normal hero. His escapism actually worked!

This literally makes no sense. There no such thing as normal hero to being with and this thin veiled excuse disparage Subaru's character development to fish more bogus criticism. Had he not developed you would turn around bash the show having him be static character with no growth which would be objectively bad anyway.

By "normal hero," I mean a character who defeats generic evil villains to rescue his love interests or possibly save the world or the local kingdom. There is any number of directions to develop the story; it didn't have to take the path that it did. This kingdom even looks like it may have more interesting problems (social problems, maybe), but Subaru doesn't deal with those, does he? Or what if he was more substantially betrayed by some of the seemingly good characters, for example? Instead, he has to spend his time fighting against these obviously-evil cultists.

but judging by how bad faith your post is

2/5 for this episode, but I will wait for more developments anyway. I'll pick up the pace on reading the LN as well. Let's see if it actually gets better.

Given what you said I wouldn't bother. You are not serious interested or invested in this story to actually understand it, only to be contrarian because its popular.

People who are contrarian or act in bad faith wouldn't bother to present specific complaints like this. They would deliver a few lines and meme their way to attention.

TheDeedsOfMenJul 10, 2020 12:04 AM

Jul 10, 2020 12:10 AM

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Subaru's depression season 2 here we go.

"At some point, I stopped hoping."

Jul 10, 2020 12:12 AM

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Lmao I literally clicked play on this episode, took a deep breath, and said out loud "Into suffering we go once again". And boy was I right.

This is already shaping up to be a wild and emotional ride yet again.

Subaru you'd better become a hero worthy of Rem. She is best girl, after all.

Jul 10, 2020 1:10 AM

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zannett said:
You know I still wish Subaru doesn't behave like such a creep around Emilia sometimes but at least he's grown over the course of the series. This is a good start to the season, with no down time and a big chip on Subaru's shoulder already.

Please let this be a two-cour.

It's two cour but split. The second cour will be in Winter 2021, so January.

Aliis si licet, tibi non licet.

Jul 10, 2020 1:13 AM

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TheDeedsOfMen said:

Jagd84 said:

Except they were foreshadowed all way back in season 1.

Petelgeuse or the story never claimed he was the only one.

That only reveals that other archbishops exist, not anything about the two new ones specifically. And now they are suddenly important villains. There is no reason why the author could not have had them appear in a less dramatic role before and then build up to this moment.

Also complaining characters being antagonistic is silly,

It is not about them being antagonistic, it is about them delivering generic lines (like typical villain speeches) and lacking any interesting motives. Not every antagonist has to be an extreme slapstick character or over-the-top evil.

Because its not for them but for Rem steel herself for the fight despite tired earlier battle against the White Whale. Its also why its not exposition.

There is no reason to say it out loud. In fact, saying so only reveals more information to the villains, both their relationship and that Subaru may later appear as a reinforcement. (They probably know already, but she can't be sure about whether they do.) Judging by the wording and the context, it sounded as though it is meant to remind the audience.

Beyond its common in fights for warriors introduce themselves and station if simply. Reinhard & Elsa did to each otehr back in S1

It was also terrible for Reinhard and Elsa. In a life-threatening combat situation against obvious and dangerous antagonists, what kind of a person stands around adhering to some warrior's code to deliver an introductory speech? It is not like they are seriously negotiating; what is the point? By standing around and talking, you actually lose the element of surprise compared to attacking right away.

This literally makes no sense. There no such thing as normal hero to being with and this thin veiled excuse disparage Subaru's character development to fish more bogus criticism. Had he not developed you would turn around bash the show having him be static character with no growth which would be objectively bad anyway.

By "normal hero," I mean a character who defeats generic evil villains to rescue his love interests or possibly save the world or the local kingdom. There is any number of directions to develop the story; it didn't have to take the path that it did. This kingdom even looks like it may have more interesting problems (social problems, maybe), but Subaru doesn't deal with those, does he? Or what if he was more substantially betrayed by some of the seemingly good characters, for example? Instead, he has to spend his time fighting against these obviously-evil cultists.

but judging by how bad faith your post is

Given what you said I wouldn't bother. You are not serious interested or invested in this story to actually understand it, only to be contrarian because its popular.

People who are contrarian or act in bad faith wouldn't bother to present specific complaints like this. They would deliver a few lines and meme their way to attention.

I'll just say that the first episode is very misleading. It won't actually delve into pretty much anything you assumed. Saying more is a big spoiler, but you'll probably get the idea as the plot moves on from the current events by the end of episode 2-3.

Aliis si licet, tibi non licet.

Jul 10, 2020 2:45 AM

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Man that was an underwelming episode for sure, I don't understand why people gave it a 8.76 (maybe fanboys?)

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Jul 10, 2020 3:01 AM

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swirlydragon said:
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Wow! Goddamn! What an epic fight! Loved Regulus voice acting and he is so goddamn OP. Probably my third fav character now. Regulus broke Crusch's arm and Rem's guard by just looking AT THEM?!!

Wasn't Crusch's arm cut off? How did she had it attached? Was it Subaru's re: that changed it?

Felix fixed (healed) it

Jul 10, 2020 3:06 AM

#411

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An excellent return after 4 years of waiting! And the animation promises to be heavy for this season!

Jul 10, 2020 3:37 AM

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10/10 for the first episode as we have new character introduced (sin of gluttony and sin of greed)...

And we have some sad moments...

Rem have been forgotten again...

And that Subaru....tried his best to return by death but there are some things that he cant save.

Well looking forward to next episode.

Jul 10, 2020 3:44 AM

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Mu Felis cried...
Wanted so moch to caddle him...

Jul 10, 2020 4:01 AM

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Bernkastle said:
I'll just say that the first episode is very misleading. It won't actually delve into pretty much anything you assumed. Saying more is a big spoiler, but you'll probably get the idea as the plot moves on from the current events by the end of episode 2-3.

Yes, I already heard people say things along those lines. I am not going to immediately drop this or anything.

Jul 10, 2020 5:39 AM

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FUCK, I wasn't expecting the "Who's Rem" meme to show up this early. It's sad... Also, I had forgotten how cute of a voice Emilia has.

I already hate the greed archbishop

Jul 10, 2020 5:55 AM

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thiago52192 said:
Soundtrack and direction are top tier as always. Honestly, all I hope is that this Season answer questions about the world and characters from last season and even the OVA's that brought even more questions. I feel the show really need to answer them if they want to create interesting arcs now. It's not that I'm not curious to see what is going to happen on this arc now, I definitely am, but I'm also starting to get a little bit lost in some aspects of the show.
Also, was it just me, or some of the sound design in the fight scenes felt incomplete?

Worry not, Arc 4 (i.e. season 2) is going to answer a whole lot of questions. Not that it won't raise a bunch more, mind you, but there are some rather big reveals incoming.

Jul 10, 2020 8:10 AM

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TheDeedsOfMen said:
These random new archbishops showed up out of nowhere without any prior appearances or foreshadowing. And their lines were generic and only there to establish that they are indeed the bad guys. It shows again why these Witch Cult archbishops don't work as villains.

This episode was supposed to be the last episode of Season 1 in 2016.
We don't know much about them yet because we are following Subaru. And Season 2 will add more lore/context on witches (and witch-cult).

Re:Zero follows a rather unique way of story-telling because it is actually framed around the main heroine Emilia (acc to the author) but it is narrated from Subaru's perspective. In season 1 Emilia (shrouded in some mystery) was not on the screen for long, but now that Subaru managed to convey his feelings to earn Emilia's trust, we will see the plot thickening.

And many parts of the narrative are told in a way that retrospective viewing (after knowing some key information) will make them more impactful. This goes for the Archbishops/Witch-cult especially. Same can be said about Emilia character and her behaviour.

It is not about them being antagonistic, it is about them delivering generic lines (like typical villain speeches) and lacking any interesting motives. Not every antagonist has to be an extreme slapstick character or over-the-top evil.

"Not every antagonist" -> True, I agree. Not every antagonist in re:zero will be like that. But the Archbishops are pretty much all nut jobs.

Are they boring? Maybe some people will find them boring right now (but hopefully this will change after Season 2 ends). My response remains the same as above in this regard. There's more to their "craziness".

And I didn't feel their lines were generic, as we could infer a lot from their dialogues:

- Gluttony (Ley / Lye) craves to fight and "consume" strong opponents. They left white whale (their "pet") to rampage around so that he could target the people (or group) who manage to defeat the whale. (this is the reasoning we can infer from his conversation this episode, but there could be more "motives" also). And then this also conveys that the whale served the purpose of a decoy (or obstacle) so that Petelgeuse could carry out their "Ordeal" with Emilia while ensuring other people/reinforcements from the capital could not interfere.

- For Greed (Regulus) we get an idea of his character: a hypocrite justifying himself endlessly, completely disconnected from the results of his actions as he plays the "nice guy", & loses his cool rapidly as his self-justification is denied ("I do believe that is a violation of my right to speak"), while he happily trampled on the rights of others earlier. And he also comments on Crusch ("You don't know me, but I know all about you"), which raise some questions like:- was he there to target Crusch? And why didn't he kill her? etc

That only reveals that other archbishops exist, not anything about the two new ones specifically. And now they are suddenly important villains. There is no reason why the author could not have had them appear in a less dramatic role before and then build-up to this moment.

TBH this was the "less-dramatic" role to build-up Greed & Gluttony :P

There is no reason to say it out loud. In fact, saying so only reveals more information to the villains, both their relationship and that Subaru may later appear as a reinforcement. (They probably know already, but she can't be sure about whether they do.) Judging by the wording and the context, it sounded as though it is meant to remind the audience.

Do you mean Rem declaring "her love for Subaru"? Well, even I agree with you on this. There was no need for all that dramatic declaration of "My beloved hero will come to defeat you evil-doers". It all felt cringy and unnecessary to me also. Gluttony craves to consume "strong" opponents, and this could very well be the reason he didn't kill Rem (for baiting Subaru the "Hero" to come after Gluttony for trying to save Rem). But nonetheless, it was pretty careless of Rem. She gave away some crucial information and potentially put Subaru in danger of being targetted by Gluttony :(

But with that being said, were you expecting Rem to act smart that time? I think Season 1 established her character pretty well in this regard.

The other likely motive was to exploit Rem's popularity among the audience and make it seem like a very "dramatic" fall for Rem while she was desperately wishing that her "hero" Subaru comes to save her, and pull the emotional strings for the audience. In simpler terms, to grab some more cash (lol), Re:Zero franchise benefits a lot from selling Rem merchandise.

rakp333Jul 10, 2020 8:49 AM

Jul 10, 2020 8:43 AM

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Oh, boy, here we go again. Natsuki's going to have it even tougher it seems.

Also, starting new season with a loli is absolutely healthy!

But honestly, the scene in the end sort of moved me , really. These manly tears of Subaru's and him asking Emilia to look away... Those "feels", man.

Overall, I'm hyped up, let's see where this will go.

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Jul 10, 2020 9:06 AM

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They should've done a recap episode here. Can't remember the plot much less any of these characters or what they're supposed to be like. The first season isn't particularly memorable, the only thing I remember is that scene of subarus head falling off but thats only because it was posted a billion times, not because the scene itself was interesting or memorable.

Jul 10, 2020 9:09 AM

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Sayonara Remmu! I bet she will be a sleeping beauty for the rest of the season

Jul 10, 2020 9:21 AM

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StardustReverie said:
They should've done a recap episode here.

They aired a Director's cut version from Jan-March 2020 which clubs Season 1 into 13 episodes (of around 46 mins length) to make it easier for people to recall.

It will take around 10 hrs to binge it.

I would suggest doing that because lot of stuff in season 2 will connect back to small details in S1. (for ex:- the blank letter received by Emilia faction, the letter was blank because Rem was the one who wrote it, but she fell victim to Gluttony)

rakp333Jul 10, 2020 10:08 AM

Jul 10, 2020 9:34 AM

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Rob7 said:
Btw.

It is just one of Tapei's plot holes, but is bothering me how nobody in that last meeting is any concerned about only Subaru out of all people is able to overcome the effects of Glutonny Archbishop's power.

Livius2001 said:

I like how nobody is questioning Subaru about how he remembers Rem.

2/10

Due to the "witch miasma" (or "witch scent" as other characters call it) the Witch Authority don't work on Subaru as effectively. So he is able to remember forgotten people and see the "unseen hands". From season 1 one could also infer that Subaru's reset power is controlled by Satella (Witch of Envy) and Subaru doesn't have much control over it.

They're smart enough to figure out that Subaru has some form of connection to Witch cult, given the events of season 1 ("witch scent", him being able to see "unseen hands", him knowing that the Witch Cult will attack, etc). But they also understood that he might have his reasons to not explain to them why or how (he cannot say anything about his "reset power" due to Satella's curse). So they're not prying further on this. (at least not yet, because Subaru having information is benefitting them also).

Longer answer from details in Season 1:

In the Mansion arc Subaru was getting killed by Rem because she was suspicious of him. Subaru had this lingering witch scent, and it seemed like he was learning stuff about the mansion (like where pots are kept, etc) too quickly.

Then, well, he had that big fight with Emilia in Ep13 due to their misunderstanding and because he wasn't exactly able to explain his circumstances to her and Emilia couldn't bring herself to blindly believe in him. Remember her dialogue "I can't understand if you don't explain Subaru. The version of me that lives within you must be amazing, she can understand all your pain and sorrow without even you explaining".

And of course even Crusch was not believing in him later on in Episode 16,19 etc.

So it's not like other characters are blindly believing in him. Ofc they're suspicious. They're just tagging along for their own benefits (Crusch, Wilhelm, Felix etc) because Subaru's "intuition" worked well for them. Emilia now knows that Subaru is on her side as he saved her and confessed to her (she has suffered lot of prejudice and discrimination due to having a striking resemblance to Satella, most people hate her and 99% of their world is against her, so Subaru saying he loves her made her happy). She also knows he has some "secrets", but he cannot tell about to anyone, so she's trying to put her faith on him.

rakp333Jul 10, 2020 10:09 AM

Jul 10, 2020 9:44 AM

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rakp333 said:

Rob7 said:
Btw.

It is just one of Tapei's plot holes, but is bothering me how nobody in that last meeting is any concerned about only Subaru out of all people is able to overcome the effects of Glutonny Archbishop's power.

Livius2001 said:

I like how nobody is questioning Subaru about how he remembers Rem.

2/10

Due to the "witch miasma" (or "witch scent" as other characters call it) the Witch Authority don't work on Subaru as effectively. So he is able to remember forgotten people and see the "unseen hands". From season 1 one could also infer that Subaru's reset power is controlled by Satella (Witch of Envy) and Subaru doesn't have much control over it.

They're smart enough to figure out that Subaru has some form of connection to Witch cult, given the events of season 1 ("witch scent", him being able to see "unseen hands", him knowing that the Witch Cult will attack, etc). But they also understood that he might have his reasons to not explain to them why or how (he cannot say anything about his "reset power" due to Satella's curse). So they're not prying further on this. (at least not yet, because Subaru having information is benefitting them also).

I think he already explained to them in Episode 19 of S1 that he gets some of these information from his "metia" (the cell phone he carries around). They have their doubts but its a pretty diplomatic situation (and Subaru has been very helpful to them) so they're not questioning him right now.

BexoCatJul 10, 2020 10:10 AM

Jul 10, 2020 10:35 AM

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Ah i forgot that it is near the same situation when he explained to his allies how to defeat Petelgeuse.

Sure, it is natural to them to think "if Subaru can handle with the power of 1 Sin Archbishop, he can handle with the rest"

Jul 10, 2020 10:48 AM

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Meh didn't liked it, felt like mid S1 all over again and just some Steins gate ripoff at some points
I'll continue to follow it to see if it's getting interesting or not, but considering I didn't liked the end of the 1st season and if it's just the same thing again might drop it

Jul 10, 2020 12:09 PM

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How the hell is the rating from this anime so high from a single episode? while the episode wasn't bad there's no way in hell the rating should be this high right now, this rating is higher than plenty of other better "completed" animes out there like Death Note, One Punch Man, Parasyte the Maxim, etc... and this is quite retarded.

Now before a fanboy gets their panties in a bunch and start telling me that I'm wrong or whatever I want you to know that I'm not hating on this anime, I'm actually looking forward to this one, I'm simply being fair here, a single episode shouldn't be higher than the other "completed" animes, the fanboys are simply rating this 10/10 from the beginning, this crap happened with Steins;Gate 0 as well, in a single episode the rating was at 9.4 or something and it stayed there for months.

Jul 10, 2020 12:29 PM

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Resus-2 said:
How the hell is the rating from this anime so high from a single episode? while the episode wasn't bad there's no way in hell the rating should be this high right now, this rating is higher than plenty of other better "completed" animes out there like Death Note, One Punch Man, Parasyte the Maxim, etc... and this is quite retarded.

Now before a fanboy gets their panties in a bunch and start telling me that I'm wrong or whatever I want you to know that I'm not hating on this anime, I'm actually looking forward to this one, I'm simply being fair here, a single episode shouldn't be higher than the other "completed" animes, the fanboys are simply rating this 10/10 from the beginning, this crap happened with Steins;Gate 0 as well, in a single episode the rating was at 9.4 or something and it stayed there for months.

Similar to the fan boys, why are you getting your panties in a bunch over the most trivial aspect of the anime a.k.a. the score ?

Jul 10, 2020 12:34 PM

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azayaka112 said:
Ah damn, thanks for not killing crusch, tho i think subaru really needs a training arc, he always complaining that he can't do anything but no proper training arc yet.

Damn awesome episode.

I dont think a training arc would do him much good....this anime is appealing becuz of Subaru and his struggle...he is a normal character thrown in a brutal fantasy world.....hate those animes where 15 16 yr old MCs are fighting off villains with 100 years of training and suddenly awake some ancient hidden power when their dead parents motivate them in their visions while being calm af even tho everything around them has gone to shit....author did a good job at making subaru portray emotions as they should be.....some people find his character annoying because they cant picture their own better self in him but his character needs to be hella more appreciated for being sane and not giving up after all the shit he has been through....

Jul 10, 2020 12:51 PM

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KreatorX said:
Similar to the fan boys, why are you getting your panties in a bunch over the most trivial aspect of the anime a.k.a. the score ?

Because these type of things is actually cancerous and should not be encouraged, this type of cancerous mentality is the same shit you find in Reddit when people downvote others just for having a different opinion, pretty retarded stuff and unlike you, I actually care about fixing this crap.

Jul 10, 2020 12:56 PM

#430

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Minase Inori Rem's really the best girl. Her future with Subaru being scrapped was so fucked. And the way he was totally destroyed by not be able to save her was even stronger feeling that what he's having towards Emilia right now. Maybe things will change in the future but in my heart Rem will be always the one.

This was one pretty intense and emotional episode. Great start for the continuation of the franchise after all those years.

Jul 10, 2020 1:16 PM

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I like it that the 2nd season started exactly where season 1 left off which makes it easier to follow since it's been a while since I watched the first season (but still I could rewatch season 1 in a week as well<3). I feel sorry for Subaru though. All he really ever does is suffer in that world. Hopefully this season will be interesting. Love the soundtrack.

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Jul 10, 2020 2:06 PM

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Resus-2 said:

KreatorX said:
Similar to the fan boys, why are you getting your panties in a bunch over the most trivial aspect of the anime a.k.a. the score ?

Because these type of things is actually cancerous and should not be encouraged, this type of cancerous mentality is the same shit you find in Reddit when people downvote others just for having a different opinion, pretty retarded stuff and unlike you, I actually care about fixing this crap.

Yes, please care about fixing the crap unlike me by not offering the solution.

I'm simply being fair here, a single episode shouldn't be higher than the other "completed" animes, the fanboys are simply rating this 10/10 from the beginning, this crap happened with Steins;Gate 0 as well, in a single episode the rating was at 9.4 or something and it stayed there for months.

It takes almost 5 years in general for the scores to stabilize, once the season has ended and the hype surrounding it has faded. Besides that, how would the so-called "cancerous mentality" magically vanish if the score from one episode reflected its supposed "true" score, let's say 6? This is hardly even a solution otherwise.

This cancerous mentality and needless drama over a "score" has no influence on the story nor the quality of anime. It doesn't even affect the Japanese audience to which it is primarily targets.

If you wanted a "solution", it would require MAL to strongly reconsider how it handles ratings. Allow people to rate only after they have seen the whole thing. It isn't to barge into the series forum and make some random comment about fan-boys ruining the score. Please seek out the moderators or admins and sort things out over there in Database Management forum.

KreatorXJul 10, 2020 2:24 PM

Jul 10, 2020 2:23 PM

#433

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rakp333 said:

TheDeedsOfMen said:
These random new archbishops showed up out of nowhere without any prior appearances or foreshadowing. And their lines were generic and only there to establish that they are indeed the bad guys. It shows again why these Witch Cult archbishops don't work as villains.

This episode was supposed to be the last episode of Season 1 in 2016.
We don't know much about them yet because we are following Subaru. And Season 2 will add more lore/context on witches (and witch-cult).

Re:Zero follows a rather unique way of story-telling because it is actually framed around the main heroine Emilia (acc to the author) but it is narrated from Subaru's perspective. In season 1 Emilia (shrouded in some mystery) was not on the screen for long, but now that Subaru managed to convey his feelings to earn Emilia's trust, we will see the plot thickening.

And many parts of the narrative are told in a way that retrospective viewing (after knowing some key information) will make them more impactful. This goes for the Archbishops/Witch-cult especially. Same can be said about Emilia character and her behaviour.

Yes, mystery stories should present early foreshadowing that only later becomes apparent. That's great. The problem is that progress has been super-slow, so the plot really needs to thicken soon.

And I didn't feel their lines were generic, as we could infer a lot from their dialogues:

- Gluttony (Ley / Lye) craves to fight and "consume" strong opponents. They left white whale (their "pet") to rampage around so that he could target the people (or group) who manage to defeat the whale. (this is the reasoning we can infer from his conversation this episode, but there could be more "motives" also). And then this also conveys that the whale served the purpose of a decoy (or obstacle) so that Petelgeuse could carry out their "Ordeal" with Emilia while ensuring other people/reinforcements from the capital could not interfere.

- For Greed (Regulus) we get an idea of his character: a hypocrite justifying himself endlessly, completely disconnected from the results of his actions as he plays the "nice guy", & loses his cool rapidly as his self-justification is denied ("I do believe that is a violation of my right to speak"), while he happily trampled on the rights of others earlier. And he also comments on Crusch ("You don't know me, but I know all about you"), which raise some questions like:- was he there to target Crusch? And why didn't he kill her? etc

Yeah. They carry the titles of Gluttony and Greed, after all. I meant that they didn't really get further than establishing their respective "sins."

The other likely motive was to exploit Rem's popularity among the audience and make it seem like a very "dramatic" fall for Rem while she was desperately wishing that her "hero" Subaru comes to save her, and pull the emotional strings for the audience. In simpler terms, to grab some more cash (lol), Re:Zero franchise benefits a lot from selling Rem merchandise.

I'd be very surprised if it wasn't a big factor.

Jul 10, 2020 2:25 PM

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KreatorX said:
Yes, please care about fixing the crap unlike me by just asking a rhetoric and not offering the solution.

Here's a solution, don't allow people to rate the first couple of episodes of a new anime, having people rating a new anime 10/10 from the 1st episode is simply bad. The anime needs to have a few weeks airing before the rating system becomes available for that anime.

KreatorX said:

It takes almost 5 years in general for the scores to stabilize, once the season has ended and the hype surrounding it has faded. Besides that, how would the so-called "cancerous mentality" vanish if the score reflected its supposed "true" score, let's say 6? This is hardly even a solution otherwise.

Yes I know that by the end of this anime (or months/years later...) the score will stabilize, by "cancerous mentality" I'm simply referring to the people rating this episode 10/10 in this single episode and thus, having a rating surpassing the other completed animes because that's not being fair to the completed animes IMHO, just give a new anime a few weeks before the rating system to be available and in those few weeks we can judge better if the animation, story, choreography, OST, etc... deserves the 10/10.

Jul 10, 2020 3:45 PM

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Resus-2 said:

just give a new anime a few weeks before the rating system to be available and in those few weeks we can judge better

I agree with what you're saying, but there's really no harm if it has higher score than the other "completed anime" for just few weeks. In few weeks the score will change after more people rate it depending on how good/bad it is.

I think pretty much everyone who uses MAL knows that the score right now doesn't mean anything.

So calm down, forget about the score, and enjoy the show.

rakp333Jul 10, 2020 4:01 PM

Jul 10, 2020 4:02 PM

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Decent first half of the episode. Pedestrian second half. To be expected though with it being the 1st episode of the new series and setting up a new narrative.

3/5

Jul 10, 2020 5:16 PM

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tutiflo said:
just some Steins gate ripoff at some points

Wtf? Steins;Gate is my favorite anime of all time and didn't notice anything similar to steins;gate during the episode

Jul 10, 2020 5:26 PM

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TheDeedsOfMen said:

Bernkastle said:
I'll just say that the first episode is very misleading. It won't actually delve into pretty much anything you assumed. Saying more is a big spoiler, but you'll probably get the idea as the plot moves on from the current events by the end of episode 2-3.

Yes, I already heard people say things along those lines. I am not going to immediately drop this or anything.

You say others have already mentioned things along these lines, so if I'm saying nothing new, feel free to ignore it.

Anyway, this episode is what should have – and if the studio knew they would get to produce a 2nd season, possibly would have – been the ending of season one. It was at the ending of that major story arc in the books.

That is the arc that first properly introduces the Witch Cult, and yes, there we don't really get to know about them in depth yet. But the introduction of two more sin archbishops feels much more natural at that point, instead of here it possibly seeming like "oh great, is this gonna be just more of the same?".

The story arc this season will likely adapt is not strictly related to that plot thread, but we will go much more in depth about the topic of

as well as a fair number of the already established characters (almost all of the core cast actually). Though we will get sprinklings of rather juicy bits of information about the nature of the cult by the end as well.

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Jul 10, 2020 5:34 PM

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Did you guys notice something weird about Emilia face? I don't know if its just me being crazy but there's something on Season 2 Emilia that is annoying me so much but i don't know what it is.

Jul 10, 2020 5:44 PM

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I totally felt that this season is definitely going to be even better than the first season, so looking forward for more.

Rem T_T.

Jul 10, 2020 5:48 PM

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So, is Crush keeping the alliance with Emilia just because of revenge? what are they even trying to accomplish? Felix is the only one making sense by trying to break the alliance tbh

But, to be fair, I kinda forgot some of last season's events. Am I missing something here?

Jul 10, 2020 6:01 PM

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NotReallyAnder said:
So, is Crush keeping the alliance with Emilia just because of revenge?

No. The alliance between Emilia and Crusch camp was in exchange for mining rights to crystals in Elior forest, and also the intel on White Whale (Crusch gang wanted to bring down that whale).

Breaking the alliance now would be like a betrayal after they got their end of the profit. Doesn't suit someone like Crusch.

what are they even trying to accomplish?

Alliance as in helping out the other party in case of any trouble (be it regarding witch-cult, royal selection, or something else)

Felix is the only one making sense by trying to break the alliance tbh

Felix makes sense from an emotional point of view, but Crusch had given her word to Subaru in ep19 and ep21 because Subaru helped a lot in bringing down that whale. Backing off now would be bad for Crusch's honour.

For reference, check out this conversation between Crusch & Subaru in ep21 after defeating the Whale:

But, to be fair, I kinda forgot some of last season's events. Am I missing something here?

Yeah. I think you should probably re-watch it. It will take around 10hrs to binge the director's cut version of S1. Do this before the next episode if possible. Or maybe read some good episode-wise summaries etc from somewhere. Many things in season 2 will connect the dots between small details in Season 1.

rakp333Jul 10, 2020 6:08 PM

Jul 10, 2020 6:08 PM

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tutiflo said:
Meh didn't liked it, felt like mid S1 all over again and just some Steins gate ripoff at some points
I'll continue to follow it to see if it's getting interesting or not, but considering I didn't liked the end of the 1st season and if it's just the same thing again might drop it

"It uses time traveling and has elements of tragedy. Must be a Steins;Gate ripoff"
- some Steins;Gate person

Jul 10, 2020 6:15 PM

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dasprn said:

swirlydragon said:
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Wow! Goddamn! What an epic fight! Loved Regulus voice acting and he is so goddamn OP. Probably my third fav character now. Regulus broke Crusch's arm and Rem's guard by just looking AT THEM?!!

Wasn't Crusch's arm cut off? How did she had it attached? Was it Subaru's re: that changed it?

Felis healed her arm. How isn't that obvious?

Jul 10, 2020 6:20 PM

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Rob7 said:
Btw.

It is just one of Tapei's plot holes, but is bothering me how nobody in that last meeting is any concerned about only Subaru out of all people is able to overcome the effects of Glutonny Archbishop's power.

And Felix is desperate to find a solution to Crusch, but, hello? Nothing about investigate anything of the only guy around who was not affected?

Not a plot hole. Rewatch Season 1. When Crusch asked how does Subaru know about the White Whale attack and the Witch Cultist attack, he plays it off by saying that he has a metia (his phone). Wilhelm was present at the meeting, same with Felix.

Again, rewatch Season 1. Do yourself a favor.

Jul 10, 2020 6:22 PM

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tutiflo said:
Meh didn't liked it, felt like mid S1 all over again and just some Steins gate ripoff at some points
I'll continue to follow it to see if it's getting interesting or not, but considering I didn't liked the end of the 1st season and if it's just the same thing again might drop it

This was supposed to be the last episode of Season 1 in 2016. Its a bit misleading on what this season will actually be about. Season 2 will be pretty different from what you've seen so far. This is when the actual plot of re:zero will start to thicken and few important things will be revealed. It will also connect the dots between many events in Season 1.

Jul 10, 2020 6:23 PM

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