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| Good episode overall, my theory for this arc is still the same one i said in the first episode That's my initial thoughts, i will try to make theories about what happened later. |
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ArcueidBestGirl said: When it comes to "where the fuck is Rena", I always come to a "Rule W" of some sort. raiderublaze said: I'm watching the 2006 version of this episode at this very very moment, and ngl the ladder scene this episode is better. And yeah Rena is less involved in this version. I can believe in your dip that Rena might opened that door and let Keiichi out. And with Mion ofc noticing her, she has to deal with her aye. But that still leaves me with questions on where she's at in the very end of this episode, she was never mentioned. I'll see how she fare in the OG version, but I'm just curious on Rena's whereabouts in this situation. I never said that she opens the door. But if the people outside of the mansion are indeed the police, then Rena did help Keiichi in some way(not going to say how). I'm as clueless as you are when it comes to Rena's location, but I think she is safe somewhere (though probably mentally broken since everyone died). And a pattern I've noticed in Gou is: Now, about the twins, a question: |
rafaelfserafimNov 19, 2020 11:38 AM
| Good episode. Poor Rika-chan. :( That ladder scene though, damn. If I was the one on top of the ladder, I'm sure I'd have been scared, though I might have tried to get off the ladder or jump down. |
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It is more like we have more evidence for Shion than we do for Mion. -Mion hasnt actually shown any reason to want to do this. -This is the first time I have seen, at least I dont remember her doing it anywhere else, caring so much for Satoko's family. -K1 is unrelated to her crusade this time since there are no parallels to Satoshi and Shion's past Why would she do all of this after killing Shion if Oryu and Kimiyoshi were already killed by Shion? If the mayor and the old hag are dead then Mion doesnt have to go to extremes to change the village. She probably doesnt have to even if they are alive. |
| The ladder scene- such a throwback, good times I like how the dead bodies look more neat now compared to the og imo, they don't look as gruesome I'm glad the ugly gore is missing from this version |
HardLightScion said: I know, but the thing with Higurashi that we're all forgetting is the "the face of what you think is going on ISNT what's going on" I'm certain there's stuff to come that'll shock us The Umineko characters are definitely involved but that's only for the meta. |
ssjokg said: That's what I was missing! I knew I was missing something. The big talk about changing the village would make no sense for Mion.It is more like we have more evidence for Shion than we do for Mion. -Mion hasnt actually shown any reason to want to do this. -This is the first time I have seen, at least I dont remember her doing it anywhere else, caring so much for Satoko's family. -K1 is unrelated to her crusade this time since there are no parallels to Satoshi and Shion's past Why would she do all of this after killing Shion if Oryu and Kimiyoshi were already killed by Shion? If the mayor and the old hag are dead then Mion doesnt have to go to extremes to change the village. She probably doesnt have to even if they are alive. |
| Considering that Ryuu only had to write half of an episode for the whole arc, this was extremely bad! I mean, come on, Keichi opened a jail cell with just running into it? WTF That worse than the 100 knife stabs survival. "Shion almost killed me with a ladder, sure I'll go to her home and go into the basement with her. Also I'll just stand near the door of the cell just after she mentions that she want's to keep me " Was the original this bad too? With all the theories here, I think you guys put more effort into it than Ryuu did. Seems like this is just another cash grab with no soul. |
jTiKey said: One thing can't be denied is that Keiichi looks extremely dumb in Gou. I'm reading the VN, so, since it's a 1st person view, you can see how intelligent he turns out to be, thinking carefully his acts even in the depths of paranoia. But even in the original adaptation, he was a big cut above those 'horror movie victims'. I'm not saying he was a genius, he did a lot of stupid mistakes, but he used to think rationally.Considering that Ryuu only had to write half of an episode for the whole arc, this was extremely bad! I mean, come on, Keichi opened a jail cell with just running into it? WTF That worse than the 100 knife stabs survival. "Shion almost killed me with a ladder, sure I'll go to her home and go into the basement with her. Also I'll just stand near the door of the cell just after she mentions that she want's to keep me " Was the original this bad too? With all the theories here, I think you guys put more effort into it than Ryuu did. Seems like this is just another cash grab with no soul. |
| Did I watch the same episode as you guys? In what way is this episode tense? The whole arc feels like it's just building up to when shit finally happens but then everyone is just dead offscreen. The whole thing feels like a really shitty attempt at retelling the old arcs and they just change the culprit to someone different because "haha the old fans are going to be shook when the culprit is different". This arc completely removed the whole mystery aspect and every single thing that made the old one interesting. Absolutely nothing fucking happened in this whole arc and it completely wrapped what the characters were supposed to be. Rika probably gave up without putting in any effort even though it contradicts her whole character because she realized that she is gonna be stuck in another shitshow made by some suits who want to milk Higurashi one last time. |
rafaelfserafim said: jTiKey said: One thing can't be denied is that Keiichi looks extremely dumb in Gou. I'm reading the VN, so, since it's a 1st person view, you can see how intelligent he turns out to be, thinking carefully his acts even in the depths of paranoia. But even in the original adaptation, he was a big cut above those 'horror movie victims'. I'm not saying he was a genius, he did a lot of stupid mistakes, but he used to think rationally.Considering that Ryuu only had to write half of an episode for the whole arc, this was extremely bad! I mean, come on, Keichi opened a jail cell with just running into it? WTF That worse than the 100 knife stabs survival. "Shion almost killed me with a ladder, sure I'll go to her home and go into the basement with her. Also I'll just stand near the door of the cell just after she mentions that she want's to keep me " Was the original this bad too? With all the theories here, I think you guys put more effort into it than Ryuu did. Seems like this is just another cash grab with no soul. Even in the VN you could see that he love his friends and trusts them, in Watanagashi Shion did the same ladder thing to him and later on he apologized to her and went alone with her in the underground room, he's always trusting his friends too much (except in Onikakushi, but even there he wanted to trust them but couldn't). In Gou they're trying to show that by his actions without focusing on his thoughts to tell you he trusts his friends. |
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Vongalaxy said: Did I watch the same episode as you guys? In what way is this episode tense? The whole arc feels like it's just building up to when shit finally happens but then everyone is just dead offscreen. The whole thing feels like a really shitty attempt at retelling the old arcs and they just change the culprit to someone different because "haha the old fans are going to be shook when the culprit is different". This arc completely removed the whole mystery aspect and every single thing that made the old one interesting. Absolutely nothing fucking happened in this whole arc and it completely wrapped what the characters were supposed to be. Rika probably gave up without putting in any effort even though it contradicts her whole character because she realized that she is gonna be stuck in another shitshow made by some suits who want to milk Higurashi one last time. Absolutely agreed. I think that we won't even get any answer arc. Ryuu will just leave it open ended, and let the fans write better theories than he would. |
Vongalaxy said: Did I watch the same episode as you guys? In what way is this episode tense? The whole arc feels like it's just building up to when shit finally happens but then everyone is just dead offscreen. The whole thing feels like a really shitty attempt at retelling the old arcs and they just change the culprit to someone different because "haha the old fans are going to be shook when the culprit is different". This arc completely removed the whole mystery aspect and every single thing that made the old one interesting. Absolutely nothing fucking happened in this whole arc and it completely wrapped what the characters were supposed to be. Rika probably gave up without putting in any effort even though it contradicts her whole character because she realized that she is gonna be stuck in another shitshow made by some suits who want to milk Higurashi one last time. "they just change the culprit to someone different" We don't know that, it's probably still and yes the episode is full of mysteries maybe you're the one who watched the wrong episode lol try explaining what happened to us please because it seems no one here can figure it out. |
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Vongalaxy said: Rika probably gave up without putting in any effort even though it contradicts her whole character because she realized that she is gonna be stuck in another shitshow made by some suits who want to milk Higurashi one last time. this phrase lmao, i'm wheezing |
rafaelfserafim said: ArcueidBestGirl said: When it comes to "where the fuck is Rena", I always come to a "Rule W" of some sort. I never said that she opens the door. But if the people outside of the mansion are indeed the police, then Rena did help Keiichi in some way(not going to say how). I'm as clueless as you are when it comes to Rena's location, but I think she is safe somewhere (though probably mentally broken since everyone died). And a pattern I've noticed in Gou is: Now, about the twins, a question: I think Mion and Shion swapped places when they were little, so when Keiichi gave the doll, he gave it to Shion, not Mion. |
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Tsukumo_Yuuma said: He did have a choice about going or not to the basement, but he didn't go to her house alone. And they also had 30 minutes before the police would break in. So he had some sort of warranty rafaelfserafim said: One thing can't be denied is that Keiichi looks extremely dumb in Gou. I'm reading the VN, so, since it's a 1st person view, you can see how intelligent he turns out to be, thinking carefully his acts even in the depths of paranoia. But even in the original adaptation, he was a big cut above those 'horror movie victims'. I'm not saying he was a genius, he did a lot of stupid mistakes, but he used to think rationally. Even in the VN you could see that he love his friends and trusts them, in Watanagashi Shion did the same ladder thing to him and later on he apologized to her and went alone with her in the underground room, he's always trusting his friends too much (except in Onikakushi, but even there he wanted to trust them but couldn't). In Gou they're trying to show that by his actions without focusing on his thoughts to tell you he trusts his friends. |
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A detail drew my attention. Has Rika been strangled to death? And by hand? Seems odd, especially considering how the bodies in the well have no details concerning the cause of death. |
rafaelfserafim said: Tsukumo_Yuuma said: He did have a choice about going or not to the basement, but he didn't go to her house alone. And they also had 30 minutes before the police would break in. So he had some sort of warranty Even in the VN you could see that he love his friends and trusts them, in Watanagashi Shion did the same ladder thing to him and later on he apologized to her and went alone with her in the underground room, he's always trusting his friends too much (except in Onikakushi, but even there he wanted to trust them but couldn't). In Gou they're trying to show that by his actions without focusing on his thoughts to tell you he trusts his friends. yeah he's never careful around his friends, he's always trusting them too much. The last scene in Watanagashi that you mentioned is a good example, |
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Vongalaxy said: Rika probably gave up without putting in any effort even though it contradicts her whole character because she realized that she is gonna be stuck in another shitshow made by some suits who want to milk Higurashi one last time. It isnt like there is an entire entity symbolizing her despair right? That's just what the OG culprit thinks will happen. |
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arrowinger said: A detail drew my attention. Has Rika been strangled to death? And by hand? Seems odd, especially considering how the bodies in the well have no details concerning the cause of death. Nice catch. See?Unlike some people, there are those that can and look or details. |
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| Well this was... impossible to figure. Passione largely still sucks when it comes to animation/direction, but oh well. Satoko seems to always die with someone else in the room and weapon between her and the other person's body, I assume it's a red herring to make you think they tried to kill each other. Mion had marks on her throats, so It's safe to assume she's L5. Given she's aware of the darker secrets of her town, it's possible that rather than paranoid she would turn protective toward her friends, especially K1. I think it's Mion, given I don't see a point in repeating Meakashi again. Curiously, both Rena in the previous arc and Mion in this one seem to have strong feeling toward the curse, Rena was acting to protect her dad while Mion was acting to protect Keiichi. Maybe they are both being played by the actual culprit pushing them. Now I wonder if Satoko will turn against the group in the same vein in the next arc. 'Cuz that theory was bogus. It's actually a huge hint in the original. Vongalaxy said: Absolutely nothing fucking happened in this whole arc and it completely wrapped what the characters were supposed to be. Rika probably gave up without putting in any effort even though it contradicts her whole character because she realized that she is gonna be stuck in another shitshow made by some suits who want to milk Higurashi one last time. Lmao |
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He's wrong, the GHD never happens in Meakashi-hen and Watanagashi-hen where Rika's death is discovered days later. It also didn't happen in the previous arc. |
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| My theory about what happened (Spoilers for the OG story) |
Tsukumo_YuumaNov 19, 2020 1:55 PM
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| So in that alternate version of the second timeline from season1, we can draw that Keiichi giving Mion the doll instead of Rena ultimately changed the outcome of events. Instead of Shion becoming yandere, Mion became one to protect Keiichi. Looking forward to next arc, if I'm right it's the arc with Satoko and her uncle |
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Jin_uzuki said: Well this was... impossible to figure. Passione largely still sucks when it comes to animation/direction, but oh well. tbh i think the animation is good + some of the frames have hints/details in them, it makes me look more carefully to find more hints (i know you said animation but the art quality is good overall, and the backgrounds are great). |
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Jin_uzuki said: He's wrong, the GHD never happens in Meakashi-hen and Watanagashi-hen where Rika's death is discovered days later. It also didn't happen in the previous arc. Well that would be true if Shion killed her, but she didn't. A person who I assume to be apart of the Yamainu(judging from description given in the episode) was the one who killed her. |
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ArcueidBestGirl said: Jin_uzuki said: He's wrong, the GHD never happens in Meakashi-hen and Watanagashi-hen where Rika's death is discovered days later. It also didn't happen in the previous arc. Well that would be true if Shion killed her, but she didn't. A person who I assume to be apart of the Yamainu(judging from description given in the episode) was the one who killed her. |
ArcueidBestGirl said: Jin_uzuki said: He's wrong, the GHD never happens in Meakashi-hen and Watanagashi-hen where Rika's death is discovered days later. It also didn't happen in the previous arc. Well that would be true if Shion killed her, but she didn't. A person who I assume to be apart of the Yamainu(judging from description given in the episode) was the one who killed her. The point is that no one goes crazy if Rika dies, Hifumi's theory was wrong. More than 48 hours pass in the original Meakashi/Watanagashi and nothing happens, and the GHD is ironically prevented as they can't pull Emergency Manual #34. |
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| This is great, now THIS was a good end and looking at the comments, lots of subtle hints were given, I love it. The first arc made me worried but this one was fire, I hope they're gonna do Satoko justice. |
| I was 100% sure this arc was a remake so I'm happy I was mistaken. Love the ending and a lot of questions are still in the air. I want more please! |
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| The question that is always in my mind when I see one of the two sisters show up: "Was this *actually* Mion?" And I'm pretty sure it was this time, but never 100% certain. Since I'm operating under the fairly safe assumption that it actually *was* Mion, I find it interesting to see how Mion "goes crazy." She was not manic, laughing/screaming, or flailing and frothing at the mouth, like pretty much everyone else that fails their sanity check in this series. She was methodical and exacting, and by comparison was pretty stable... just don't ask her to support a ladder for you. Also, as has been the case with a lot of the later episodes in the original series, this one had less of a feeling of horror and more of sadness. The entire jail cell + escape scene just hit like a Greek tragedy, and I enjoyed that. Was it just me, or was the pistol on the floor a different type from the one Mion pulled out of the drawer? She initially had a revolver, but the one laying on the floor looked like a semi-automatic, but maybe the art was just too dark and blurred to make out properly. Looking forward to the answer-arch for this one. |
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| @ssjokg @Jin_uzuki Ah, my bad. |
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I honestly thought about it because I feel like everything's fitting too perfectly and I don't like it, doesn't sit right with me (or maybe im just being biased when it comes to Mion). Also considering the different gun and their expressions and body/blood positions makes it seem like they were both shot. It really feels like Yamainu is more involved in everything this time and since we don't know how long it took for the police to appear and how much time passed since they found the bodies and all it's hard to point anything as 100% true. For why Satoko was there by herself, idk, could be because of something related to Rika's disappearence although her behaviour this arc has seemed a bit off overall for me... Anyway, one of the great things about Higurashi is reading everyone's theories, it's really nice. |
 "In the past few months since we met, I've shared many memories with Nagato. Though I've also shared memories with Haruhi, Asahina-san and Koizumi, I found that I've experienced more events with Nagato in particular. In fact, every situation seems to involve her. I might as well mention this, she's probably the only person to cause the bell within me to shake the most vigorously..." ~ Kyon, TMOSH |
Rex_Ivan said: Was it just me, or was the pistol on the floor a different type from the one Mion pulled out of the drawer? She initially had a revolver, but the one laying on the floor looked like a semi-automatic, but maybe the art was just too dark and blurred to make out properly. Looking forward to the answer-arch for this one. Yes it's a different gun/pistol (whatever) |
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Rex_Ivan said: it is definitely a different gun.Was it just me, or was the pistol on the floor a different type from the one Mion pulled out of the drawer? She initially had a revolver, but the one laying on the floor looked like a semi-automatic, but maybe the art was just too dark and blurred to make out properly. Looking forward to the answer-arch for this one. Unless if the twist is that Keichi was paranoid and saw a revolver for some reason. |
#34 is... 34's plan. So if they are out of the picture unlike in the original then there is no reason for the Yamainu to act. "Tokyo" doesn't really care if #34 is carried out. |
| i miss the tension and suspense from the old anime. don't get me wrong, i'm enjoying the new content, but at the same time i don't feel anything by watching the new anime (while i still feel uncomfy/can feel the tension when watching the old anime). like the atmosphere is completely different and i don't feel much emotions now and everything feels rushed and kinda... anticlimatic? even when they used the track from the old OST i felt it felt kinda forced. idk, i'm not exactly feeling the new anime and honestly feel kinda sad for people whose first higurashi anime will be gou. that being said, i still think it was shion who did the killings but watanagashi & meakashi-hen were my favourite higurashi chapters so i'm kinda unsure about this new content as it is kinda more on the boring side for now. i also still hope that gou will give shion a bit more time to shine... ;_; she's my best girl. i wonder when they'll finally mention satoshi lol |
| I really wish witches and the meta world were a part of this Higurashi. Theory making is fine and all but I kinda wish we had those theory and truth exchanges in the show... which are also a way to tell the viewer "you are fucking wrong, you incompetent fool". ....yes I want a remake of Umineko, how could you tell? |
| I loved the episode but am feeling a bit so-so given that Mion, in the original, was known for being the one character in the main cast who never snapped or killed anyone. They still kept it IC but I just sat and waited for the ”Shion in disguise” reveal. That aside I wonder if it was actually Mion who shook the ladder when Keiichi was in school or Shion. Rena in the previous episode spoke something about ”looks deceiving” in regards to Mion’s hidden girly side, but it could also be an unintentional allusion to it actually being her twin. They could definitely have switched sometime after Mion/Shion got home and before meeting Keiichi that same evening (as in Keiichi follows Mion to the house soon after Shion has died). Alternatively Shion killed Rika, Satoko and Mion before she led Keiichi to the dungeon then killed herself. Which would explain why Mion was found shot together with Satoko in a corridor of the house right after leaving Keiichi despite the dungeon being surrounded already and she shouldn’t have been able to leave (unless her body was moved). Doesn’t explain the clothes being different on Shion’s corpse though now that I think of it. Aaaaaas I really love when shows allow fans to throw around theories like this |
ssjokg said: I really wish witches and the meta world were a part of this Higurashi. Theory making is fine and all but I kinda wish we had those theory and truth exchanges in the show... which are also a way to tell the viewer "you are fucking wrong, you incompetent fool". ....yes I want a remake of Umineko, how could you tell? Maybe that's the reason why Featherine exists in this anime. |
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ArcueidBestGirl said: ssjokg said: I really wish witches and the meta world were a part of this Higurashi. Theory making is fine and all but I kinda wish we had those theory and truth exchanges in the show... which are also a way to tell the viewer "you are fucking wrong, you incompetent fool". ....yes I want a remake of Umineko, how could you tell? Maybe that's the reason why Featherine exists in this anime. If we're lucky they gonna adapt umineko next after this, would be nice since THERE IS NO UMINEKO ANIME. |
Hero_Luka said: If we're lucky they gonna adapt umineko next after this, would be nice since THERE IS NO UMINEKO ANIME. Just like how there is no Tsukihime anime either. |
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ArcueidBestGirl said: ssjokg said: I really wish witches and the meta world were a part of this Higurashi. Theory making is fine and all but I kinda wish we had those theory and truth exchanges in the show... which are also a way to tell the viewer "you are fucking wrong, you incompetent fool". ....yes I want a remake of Umineko, how could you tell? Maybe that's the reason why Featherine exists in this anime. We need two witches for that game tho. Unless some poor human has to face her. Humans vs witches never ended well for the humans. |
ssjokg said: We need two witches for that game tho. Unless some poor human has to face her. Humans vs witches never ended well for the humans. Rika/Bernkastel can be the other witch, though you are right, humans vs. witches won't end well. |
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