What taste / fandom / type of fan gets the most shit from other fans?
| For equality reasons I can oppress everyone in balance. I need to get off my internalized anime hate somewhere. |
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Chiibi said: MathValim said: Other people disliking anime that you like isn't oppression, man, come on… Of course not...but we're talking about actual bullying here. Example: "All fans of [X] are idiots who should kill themselves." You might argue 'They're just joking'. But that's really not funny...especially when many anime fans already have depression or have a hard time being accepted for one reason or another. There are several people in the real world being treated like shit (and in worst cases getting killed for it) for their gender, race, ethnicity, religious beliefs, disabilities, etc, and yet you guys have the gal to think that people having different tastes in japanese cartoons is oppression. |
MeisterDM said: Chiibi said: Of course not...but we're talking about actual bullying here. Example: "All fans of [X] are idiots who should kill themselves." You might argue 'They're just joking'. But that's really not funny...especially when many anime fans already have depression or have a hard time being accepted for one reason or another. There are several people in the real world being treated like shit (and in worst cases getting killed for it) for their gender, race, ethnicity, religious beliefs, disabilities, etc, and yet you guys have the gal to think that people having different tastes in japanese cartoons is oppression. Are you going to sit there and tell me "Go kill yourself for liking this" ISN'T bullying? Cause I'm pretty sure it is. Way to miss the f*cking point. |
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| It depends what you consider an anime 'fan,' but casuals and mainstream watchers seem to think it's okay to denigrate female characters drawn in certain ways. Descriptions are thrown around like 'sex objects' and 'plastic dolls' as if this is the way the fans see them. Similarly, it's not uncommon to see cute girl shows attacked for having characters that 'aren't even human.' As if they shouldn't even be considered characters to begin with. This could be seen as an attack on quite a large number of anime fans, other casuals and hardcore hobbyists alike, but I think it's quite clearly meant to belittle so-called 'weebs' and as a way to separate certain fans from others. I voted 'ecchi' for lack of a better option, but I guess CGDCT could also work, but I think anyone who likes female anime characters (bishoujo, moe, etc.) is at risk for being called a sexist or a pedo by others, despite the ironic sexist implications of the insults. For a lot of us, characters and their designs are incredibly important so I feel like this is a more personal insult than just dismissing a certain genre of anime. I think all of this happens in its most extreme form outside of MAL, rather than in it, but it's still a part of the anime community as a whole and this may be why there are so many self-hating people with anime girl avatars online (aka 'ironic weebs'). |
syncrogazerJan 17, 2020 3:06 PM
| Hating a genre ≠ hating on the fandom of that genre. There's loads of tying them together in this thread. |
Kiyomice said: Hating a genre ≠ hating on the fandom of that genre. There's loads of tying them together in this thread. This may be true, but they seem to go hand in hand fairly often from what I've seen. At least it feels that way when it comes to certain genre like shounen (which is actually more of a demographic than a genre, but whatever) |
Kiyomice said: Hating a genre ≠ hating on the fandom of that genre. There's loads of tying them together in this thread. It is indirectly hateful. Saying "SOL isn't quality anime because it lacks depth in the plot" is indirectly saying fans of SOL have shit taste. It's also ignorant of what makes a piece of art high quality or not, but that debate is besides the point. All genre critique is indirectly attacking the fans. Sure, sometimes it's not a big deal. If someone wanted to take a jab at SOL in a friendly way for how it often lacks much of a story, all while recognizing that SOL isn't inherently worse as art because of it, but rather just worse for them maybe, for their taste... if someone were to do that then there will probably be some hyper-sensitive person, or just someone in a bad mood somewhere, who takes offense, even if most wouldn't. Everyone has their line where it becomes too much and it varies a lot by person. You can never seperate the critique of genre with critique of the fandom. No matter how humble and friendly one tries to be when making the critique. Part of the reason I made this post in the jokey way using the phrase "oppression olympics" was to try and avoid the hyper-sensitivity, because if we try to avoid offending people as much as possible, it becomes impossible to have interesting discussions about genres and tropes. So I think it's better everyone has a slightly better sense of humor about it. Not that I'm saying we should put up with genuinely hateful stuff that is so far along the spectrum that 90% of people are going to agree it's too much. And that's kind of the other side to the discussion that @Chiibi posted passionately about. |
| “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” -Friedrich Nietzsche Aggregate scoring is bad for the anime fandom |
syncrogazer said: I think all of this happens in its most extreme form outside of MAL, rather than in it, but it's still a part of the anime community as a whole and this may be why there are so many self-hating people with anime girl avatars online (aka 'ironic weebs'). Man I can't stand the ironic weeb types that constantly slander themselves and the community. I don't get the mentality of those people at all, but it seems to me like they have a very weak frame and buy in to the bullshit that gets thrown at the community from the outside and instead of seeing things differently, just meekly give in and see themselves as trash. But as to your point about the community outside MAL, you're right and it's the reason the MAL forums are my favourite community space. Twitter is a war zone. You have the people you follow and your followers and there's a network which could be described as AniTwitter. There's a great sense of togetherness in AniTwitter but it's sort of unity that comes from being in a war. It's still quite stressful. Reddit feels like a social event where the host has invited too many people so there's a ton of friction due to how many people are there outside your clique. So you and the other real anime fans are constantly surrounded by toxic outsiders who are drunk on karma and quick to be assholes if they can get away with it, which they can because they outnumber the actual anime fans. MAL is like a small town. It's out of the way so only people that really want to live there move in. Most of the regular posters know each other and while there's a few village idiots they can be ignored / laughed at. Ok, not to toot my own horn but that was pretty spot on I think. Saving that shit. |
| “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” -Friedrich Nietzsche Aggregate scoring is bad for the anime fandom |
YossaRedMage said: Man I can't stand the ironic weeb types that constantly slander themselves and the community. I don't get the mentality of those people at all, but it seems to me like they have a very weak frame and buy in to the bullshit that gets thrown at the community from the outside and instead of seeing things differently, just meekly give in and see themselves as trash. 'Anime is trash and so am I" is a meme I really dislike. Hope it dies soon. lol I think anime is a gift...and having high self esteem is important if you truly want to be happy with who you are. (and yes, I know it's just a joke with some people but I think it's a dumb one) |
ChiibiJan 17, 2020 5:32 PM
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| Mecha and Ecchi are the most oppressed, but I can see why for most of Ecchi, lots of their stories are half-ass and just a filler for the real 'plot' |
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HeruruMeruru said: Every single time there's any sort of thread about shipping, especially if it's slash, on MAL there's always people saying they're delusional or some shit. OH YEAH. xD People called me 'delusional' when I mentioned I could sense something between Yato and Hiyori in Noragami season 1. Then Aragoto happened. WELL, WHO'S DELUSIONAL NOW!? Then they go "There were no hints! It's pandering!" It's amazing how dense people are...remember episode 05? THAT WAS YOUR HINT. Girls don't put their hands on faces of guys we're not into, okay. xD |
ChiibiJan 17, 2020 8:42 PM
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| As per personal experience, BL it is. And battle shounen. |
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| @Setsuei Yes they can go hand in hand, but that's not always the case. @YossaRedMage No, that makes no sense. I don't like harems, but do I think badly of people who do? Do I disrespect them? No, not at all. I couldn't care less if someone likes harems, If anything, I'm happy for them to enjoy it so much. But my distaste for it is personal preference, and we All have things we dislike. Disliking something does not mean you are in any way, shape, or form, being "indirectly hateful" towards the fandom. I could give you a ton of reasons why I dislike harems and absolutely none of them would have anything to do with the fandom. People need to accept that not everyone likes the same things, and that's completely fine. |
| Mainstream (not a genre or subfandom so much but the type of taste where the person only watches and likes the top 2-3 anime every season) (your vote) Definitely this, people can't digest the fact that some people wouldn't waste their time experimenting stuff, its safe for them to just watch the top ones. They get called fucking casuals and stuff but only question I'd like to ask them is what do they get from watching literally everything? And most of the times they'll rate those shows low, its seems like watching anime is a chore for them, something they feel like they are obligated to do. I mean if you've got enough time to watch all anime , great! But dont make fun of us! |
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YossaRedMage said: Kiyomice said: Hating a genre ≠ hating on the fandom of that genre. There's loads of tying them together in this thread. It is indirectly hateful. Saying "SOL isn't quality anime because it lacks depth in the plot" is indirectly saying fans of SOL have shit taste. It's also ignorant of what makes a piece of art high quality or not, but that debate is besides the point. Not really. There are ways to be indirectly hateful of a fandom while criticizing a genre. If I say the concept of mecha is stupid to me I am not either directly or indirectly saying that mecha fans are. If I say that mecha is for people with low IQs I'm however indirectly calling their fans stupid. I'm not insulting anybody directly, however I'm disrespecting, I dunno, GundamKaiser87 with my statement by simple association. This particularly has traditionally happened a LOT with CGDCT/moe. It's rare that people call you a weirdo, a deviant or a dumbass unless they have a grudge with you but it's so very common that they do so through formulas like "this show is for pedos/perverts/weirdos", "only people with low standards can enjoy it", etc. Or, also common, the talk around mainstream anime that heavily insinuates that the fandom just follows trends and doesn't think on their own. Nobody is pointing at RoronoaUchiha and telling "hey, you can't think on your own". No one calls FunThingsAreFun a pedo or a weirdo directly. They wouldn't dare. But by association, by the mere fact they are part of the fandom that is indirectly being painted as certain kind of people because of course these shows are for that certain kind of people. It's passive-aggressive and safe, and it works very well to insult people while avoiding personal confrontation. |
jal90Jan 18, 2020 2:07 AM
Chiibi said: HeruruMeruru said: Every single time there's any sort of thread about shipping, especially if it's slash, on MAL there's always people saying they're delusional or some shit. OH YEAH. xD People called me 'delusional' when I mentioned I could sense something between Yato and Hiyori in Noragami season 1. Then Aragoto happened. WELL, WHO'S DELUSIONAL NOW!? Then they go "There were no hints! It's pandering!" It's amazing how dense people are...remember episode 05? THAT WAS YOUR HINT. Girls don't put their hands on faces of guys we're not into, okay. xD Shipping is a bad thing when several people priortize who's going to end up with who over over the story and characters. Also, I dislike when people talk about shipping in a series with barely any romance such as attack on titan and gintama. I only ship pairings that have a good chance of becoming canon (which is why my main ships aka Shirou x Rin and Firo x Ennis are canon). I don't have much OTPs to begin with. And yes I'm one of those people who dislike seeing people shipping two characters who are clearly not into each other or are just friends. |
deg said: Mecha is the most oppressed genre to the point no one cares about it anymore or only few left cares about it Ive personally always had a hard time enjoying mecha, but even I know that mecha has been unjustly been pushed aside from all the other genres So I def agree with you here. I hope to give it a chance soon once my list has died down a bit |
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deg said: Mecha is the most oppressed genre to the point no one cares about it anymore or only few left cares about it Absolutely right. I'm from Germany and here it is even worse with the Mecha-Hate in the community. I think it's too outlandish for some people. But it's just normal Action but with big robots that are piloted. |
| Honestly I almost wanna say shounen anime because those tend to have the most antis crying about pRoBlEmAtIc ships and other shit. From what I've seen those people are really extreme when it comes to bullying. |
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MeisterDM said: Shipping is a bad thing when several people priortize who's going to end up with who over over the story and characters. Well, THERE'S your first mistake. Shipping is never a "bad thing". People can have any priorities for ANY reason; who are you to tell them they can't? |
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| I regrouped them since I didn't totally agree with the groupings. 1. Ecchi/BL: These fanbases get attacked personally a lot with many arguing that they have horrible views on sex or relationships just because they enjoy series from these genres. They win pretty easily since people will argue you are a horrible person just for enjoying them. All the other fanbase/genres I haven't really seen that kind of venom directed at them compared to these two. 2. CGDCT / SOL: More the CGDCT aspect or moe but tons of fans hate on these kinds of shows for ruining anime purely because they don't like the cutsey side of it. The fanbase for these shows are some of the better ones as well so yeah they get unfairly treated. 3. Battle / Typical / Mahou Shounen/ Mainstream: Grouped these together because they often occupy the same circles. They aren't that hated when you also think about how much praise they get. You may get a few negative comments out of 100's of positive ones in a massive echo chamber. They are pretty normal well liked shows. Some circles may look down on you but it's more in the dedicated anime community. Plus most of the hatred comes from fans of other battle shonen or mainstream shows anyway. It's just the nature of popularity. 4. Shoujo / Josei: I wouldn't say they are oppressed or hated most people are just dismissve about series from these demographics than anything. I haven't encountered vitriolic hatred for enjoying shojo on the internet or IRL. 5. Underground Classics / "Hipster" Anime: Not in the slightest partially because many haven't seen them but most backlash against this sub set of fandom is perceived elitism. It has very little to do with the quality or content of the shows. |
BilboBaggins365Jan 19, 2020 5:27 PM
| I don't get any flak for my watching's but I sure as hell shit on shounen whenever a chance arises. Oh, yeah and rightfully so. |
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