Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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Aug 19, 2020 1:32 PM
#101
Atavistic said: Beatrice's Gospel is a different one. Subaru only showed her his (the one he got from Petelgeuse) but never gave her. It still should be with his belongings in the Sanctuary.Now, while I'm sure that's at least partially a lie - as Beatrice has shown tsundere traits before and clearly cares for Subaru on some level (in this very scene, in fact, she not only heals him a little but also stops him killing himself again) - I have to assume there's at least a kernel of truth in it, not least because we've already had strong suggestions about Beatrice having ties to the cult when she seemed to mourn Betelgeuse's death (and get angry at Subaru for causing it). And that's the problem, as I don't see how it can possibly be true that she's always been acting based on the Gospel, or that she is at all. After all, she only just received the Gospel from Subaru at the start of season 2 and, having never left the library in the "successful timeline" (i.e. the timeline everyone besides Subaru is aware of), it's not like she had any means of accessing it beforehand when it was exclusively in Betelgeuse's possession. It seems anime-onlies did not notice something important in this episode, yet. I hope they won't curse me for posting those screenshots... Here are two screenshot from this episode. There are safe but I've used spoiler tag because there are two of them and then other two in the second spoiler tag. And here are two other. One from episode 30 and one from this one. No LN spoiler, just screenshots from the anime. But they might spoil something anime-onlies would like to not know yet. |
mozgowAug 19, 2020 1:38 PM
Aug 19, 2020 1:33 PM
#102
fuck rem fuck emilia we all know that otto best girl |
Aug 19, 2020 1:36 PM
#103
I knew that the conversation between Beatrice and Subaru would become interesting, that surely didn't disappoint! Beatrice showed a whole different side of her this episode, she genuinely really cares for Subaru! The scene where Elsa walked in really seemed like that Beatrice fulfilled Subaru's wish to die, but Beatrice's eyes said it all, she disliked every single bit of seeing Subaru in so much pain or rather be killed right in front of her. Still to this day, I think Beatrice knows a lot more than she is willing to tell us. Perhaps I am wrong about that, but I would love for it to be true! Also Beatrice holding that Gospel sure was a shock for Subaru. Can't wait to see them dive into that deeper. Never really trusted Garfiel and this episode proved why, but I can't really blame him. Subaru has this "Witch's scent" around him after all. I wonder what their side of this story is! Otto MVP! |
Aug 19, 2020 1:39 PM
#104
Subaru's laugh was so realistic, his shouting damn I felt that emotions. This whole episode was an emotional rollercoaster ! Everything is falling apart what we have fought for i am so excited to see how it turns out! |
Aug 19, 2020 1:40 PM
#105
Are you creating a new fan club? :3 |
Aug 19, 2020 1:42 PM
#106
mozgow said: Atavistic said: Beatrice's Gospel is a different one. Subaru only showed her his (the one he got from Petelgeuse) but never gave her. It still should be with his belongings in the Sanctuary.Now, while I'm sure that's at least partially a lie - as Beatrice has shown tsundere traits before and clearly cares for Subaru on some level (in this very scene, in fact, she not only heals him a little but also stops him killing himself again) - I have to assume there's at least a kernel of truth in it, not least because we've already had strong suggestions about Beatrice having ties to the cult when she seemed to mourn Betelgeuse's death (and get angry at Subaru for causing it). And that's the problem, as I don't see how it can possibly be true that she's always been acting based on the Gospel, or that she is at all. After all, she only just received the Gospel from Subaru at the start of season 2 and, having never left the library in the "successful timeline" (i.e. the timeline everyone besides Subaru is aware of), it's not like she had any means of accessing it beforehand when it was exclusively in Betelgeuse's possession. It seems anime-onlies did not notice something important in this episode, yet. I hope they won't curse me for posting those screenshots... Here are two screenshot from this episode. There are safe but I've used spoiler tag because there are two of them and then other two in the second spoiler tag. And here are two other. One from episode 30 and one from this one. No LN spoiler, just screenshots from the anime. But they might spoil something anime-onlies would like to not know yet. Omg, thank you for making me more interested in what a mystery is going on here (no sarcasm) |
Aug 19, 2020 1:51 PM
#107
mozgow said: Atavistic said: Beatrice's Gospel is a different one. Subaru only showed her his (the one he got from Petelgeuse) but never gave her. It still should be with his belongings in the Sanctuary.Now, while I'm sure that's at least partially a lie - as Beatrice has shown tsundere traits before and clearly cares for Subaru on some level (in this very scene, in fact, she not only heals him a little but also stops him killing himself again) - I have to assume there's at least a kernel of truth in it, not least because we've already had strong suggestions about Beatrice having ties to the cult when she seemed to mourn Betelgeuse's death (and get angry at Subaru for causing it). And that's the problem, as I don't see how it can possibly be true that she's always been acting based on the Gospel, or that she is at all. After all, she only just received the Gospel from Subaru at the start of season 2 and, having never left the library in the "successful timeline" (i.e. the timeline everyone besides Subaru is aware of), it's not like she had any means of accessing it beforehand when it was exclusively in Betelgeuse's possession. It seems anime-onlies did not notice something important in this episode, yet. I hope they won't curse me for posting those screenshots... Here are two screenshot from this episode. There are safe but I've used spoiler tag because there are two of them and then other two in the second spoiler tag. And here are two other. One from episode 30 and one from this one. No LN spoiler, just screenshots from the anime. But they might spoil something anime-onlies would like to not know yet. Wait, really? I could have sworn that Subaru gave Beatrice Betelgeuse's Gospel and that was part of why she got so angry at him at that point. Completely misinterpreted that scene in episode 2 then. In which case, I have to retract that entire complaint as I was completely wrong. As for those spoiler-tagged images, nice catch there. That just raises an entirely different question about what's going on in this Sanctuary. |
AtavisticAug 19, 2020 1:55 PM
Aug 19, 2020 2:08 PM
#108
Is anyone trustworthy |
Aug 19, 2020 2:18 PM
#110
Much was already said in this discussion, but there actually was forshadowing for garfield noticing the witch sent. Remember how Garfield asked him the first time to complete the trial in emilias stead, but didnt after his first respawn? (Subaru makes a extra remark on it) Guess why. |
Aug 19, 2020 2:24 PM
#111
mozgow said: Atavistic said: Beatrice's Gospel is a different one. Subaru only showed her his (the one he got from Petelgeuse) but never gave her. It still should be with his belongings in the Sanctuary.Now, while I'm sure that's at least partially a lie - as Beatrice has shown tsundere traits before and clearly cares for Subaru on some level (in this very scene, in fact, she not only heals him a little but also stops him killing himself again) - I have to assume there's at least a kernel of truth in it, not least because we've already had strong suggestions about Beatrice having ties to the cult when she seemed to mourn Betelgeuse's death (and get angry at Subaru for causing it). And that's the problem, as I don't see how it can possibly be true that she's always been acting based on the Gospel, or that she is at all. After all, she only just received the Gospel from Subaru at the start of season 2 and, having never left the library in the "successful timeline" (i.e. the timeline everyone besides Subaru is aware of), it's not like she had any means of accessing it beforehand when it was exclusively in Betelgeuse's possession. It seems anime-onlies did not notice something important in this episode, yet. I hope they won't curse me for posting those screenshots... Here are two screenshot from this episode. There are safe but I've used spoiler tag because there are two of them and then other two in the second spoiler tag. And here are two other. One from episode 30 and one from this one. No LN spoiler, just screenshots from the anime. But they might spoil something anime-onlies would like to not know yet. Idk if its really a spoiler considering the OP/ED. But also ty cause I knew something was bothering me about ryuzu's intro today but couldn't figure out what. |
Aug 19, 2020 2:28 PM
#112
Best boy Otto coming in clutch in the end there. It was a nice way to conclude the episode. |
Aug 19, 2020 2:30 PM
#113
I'm so glad that Otto has become more of a central character cause I've loved him since the battle to defeat the Whale. He's so adorable and I just hope that there isn't an ulterior motive to him helping Subaru! That reveal about Beatrice just following the Gospel all along broke my heart. I think it's obvious she didn't do everything just cause the book told her to - she definitely cares about Subaru - but to even consider that she has a link to the Witch Cultists is devastating. I'm so confused by Garfiel... like, is he a good guy? Is he a bad guy? I just don't know. It seems to purely depend on the timeline. Also, I wonder why he can so freely change up what he does in each timeline when the others around Subaru don't seem to. |
Aug 19, 2020 2:32 PM
#114
Damn that Beatrice scene hurt my heart. Definitely did not want to see such a painful interaction between her and Subaru. That being said I only have more questions about Beatrice's mysterious role. What role does she play in/with the Witch's Cultists? Why is she bound by the book? Who is this Mother she speaks of. So many questions. Looking forward to the next episode! |
Aug 19, 2020 2:35 PM
#115
Atavistic said: This was probably one of my least favourite episodes of Re:ZERO so far. For starters, I'm disappointed that Garfiel was reacting to the Witch's Scent on Subaru and that the potential for him to be part of the conservative faction was a red herring: it makes sense, but I feel like it would have been much more interesting for Garfiel be part of the conservative faction, rather than just being rehashing the early stages of Rem's character arc in season 1 by attacking Subaru because of the Scent on him. That aside, I'm sure the detail about Frederica only being a quarter beast will have some relevance later, but at this point it doesn't feel important enough to justify how much time was spent telling us that fact; all it really does for now it shut people down who would call Frederica's exit a potential plot hole. Seeing Otto get a more important role and help Subaru out was nice, though, as he's been seriously underutilised so far. And then there's the opening scene with Beatrice, which in all honesty just completely confused me. I understand why Subaru was angry at Beatrice in the circumstances, but not to the sheer extent that he was. As for Beatrice, she seemed to be panicked until she found the Gospel lying on the floor, but this is where I (EDIT) become a total dumbass and get confused based on a misinterpretation of the Gospel situation: namely, not realising that Beatrice had her own and thinking that Subaru gave her Betelgeuse's. Even before the mention of this mysterious Mother figure, that whole scene threw me off so much that it completely soured the rest of the episode for me, as it not only confused me but wrongfully felt contradictory based on my misinterpretations of episode 27. I hope Subaru can get back to the mansion again soon and we can get some further clarity on Beatrice's situation; if Subaru could remember that Roswaal told him a way to get Beatrice to explain everything, that would also be great. Before you edited 'em out, about the thing you've said about Beatrice wasn't being fully truthful, I thought the same too. The emotions she showed before her Gospel was revealed seemed pretty legit enough to be her true emotions. Now, regarding those emotions that she showed while facing Subaru, well this is just my opinion, but... (MIGHT CONTAIN HUGE SPOILER IF TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE) Instead of having a relationship with the Cult, I think Beatrice had a personal connection with Betelgeuse in the past instead. I read up some topics about Betelgeuse himself before and learned that he used to be a straight man (not the lunatic that we know) hundreds of years in the past. Also, he was known with his nickname of "Geuse" and that exact nickname was the one Beatrice used to refer Betelgeuse back in Episode 27. Some of the things Subaru said or did in Beatrice's room might have been similar to what happened with Betelgeuse back in the past in which triggered her emotions. Oh, about Betelgeuse being a straight man, you can see the illustration of Volume 14 of the LN and there it shows the completely normal still Betelgeuse Romanee-Conti. |
WarDest3nyAug 19, 2020 2:42 PM
Aug 19, 2020 3:05 PM
#116
WarDest3ny said: Now, regarding those emotions that she showed while facing Subaru, well this is just my opinion, but... (MIGHT CONTAIN HUGE SPOILER IF TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE) While speculation isn't really something I'd call a spoiler even if it turned out to be true, there are pretty major bits of information hidden in the covers of the novels, some more obvious than others. So if you didn't read the story and don't want to be spoiled, that is something I would avoid in general. |
Aug 19, 2020 3:24 PM
#117
Holy shit, I was expecting Garfiel to come out any moment and shove his claws in Otto's heart.This episode was pure 5/5 |
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Aug 19, 2020 3:34 PM
#118
That was such an unexpected development of events! Yet it was all hinted at and it all makes sense. God the writer is a genius. I love Otto so much now. Not to mention Ram being the best as always. It was really tough to see Subaru remember everything and having to face Beatrice telling him he doesn't matter (but is it true?). That laugh when Otto told him he's his friend really nailed down his characterization from the episode with his backstory. I love it. |
Aug 19, 2020 3:42 PM
#119
Not really sure how I should interpret the Beatrice... reveal? Idk. The real question is how tf did Otto break into that cell to free Subaru. |
Aug 19, 2020 3:47 PM
#120
All my speculations from post from previous episode are untouched. A little annoyed and disappointed because Subaru STILL didn't ask Beatrice the question he was told to tell her. This was first episode i didn't like that much. It was just ok. Not sure if it's only because it was on the beginning of the episode, but as im kind of emotional person, i was suprised that i didn't feel anything on scene with Beatrice and Elsa. The only thing we understand from that scene is that Beatrice probably has inner conflict about her feelings and her life and everything she was doing (or at least its what she said to Subaru - she could lie about doing something eg. saving him even if it wasnt part of what was written). But that's something that at least for now, doesnt answer to any of our questions nor creates any new theories. To be honest it was first episode i feel i could kinda live without watching. The only good scene was with Otto and crying Subaru who realize he got to the point he suspects and analizes everything and everyone and doesn't realize someone like Otto could be just his friend and someone would help him just for that reason. It was heartwarming We had one more scene where we learn they can feel the scent of witch from Subaru but that doesn't tell us literally nothing. We can't say that they are from group that doesnt want the barrier to be taken down or anything else. They just could sense it and are afraid of Subaru being part of the cult. They also said witche's remains are inside but i think it was something we could (i did at least) guess before. So yea.. not really content-full episode, im kinda sad Beatrice didnt get more impactful scene~ i doubt i missed something important but hope someone found something interesting in this episode we could missed. I guess need to watch it later again edit. owh shiet, didn't realiaze i missed so important last scene with Rem's HA :D |
StarAloneAug 19, 2020 3:52 PM
Aug 19, 2020 3:50 PM
#121
Araphaenon said: yeah that cover is pretty huge lolWarDest3ny said: Now, regarding those emotions that she showed while facing Subaru, well this is just my opinion, but... (MIGHT CONTAIN HUGE SPOILER IF TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE) While speculation isn't really something I'd call a spoiler even if it turned out to be true, there are pretty major bits of information hidden in the covers of the novels, some more obvious than others. So if you didn't read the story and don't want to be spoiled, that is something I would avoid in general. I mean I was told as much because of people talking about the like 5 frames he's in for frozen bond lol Like I'm pretty glad I got spoiled on a little bit of this arc cause every time I scroll to the bottom and see the ad for the manga store on mobile LOL |
Aug 19, 2020 4:13 PM
#122
I feel cheated after last week's cliffhanger. We barely got anything lol. I wonder who this "Mother" is. It's probably not Satella so maybe it's one of the other witches hm. And what's up with Ryuzu changing colors and names. Are they 2 different people or just split personalities in one body? |
Aug 19, 2020 4:29 PM
#123
Aug 19, 2020 4:33 PM
#124
The scene between Otto and Subaru was super wholesome. It’s nice seeing Subaru make some genuine friends, and seeing Subaru laugh for once makes my heart happy :) |
Aug 19, 2020 4:49 PM
#125
Can't believe they stretched 5 minutes of content into a 25 minute episode |
Aug 19, 2020 5:05 PM
#126
Dude...the Beatrice moment was crazy. Now I understand why she always says "I suppose" because the book tells her what to do and not what she wants to do. I mean that's how I am interpreting it. However the look on her face when Elsa killed Subaru showed that she actually does care. Dude her screaming out "Mother" makes me think that Echidna is Beatrice's mother in some form. Unless it's another Witch that is a possibility. Damn I hope the Subaru and Otto friendship moment will not be erased...however I think it is done for. It's already been three days and Subaru is severely behind schedule to Save Frederica, Petra and Rem back at the castle. Smug Ram had me laughing so hard at the end lol. |
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Aug 19, 2020 5:40 PM
#127
Ol’ Garfiel is kind of a villain, or at least pretty confused this episode. |
Aug 19, 2020 5:53 PM
#128
Garfiel could have figured that Ram already noticed the witches scent, which she and Rem did and talked to her about it first, but that's not his style, it's more fun to arrest and torture Barusu |
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Aug 19, 2020 5:53 PM
#129
But he still didn't told her the password, right? Is the Gospel kinda plot hole though? I mean, its contents has to change with every Subaru's decision as everytime what happens is a bit different. Second thing - the last time Roswaal basically confirmed it was he who purposefully manipulated Emilia and Subaru into conflict with Witch Cult.. and when we realize that Beatrice also does what she reads there and saves Subaru from Elsa accordingly, we may as well think that the mastermind behind Elsa and Betelgeuse is actually the same person and the reason is Subaru's RbD training. I have a feeling that either Witch herself or Roswal have something in the past that needs to be changed and all that Subaru is going through is just preparation for what he would be asked to do later. I mean, the way those time-travel stories works is that in the end, he would need to go to the very beginning, even past his saves and do one simple thing that fixes everything (possibly remove himself from this world completely to thwart the witch's plan). But before, he will meet someone unaffected by RbD. |
Aug 19, 2020 6:13 PM
#130
mozgow said: I thought it would end a little bit later, but it's a good place to end an episode :-) If I remember correctly this is the first time Beatrice mentioned Mother in the anime, right? Yep, unless you count Memory Snow. |
Aug 19, 2020 6:29 PM
#131
Atavistic said: And then there's the opening scene with Beatrice, which in all honesty just completely confused me. I understand why Subaru was angry at Beatrice in the circumstances, but not to the sheer extent that he was. Subaru was about to enter the room Rem was staying, so Rem wouldn't get killed by Elsa. Instead Beatrice brought him into her room, which means when Elsa opened the door it was just Rem in there with no Subaru. Subaru is upset because now Elsa has killed Rem, and Beatrice for some reason only wanted to save Subaru when she had the means to save others as well. I think it makes sense why Subaru is as angry as he is. |
Aug 19, 2020 6:37 PM
#132
Maruseru93 said: Emillian said: It feels odd but i wanna ask. If the mother of Frederica and Garfield was a human and their dads were both half humans, how Garfield doesn t have the same blood ratio as her sister (him being 1/2 but she being 1/4)? I had an argument with a friend about this and i wanna figure this out. ^_^ they have the same mother a human BUT garfiels father was pureblood beastman so thats why he is half and fredericas father was halfblood so half beastman half human that why she was even less then half and could pass the barrier When they mentioned about Freda and Garf common human mother, the episode ended to me and could not stop to think about something: - Freda/Garf's Mother has a truly furry fetish. - Being pregnant of a half-beast was ok, and then Freda, the older, was born... but i guess that be pregnant of a pure beast was too much for her. ------------------ NoviSun said: Ol’ Garfiel is kind of a villain, or at least pretty confused this episode. The anime skipped the explanation about the miasma scent from the Light Novel. It is a totally new information for anime only's. Each time the RbD is used to the SAME checkpoint, the miasma of the Witch gets stronger right after the return. (what can be a plot hole, or in the White Wale quest checkpoint, Rem should be surprised, should show any surprise that from nothing the miasma of Subaru EXPLODED in the middle of street, by the last time he returned to the capital) That is all here, check out: “A-a Witch’s miasma from my body…?” “Thaaat’s right. Don’t ya dare try and act like ya didn’t know. It’s real bad in yer case.” “…And when I…came out of the tomb, it was thicker…?” It had changed because he had taken the Tri—no, because he had Returned by Death. Over the course of being revived by the power of the Witch, its color, its scent, thickened as it entwined around Subaru’s existence. —Rem had called it the aroma… “The lingering scent of the Witch…!” “Ha!! An interestin’ name for it. It’s the stench of one smelly Witch!!” The moment after he wrung out his voice, Garfiel violently hurled Subaru onto the floor. Unable to break his fall, Subaru slammed shoulder-first with the floor. The dull pain would have made him let out a moan, but he forced it back inside, cursing the awfulness of his situation anew. Once upon a time, it had been the trigger for Rem to suspect Subaru, and this had caused his death more than once. —Once again, the lingering scent of the Witch reared its ugly head before Subaru to impede him once more. “_____” “What do ya wanna go into the tomb for? What are you plannin’? It’s a Witch’s tomb. Ain’t nothin’ good, that’s for sure.” Every time he’d returned, he’d decided Garfiel’s shifts in attitude were based on whim. He was wrong. The changes in Garfiel’s demeanor were based on the changes in the density of the miasma enveloping Subaru. That was why, the first time around, when the miasma was thinnest around him, he’d proposed that Subaru clear the tomb, and why, ever since, as the density of the miasma increased, he became visibly distrustful of Subaru. It was also why, that time around, he had landed in a cell. —And for Subaru, that fact meant his situation was bad to the extreme. “_____” His relationship with Garfiel had worsened because of Return by Death and would worsen further according to the number of times he did so. On top of that, with the restart point being the tomb, he was overwhelmingly short on time to improve that relationship. When they’d first met, Rem had likewise viewed Subaru as dangerous due to the miasma, but even so, she deferred judgment while she kept him under her eye. But the short-tempered Garfiel would do no such thing. If he saw the miasma enveloping Subaru as a danger, he wouldn’t flinch from instantly eliminating that danger. “W-wait… if that’s so, why did you lock me in here…?” “Huhhhh?” “You said I’m abnormal… If you decided it’s dangerous to let me in the tomb, it’s… weird that you’d lock me in here like this. Why didn’t you get rid of me…?” “Get rid of you! Hah! Man, stuff like that just rolls off yer tongue!!” Subaru’s query drew a sharp exhale as Garfiel clicked his tongue in disgust. “Me, if I could, I’d have done it already. But no can do.” “Can’t do it…?” “Because ya did a good job of wormin’ in with other people, that’s why. If I get hasty ’n’ lay a hand on ya, it’ll be an explosion like the Fall of Fort Tesla. No thanks.” ----------------------------------- mozgow said: Atavistic said: Beatrice's Gospel is a different one. Subaru only showed her his (the one he got from Petelgeuse) but never gave her. It still should be with his belongings in the Sanctuary.Now, while I'm sure that's at least partially a lie - as Beatrice has shown tsundere traits before and clearly cares for Subaru on some level (in this very scene, in fact, she not only heals him a little but also stops him killing himself again) - I have to assume there's at least a kernel of truth in it, not least because we've already had strong suggestions about Beatrice having ties to the cult when she seemed to mourn Betelgeuse's death (and get angry at Subaru for causing it). And that's the problem, as I don't see how it can possibly be true that she's always been acting based on the Gospel, or that she is at all. After all, she only just received the Gospel from Subaru at the start of season 2 and, having never left the library in the "successful timeline" (i.e. the timeline everyone besides Subaru is aware of), it's not like she had any means of accessing it beforehand when it was exclusively in Betelgeuse's possession. It seems anime-onlies did not notice something important in this episode, yet. I hope they won't curse me for posting those screenshots... Here are two screenshot from this episode. There are safe but I've used spoiler tag because there are two of them and then other two in the second spoiler tag. And here are two other. One from episode 30 and one from this one. No LN spoiler, just screenshots from the anime. But they might spoil something anime-onlies would like to not know yet. Ahh, here you can see that the change of time for Ryuzu Bilma introduction messed a bit the obvious conclusion for the Anime Only's. As i read the manga 1st, this opposition was pretty clear since the start, that the black Ryuzu... is not the white Ryuzu |
Rob7Aug 19, 2020 6:52 PM
Aug 19, 2020 6:58 PM
#133
Interesting Twist with Beatrice, I already thought something was up with her, I now wonder what are the other characters that knew for her, Puck? But he still trusted spent time with her despite that? |
Aug 19, 2020 6:58 PM
#134
Just glad my boy Otto finally gets some recognition. He may be an opporunitist but at his core he's a nice guy in a crazy world of monsters. Now he comes through (even after I began to doubt him) DAWIII said: why is nobody talking about this adorable of a smile/laugh that Ram gave us at the end of the episode I think people missed the post credits scene but yeah we should be talking about it |
Aug 19, 2020 6:59 PM
#135
It's something how this episode started with yelling and anger, but ended with laughter and relief. Otto was the homie this episode. I mean, I did expect him to say something around the lines of "'Cause we're friends" when Subaru asked why he saved him, but it's still a genuine act regardless |
Aug 19, 2020 7:12 PM
#136
Nice moment when Otto calls the power of Friendship over Subaru. And when Subaru 1st bullied but in the deep of heart he was happy to hear it. Would be a pity if this touching moment happened to be "erased" by another Subaru's death and return. Would be really a pity.... What? I dont know! I'm an anime only now without spoilers, that just would be a pity right? |
Aug 19, 2020 7:16 PM
#137
One of the best things of ReZero is when Subaru comes back, and his actions really change everything, holy hell! Now Garfiel is his enemy, yet he was his "friend" in the past lives. Another absolutely crazy episode, the more i watch the more i feel bad for Subaru, gotta be insanely tough knowing what will happen in the future and your actions alarm everyone and they think of you as an enemy. Glad that Otto did what had to be done, i would say he is the MVP but in ReZero if Subaru is suffering, he is the MVP. The whole laughing scene was pretty sad when you know what happened to him in the last hours... The most painful part was for sure the Beatrice scene....wtf! I'm speechless, ofc we don't know yet what is happening but watching Bea contradict her own book, yet she can't save those who are at the mansion. On top of that, why was she holding the Gospel and said she follows the mother's orders? whaaaaaaaaaaat! Yet she was sad when he died, lmao ok, what did you expect Beaco? I Also, Emilia failed again the tests, wonder if Subaru will pass them or they will find a way to leave. Now we have even more mysteries... And that ending, oh boy! I wonder if Ram will make Garfiel turn back to normal... |
Aug 19, 2020 7:26 PM
#138
Beatrice obviously cares about Subaru; that was made really obvious. I wonder how much of the rest of her story is accurate though. It could be a red herring too. I am surprised that Subaru did not try harder to convince Garfiel. There are so many people who can testify that Subaru has been fighting against the Witch Cult. In fact, shouldn't Garfiel already be aware of it, or have they neglected telling him? Solid episode overall. It focused on character moments more than average. The pacing was also better than in some earlier episodes, let alone in season 1, which dragged its feet in comparison. |
TheDeedsOfMenAug 19, 2020 7:30 PM
Aug 19, 2020 7:39 PM
#139
And again, the subtlest of changes causes some huge change with consequences. Was Subaru's calm demeanor what led to Garfiel leading him out to the clearing? Why did they kidnap him? Was he protected from being kidnapped the last time because he confessed that he passed the trial with witnesses present? So Garfiel can smell the "witch scent" on Subaru too... is that the root of his suspicion? Just like with Rem, he thinks Subaru is a cultist plotting something? The complexity here is driving me nuts! In a world of absurd people who care more about rationality and oaths, Subaru finally found a friend. I teared up too realizing that Otto saved him not because of money or what he'd get out of it, but because they're friends. It's such a cheesy line in so many other shows, but here it's so easy to forget just how little should be required to be friends with someone. Thank you Otto. |
Aug 19, 2020 7:40 PM
#140
mozgow said: fullofregrets09 said: I know. Someone else has already mentioned that :-)mozgow said: I thought it would end a little bit later, but it's a good place to end an episode :-) If I remember correctly this is the first time Beatrice mentioned Mother in the anime, right? She was mentioned in the Memory Snow OVA when she said that her mother told her not to drink alcohol. Mother has been mentioned in the LN before (first time in arc 3) but I wasn't sure if it was in the anime or not. It would be the 2nd time in the the anime series itself if the adaptation from Light Novel had not skipped the conversation of Subaru and Betty in the Mansion when he tried to evacuate her from there, before the last fight aggainst Petelgeuse. As you know as a novel reader, it all was replaced in the 1st half of Ep. 24 of Season 1. And that is a moment that i really PRAISE the adaptation, because that was skipped for better. Subaru avoiding to talk with Beako and in special, with Puck, turned the events more smooth and natural. That IMHO was the 2nd best relevant change in the adaptation from LN to anime, being the 1st, the best "cut", the GIGANTIC USELESS (until this moment at least) DISTRACTION of Aldebaran being another person summoned from Subaru's world. ugh, i would hate to see it in anime (and Subaru's no-reaction) |
Rob7Aug 19, 2020 7:45 PM
Aug 19, 2020 7:58 PM
#141
It's really nice seeing Subaru laughing his ass off after all that suffering he went through the past episodes. Otto best boy confirmed. Gotta love seeing him blushing dude. And yeah many questions rose up again after this episode. I'm really curious about Beatrice true character and backstory. Good episode overall. |
Aug 19, 2020 8:03 PM
#142
Aug 19, 2020 8:40 PM
#143
It is just me or anyone else also is thinking that this episode was a BIG THICC JUICY Death Flag for our best boy Otto? TheDeedsOfMen said: I am surprised that Subaru did not try harder to convince Garfiel. There are so many people who can testify that Subaru has been fighting against the Witch Cult. In fact, shouldn't Garfiel already be aware of it, or have they neglected telling him? Garfield surely knows that Subaru fighted the Witch Cult, but something that happened contradict (in Garf view at least) all that he heard: the Witch Miasma of Subaru got stronger to the point that Garfiel thought it too suspitious. It is only explained in the Light Novel. And Subaru's miasma is not something that Ram could have explaneid to Garfiel. In fact we are not even sure if Ram can smell it like Rem did. |
Aug 19, 2020 8:56 PM
#144
I’m kind of tired of Subaru needing to figure out everything alone, why’s everyone so closed to share information and why Subaru has this kind of chosen one responsibility when he knows nothing about how this world really works, without mentioning that he’s weak compared to people that normally surrounds him, it’s like he’s not suited for the job. Beatrice follows the gospel’s instructions, so, what’s really written in there, and how Elsa found that room. So, Lewes Birma is Ryuzu Shima, wtf? And why Garfiel reacted that violent. I felt shame for Otto opening how he felt with Subaru, I just hope Subaru also thinks they’re friends, now, where should they go. Every episode is a bunch of mysteries. |
Aug 19, 2020 9:00 PM
#145
Rob7 said: Even so, it seems like a hasty decision to capture Subaru without asking any of the people more familiar with him. There are alternative explanations to the miasma that Garfiel isn't even willing to explore, and the likely consequence is that the barrier won't be dispelled. Now, if Garfiel doesn't actually want to free the people inside the barrier, it is different, but that supposedly isn't the case.TheDeedsOfMen said: I am surprised that Subaru did not try harder to convince Garfiel. There are so many people who can testify that Subaru has been fighting against the Witch Cult. In fact, shouldn't Garfiel already be aware of it, or have they neglected telling him? Garfield surely knows that Subaru fighted the Witch Cult, but something that happened contradict (in Garf view at least) all that he heard: the Witch Miasma of Subaru got stronger to the point that Garfiel thought it too suspitious. It is only explained in the Light Novel. And Subaru's miasma is not something that Ram could have explaneid to Garfiel. In fact we are not even sure if Ram can smell it like Rem did. |
Aug 19, 2020 9:03 PM
#146
Way too much to unpack here. But I'll try. Anime Only speaking btw. Ryuzu changing her name and clothes - good catch by the previous poster. Side note: I find it odd how Subaru is getting closer and closer to skirt around the topic of Return By Death without explicitly stating it. Saying things like "This time" to Roswaal and "Everything will be rewritten and this horrible present will be set in stone!" Could just be my imagination but I find it funny. Same eyes as Roswaal line by Garfiel caught my attention the most. Could mean that he has a similar ability as Subaru. One where he either can see all future possibilities or he can "maneuver" through timelines and plant himself in the ones that suit him best. The dialogue he spoke in the previous episode made me think that either of my theories were true. |
Aug 19, 2020 9:10 PM
#147
“Is it really strange to help a friend” -Otto cool line got spoiled by Subaru! Fuck you Subaru |
Aug 19, 2020 9:11 PM
#148
really nice episode i can't lie, first half had a tone to digest but the second half was really sweet. Good god, Beatrice's reveal definitely fucking shocked me i cannot lie there. A lot of mixed emotions in that scene, Subaru's anger was warranted, she could of saved any of the others but instead saved him and quite literally "ruining his death" i mean imagine if his checkpoint updated to the minute Beatrice saved him or something ridiculous like that, i'd be pretty destroyed if that happened. Still Beatrice revealed to be following the gospel the entire time raises a lot of questions, however correct me if i'm wrong, was her saving him and then stopping him from restarting out of the goodness of her heart? As i think she said what was happening wasn't written in the gospel? And she looked pretty horrified to see Subaru get offed in front of her. Either way, seeing a sad beako was really heartbreaking :c Damn, the witch's miasma being stronger then usual was i guess bad luck for Subaru, he pretty much had most points mapped out and connected the dots, but one thing i doubt even he himself can properly keep in check is that scent of the witch on him. Things definitely got messy QUICK. Hands down, real MVP is Otto. My guy, saved Subaru even after having a pissed off cat-man on his back probably 24/7 and also getting bribed to be quite, saved Subaru big time. Thank god as well, the way things were looking, genuinely thought we were gonna have to see one of the most gruesome reset's Subaru will ever have to do. Also thinking to Subaru's past, it's understandable why he was shocked when otto called him a friend, after been a shut-in and having almost no friends in his past. next episode looks pretty exciting, 3 days have already past and Garfiel is out for blood now. |
"yabe." |
Aug 19, 2020 9:52 PM
#149
ChainxBastard said: Way too much to unpack here. But I'll try. Side note: I find it odd how Subaru is getting closer and closer to skirt around the topic of Return By Death without explicitly stating it. Saying things like "This time" to Roswaal and "Everything will be rewritten and this horrible present will be set in stone!" Could just be my imagination but I find it funny. Same eyes as Roswaal line by Garfiel caught my attention the most. Could mean that he has a similar ability as Subaru. One where he either can see all future possibilities or he can "maneuver" through timelines and plant himself in the ones that suit him best. The dialogue he spoke in the previous episode made me think that either of my theories were true. For the wellness of the Plot, after the 5th episode, Roswaal one way or another, HAVE to already know about RbD. It would be just a ridiculous plot hole if he dont. but okay... another answer is that being aware or not of RbD, Roswaal and Betty was just following the revelations of the Gospel, which changes its scriptures everytime that Subaru also changes of timeline. Since both are magic of the Witch. For Ros and Betty, the Gospel must be something like "Hello my dear followers, here is your Witch (Sattella? Equidona?) and here are my instructions to deal with that person Subaru. Don't discuss, don't mind, just obbey" Please Novel Readers, DON'T confirm or deny it, although i think this is hot Thinking now, this is the most obvious way to fit and find an utility in the plot for what Beatrice said in this episode. ------------------ Atlas77 said: I’m kind of tired of Subaru needing to figure out everything alone, why’s everyone so closed to share information and why Subaru has this kind of chosen one responsibility when he knows nothing about how this world really works, without mentioning that he’s weak compared to people that normally surrounds him, it’s like he’s not suited for the job. Beatrice follows the gospel’s instructions, so, what’s really written in there, and how Elsa found that room. See my theory above about the book. Elsa opened every door of the Mansion. In the 1st season was explained that Beatrice can "hide" the Library by exchanging it of place, but if the doors are all open, the option get fewer. TheDeedsOfMen said: Even so, it seems like a hasty decision to capture Subaru without asking any of the people more familiar with him. There are alternative explanations to the miasma that Garfiel isn't even willing to explore, and the likely consequence is that the barrier won't be dispelled. Now, if Garfiel doesn't actually want to free the people inside the barrier, it is different, but that supposedly isn't the case. Let's agree that Garf is quite a dumb thickhead and the most important, he is following orders of that Ryuzu. Surely his assumptions and suspicious was "accelerated" by her. |
Rob7Aug 19, 2020 9:59 PM
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