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Aug 1, 2020 9:17 PM
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What the heck, why isn't there a kiss scene. I want to see Sinon kissing, lol. Sinon didn't use the arrows anymore, wasn't that Hecate. It seems like they were pressed, good bye Sakuya-chan. Besides that, I'm glad to see Leefa in this episode.

Yeah, it looks like they've given up, unfortunately there's no rape scene to Asuna. Will Kirito wake up? Kirito has been too long AFK. I know it's not a game anymore, 871.

I'm glad PoH didn't rape Asuna , we absolutely want PoH to rape Kirito in the next episode
Aug 1, 2020 9:38 PM

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Well, this episode was a disaster in storytelling. The plot is butchered brutally and the anime just takes the plot and moves it from point A to point B without any details in between.

Asuna, Klein and the others losing against the endless army of soldiers is skipped over and we get the perspective of Sakuya and Rue instead. Gabriel realised how to use incarnation but that was skipped too. The reason for Sinon's pendant to manifest was skipped.

But for me the worst offender is how everyone is made to talk in Japanese. Siune is half Korean and she understands both Japanese and Korean. That's why she tried to reason with the attackers. A simple monologue from her would have been enough to get this point across to anime only viewers. But the director or whoever is in charge doesn't care about the actual work. He only cares to adapt it. 2/5 for this episode.


Thanks for filling in the blanks, because everything feels haphazard at the moment.
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Welp. Looks like it's two weeks of torture porn. Sinon got assaulted again but as usual, saved by Kirito. I'm starting to think that Sinon is the best girl of this series. Asuna, after fighting for like how many years, still collapsed like that. You could put a poker face but no you just gave up and looked like you don't wanna die.

Wow that guy, absolute degenerate. Imagine simping over a bunch of code. Well it's Japan, and I've seen that happen so I guess that's real.

PoH, what can you do with a vegetable?

Can we get a villain that is actually good at being the villain?
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I think you’re projecting a bit much if you think that I consider myself as some sort of literary deity. Nowhere in my reply did I refute any of your other points about violence, yet you assume to think I do.

Just because people like something, doesn’t mean the writing isn’t bad. The writing is terrible in the last season of Game of Thrones but it doesn’t magically become good because some people like it.

For example. What exactly is going on with the players logging into the world of Alicization? How was an interface and software created to allow people to log in via a satellite connection? Why don’t the amount of connections via satellite create an extreme amount of latency? If the US government is allowing these connections, why don’t they just block the ones coming from Japan so none of the good guys log in? Why don’t the creators of this world have complete administrative authority via a console? (The commands themself exist in the game yet the people in charge have to leave everything to Kirito for some reason.) Why don’t more of the characters go completely berserk when faced with inconsistencies with their directives? How was Commander Bercouli so utterly helpless against a simple trick when fighting Eugeo but all of a sudden he can perform miraculous feats such as running on air and killing people in the past? How has everyone forgotten about the deus ex machina of the in-game command console or the usage of spoken admin commands to literally do anything?

There are too many things that don’t make any sense. The only reason the story itself can occur and continue on its current path is because of bad writing.

And the reason sex sells in the LNs you mention is because the target demographic for those titles are children that don’t yet have the broad experience of varied stories. There’s a reason why its called the shounen (young boy) genre.

I’m also not so much of an insular fanboy that I wouldn’t watch something just because I disagree with it. Are you saying that a critic should never watch or critique something because they know its bad? That one should never experience something that they don’t enjoy even at the behest of their friends so you can discuss it?

You seem to think yourself as some kind of genius of rebuttal, but there is no substance to your words besides “your opinion is just an opinion”.


Clearly you don't understand which parts are jokes, even if I tell you there are jokes in my reply. I mentioned this before and I'll mention it again. All you do is make assumptions. "You seem to think yourself as some kind of genius of rebuttal". Have I ever claimed to think of myself as so? I'm just poking fun at your incredible ability to make dozens of claims, without any sort of examples to back it up. You 'think' the author has weird sexual fetishes. You 'think' I think of myself as some genius of rebuttal.

Also, you're watching an adapted work - yet you claim the writing is bad. Are you here to discuss the anime or the light novel? As there's little to no original writing that goes into ln/manga adaptations and that remains true for SAO Alicization. So unless you're here discussing light novels in an anime thread, writing should be irrelevant. Not to mention, there's plenty the ln readers are upset with the adaptation about, as many details were omitted or changed.

Let's define 'Bad' - 'of poor quality or a low standard.'. Could you explain to me what standards you're using to determine that the writing in SAO or GOT is bad? I genuinely thought the entirety of GOT was drawn out way too long, much less the final season, however, I'll take a page from your book and make an assumption, that this standard you're using to judge writing, comes from your personal subjective tastes and opinions. Don't google 'what makes literature good or bad' either please.

Actual Anime Discussion:
When was it ever said that a new interface or software was created to allow players to login? This all ties back to the Seed package, which we've already seen allow players convert accounts between multiple mmo's using the software. Kirito ALO to GGO.

When was it ever said that everyone was connecting via Satellite? Copied & Pasted from the wiki for you, "After Rath's satellite network was disconnected, the IP address 80.103.90.150, which was obtained from an encrypted message sent to Alice anonymously, could be used to connect to Underworld from outside the Ocean Turtle." And FYI, I can tell you that although you can't play competitively, playing games on servers across the world are not so laggy as they're unplayable, unless you have slow internet.

When was it ever said that the US Government was allowing these connections? After being approached by the NSA Gabriel Miller / Vecta is leading the operation on the ocean turtle for the US.

The main console was hijacked by Gabriel Miller, which commands are you talking about? Showing a command list? Making in-game changes via a command? What are they leaving to Kirito, he's a potato in a wheelchair? The only thing they're doing for Kirito in the past few episodes is try to heal him using the STL.

Inconsistencies in directives, are you talking about the right eye? Again you need to be a bit more specific. We saw a fluctlight go berserk in WOU P1 if that's what you're talking about. And it was explained this episode 'injecting simulated pain in the right ocular region, etc'. (although if we're talking anime-only, a lot of details are omitted from the novels).

If it wasn't clear from just watching Bercouli isn't out to murder Eugeo, he's playfully and somewhat cautiously testing Eugeo. He even outright said that he wouldn't kill Eugeo as his disciple (fanatio) wasn't killed. Eugeo also froze himself along with Bercouli and drained both of their lives. At which point they were interrupted by the Clown. Who also mentioned that Bercouli didn't use his ability to slash the past, (not in those exact words).

Again which spoken admin commands that allow you to do anything? Quinella or 'administrator' wasn't all powerful either. She could manipulate a lot of things, but it wasn't an omnipotent ability to ban and remove people left and right. You also needed a high level in system authority or whatever, which Quinella obtained by going around slaughtering animals, etc. And afterwards, she went around making it near impossible to reach her level of authority, by banning everything that would get someone that much system authority.



This is why I poke fun at you, "And the reason sex sells in the LNs you mention is because the target demographic for those titles are children that don’t yet have the broad experience of varied stories. There’s a reason why its called the shounen (young boy) genre."

If it were so easy to determine what sells or not, single or a small group of series wouldn't dominate charts. Let's take a look at some of the most popular shounen series, AOT, MHA, Naruto, One Piece, Dragon Ball. Where's all the sex? I'm fairly certain sexual content is more popular in the seinen 'genre' for example Berserk. Not even sure if Shoujo, Seinen, Shounen are a genre, more like the assumed target audience.

Also Overlord, beating out SAO in the charts. Some fanservicey parts but where's the sex? Well Ig there's yuri rape? in the web novels, but that's aside the point. Didn't make the official release. And I'm fairly sure there are plenty of series with more brazen sexual content that are significantly less popular than SAO.


There's a difference between objectively critiquing something and complaining about rape/sexual assault/sexualized content. Also, insular... It's a single anime. Besides the point though, I'm asking why force yourself to watch something you do not enjoy? It defeats the purpose of entertainment if you aren't entertained. And if you never experienced it, you would never know you didn't enjoy it. Now I can agree that I've watched shows and anime with friends that I thought were complete shit, however, if either of us really despised it, we'd drop it. Usually you'd discuss other things? Like I'm not going to force someone to watch a show he despises just to discuss it and vice versa. Wow, that's a lot of writing. If only I could get this motivated about homework.
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I havent been the best supporter of this series since recent times, got pretty fed up with it but jesus christ this ep put me on edge and had me fumming near the end when they all gave up and The enemy be celebrating, then that asshole kept on sadistically torturing them mentally and asked for a vegetable Kirito. Also damn even when vegetabled Kirito still managed to cuck us with some Sinon action, I was waiting for that kiss with Zura!

Anyways I cant believe Im sayng this but... I really hope Kirito finally wakes up and start flexing on all those aholes!
Aug 1, 2020 11:12 PM

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Ventus_S said:

Also every good guy suddenly lost their power for no reason XD. Are those initial aoe attack from god account like 1 time use or something? Like seriously most of them go down without even a fight. (Sinen what are you doing lol) If the god account is this weak, much weaker than Dark Emperor , I don't think these clown developers know how to manage the game.

No wonder. I think the director has something against Asuna. They skipped most of the scenes where she used her goddess power, she acted badass, she was heavily injured and still continued fighting and even toned down everything she faced in this episode. Like actually she wasn't defeated physically. She could still fight. The scenes she saw in the war defeated her mentally. And if you tone down everything she saw then it wouldn't give the same impact and it would seem like she's useless which apparently the anime is trying to make her seem like.

The Alicization adaptation continues to be awful. Right when I thought they were doing quite well this season.
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Aug 1, 2020 11:14 PM
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Aelyn said:
Disappointed by the fact that Vassago speaks Japanese in the anime adaptation. It just doesn't make any sense, given the context. They should've made him speak Chinese and Korean like he did in Light Novel.

Kayleon said:
Why the fuck are they crying over people getting hurt whereas it is only a game ?
Where is the fucking OP Jesus-kun from first season, the SAO that I used to love ?


1. They lose their characters forever.
2. They can feel pain. Imagine getting your ass pierced by a sword.
3. Residents of the underworld die for real, and it's not a game for them.

Are you sure you're really interested in this show? If I were you, I'd probably just drop it with this kind of an attitude. I mean, all of it should've been quite obvious, especially the main message of this arc (aka "it's not a goddamn game" and "digitized humans should have rights, and if you deny this - you're a fiend worse than the Satan himself").

Add another 3 lines.
1.They r protecting Underworld 's people
2. They r protecting Kirito( Since , he can't log out due to his coma potato mode)
3. They r fighting so that Alice can reach the Altar.
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I love how there is supposed to be this shock and awe effect in the brutality of this "war" but it's like...just to make a joke here. These kids have not played enough Rated M games before, have they? But man oh man..I'm looking at this and I can't stop shaking my head with each passing episode.
Don't believe the hype.
Aug 2, 2020 12:02 AM

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so ronie bad or mind controlled?
Aug 2, 2020 12:12 AM
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The amount of morons in this anime is biblical
Aug 2, 2020 12:13 AM
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It makes me wonder about how real this situation or not.
What is the purpose of the Underworld's existence?
Rath made this, and knowing which country it is from.
I have this bad feeling that even if the red enemy players learns about the original purpose of the Underworld, they might be more than willing to kill all Underworld people considering in this particular situation, AIs may not be treated as fellow human beings.

Would people believe Alice being used by US military as a weapon will not make any other Underworld people harmless?
I was thinking about how these AIs potential danger would be Ultron or Aida's level threat if messing them around in many dangerous ways.
We already seen Yanai and Quin er something.
People would rather want to shut down the whole server as the easiest way, though i wonder if the Underworld is even considered as a server.

Then there is the original SAO game, no what Kayaba guy used the electronic helmet to trap people's conscious inside somewhere with no way out.
Even with this incident, people still play ALO and GGO through VRs.
And this Underworld incident, more AIs will be created for only god knows what good or bad reasons they are going to be used for.
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so ronie bad or mind controlled?

Another adaptation failure. Looks like I can do a total list of things messed up in this episode ;-;

Kirito was actually hunted by Vassago's men. Ronye actually tried to stop them but to no avail.
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Damn a cliffhanger, didn't want to see Gabriel again xD I really thought that Sinon was going to be raped.
Things are more and more serious now


Weren't ln readers saying that a sinon rape scene was coming? Did they skip it or is it still gonna happen in the near future


There was a single guy shitposting about that a few weeks back, I doubt he was actually a LN reader. A lot of us called him out on his bullshit too.
Aug 2, 2020 1:11 AM
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Are the two new characters Moonphase and Mei filler characters or they have more important role in future?


There's gonna be more with them. But they're just side characters.
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So, was the sinon rape scene skipped, or is it something that is still to happen next?


You already watched it. What happened in this episode was the supposed "rape scene".

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Alicization WoU part 1 was so good but this second part is decaying pretty bad
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Look dude, I'm talking about the writing of the Anime not the LN. Just because the word writing is used doesn't mean it refers to a book. And why do I have to explain what bad writing is to you? Do you wan't me to describe how cardboard tastes as well? I've already mentioned plenty of inconsistencies with the writing and plot. Do you want me to go on further about how half the show is fan service with women gushing from their loins over Kirito? Or how every single villain is a 2-bit character that either rapes or kills for fun with no other redeeming or positive qualities to them? This anime series fell apart after the first few episodes of the first season due to the lack of danger. People die when they are killed? Oh, here's Kirito who can do everything because he's an overpowered Beater. I continue watching this show because I hope and pray that it will go back to some semblance of those first episodes because it was actually interesting.

If you want to say that "oh, its a power fantasy" then don't bother. If you want a good one then go look at One Punch Man or Overlord as you mentioned. Those characters have major flaws, such as laziness, ineptitude, or poor social standing. Kirito? His only flaw is that he's "socially awkward" yet that doesn't seem to be an issue with anything given the fact that he has his own harem.

As far as the sex sells bit you're trying to argue, have you looked at any of those series' character designs? Massive tits, giant hips, and thin waists. You think that isn't some kind of sex appeal? I'm trying to tell you that all the rape present this series is completely unnecessary because it is being used as a plot device but you seem to be assuming my thoughts on subjects I'm not even trying to a conversation about.

And if you're trying to "pick apart my arguments" and can't even pay enough attention on episode 12 where they say that they are connecting US players via satellite then there's no reason to continue having this conversation anymore. As far as satellite connections go, I've worked on both Japanese and US military networks and there is absolutely no fucking way that a single connection can support tens of thousands of people connected to it. They can barely handle downloading a video let alone have that many people do complex movement and action in real time without choking the connection and freezing everyone in place. You clearly don't know what you're talking about at this point to be taken seriously so I'm not even going to bother with the rest of it.

Bye :)
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Don't get one thing why they are acting so emotional, it's not like that they would die in real world if they die in underworld. If i missed any important part please mention.
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It is embarrassing how the readers of the light novels try to badly talk the anime, even though 90% of the events have been adapted.

Try to criticize the light novels (Kirito's state, nightmare scene, incompetence of all characters except harem hero Kirito, Kirito can use his incarnation to save Alice but not Eugeo, thousands of players are logged into Underworld etc.).

This whole arc makes no sense from the scientific to the technical aspect. Reki Kawahara should stop bothering quantum mechanics with his stories
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Rob7 said:
"Nah, we are xenophobic, the audience is xenophobic, Siune just will speak and nobody should suppose its not japanese, because f* korea". [/i]

Thats how these people is.

Lol this explains so well how I felt in that scene.

MaDmAnI said:
It is embarrassing how the readers of the light novels try to badly talk the anime, even though 90% of the events have been adapted.

Try to criticize the light novels (Kirito's state, nightmare scene, incompetence of all characters except harem hero Kirito, Kirito can use his incarnation to save Alice but not Eugeo, thousands of players are logged into Underworld etc.).

This whole arc makes no sense from the scientific to the technical aspect. Reki Kawahara should stop bothering quantum mechanics with his stories


There were enough inconsistencies with this single episode. Let's not talk about the entire arc. The first scene which was just Sinon's trauma turned into some actual choking shit. And then they totally skipped how Gabe realised about incarnations or didn't bother to explain how Sinon used incarnation to save herself or taking out the gun. It was laughable how she pulled the gun out of thin air. Lmao

Then the toning down of the war gore making Asuna's mental defeat and surrender seem meaningless. And then making Ronie take Kirito to Poh just like that.

Not to forget treating Vassago like any other mad villain in the series is just sad.

Absolutely ridiculous!
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MaDmAnI said:
It is embarrassing how the readers of the light novels try to badly talk the anime, even though 90% of the events have been adapted.

Try to criticize the light novels (Kirito's state, nightmare scene, incompetence of all characters except harem hero Kirito, Kirito can use his incarnation to save Alice but not Eugeo, thousands of players are logged into Underworld etc.).

This whole arc makes no sense from the scientific to the technical aspect. Reki Kawahara should stop bothering quantum mechanics with his stories



I dont like japanese novels. To me are basically shitty books with very slow pace, because japanese are like this, too much "thoughts" being descript and few action. Every critic is welcome.

But the thing is the at least the SAO light novel, in comparison, is very condensed already, very simple, almost like a manga. If you cut too much passages from it, which is already short, the story loses substance and meaning.

The director of this season of SAO is doing a very lazy job. And ironically, people did not bashed down this season because the main plot is legit better than the first half of WoU (come on, even Kirito will come back).

But if it didn't cut basic, BASIC explanations from the LN, it would be a lot better.
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I don't know what you mean by "try to criticise light novels". This is anime discussion. I don't see the inconsistencies you mention in the LNs. Most of what was in the light novels made sense except the explanation for the fluctlights itself. If you didn't understand anything from LN's or think LNs are bad you should ask or discuss in the LN section. Not muddle the anime forum with your prejudices.(You are also spoiling future events by trying to discuss about them)
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Was i the only one who really wanted the kiss scene to happen?? Made me simp for the dude for like a split second...
Great episode overall. You can never have an SAO season without a mentally ill and unstable antagonist, but I didn't expect it to come this soon. Haven't read the manga, but it's pretty obvious what's gonna happen in the next episode and i'm hypeeeddddd. I really need to see some kirito action soon. Leafa swooping in being a badass, I honestly don't hate her now that the incest faze is over. Character Development, Yk?? Can't wait for the next episode!!
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Bozar versus Hecate...I think the writer played too much Fallout New Vegas !
Aug 2, 2020 7:43 AM

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SAO is awesome. Sinon kiss scene would be hot, better if she does it with Kirito though. I would like Alice to get some screen time like season 1, I love Alice
Aug 2, 2020 9:49 AM

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Will Kirito die? Obviously not he's the MC. But still cliffhangers Makes me exited. Can't wait for the next episode.
Aug 2, 2020 9:51 AM

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SAO is awesome. Sinon kiss scene would be hot, better if she does it with Kirito though. I would like Alice to get some screen time like season 1, I love Alice
don't say those kinds of shit man he has Asuna. Sinon can suck a dick.
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I do like to see PoH again, it's always good to see about Aincrad stuff coming back, it gives so many good and nostalgic feels. I want a Progressive adaptation!!!
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If I had to sum up this episode with one word, it would be "despair".

Yanai reveals himself to be the traitor during his stand-off with a surprised Higa, who then goes on about how much he loves Quinella and how he wants to avenge her death by letting Kirito perish, just so that he carry on his old boss's main goal of warming up to the Americans. Whichever way you look at it, I wouldn't be surprised if Yanai gets killed off soon, regardless if things go his way or not.

Back in the Underworld, the only sort of hopeful scenes that we got was Leafa's arrival to help out our new lovebirds and how Sinon's necklace (from Kirito) saved her from Gabriel, who is the Subtilizer who took out Sinon back in GGO before.

This scene, for me, sums up how the haters misuse the term "rape" and throw it on scenes that doesn't have a single shred of evidence of back their claims up. No denying that Sinon got into a bad situation and was close to being kissed in a way that would've been sexual assault at the least, but criticisms used so haphazardly like this makes me want to question the flawed reasoning with this hysteria (AniTubers included). It sums up how much the world has gotten more spineless and woke at everything recently. =(

Back on-topic, Asuna's group had no other choice but to surrender. Although Moonphase and Mei did believe their side of the story, the rest of the mob didn't and now that they've backed Asuna's group into a corner, Vassago makes his move and reveals himself as the PoH, who then tells Asuna that he's the reason why Kirito went through a lot of suffering due to him tipping off the assault team about where Laughing Coffin was so that the team would look like murderers.

It was another good cliffhanger ending when Kirito was brought in front to Vassago, who them proudly shouts "It's showtime!". Now's the time to wake up, my boy...

Overall, while the pacing wasn't great at times, this episode did a solid job at driving home that feeling of despair into me. Can't wait to see what happens next. =)
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Accelxration said:
Damn, what a mindless ending. I don't want the last season of SAO to be like that. Fuk")


It's the last season of alicization, I think the anime will continue cuz there's more content still
This anime shit is addictive
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Bozar versus Hecate...I think the writer played too much Fallout New Vegas !


It's a Barrett XM500. GGO weapons are based on real ones, which the Barrett XM500 and Hécate II are, respectively from the US and France.
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Man, these villains... always the same shit. Really can't see how this episode was amazing, in fact it seems like quite the opposite, more bad villains and the mob villains being stupid as an excuse.
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Man, these villains... always the same shit. Really can't see how this episode was amazing, in fact it seems like quite the opposite, more bad villains and the mob villains being stupid as an excuse.


I just hope they can do Kirito's return justice, otherwise I'm pretty disappointed with how it's playing out.
This anime shit is addictive
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Aelyn said:
Disappointed by the fact that Vassago speaks Japanese in the anime adaptation. It just doesn't make any sense, given the context. They should've made him speak Chinese and Korean like he did in Light Novel.

Kayleon said:
Why the fuck are they crying over people getting hurt whereas it is only a game ?
Where is the fucking OP Jesus-kun from first season, the SAO that I used to love ?


1. They lose their characters forever.
2. They can feel pain. Imagine getting your ass pierced by a sword.
3. Residents of the underworld die for real, and it's not a game for them.

Are you sure you're really interested in this show? If I were you, I'd probably just drop it with this kind of an attitude. I mean, all of it should've been quite obvious, especially the main message of this arc (aka "it's not a goddamn game" and "digitized humans should have rights, and if you deny this - you're a fiend worse than the Satan himself").


1. Which is bullshit because that's not how any of this work. When you convert information from a system A to a system B what happens is that you build what system B consider a model with data populated from system A. When you read an information from a database, it doesn't magically get consumed, it stays there while you're handling a copy of what you asked for. Even if we say that the account structure between ALO and Underworld is the same because they're both built upon the system they call the "seed" (which is already stretching it out), there is absolutely no logical explanation for account transfer to be unilateral except to create forced drama. Computers don't work this way, it'd be impractical.

2. They shouldn't, except for the people connected at the Ocean Turtle or their auxiliary branch possessing the same devices. The others aren't using the fluctlight terminals, they're using their Amusphere which has no capabilities to make them feel pain. Hell, the game shouldn't even look "realistic" to them and should have rendered graphics like any other game they're playing on their device. The entire premise that they are able to connect to the Underworld with an Amusphere or any other devices is very hard to believe to begin with because it means that the functionality to do so was built by the creator of the underworld. Again, what reason is there for that but to create forced drama?

I enjoyed most of SAO, even the parts that are disliked by a lot of people. Can't say it's a masterpiece but it didn't bore me at least. I've read a good chunk of the Alicization arc before the first season even started airing (There were unofficial translations at the time, nothing from YenPress yet) and when I caught up, the war of the underworld hadn't even started. Put it on hold for a while and decided to continue with the anime instead of the novel when it was adapted. I still think that the first part of Alicization was very enjoyable but I do not like how the second half played out. Escalating the conflict of interest between the main actors to a full blown war that doesn't make sense, drama that feels completely forced and technological incoherence are ruining it out for me a lot more than I ever thought it would.

It's similar to how CSI episodes use incorrect technological terminology all the time and are fueled by one ass-pull after the other (example: Zooming in a picture magically increase its resolution). You can pull the wool over the eyes of someone who doesn't know any better but it makes it unbearable for someone who does and it's impossible to take any of this seriously. Granted, Reki always did it to a certain degree but such aberration never were the basis for an entire arc before that point. I can let anything that happens in the game slide (Incarnation system, deus ex machinas, the random power of the soul the antagonist have, etc) but it's hard to let anything outside of it go when it tries to go technical on you, yet fail at it.

It's a shame because there are elements and scenes that I enjoy nonetheless but the entire war of the underworld is what I consider the worst SAO has ever been.
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Goddamit Yanai why you gotta leak the information you ass. Honestly pretty good episode, looks like they're building up to something big that is gonna happen in the middle. Glad Leefa got more action this time saving the squad near the bridge. Siune tries to persuade the crowd that they are the ones who attack the wrong people and it kinda works. Can't wait for next week Kirito is gonna beat some ass when he is back baby. Sinon vs Subitilizer with her trusty Hectate.
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So basically Yanai wanted to fuck a virtual woman and cause Kirito killed her, he thinks that he deserves to die? 'Kay... good luck with that logic!

Why on Earth did Ronnie wheel Kirito out of the carriage when PoH clearly wants to do him harm? Like, stay inside you baka!

Lastly, why the hell is this season so rapey?! We've had tentacle rape and now we've got some middle aged dude trying to sexually assault Sinon... so unnecessary and so unpleasant
Aug 2, 2020 3:30 PM

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don't say those kinds of shit man he has Asuna. Sinon can suck a dick.

Must have harem. Including Leafa. Alice missing here but I cannot find a pic at the moment. Admin would be a great addition too.

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It was an episode more focused on developing script and characters, but it was terrible. The justifications for making the connections of the villains of this season with characters from past seasons were artificial (for the plot, to give an expository explanation), forced (lack of contextualization), and absurd (without plausible nexus). Just a few examples: stopping a war to explain; villain (Gabriel Miller) returns with a super strong account, without contextualizing the powers of this account that is from the same world as the heroine (Sinonon); everything Yanai says is absurd, the only way to try to swallow what he says is to believe that he is extremely crazy, which is inconsistent with his position.

I spoke on the side of the villains, but everything that happened to the good guys was inconsistent. Terrible that the good guys have vastly more power and lose, right after they beat the Americans without so much difficulty. It was terrible that the PoH stopped the fight with an absurd explanation when Asuna was going to be hit, but that doesn’t overcome the reaction after that from Asuna and the others who were with her. And Sinonon almost kissing Gabriel, that was the height of inconsistency. I was totally thrown out of that episode.

I lowered my overall grade for the season by two points.



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The Worst Episode of the Season
Characters mode GOD
A submachine gun rifle vs a sniper's rifle, really?...
The Plot is forced
About the Chinese and Korean players...Just stupid. This episode made us MMORPG players look like a mindless horde who do everything they are told to do without think or questioning anything. Ok, the come online bc someone told them about hackers but once they are all online they can see the events and how is everything going and among those players only 2 think it was al weird?? Come on and the most stupid of everything is the guy who is leading them using the argument “The are hackers bc they have special equipment” but he has special equipment too (and an equipment that look like assa, lol)...and then one of the chinese/korean players is going to kill one of the “hackers” but then this “leader” says STOP, he stops, WTF, is he/she a soldier?? just bc someone who is a no one for them say stop he follow the order just like nothing??? And at the end of the episode all those all mighty Kirito's friends become the most pathetic beings, begging for their lives and all this garbage just to make them all into a phoenix at the end of the season bc the creator has no imagination...the worst episode of the season
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katie_potaty said:
So basically Yanai wanted to fuck a virtual woman and cause Kirito killed her, he thinks that he deserves to die? 'Kay... good luck with that logic!

Why on Earth did Ronnie wheel Kirito out of the carriage when PoH clearly wants to do him harm? Like, stay inside you baka!

Lastly, why the hell is this season so rapey?! We've had tentacle rape and now we've got some middle aged dude trying to sexually assault Sinon... so unnecessary and so unpleasant
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Tiago_Vaz_007 said:
It was an episode more focused on developing script and characters, but it was terrible. The justifications for making the connections of the villains of this season with characters from past seasons were artificial (for the plot, to give an expository explanation), forced (lack of contextualization), and absurd (without plausible nexus). Just a few examples: stopping a war to explain; villain (Gabriel Miller) returns with a super strong account, without contextualizing the powers of this account that is from the same world as the heroine (Sinonon); everything Yanai says is absurd, the only way to try to swallow what he says is to believe that he is extremely crazy, which is inconsistent with his position.

I spoke on the side of the villains, but everything that happened to the good guys was inconsistent. Terrible that the good guys have vastly more power and lose, right after they beat the Americans without so much difficulty. It was terrible that the PoH stopped the fight with an absurd explanation when Asuna was going to be hit, but that doesn’t overcome the reaction after that from Asuna and the others who were with her. And Sinonon almost kissing Gabriel, that was the height of inconsistency. I was totally thrown out of that episode.

I lowered my overall grade for the season by two points.


This.

You pretty much sums up all the glaring problem of SAO Alicization part 3.
So far there's an outrage on twitter and Bibili from the East, saying how bad SAO has turn into this season, and the massively reduced score reflects it. (Score dropped from 7.9 to 5.2 in a single day)

Only Mal and Crunchyroll American still like it.
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Probably the worse episode of SAO, and to achieve that after WoU Part 1 is just ridiculous. I got tired of thinking "who is this guy again?" in the entire episode. They not only make a terrible job in recapitulating what happenend in previous seasons, they continue to make a terrible job in developing the current plot
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Look dude, I'm talking about the writing of the Anime not the LN. Just because the word writing is used doesn't mean it refers to a book. And why do I have to explain what bad writing is to you? Do you wan't me to describe how cardboard tastes as well? I've already mentioned plenty of inconsistencies with the writing and plot. Do you want me to go on further about how half the show is fan service with women gushing from their loins over Kirito? Or how every single villain is a 2-bit character that either rapes or kills for fun with no other redeeming or positive qualities to them? This anime series fell apart after the first few episodes of the first season due to the lack of danger. People die when they are killed? Oh, here's Kirito who can do everything because he's an overpowered Beater. I continue watching this show because I hope and pray that it will go back to some semblance of those first episodes because it was actually interesting.

If you want to say that "oh, its a power fantasy" then don't bother. If you want a good one then go look at One Punch Man or Overlord as you mentioned. Those characters have major flaws, such as laziness, ineptitude, or poor social standing. Kirito? His only flaw is that he's "socially awkward" yet that doesn't seem to be an issue with anything given the fact that he has his own harem.

As far as the sex sells bit you're trying to argue, have you looked at any of those series' character designs? Massive tits, giant hips, and thin waists. You think that isn't some kind of sex appeal? I'm trying to tell you that all the rape present this series is completely unnecessary because it is being used as a plot device but you seem to be assuming my thoughts on subjects I'm not even trying to a conversation about.

And if you're trying to "pick apart my arguments" and can't even pay enough attention on episode 12 where they say that they are connecting US players via satellite then there's no reason to continue having this conversation anymore. As far as satellite connections go, I've worked on both Japanese and US military networks and there is absolutely no fucking way that a single connection can support tens of thousands of people connected to it. They can barely handle downloading a video let alone have that many people do complex movement and action in real time without choking the connection and freezing everyone in place. You clearly don't know what you're talking about at this point to be taken seriously so I'm not even going to bother with the rest of it.

Bye :)


You're talking about the 'writing' of the anime (which is adapted, barely any of which is original writing) then criticize the author of the light novel for his 'assumed' sexual fetishes? Ok...

Every reply is assumption after assumption... You come up with arguments for me, then reply to yourself. Where did you get power fantasy I've never said SAO was a power fantasy nor do I think of SAO as one.

Also what... Massive tits, giant hips, thin waists, Naruto, My hero, Aot? Where did you get that connection? I can't speak for One Piece since I haven't bothered with it, but looking at some of the most popular shounen manga, AOT, Dr Stone, Promised Neverland barely have any fan service? Have yet to read Demon Slayer, but from the anime alone, barely any fan service. Please explain how 'rape' aside from the fact that there isn't any is somehow a plot device. If you called it blatant sexual appeal, I could understand but I've already asked, how does it progress or interact with the plot or overarching story in anyway...

Correction, Critter sent the US players in via a satellite connection. Everyone didn't just connect through the satellite on their own. Also that was in WOU P1, we clearly saw the Korean and Chinese players download a client to connect to the underworld. The Japanese / ALO players also connected in as well. Whether this was all via satellite, no clue.

Ok, assuming that you are some sort of specialist that has WORKED on both Japanese and US Military satellite networks, which I have significant doubts about either military allowing a foreign agent to just work on their networks, you're writing in past tense so it's safe to assume you're no longer working on either network. Not to mention the story takes place several years in the future and just look at Elon Musk's Starlink. By the way, you do know that Japan isn't allowed to have a military, so did you mean you worked on the JSDF network and you labeled it as Japan's Military?

And your presumed military satellite network experience is irrelevant to the topic at hand, since again, the story's setting takes place in the future and if you believe nations spending billions or hundreds of billions every year on their military would be so far behind projects such as Starlink which will be available to the general public, I'm fairly confused on what the point you're trying to make is. A story taking place in the future has military satellites capable of handling tens of thousands of players, but our current reality (years before the setting of the story) do not have military satellites capable of downloading a video? A fictional story which takes place in the future written years ago, does not have realistic technologies?

Yeah, the argument has gotten way off topic, nearly irrelevant to this thread so I guess as usual, we can agree to disagree.
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I guess now we'll get some filler content or focus on other characters, because the moment when Kirito has to draw his sword to stop his attack is like now?
I didn't read the novel to this point so I don't know.
But now it's the moment.

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unfortunately there's no rape scene to Asuna

You're a sick man lol
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Man shit is so fucked right now. This season started really hopeful but now with Yanai on the verge of getting killed, the ALO gang just getting their asses wiped, and now Asuna and her party have been captured. I'm happy to see Leafa is now kicking ass despite how she started this season and I really hope Iskhan and Serlut make it out of this. From what I can tell next episode is either going to be hard to watch or bad ass (I hope for the latter).
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(Score dropped from 7.9 to 5.2 in a single day)

Where actually did it drop? It's still 7.7 on MAL
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biswa290701 said:
Ventus_S said:
(Score dropped from 7.9 to 5.2 in a single day)

Where actually did it drop? It's still 7.7 on MAL


Read again please.
I said ONLY Mal and Crunchyroll still liked it.
Talking about Eastern big website. (100 times the user of Mal)



Total viewership for season 3 SAO: 34 millions.

Total comments on episode 4: 25668

PS: most Chinese tend to rate stuff much lower if the plot is insulting to their intelligence or defy rationality and logic (using the concept of world setting within that anime ofc) regardless of animation/ music. If an anime didn't do that they'd usually rate 9+ easily unlike Mal. Mal only rate down ecchi even though the premise of those show is to be perverted to begin with. Yet they're ok with tentacle rape in SAO despite it breaks all immersion/tone. But at least SAO got gorgeous animation so it has to be rated an 8~9 right? That's Mal/ Crunchyroll for you.
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Dude cmon wake up or else you are gonna die.

Sinon being scared again but realizing that she's fighting and ended up pulling her sniper LMAO. I was really waiting for the kiss. As for the current situation they tried to convinced the enemy that they are being blackmailed but at the end they didn't believed it and ended up losing and bringing Kirito.

A lot of materials coming back from the last SAO seasons since the Aincrad,Alfheim and GGO it's so nostalgic that i didn't even notice how much time has passed, It feels like yesterday.
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The traitor upon the Ocean Turtle, looks like he's in cahoots with the US in the first place, placing Higa in immense danger.

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While I dislike how America is made the "bad guys", using Captain America: The Winter Soldier and other spy/superhero movies as an example, even hollywood movies would present "blemishes" that potentially exist in the political world of America. Common movie trope is that the American government sponsors evil scientists that kidnap people for inhuman experiments. If Lex Luthor becomes president, then America would be portrayed as evil.

Dumb question, if anyone knows, what would happen if Alice, or any super advance AI, gets in America's hands?. I am not being racist, and don't want to make a political war, but having Alice in America's hands is better than Communist China or North Korea. Maybe I am giving America too much credit, but it should not be that bad if America gets super intelligence A.I.

On the side note, Sugou's sentence somewhat disappointment. I am not a law student, but being the Mastermind of Inhuman experiments and attempted Murder on Kirito is only worth at least 10 years of prison time? I obviously don't want to see Sugou again in ten years. Asuna's mom wanted Asuna to marry Sugou, but she supposedly denied the fatal mistake in making that mad rapist as a Asuna's fiancee.

While I had considered most of the "foreign gamers" as "mindless mobs", I am surprised how obedient they are when PoH said "Stop."
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it's SHOOOOOOOOOOOWWW TIIIIIIIIME - PoH said

i knew that motherfucker yanai did the code 871 on underworld without reading the novel
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