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Shinako is the one who's playing both sides by not distancing from Rou and having to depend on Rikuo every time she's feeling overwhelmed. They're both in love with her, it sickens me that she doesn't realize how she's hurting them both. Haru needs to grab Rikuo's balls and put her name on them or something. They need to end up together. It's the better outcome of all of this. |
| Wow that ending was something. Gonna be a real ballsy move if Shinako and Rikou actually start dating now. I have some thoughts, but I'll wait and see where this goes. |
ToraiS said: I know he's a kid but his naivety when he's 18, same age as Haru mind you, is outstanding. He's 16. Honestly, I don't quite get the hate he gets. Growing up in the shadow of an elder sibling is already a hurdle in itself to overcome. In this case, that older brother is sickly and dies too soon - how easy is that for a kid to process? And then teenage hormones wreak havoc with everyone's mind. Not only realising he's falling for that girl who's been around all the time, who's been around all the time as a sister - but also realising he's even more in big brother's shadow, because that is whom she's been in love with... The fact that he is dead easily and understandably adds to his frustrations regarding her, it's not like they had 50 years of wonderful marriage either, yet she still can't move on. Not only that, but she doesn't move on in any direction: she keeps rejecting Rou, but she also falls back on his late brother to reject Rikuo, while at the same time being frustrated herself because she can't make up her mind about liking Rikuo either. Yeah, he's impulsive and somewhat naive - like quite literally every kid his agel? Meaning he's just... you know, perfectly normal? Under the circumstances, that in itself is quite something, and he event takes it a step further wanting to actually grow up, instead of basking in his carefree youth like most of them do. That hug at the end there was extremely well done to be so detailed. Making sure she wouldn't run away while he explained himself, without a need to resort to anything ugly. And yes, he tightened the hug: he let her know that indeed he wants to be there for her, wants to protect her, and that his feelings and determinations aren't fickle and won't be swayed easily. And then he let her go, too, just like that, showing he doesn't intend to actually force himself on her. If anything, he's acting a lot more mature than what one would expect from someone like him. And especially a lot more mature than Shinako herself, a grown-up woman, who can't get over her late childhood crush, and pulls guys around her into this sort of limbo of indecisiveness and commitment issues. Next to her, he really shouldn't be getting so much flak. |
anikevin said: Shinako is the one who's playing both sides by not distancing from Rou and having to depend on Rikuo every time she's feeling overwhelmed. They're both in love with her, it sickens me that she doesn't realize how she's hurting them both. Haru needs to grab Rikuo's balls and put her name on them or something. They need to end up together. It's the better outcome of all of this. I have my doubts about how much Rou really "loves" Shinako. This love for her feels a bit too much like just a part of the complex he has about his brother. |
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| dude...that Haru shmup game end credits pretty much sums this whole deal up so far |
Light888 said: I'd love to get a conclusive ending but sadly that might not happen since there might be only 5 more episodes left. It'll be onto the manga then. There's 11 episodes left, not 5. |
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| That new ED is awesome but was that game just a sum-up of the episode or foreshadowing? It's not looking good for Haru with the direction this episode took. I'll feel bad for her if Rikou ends up with Shinako but I personally don't care if Rikou ends up with Shinako or Haru. Both characters have their charms and flaws. I'm just enjoying the ride of this show. I still feel like there might be more to Haru's character than she shows though. Also nice to see Rikou's finally found something he likes and is moving forward in life. About Rou, I get it he's young and immature but he's still annoying. I mean we get it, he has this infatuation with Shinako since he was a kid but putting things into perspective, he wants to seek a relationship with a woman who has thought of him as a little brother her whole life. And to make matters worse, that woman was in love with your older brother and hasn't gotten over it for 5 years. The only saving grace is that least the effort's there - he's trying to grow up and is working for his future. But my man's just fighting a losing battle. The quicker he moves on from her, the better it will be for him and his character development. Besides, he's got a long life ahead of him, he'll find a better woman who'll appreciate him for who he is. But he's gotta get rid of that god awful safety-pin emo fashion statement he's got going on. That's probably another quiet reason why Shinako won't ever take him seriously. I know this was set in the 90's but jesus, how in the hell was that ever a thing?? I'd love to get a conclusive ending but sadly that might not happen since there might be only 5 more episodes left. It'll be onto the manga then. Alecks said: Light888 said: I'd love to get a conclusive ending but sadly that might not happen since there might be only 5 more episodes left. It'll be onto the manga then. There's 11 episodes left, not 5. I hope it does but the quote below concerns me. Considering the manga has 113 chapters, I'm assuming it won't be enough to cover it all if there aren't 18 full episodes. hahailham1 said: Also, I started to doubt about the extra 6 episodes. Will we get a 12+6 episodes or we get 12 episodes + 6 extras (1-2 mins each) from Abema? We had 4 so far and episode 5-7 dont have any, assuming that they only have 6 only 2 probably still remaining, which could also mean that we got 12 full episodes instead of 18.. I read about the BD Box information and it says 12 episodes box with 6 stream special episodes. Still not sure about this so if anyone can confirm about this it would be much appreciated! |
Light888May 16, 2020 8:37 PM
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| The amount of effort poured into what could have been a little throwaway SOL anime is astonishing. The detail in this expression, you can tell exactly how Shinako is feeling:  The new ED is fire, too. Loving this show. How can it be so relaxing and so tense all at once? |
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| Woah, that escalated pretty quickly for Rikuo and Shinako. I don't have a preference for Shinako or Haru (early on it was Shinako), but this is interesting. But I'm not sure what the motivations are behind Shinako's actions. Last episode we saw that she has finally started seriously reconsidering what Rikuo is to her. But this seems so sudden. Is she trying to force herself to move on with this? Anyway, it seems we haven't seen much of Haru in the last two episodes. Wonder how she'll react when she finds out about this. |
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yellowheartren said: If anything, he's acting a lot more mature than what one would expect from someone like him. And especially a lot more mature than Shinako herself, a grown-up woman, who can't get over her late childhood crush, and pulls guys around her into this sort of limbo of indecisiveness and commitment issues. Next to her, he really shouldn't be getting so much flak. Rou is 17-18 considering that earlier on in the episode, he says that it's one year until the university exams. Definitely not 16. You underestimate the lasting effect emotional impact a death of a love one brings. My grandfather died 7~ years ago, yet I can still vividly remember being in his last moments of suffering in his death bed. I can't even fathom that when it's my childhood friend who I spend most of my hours with. I agree that Shinako deserves a metaphorical punch in the gut so that she can accelerate herself moving on and picking a side. But honestly, you'd be dense to think that Rou has not been forcing her hand about it. He did it twice this episode; one, he got pissy about Shinako prioritizing work over him, and two, Shinako crying because Rou reminded her of his brother and asking him to let her go thrice. Once when she tries to deflect the confrontation, twice when he hugs her, thrice when he tightly hugs her this time. Normally, I won't complain about it but this scene definitely revealed that e has this weird fetish to overcoming his dead (mind you) brother which is definitely (forgive my french) fucked up. You cannot replace a person, nor take advantage of the loss of your own brother to take the upper hand of your childhood crush. It's so slimy; his actions translates more as a kid who's trying to break from the shadow of his own brother but in the wrongest means possible i.e not viewing Shinako as a person, and more of an ideal in which he should conquer in order to prove his peers and his dead brother wrong. He should clearly just be himself. Sure, it doesn't earn any extra points with Shinako but it's definitely better than competing for the spot that his brother had left so abruptly. He's too full of himself to ever see that. |
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| Shinako is still healing. She really shouldn't jump into a relationship unless she's ready. Forcing herself to be with anyone would just hurt both parties. She's still an emotional wreck and obviously hasn't gotten over her love for Rou's deceased brother. |
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Levais said: But Haru also behaves in a similar way, many times in previous episodes she is annoying and stressful towards Rikuo, I don't see much difference between Haru and Rou. Then Rou's love for Shinako is much stronger than Haru's for Rikuo(honestly I see it more as an infatuation), also because the first two have always known each other, while Haru and Rikuo met accidentally and never seen again, therefore it's normal that Rou's behavior compared to Haru's is amplified and it's even more childish. Sure, Haru has emotional outbursts from time to time; the first one was when she got stood up, and the second was when she discovered that a lady was living under Rikuo's roof. But those are valid reasons for her emotional outburst and Haru never reopens wounds and try to guilt-trip Rikuo into loving her. She patiently waits and subtly builds up a strong foundation with Rikuo in hopes that he would look at her one day, even if she is "number two". Rou's childhood friend relationship with Shinako is just a scapegoat of how much of a dunce he is in comparison. |
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yellowheartren said: ToraiS said: I know he's a kid but his naivety when he's 18, same age as Haru mind you, is outstanding. He's 16. Honestly, I don't quite get the hate he gets. Growing up in the shadow of an elder sibling is already a hurdle in itself to overcome. In this case, that older brother is sickly and dies too soon - how easy is that for a kid to process? And then teenage hormones wreak havoc with everyone's mind. Not only realising he's falling for that girl who's been around all the time, who's been around all the time as a sister - but also realising he's even more in big brother's shadow, because that is whom she's been in love with... The fact that he is dead easily and understandably adds to his frustrations regarding her, it's not like they had 50 years of wonderful marriage either, yet she still can't move on. Not only that, but she doesn't move on in any direction: she keeps rejecting Rou, but she also falls back on his late brother to reject Rikuo, while at the same time being frustrated herself because she can't make up her mind about liking Rikuo either. Yeah, he's impulsive and somewhat naive - like quite literally every kid his agel? Meaning he's just... you know, perfectly normal? Under the circumstances, that in itself is quite something, and he event takes it a step further wanting to actually grow up, instead of basking in his carefree youth like most of them do. That hug at the end there was extremely well done to be so detailed. Making sure she wouldn't run away while he explained himself, without a need to resort to anything ugly. And yes, he tightened the hug: he let her know that indeed he wants to be there for her, wants to protect her, and that his feelings and determinations aren't fickle and won't be swayed easily. And then he let her go, too, just like that, showing he doesn't intend to actually force himself on her. If anything, he's acting a lot more mature than what one would expect from someone like him. And especially a lot more mature than Shinako herself, a grown-up woman, who can't get over her late childhood crush, and pulls guys around her into this sort of limbo of indecisiveness and commitment issues. Next to her, he really shouldn't be getting so much flak. Totally agree on everything, especially the part of the hug, I don't see it as something bad, but only the desire to show her what he feels from the bottom of his heart, he absolutely doesn't want to force her to reciprocate. |
ToraiS said: Levais said: But Haru also behaves in a similar way, many times in previous episodes she is annoying and stressful towards Rikuo, I don't see much difference between Haru and Rou. Then Rou's love for Shinako is much stronger than Haru's for Rikuo(honestly I see it more as an infatuation), also because the first two have always known each other, while Haru and Rikuo met accidentally and never seen again, therefore it's normal that Rou's behavior compared to Haru's is amplified and it's even more childish. Sure, Haru has emotional outbursts from time to time; the first one was when she got stood up, and the second was when she discovered that a lady was living under Rikuo's roof. But those are valid reasons for her emotional outburst and Haru never reopens wounds and try to guilt-trip Rikuo into loving her. She patiently waits and subtly builds up a strong foundation with Rikuo in hopes that he would look at her one day, even if she is "number two". Rou's childhood friend relationship with Shinako is just a scapegoat of how much of a dunce he is in comparison. For me Rou with the phrase "I want to take my brother's place" doesn't mean that he wants to be Yuu, but to be for Shinako what Yuu was, the person she loves. So in my opinion he isn't using the figure of his brother to favor himself or at least he doesn't do it with malice. |
| A date from the unwittingly Rikuo to Haru to clear things up. With Rikuo searching for another job, Rou is left in wandering thoughts about his own circumstances and feelings for Shinako. His pursuit of Shinako (from past episodes) doesn't change from the times of his older brother Yuu's death...in contrast to the latter wanting to change her past and move on from all the farces of the status quo. Despite that, Rikuo, knowing her circumstances, tells her to move on. As for Rikuo...settling into his photo studio job is trivial stuff, but getting ahead is easier said than done. And Haru is just like a free spirit ramming down his uneven road of trought after trought, but at least he finds solace within her answers and conviction. Getting back to Shinako, the more she sees Yuu within Rou, the more she trembles in fear of their past relationship. But Rou, man, I'd say: "Who are you to fill in the void of Yuu in Shinako's life? As much as you want Shinako for yourself, that's just selfish childhood love." But the blame partially falling upon Shinako to use Yuu as an excuse to run away from reality, I can sympathize heavily for loving someone who's dead and living and breathing the life of someone else. As the thoughts of many contradict, it's either Team Shinako or Team Haru, and judging by the new ED by Sayuri (which is a premonition of things to come), it looks like Shinako will rise up to the occasion for Rikuo to conquer her love. P.S. Not taking sides here, but wanting to know how far this'll go. |
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Levais said: For me Rou with the phrase "I want to take my brother's place" doesn't mean that he wants to be Yuu, but to be for Shinako what Yuu was, the person she loves. So in my opinion he isn't using the figure of his brother to favor himself or at least he doesn't do it with malice. That's just reaching for straws, imo. Prior to the "place" quote, he says something in the lines of, "I'm the only one who knows how important he is to you. That's why I'll growing up as fast as I can so that I can protect you in place of my brother." Not only it is such a pretentious quote i.e implying Shinako can't handle herself, your opinion basically retconned what happened. If he just wants to be loved by Shinako romantically, it's safer to not build a relationship in a shaky foundation, i.e his brothers death in which he feels the needs to mention a lot to shake Shinako away from Yuu (red flag). Rather, even though he needs to toss away what he built back in the past, it's safer and healthier just be himself, be Rou, and not the younger brother of a dead man because if that is his only identity, Shinako would only associate him such and never a true romantic interest. Even if Shinako accepted Rou's feeling's right then and there, Rou will not learn anything and Shinako cannot move on from her past; a certain lose-lose scenario not to mention the moral problems in association. imSOunique said: Yeah, I sooo dislike whatever Rou is doing. For me, it appears as he is only interested in Shinako because she was his brother's girlfriend. Creepy af. I think people in Rou's situation when searching for a future partner would choose anyone but his dead brother's girlfriend. It is wrong on so many levels. The kid has absolutely no respect for the bro code lol, even has the balls to say to Shinako that he wants to see her in his kitchen forever. Real smooth. Rou's borderline unbearable to watch saying, "I'm not a kid any more!" before nosediving and contradicting what he said. Still though despite all this, I think it's still worth it to watch scenes of him for the insight and what not to do to your dead brother's girlfriend. |
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ElleryK said: "I wish you were more like Rou" Seriously ????? Sorry for the guy who's waiting like an idiot for you to get over your ten year heartbreak... I want them to end up together but Shinako is really starting to get on my nerves. In a relationship both parts are required to participate and take action. Rikuo was acting as a friend, just a friend, not as an potential partner for her. If they get together Rikou will have to start working with Shinako to make their relationship work, but he needs to start working on this now, he needs to act to make it happen. Just wishful thinking isn't enough. |
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| Omg please no no no I don't want these two to start dating, they are a horrible match, they will just pull each other down. Rou is out there really trying, him and Shinako actually have chemistry, he is the type of guy Shinako needs she basically said this herself, and she has the audacity to say she wishes Rikuo was more like Rou while she doesn't even like Rikuo either? Girl wtf, then just give Rou a chance, or I don't even care, end up alone if you want but stop leading everyone on. Rikou definitely needs a girl like Haru so please enough of this nonsense... |
OokamiRisuMay 17, 2020 7:52 AM
ElleryK said: "I wish you were more like Rou" Seriously ????? Sorry for the guy who's waiting like an idiot for you to get over your ten year heartbreak... I want them to end up together but Shinako is really starting to get on my nerves. Even though I like Shinako, that quote really made me go wtf and question Shinako's sanity -- if she has some screws loose in her head because that was uncalled for. But reading the part again and again, the comparison to Rou's persistence kinda makes sense. Before that, Rikuo says, "I'm fine waiting for you". Then, she said "Perhaps I was also waiting." in reply. She's basically hinting at Rikuo to make a move on her because being the way it is, they wouldn't progress if both of them are just waiting. Shinako then takes the initiative, probably sensing that Rikuo is doubtful or sensing that it was her turn now to confess, she invites Rikuo to her home. It's a nice double meaning: she's inviting him to her personal space emotionally and physically (lewd jk). |
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| Ah. A weaker episode again. Like the one a few episodes ago. Because of the main focus on Rou and Shinako - which aren't that interseting. Nice to see Uozomi working as photographer though. (Even though it was only for help at the wedding he got dome conversation with the other guy "pushing" him maybe a bit towards progressing here.) Now I guess some drama with Shinako trying to seduce him just to not be alone. (I mean ... inviting him into her place already means a lot.) Haru will get jealous. |
OokamiRisu said: Omg please no no no I don't want these two to start dating, they are a horrible match, they will just pull each other down. Rou is out there really trying, him and Shinako actually have chemistry, he is the type of guy Shinako needs she basically said this herself, and she has the audacity to say she wishes Rikuo was more like Rou while she doesn't even like Rikuo either? Girl wtf, then just give Rou a chance, or I don't even care, end up alone if you want but stop leading everyone on. Rikou definitely needs a girl like Haru so please enough of this nonsense... Shinako is constantly reminded about her past when she looks at Rou. Plus, she only sees him as a brother. That's why every time Rou goes off and forcing himself on Shinako, Shinako runs away and turns to Rikuo as a confidante. That's as good chemistry as sodium and water. "Rikuo and Shinako are just being awkward and distant all the time." You're overly exaggerating this. Rikuo distances himself appropriately because he's already rejected and he respects Shinako's past. That's how adults deal with that type of situation. Rou just gets away with saying cringy stuff because he was there longer. Shinako cares for Rikuo. They're long-time college mates and good buddies; they also take care of each other one one is sick. If she didn't, she wouldn't be making dinner for him a few episodes ago or checking up on him when he caught the flu in episode 6. She just doesn't see him as a romantic interest because her perception of love is completely warped by her trauma. Until now that is. While he complimented Rou's pushiness in the final scene of the recent episode, wishing that Rikuo was also pushy too. But like she said, it was completely selfish of her to expect Rikuo to be pushy when he was formally rejected in episode one. But ultimately, she's opened up to Rikuo and gave him a chance. Rou broke the bro code multiple times and I'm glad Rikuo is the first one that Shinako gave a chance. But really, before judging how a relationship turns out, let it play out for a bit. We still have a few episodes to go; things aren't set into stone. |
ToraiSMay 17, 2020 8:28 AM
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ToraiS said: OokamiRisu said: Omg please no no no I don't want these two to start dating, they are a horrible match, they will just pull each other down. Rou is out there really trying, him and Shinako actually have chemistry, he is the type of guy Shinako needs she basically said this herself, and she has the audacity to say she wishes Rikuo was more like Rou while she doesn't even like Rikuo either? Girl wtf, then just give Rou a chance, or I don't even care, end up alone if you want but stop leading everyone on. Rikou definitely needs a girl like Haru so please enough of this nonsense... Shinako is constantly reminded about her past when she looks at Rou. Plus, she only sees him as a brother. That's why every time Rou goes off and forcing himself on Shinako, Shinako runs away and turns to Rikuo as a confidante. That's as good chemistry as sodium and water. "Rikuo and Shinako are just being awkward and distant all the time." You're overly exaggerating this. Rikuo distances himself appropriately because he's already rejected and he respects Shinako's past. That's how adults deal with that type of situation. Rou just gets away with saying cringy stuff because he was there longer. Shinako cares for Rikuo. They're long-time college mates and good buddies; they also take care of each other one one is sick. If she didn't, she wouldn't be making dinner for him a few episodes ago or checking up on him when he caught the flu in episode 6. She just doesn't see him as a romantic interest because her perception of love is completely warped by her trauma. Until now that is. While he complimented Rou's pushiness in the final scene of the recent episode, wishing that Rikuo was also pushy too. But like she said, it was completely selfish of her to expect Rikuo to be pushy when he was formally rejected in episode one. But ultimately, she's opened up to Rikuo and gave him a chance. Rou broke the bro code multiple times and I'm glad Rikuo is the first one that Shinako gave a chance. But really, before judging how a relationship turns out, let it play out for a bit. We still have a few episodes to go; things aren't set into stone. Read through all your replies on this thread, and just gottta say I 100% agree. Rou's immaturity is very pertinent and prevalent, he is just as delusional as Shinako when it comes to their trauma regarding Rou's deceased brother. Both have an unhealthy obsession, and they're both handling it very poorly. Shinako by "needing a pull" from someone else (which at the end of the episode, looked to me like a hint towards adult intimacy with Rikou) and Rou by wanting to be his brother and fill his shoes. It sounds very cold-hearted, but Shinako and Rou seem like a trainwrreck waiting to happen, an exploded landmine of emotional baggage. Shinako and Rikou would undoubtedly make a great couple given their maturity and understanding, but if you ask me who's the most mature in this entire series, it'd have to be Haru, considering her age and the fact she deals with her own issues rather than impose them on the people that have feelings for her. |
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DearlyDie said: Read through all your replies on this thread, and just gottta say I 100% agree. Rou's immaturity is very pertinent and prevalent, he is just as delusional as Shinako when it comes to their trauma regarding Rou's deceased brother. Both have an unhealthy obsession, and they're both handling it very poorly. Shinako by "needing a pull" from someone else (which at the end of the episode, looked to me like a hint towards adult intimacy with Rikou) and Rou by wanting to be his brother and fill his shoes. It sounds very cold-hearted, but Shinako and Rou seem like a trainwrreck waiting to happen, an exploded landmine of emotional baggage. Shinako and Rikou would undoubtedly make a great couple given their maturity and understanding, but if you ask me who's the most mature in this entire series, it'd have to be Haru, considering her age and the fact she deals with her own issues rather than impose them on the people that have feelings for her. I'm just glad that someone's reading my ramblings lol. I doubt that Rikuo and Shinako's relationship is gonna be the "adult intimacy" that I'm thinking of because oh boy think of the children ratings. Jokes aside, although what Shinako said really implies something else, I believe she is a bit too prude and inexperienced to pull that off but high school tier fluff would be absolutely welcome still. But yeah, I always find myself in disbelief for people to ship Shinako to Rou when most of the time, it takes a special amount of patience, maturity and perception to pull someone off from long-time grief. Rikuo has the bare minimum of these, but Shinako is absolutely better off with a similar-minded adult than an infatuated teen. Though it kinda leaves Haru to suffer her first loss to the Rikuo-bowl which is sad because she's an interesting character. Hopefully though, things would go her way later on. I'm more piqued as to how the Rikuo and Shinako dynamic would be like. |
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ToraiS said: I'm just glad that someone's reading my ramblings lol. I doubt that Rikuo and Shinako's relationship is gonna be the "adult intimacy" that I'm thinking of because oh boy think of the children ratings. Jokes aside, although what Shinako said really implies something else, I believe she is a bit too prude and inexperienced to pull that off but high school tier fluff would be absolutely welcome still. But yeah, I always find myself in disbelief for people to ship Shinako to Rou when most of the time, it takes a special amount of patience, maturity and perception to pull someone off from long-time grief. Rikuo has the bare minimum of these, but Shinako is absolutely better off with a similar-minded adult than an infatuated teen. Though it kinda leaves Haru to suffer her first loss to the Rikuo-bowl which is sad because she's an interesting character. Hopefully though, things would go her way later on. I'm more piqued as to how the Rikuo and Shinako dynamic would be like. I think it generally boils down to people misconceptions on what love is, and that an obsession for a person isn't necessarily love, atleast a healthy version of it; What comes after you now own what you've been fantasizing about for however many years? Where do you go? What do you want now? Lots of questions left unanswered just sounds like an existentialist crisis waiting to happen, lol. But yeah, I totally agree. What sort of security would come from an infatuated teen with minimal life experience, lol. Mylmyzan said: Wait, so Shinako loved Rikuo at least enough for accepting his declaration from the beginning ? But didn't want to 'cause he was not being as pushy as Rou ? Come on, was she excepting him to harass her like Rou is doing ? Yeah, I do find that part really weird. I honestly read that as "I wish you were as attention providing as Rou because either I'm incapable of making my own decisions like an adult and I need someone to make that decision for me or I just enjoy the attention of two men fighting over me". Hopefully Rikou sees it the same, although I doubt it considering it's his main romantic interest, but I know that'd be a red flag for me. |
DearlyDieMay 17, 2020 9:53 AM
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Mylmyzan said: Wait, so Shinako loved Rikuo at least enough for accepting his declaration from the beginning ? But didn't want to 'cause he was not being as pushy as Rou ? Come on, was she excepting him to harass her like Rou is doing ? Anyway, Shinako might be the character whose back-story is the most developed & interesting, but she's definitely an emotional disaster. And on the other side, the way Haru fell in love with Rikuo is so FUCK*NG WEIRD. In her current state she has the best gurl title, but I fear learning more about her past might leave the sit empty. I doubt that Rikuo being pushy is what she wants in the beginning. Because a few episodes prior, episode 5, she's actively trying to move on, and in episode 6, she questions her current relationship with Rikuo. Rou pushing her eventually pushed her towards Rikuo but instead running away like she always did, she decided to actually make a decision for once. The Rou complement was out of nowhere but in the greater context of the last scene kinda makes sense. And yes, Shinako is nice but we haven't opened the Pandora's box that is Haru. I'm quite excited on how she'd get developed. |
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| Ya know it was kinda annoying that Shinako lets Rou dominate her , also it was kinda annoying as well when she doesn't tell Rou to stop pursuing her given that he can never replace his big brother....... |
| Damn it, this anime plays me every week. After episode 1 & 2 I had enough of Shinako already, but here's me rooting for her a little bit after finishing episode 7... Still, part of me feels like she is looking for someone just to not be alone. She doesn't really want to move on, she's just scared she's loosing the "safe copy" of his brother - Rou - because he's fallen for her. So she's looking for validation from Rikuo instead. That is something a sick person would do. It is hurting both her and Rikuo though, so at the same time I really wanna believe she's doing all of it because she really wants to move on. Ahhhh life is hard, man. And this anime shows it p e r f e c t l y. |
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ToraiS said: Levais said: For me Rou with the phrase "I want to take my brother's place" doesn't mean that he wants to be Yuu, but to be for Shinako what Yuu was, the person she loves. So in my opinion he isn't using the figure of his brother to favor himself or at least he doesn't do it with malice. That's just reaching for straws, imo. Prior to the "place" quote, he says something in the lines of, "I'm the only one who knows how important he is to you. That's why I'll growing up as fast as I can so that I can protect you in place of my brother." Not only it is such a pretentious quote i.e implying Shinako can't handle herself, your opinion basically retconned what happened. If he just wants to be loved by Shinako romantically, it's safer to not build a relationship in a shaky foundation, i.e his brothers death in which he feels the needs to mention a lot to shake Shinako away from Yuu (red flag). Rather, even though he needs to toss away what he built back in the past, it's safer and healthier just be himself, be Rou, and not the younger brother of a dead man because if that is his only identity, Shinako would only associate him such and never a true romantic interest. Even if Shinako accepted Rou's feeling's right then and there, Rou will not learn anything and Shinako cannot move on from her past; a certain lose-lose scenario not to mention the moral problems in association. Shinako herself tells Rikuo that she needs someone to drag her, so at the moment she is unable to handle herself, but she needs someone, Rou simply wants to be that someone. Then on the fact that he must be himself and not the shadow of his brother I agree, but I repeat this three have such a weird relationship than for Rou it's difficult not to compare with Yuu. I think the last person he would like to name with Shinako is Yuu, given his feelings, but it's almost inevitable. |
| I was gonna begin this post saying how Rou is annoyingly unbearable to watch (while, hey, being at least consistent to his established character), but @ToraiS made already a super job at it so I recommend reading his replies. I'll only add that he feels more as a 'catalyst' that moves the triangle by forcefully making people jealous rather than a *real* part of the romance (in the last two episodes' spirit), I'll be VERY VERY surprised if he ends up with either Haru or Shinako. Without a doubt the worst character of the series. Alright, I still don't like how the episode is based around the consequences of the two last episodes' shitshow, but I'll admit that it wasn't too bad. I pretty much adored Shinako in this episode. I see why someone might be angered by her (paraphrased) 'Rikuo, you should act more as Rou'. But if you see the context, it makes sense and wasn't denigratory or anything. In fact, it was more the other way around. The character that at the beginning of the series made Rikuo realize his indecisiveness is reintroduced here and tells him *again* how he should be more assertive. You can see by his reaction that that's what he was thinking about in the scene with Shinako I mentioned above. Returning to Shinako, I felt that what she said was more self-criticizing than anything. She's constantly flip-flopping between her feelings. First, she rejects Rikuo but then she continues to rely on him every time she felt overwhelmed. She hates how she can't answer genuinely to Rou and Rikuo, but she still wants them in her life. And well, the last-minute scene makes it clear: she hates how her selfishness wants Rikuo to be more assertive while also having rejected him already. But there are things I still don't like about her, she's *too* inconsistent. As I said myself, 'flip-flopping between her feelings' is certainly a cardinal aspect of her character but taken too far it seems more a forceful way to stop or progress the romance at the author's desire (I know, technically every romance is like that but YwU doesn't feel natural in that regard and that's not good). |
| aigh folks, I just finish the manga, I encourage you to not read the manga, because I believe the anime will do a lot better jobs. |
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| Although I'm glad that Rikuo and Haru made up with each other at the start of the episode, I have to wonder how much the food bill came to. They must've spent more than the average worker's daily wage for all of the food that Haru ordered! XD Aside from that, this episode had a lot of character progression with everyone. Rikuo's job switch to photography is a bit challenging, but he does show enthusiasm in getting better at it. The pictures he took at his friend's wedding looked nice. The main talking point of the episode is the ongoing drama with Shinako and Rou. You can see how they're trying their best to move on from Yuu's death, but their goals are putting each other ad odds with one another. I feel that Rou's impatience in wanting to grow up as fast as possible so that he can protect Shinako in place of his deceased brother is starting to backfire on him now. I just hope he realises what damage he's doing with this stance and changes it before he does something that he'll regret. Afterwards, Shinako and Rikuo had a good chat about Rou and being honest about her own faults and I do welcome how she's being so open to Rikuo. Afterwards, she caught him off-guard when she invited him to come into her apartment. I can only wonder what will happen next, now. =3 The new ED song is really good, but I love the use of the arcade game. I wonder if what we see in this game is a hint on what's to come later on. Either that, or I'm taking this a bit too seriously. ^_^; |
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