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I would be interested to see how that would play out. |
ssjokg said: Big Shister is even worse....it amazes me that fan translators were doing a better job than people that get paid. rsc-pl said: Higurashi subs are not even that bad if you compare to other shit released by funimation in this and previous seasons. I could understand if like the VN had a precedent for using that but I guess not. It's just so awkward i had to do a double take. Even the translation on Hidive for the original series leaves it intact as Nii-nii. And it's just gonna get worse bc we all know Satoko's gonna be saying it more |
| I am so happy to see Irie, I really missed him. Bought the LN but still haven't played them. Question for anyone who played them: Finally, Satoshi was mentioned. I love him so much, it isn't even normal. Okay but this time around Rika is seriously mad at Keiichi, isn't? LMAO. It makes me laugh so much. |
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| Oh boy! The flashbacks! |
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rsc-pl said: rubybestgirl said: I could understand if like the VN had a precedent for using that but I guess not. It's just so awkward i had to do a double take. Even the translation on Hidive for the original series leaves it intact as Nii-nii. And it's just gonna get worse bc we all know Satoko's gonna be saying it more That's why I'm using fansubs though. Just saying, these subs are not really that bad if you compare it to anything done by aniplex or almost all other series done by funi (I'm not even mentioning netflix because it's an ultimate abomination). Wait, fansubs are still a think for airing shows? |
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| Not bad to set things up, stuff seems to escalate way faster this time with going through Satoshi and the uncle being an ass. |
| *skip* Nothing new... *skip* |
| God I remember loving satokos arcs in the vn, I hope they're gonna be good here too. |
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| I don't like the Nii-Nii to "Big Brudder" translation too but if anyone is interested in the translator's reasoning, go here: https://twitter.com/katrinaltrnsl8r/status/1332022030875590656 one of her friends suggested Big Chungus as a translation lol  |
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| Oh fuck, so this is Satoko's arc this is gonna be quite disturbing, they actually did a good job adapting this one they followed on what really happened on the old higurashi. |
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| Higurashi PSA. Only little girls randomly coming over can prevent Keiichi house fires. |
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Tsukumo_Yuuma said: I don't like the Nii-Nii translation too but if anyone is interested in the translator's reasoning, go here: https://twitter.com/katrinaltrnsl8r/status/1332022030875590656 one of her friends suggested Big Chungus as a translation lol Should I despair that people pay for that trash? Remember when fan translators had disclaimers "if you paid for this you were robbed"?. That wasnt for them. It was a freaking warning. |
Many characters tease her about that not just Takano, but she just can't tell the difference between the two, it's common in children. If she really was colorblind then it would've been mentioned in one of the many Higu arcs. |
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Tsukumo_Yuuma said: Thanks, I understand the reasoning. And, I don’t like it a bit. I prefer Nii-Nii too. I don't like the Nii-Nii translation too but if anyone is interested in the translator's reasoning, go here: https://twitter.com/katrinaltrnsl8r/status/1332022030875590656 one of her friends suggested Big Chungus as a translation lol FWIW The Latin community makes similar translations while technically correct are just awful. The people watching Higurashi aren’t fools or xenophobic, they can handle reading Nii Nii. |
ssjokg said: Tsukumo_Yuuma said: I don't like the Nii-Nii translation too but if anyone is interested in the translator's reasoning, go here: https://twitter.com/katrinaltrnsl8r/status/1332022030875590656 one of her friends suggested Big Chungus as a translation lol Should I despair that people pay for that trash? Remember when fan translators had disclaimers "if you paid for this you were robbed"?. That wasnt for them. It was a freaking warning. What's weird is that she acknowledges it being not-so-good-translation but insists it's the better translation and anyone that uses Nii-Nii doesn't know how translate lol (i don't really care but it's just cringy tbh, Nii-Nii was cute)  |
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NoviSun said: Tsukumo_Yuuma said: Thanks, I understand the reasoning. And, I don’t like it a bit. I prefer Nii-Nii too. I don't like the Nii-Nii translation too but if anyone is interested in the translator's reasoning, go here: https://twitter.com/katrinaltrnsl8r/status/1332022030875590656 one of her friends suggested Big Chungus as a translation lol FWIW The Latin community makes similar translations while technically correct are just awful. The people watching Higurashi aren’t fools or xenophobic, they can handle reading Nii Nii. Frankly the reasoning is retarded. I watched the OG Higurashi in 2009 when all japanese words still sounded the same to me and I could tell that ni-ni was Satoko's baby way of saying big brother. It wasnt rocket science in japanese. So either I am really intelligent or that person must get off her high horse and stop acting as if viewers are fucking retarded, asking for internet rewards for her "hard work". In the adult world it doesnt matter how hard you worked if the final product is shit. And nii nii and nee nee arent the only bullshit translations. Why are there so many liberal, meme like translations? |
ssjokg said: I agree about this. I see red every time I see a Latin translation with the word Legion replaced with Brigade, and Centurion replaced with Company Commander or Master Sargent.NoviSun said: Thanks, I understand the reasoning. And, I don’t like it a bit. I prefer Nii-Nii too. FWIW The Latin community makes similar translations while technically correct are just awful. The people watching Higurashi aren’t fools or xenophobic, they can handle reading Nii Nii. Frankly the reasoning is retarded. I watched the OG Higurashi in 2009 when all japanese words still sounded the same to me and I could tell that ni-ni was Satoko's baby way of saying big brother. It wasnt rocket science in japanese. So either I am really intelligent or that person must get off her high horse and stop acting as if viewers are fucking retarded, asking for internet rewards for her "hard work". In the adult world it doesnt matter how hard you worked if the final product is shit. And nii nii and nee nee arent the only bullshit translations. Why are there so many liberal, meme like translations? |
NoviSun said: ssjokg said: I agree about this. I see red every time I see a Latin translation with the word Legion replaced with Brigade, and Centurion replaced with Company Commander or Master Sargent.Frankly the reasoning is retarded. I watched the OG Higurashi in 2009 when all japanese words still sounded the same to me and I could tell that ni-ni was Satoko's baby way of saying big brother. It wasnt rocket science in japanese. So either I am really intelligent or that person must get off her high horse and stop acting as if viewers are fucking retarded, asking for internet rewards for her "hard work". In the adult world it doesnt matter how hard you worked if the final product is shit. And nii nii and nee nee arent the only bullshit translations. Why are there so many liberal, meme like translations? And okay, lets translate the damn thing....why was bro bro, which is a direct translation(at least based on sound), bad? In what way is Big Bruder better? Sis sis for Shion. First Railgun translating Onee-sama as Sissy now this. And people wonder why piracy is a thing. |
ssjokg said: NoviSun said: I agree about this. I see red every time I see a Latin translation with the word Legion replaced with Brigade, and Centurion replaced with Company Commander or Master Sargent. And okay, lets translate the damn thing....why was bro bro, which is a direct translation(at least based on sound), bad? In what way is Big Bruder better? Sis sis for Shion. First Railgun translating Onee-sama as Sissy now this. And people wonder why piracy is a thing. Is it that big of a deal? Regardless of how this translator chose to localize the term, you know what nii-nii means, and she still says nii-nii, and you can still choose to use nii-nii yourself. The choice to make it Big Brudder didn't make the scene wrong or hard to understand so I don't really see the issue outside of nitpicking? [[ not trying to start a fight about it, just my two cents ]] |
Gar_Logan said: ssjokg said: And okay, lets translate the damn thing....why was bro bro, which is a direct translation(at least based on sound), bad? In what way is Big Bruder better? Sis sis for Shion. First Railgun translating Onee-sama as Sissy now this. And people wonder why piracy is a thing. Is it that big of a deal? Regardless of how this translator chose to localize the term, you know what nii-nii means, and she still says nii-nii, and you can still choose to use nii-nii yourself. The choice to make it Big Brudder didn't make the scene wrong or hard to understand so I don't really see the issue outside of nitpicking? [[ not trying to start a fight about it, just my two cents ]] It annoys me when I see translations like that.I read subs so when i see bs like that it is just painful to watch. And I know that if they make such a stupid choice for something like this how can anyone assure me that the rest of the translation isnt just as garbage? And it is garbage in many places. |
ssjokg said: It annoys me when I see translations like that.I read subs so when i see bs like that it is just painful to watch. And I know that if they make such a stupid choice for something like this how can anyone assure me that the rest of the translation isnt just as garbage? And it is garbage in many places. I think that isn't the same thing though - making a localization choice for something like "nii-nii" isn't the same as a bad or wrong translation. |
Gar_Logan said: Actually it is a fairly medium sized deal to me. Part of the reason I watch anime is to get a taste of another culture and world. How would you feel if the used the same argument to replace Satako with Judy or maybe Hinamizawa with East Bumblefck or Tokyo with New York or Manila. There’s no stopping where this line of reasoning goes.ssjokg said: And okay, lets translate the damn thing....why was bro bro, which is a direct translation(at least based on sound), bad? In what way is Big Bruder better? Sis sis for Shion. First Railgun translating Onee-sama as Sissy now this. And people wonder why piracy is a thing. Is it that big of a deal? Regardless of how this translator chose to localize the term, you know what nii-nii means, and she still says nii-nii, and you can still choose to use nii-nii yourself. The choice to make it Big Brudder didn't make the scene wrong or hard to understand so I don't really see the issue outside of nitpicking? [[ not trying to start a fight about it, just my two cents ]] |
NoviSun said: Actually it is a fairly medium sized deal to me. Part of the reason I watch anime is to get a taste of another culture and world. How would you feel if the used the same argument to replace Satako with Judy or maybe Hinamizawa with East Bumblefck or Tokyo with New York or Manila. There’s no stopping where this line of reasoning goes. I get what you are saying, but the goal of Funimation I assume is to have as many people be able to access this anime without needing to know or understand any of the culturally specific aspects of the Japanese language. It's kind of the trend of the industry. It feels like they stick to Japanese names more lately, but iconic series like Pokemon made up new names for the Eng ver. |
Gar_Logan said: ssjokg said: It annoys me when I see translations like that.I read subs so when i see bs like that it is just painful to watch. And I know that if they make such a stupid choice for something like this how can anyone assure me that the rest of the translation isnt just as garbage? And it is garbage in many places. I think that isn't the same thing though - making a localization choice for something like "nii-nii" isn't the same as a bad or wrong translation. There where many choices that werent this bad. A localization can be bad. And it is the same when they seem to treat everything as localization. Lets add memes that everyone can understand. Lets make Mion give an answer that has nothing to do with the context. Lets add words and names that werent said. Lets make Satoko talk like a different person. I dont understand why a more straightforward translation is such an alien concept. |
ssjokg said: Gar_Logan said: I think that isn't the same thing though - making a localization choice for something like "nii-nii" isn't the same as a bad or wrong translation. There where many choices that werent this bad. A localization can be bad. And it is the same when they seem to treat everything as localization. Lets add memes that everyone can understand. Lets make Mion give an answer that has nothing to do with the context. Lets add words and names that werent said. Lets make Satoko talk like a different person. I dont understand why a more straightforward translation is such an alien concept. What was the Mion example? |
Gar_Logan said: NoviSun said: Actually it is a fairly medium sized deal to me. Part of the reason I watch anime is to get a taste of another culture and world. How would you feel if the used the same argument to replace Satako with Judy or maybe Hinamizawa with East Bumblefck or Tokyo with New York or Manila. There’s no stopping where this line of reasoning goes. I get what you are saying, but the goal of Funimation I assume is to have as many people be able to access this anime without needing to know or understand any of the culturally specific aspects of the Japanese language. It's kind of the trend of the industry. Isnt that kinda...racist? Can Americans stop ruining things for once? |
Gar_Logan said: https://youtu.be/pFvBu_I5n44?t=152ssjokg said: There where many choices that werent this bad. A localization can be bad. And it is the same when they seem to treat everything as localization. Lets add memes that everyone can understand. Lets make Mion give an answer that has nothing to do with the context. Lets add words and names that werent said. Lets make Satoko talk like a different person. I dont understand why a more straightforward translation is such an alien concept. What was the Mion example? |
How would you have fixed it? |
| Would just translate shiranai as what it means. "Okay Okay.." isnt anywhere close to that or how Mion felt towards Shion's teasing. |
ssjokg said: Would just translate shiranai as what it means. "Okay Okay.." isnt anywhere close to that or how Mion felt towards Shion's teasing. What does it mean? |
Gar_Logan said: ssjokg said: Would just translate shiranai as what it means. "Okay Okay.." isnt anywhere close to that or how Mion felt towards Shion's teasing. What does it mean? In the VN they just translated it "i don't know i don't know" https://youtu.be/RgL3oJDvkGs?list=PLAkgJRDsrzdTpkiAD7niy6nXb28kNKvlF&t=1782 |
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Tsukumo_Yuuma said: In the VN they just translated it "i don't know i don't know" https://youtu.be/RgL3oJDvkGs?list=PLAkgJRDsrzdTpkiAD7niy6nXb28kNKvlF&t=1782 IMO that makes less sense based on context than "okay okay" |
Gar_Logan said: ssjokg said: Would just translate shiranai as what it means. "Okay Okay.." isnt anywhere close to that or how Mion felt towards Shion's teasing. What does it mean? ...... Really now? I dont know, maybe I know what it means because I am angry at the "translation"? |
Gar_Logan said: Tsukumo_Yuuma said: In the VN they just translated it "i don't know i don't know" https://youtu.be/RgL3oJDvkGs?list=PLAkgJRDsrzdTpkiAD7niy6nXb28kNKvlF&t=1782 IMO that makes less sense based on context than "okay okay" I think "I don't know" is better but it's not really a big deal. The problem is when they fuck up something from the mystery like:  from episode 3 (they fixed it some time later but it was like that when the episode came out) she also translated Reina as Rena in that same episode (Ooishi called her Reina while he was on the phone with Keiichi). |
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Tsukumo_Yuuma said: I think "I don't know" is better but it's not really a big deal. The problem is when they fuck up something from the mystery like: from episode 3 (they fixed it some time later but it was like that when the episode came out) she also translated Reina as Rena (Ooishi called her Reina while he was on the phone with Keiichi) Yeah, these types of omissions or mistakes I can understand being upset about (I think also episode 2 weirdly translates one of Rika's lines to Hanyuu). I'm mainly trying to just make a point that errors like these aren't the same as localization choices that don't change the overall meaning. |
| Ughhh loved this episode. Was getting me all in the feels. Satokos arc is definitely a favourite of mine. |
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Gar_Logan said: I'm mainly trying to just make a point that errors like these aren't the same as localization choices that don't change the overall meaning. Yeah i agree with you about that, i don't like "big brudder" but i'll just ignore it, like you said it doesn't really affect the story. At least we got some Satoko memes from it. |
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Tsukumo_Yuuma said: I caught both of those and assumed they were clues to this alternate universe. Grrr now that it’s revealed they were translation errors by someone who doesn’t know the franchise.I think "I don't know" is better but it's not really a big deal. The problem is when they fuck up something from the mystery like: from episode 3 (they fixed it some time later but it was like that when the episode came out) she also translated Reina as Rena in that same episode (Ooishi called her Reina while he was on the phone with Keiichi). |
NoviSun said: Grrr now that it’s revealed they were translation errors by someone who doesn’t know the franchise. Or japanese. Or they just dont give a shit. |
| Satoko's arc is here, along with the mention of Satoshi, and the appearance of that fucking bastard Teppei. Really chill episode overall, felt more like an introduction of what this arc is about and wich characters will have a role in here. Nothing much to say about it. Ending tho, Rena was about to go psycho mode with the Oyashiro-sama's curse mention, and Satoko basically entered hell. Waiting for next week! |
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