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Sep 28, 2009 1:01 AM

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Man, the more I have watched the last 2 minutes, I think Elen was killed with Reiji.

She smiles and then she fades away symbolically. Then we find her laying STILL on the ground with no movement and the one petal off the flower is gone. Even though they only show one bullet shell at the end, that could be another hint that that bullet was for Elen since we saw Reiji die. Hell the episode was named after her.

I think they were both killed. If Reiji was that close to her, why would the assassin kill just him but let her live? It was a double whack job I bet.
Sep 28, 2009 2:34 AM

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I think the ending Sorta matched anime really well but i just wasnt happy with Reiji and elen dying, i guess no one would lol.
Sep 28, 2009 2:45 AM

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Ending sucks.. aghh.. oh well.
Sep 28, 2009 4:11 AM

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Yes, it was Lelouch who shot Reiji.

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA you, Sir, made my day

CAL Justice is Done

QFT +1 WOOORD .. CAL R.I.P.

I liked it .. 8/10
Sep 28, 2009 4:17 AM
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Man... Why did Reiji have to die? That kinda sucked.
Sep 28, 2009 4:33 AM
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These ep made me almost cry..
he goes on about how his only goal in life is to make elen smile and gets killed right before she does...
that just is so sad
Sep 28, 2009 4:42 AM
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Damn, Bee Train pulled this stunt in Noir as well. Did they bring Shin'ichiro Watanabe in to guest direct or something?

I suppose the ending makes "sense" given the title is "Requiem for the Phantom". Once again the Japanese catch us English-speakers off guard by using titles which we assume to be a random mashup of words completely literally. Heck, the warning signs were right there in "Phantom of Inferno". Damn it, I'm never going to get used to this.

At the very least, I'm glad they followed Ein's route from the VN - standard practice is to follow the default route, which would have been Mio's - but this explained a lot more, and must have let them feel clever by unsubtly dropping the word Mongolia in the first two "Acts". However, I was disappointed by Scythe's death: instead of dying in utter terror as he realises that Ein is not his puppet, he dies in ecstasy at the thought that Ein exceeded his calculations. I'm pretty sure this is in stark contrast to him squeaking like a little girl when Reiji comes to kill him at the end of Act One.

I do agree that the Zahlenschwesten (did I spell that right?) were under-used, and while Bee Train is to blame for that, it wasn't an immediate consequence of some decision. Remember all that filler in Act One? That took up precious time which was no longer available to do a proper fight with them at the end of the season; they had to cram an awful lot into that last episode and they didn't do a bad job in that respect.

On the flip side, did we really want a long, drawn-out battle with them? Bee Train's actions scenes have traditionally been short and snappy, and devoting an entire episode to a fight veers dangerously into Bleach territory. If memory serves, even the VN didn't devote more than twenty minutes to killing them off, and that was narrated.
Sep 28, 2009 4:44 AM
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I liked the ending for the most part, but I thought the missing petal was sort of showing how Elen is incomplete (missing memory), and that's the way it would stay. In other words there is no way to fix this, it's permanent.

Anyway, like I said pretty good ending, and overall very good series. It did slowdown a but in the middle through the end, episodes 15-22 mostly imo.

8/10
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Sep 28, 2009 6:34 AM

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Nayrael I want to hear your opinion about this ending and frankly speaking what you would say about it would most probably be what I agree to.

Well anyway I think she actually is dead. It was just a symbol (the flower) it doesn't have to have a real-life adequate. It was a symbol that when the petal is gone it is to be assumed that it killed her. The theory that she didn't notice that he is dead is stupid. Only a stupid screenwriter in a stupid anime would make such a stupid choice. Not noticing his dead? Oh come on you gotta be kidding.

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You said they deserved to die because they killed innocent people.
My answer to this: what the fuck? Innocent? Is this some kind of a joke? Do you think Inferno would issue the order to murder just a regular Mr. Smith walking on the street? They were killing villains, mafia, drug dealers and other murderers. I don't really think you can call them "innocent".
Sep 28, 2009 6:37 AM

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Are you forgetting that Reiji had to kill an innocent child in the first arc? I'm sure it wasn't the first time that Inferno ordered for the death of innocent family members in order to coax negotiations.
Sep 28, 2009 6:53 AM

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What the hell?! Why did it had to turn out so bad in the last few minutes?!
Though both of them looked satisfied, so that's a good point. But Reji didn't live long enough to see Elen's real smile...
Sep 28, 2009 7:10 AM

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Are you forgetting that Reiji had to kill an innocent child in the first arc?

Yes I am.
Still it's a world they lived in. They didn't enjoy it, it's just how the matters went on they found themselves in the spiral, a loop with no end.
And well there are too many people in the world - a few less won't make a difference (now let me see as this causes a flame war, it really intrigues me ;x).
Sep 28, 2009 8:03 AM

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REIJI~!! ;____;
I really didn't see that coming.... T___T

Great but sad ending ♥ 8/10
Sep 28, 2009 8:31 AM

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the ending was kinda good until reiji gets shot and we still dont know why Elen smiled and still was enjoying the sky...I dont think she died. Although I dont either think she lives whilst knowing that Reiji died.
Sep 28, 2009 9:08 AM
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Also, to add to what I said previously I think that Elen just smiled and "gave up". Mainly because she said that her only reason for living was to protect Reiji and when she failed she mentally brokedown. So in other words she didn't die, she just gave up on life.
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Sep 28, 2009 9:33 AM

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Fuck....


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Sep 28, 2009 10:45 AM

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Well...the ending was f-ed up, other than that, this show has been satisfying most of the time.
Glad to see them all die, I dunno if Elen died or not, nor do I care. I adore her character, and am happy to see her happy at the ending of the show.

As for Reiji dying or not, I stopped paying attention to cliffhanger endings after Code geass R2. As far as it goes with me, they are all dead, end of story.

BUT! This ending leaves space for S2, even though I seriously doubt it's going to happen.
Sep 28, 2009 10:48 AM

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9/10, took me a while to understand what exactly happened, but WOW that scene with elen holding up the gun to scythe master, she finally pulled the trigger i was worried she wouldnt. I think they both died.. even the ending sign somewhat signifies that they both vanished (transparent) but who knows. great series
Sep 28, 2009 11:07 AM

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I knew Reiji would die but they could have a better job. His death felt stupid, so stupid he should have been dead long ago in that back alley where Ein found him.
When Reiji killed that mafia boss' wife and child, I hoped something similar was going to happen. Well that never did, instead loli->guns->bitch transformation happened.

/end of negative rant.

Still I kind of liked it and so I will properly watch the last few episodes later.

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Sep 28, 2009 11:09 AM

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Wait... wut? From happy ending to "everyone dies"-ending in a flash. It was a pretty nice episode though.

Overall this anime had it's moments but some some episodes felt kinda "meh".

7/10
Sep 28, 2009 11:11 AM

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I kind of wish a second season and/or OVAs would be animated to be alternative endings now...that sort of thing is only starting to catch on with anime titles such as Clannad. But I guess it all depends on the popularity of the show which would result in a bigger budget for that to made reality.
Sep 28, 2009 11:39 AM

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Reiji has got the right idea. He dies so he doesn't have to see how bad Bee Train would screw this up.
Sep 28, 2009 11:52 AM

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madaodono said:
I knew Reiji would die but they could have a better job. His death felt stupid, so stupid he should have been dead long ago in that back alley where Ein found him. Death Note's ending was certainly better, the main char got more and more twisted and finally died in vain. When Reiji killed that mafia boss' wife and child, I hoped something similar was going to happen. Well that never did, instead loli->guns->bitch transformation happened.

/end of negative rant.

Still I kind of liked it and so I will properly watch the last few episodes later.


did you just reveal DN's ending or i see it wrong?

anyway what the fuck was that?

certainly, they couldnt make better conclusion than Reiji being shot by some random old coach-man in the middle of mongolian steppes in the last minute of a show after 26 episodes with him being totally baddas and having godly supah powah x_X
Sep 28, 2009 12:43 PM

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A show like this deserves an ending like that. I think they did a nice job.
Sep 28, 2009 2:46 PM

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slowest drive-by shooting ever! For christ sake...
He was most likely chasing after their bus! That assasin didnt have money for a car, so he choosed the donkey cart
Crying out loud... -_-

Well the series was good 8 from me :)
Sep 28, 2009 2:51 PM

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certainly, they couldnt make better conclusion than Reiji being shot by some random old coach-man in the middle of mongolian steppes in the last minute of a show after 26 episodes with him being totally baddas and having godly supah powah x_X


Although I do agree with this, I have to say that his whole point of wanting to keep on living was to see Elen smile at least once, and he did...for me, it's great romantic death, although stupid.
Sep 28, 2009 3:27 PM
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*when i saw mcguire say ; Now its our time to do something, i knew someone had to die, and when that cart came by with some shady guy with shaded eyes, i knew,,, This is it -> Pjew->Dead (Wtf survives 10 shots -> Dies by one stupid silenced shot...)
To say things easy: Reiji completed his promise, Ellen said: Now I can live on ... or something like that.
So both Happy

SO now im wondering... why only Reiji? why didnt they shoot ein? unless we use the magic bullet theorie, she doesnt get shot. Second. Ein is an assasins, at least she could have heard a silenced shot... But in the end , romantic ending, ein lives on, end of story.
Sep 28, 2009 3:54 PM

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Airitoizzy said:
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So everyone is dead.. Except that sexy guy with the purple hair. McGuire was it? He is sexy.

Sexy, yes, but also pointless -_-;; In terms of the show, he was nothing more than a figurehead.


Who cares if he is pointless? He is sexy and FAPULOUS. Thanks to him, female viewers, or even males, can have some enjoyment in this otherwise dark grim ep ;)

Date Masamune: " RET'S FAP GUYZ ! PUT YA GUNS ON !!!"


RAYMOND




Um guuuuys it's a bit too much ;x

SO now im wondering... why only Reiji? why didnt they shoot ein? unless we use the magic bullet theorie, she doesnt get shot. Second. Ein is an assasins, at least she could have heard a silenced shot... But in the end , romantic ending, ein lives on, end of story.

Read the entire topic. There were at least three theories on that.
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Sep 28, 2009 9:01 PM
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The ending was perfect. Death gave a lot more meaning to their purpose and leaving the scene open to the audience made it worthwhile. In an odd way it reminded me of Neon Genesis Evangelion. The Mongolian scenery was really cool. Phantom Requiem 10/10. (lol at Scythe Master.. what a D)
Sep 28, 2009 10:36 PM

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It's like Reiji's role is done, that's why he died at the end... Ohh... that's so sad! When the time came for Elen and Reiji to be happy, this happens... Oh well, Liked the fight scenes and the ending too!

9/10 coz Reiji died!
Sep 28, 2009 11:10 PM

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that was fricking retarded. what a stupid way to end a show. here you got these amazing assassins that lived through all this shit and then end up getting killed by the slowest drive by shootings ever. well, this series never made enough sense to me. i never understood why cal hated reiji so much, yeah he left her but why the hell would you go friggen crazy and wanna kill his ass, and reiji never even tried to explain what happened, he rather just kill her? the fawk. stupid stupid.
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Sep 29, 2009 12:17 AM

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@UP
If you read this topic http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=106137
you may find yourself a better ending.
My favorite is From Atop The Hill.
Sep 29, 2009 12:31 AM

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the action part was awesome, the "Zahlenschwestern" were lame ducks.

But, oh no that ending was, I wished I had stopped the vid before the scene ; (
Why did they have to die, after they went through all the bad things?
Im f**** sad
It looked like Elen was shot, too

So many characters died:
Lizzie
Cal
Reiji
Elen
McCunnen???

because of the previous plot 7/10

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Sep 29, 2009 3:28 AM

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Im gona just go with they both died from a combination of the brain damage caused by erasing thier memories and allergies....
Sep 29, 2009 6:04 AM
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To be honest..i'm not satisfied with the ending..but i know that this sort of ending can only suit this anime....it is mysterious, unpredictable, sad...and always missing sumthing...

Though i'm happy for Cal because she is satisfied and happy to be killed by Reiji....Y^Y Cal was never a bad girl...... Freaking sad that Reiji died...Y^Y it was heart breaking when he was staring at the dawn after the shot........
well i believe it is only a matter of time that Elen would die....because the inferno will take action, they know that Cal died, they killed Reiji...and soon Elen....
as you see
they three are phantoms.....
after their mission, after they receive their happiness or freedom..something of that sort...
they will eventually vanished from the world.......
they are the ghosts....
they are the almighty phantom of the requiem that does not exist....

P.S Phantom Requiem for the phantom, i love it till the end<3
Sep 29, 2009 6:18 AM

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that was fricking retarded. what a stupid way to end a show. here you got these amazing assassins that lived through all this shit and then end up getting killed by the slowest drive by shootings ever. well, this series never made enough sense to me. i never understood why cal hated reiji so much, yeah he left her but why the hell would you go friggen crazy and wanna kill his ass, and reiji never even tried to explain what happened, he rather just kill her? the fawk. stupid stupid.


Actually, he did. But she punched him before he could finish, and went on about how she's going to make him suffer lots before she kills him.
Sep 29, 2009 7:42 AM

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finally that psyco old man die
i hate him



Sep 29, 2009 7:53 AM

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finally that psyco old man die
i hate him

I hated him, too
He was such a disgusting character with his attitude and his fetish for lube.
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Sep 29, 2009 9:47 AM

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This ending just pissed me off. Why didn't they just kill them off in a blaze of glory and or with a final kiss and a confession as they both died in each others arms or something. They were assassinated in Mongolia? Really? Why? I don't get it at all, their phantom abilities didn't notice anything with the guy in the cart? Oh well, that ending and the recaps spoiled this series for me. It's melancholic attempt ending failed. My impression was that it wasn't over yet. Oh well, 7/10
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Stupid ending, but w/e....just glad that Scythe is dead.
Sep 29, 2009 2:15 PM

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...WTF.

Reiji died? For real? Shot by a random person? With no explainations? Fuck no. This is a retarded, stupid, disappointing end. Not 1, not 2, but 3 of the 3 main characters died? I've had enough of seeing a great series awfully ruined due to such things happening.

I don't get it. Everything was going on smoothly: Scythe finally died, Elen and Reiji happily being in Mongolia 6 moths after, and then boom, suddenly the ending becomes crap. Seriously, no. You have to answer to a few questions, bitches.
What was the identity of the person who shot Reiji? Was he one of McGuire's followers? Did Raymond McGuire meant to say "the last 2 Phantoms must die" when he said "there are still things to do"? Was Elen dead too at the end? And especially, why do people enjoy to ruin great anime so much?

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Sep 29, 2009 2:58 PM

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If anyone is interested, I edited the final episode a bit. I removed the entire cart scene (except for when you first see the cart far away), and when Reiji falls over. I also removed the ending credits (including Elen's controversial final shot, since some people do think she is dead there), and replaced it with the original "Transparent" ED.

If anyone wants the file , PM me. It's an .avi, and is about 257MB (that's as small as I could get it before it the quality would be shitty)
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...WTF.

Reiji died? For real? Shot by a random person? With no explainations? Fuck no. This is a retarded, stupid, disappointing end. Not 1, not 2, but 3 of the 3 main characters died? I've had enough of seeing a great series awfully ruined due to such things happening.

I don't get it. Everything was going on smoothly: Scythe finally died, Elen and Reiji happily being in Mongolia 6 moths after, and then boom, suddenly the ending becomes crap. Seriously, no. You have to answer to a few questions, bitches.
What was the identity of the person who shot Reiji? Was he one of McGuire's followers? Did Raymond McGuire meant to say "the last 2 Phantoms must die" when he said "there are still things to do"? Was Elen dead too at the end? And especially, why do people enjoy to ruin great anime so much?


Agreed. I didn't understand this show. The constant plot changes, the crappy dialogue and craps ass episodes here and there. Some dude walked off the street and directed this show, because there were terrible decision choices as to where the show went. And I still cant get over the fact that it took 26 episodes to end like that, they could have done that bullshit in 13.

And they died in Mongolia?? Ha. 6 no 5/10.

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Well... it's an interesting ending... This is how I understood it...
McGuire DID mean '2 remaining phantoms must die', because it's obvious that they can't have them just walking around... anywhere... It's an old story of 'because they know too much'.
Inferno could just leave them alone... but they couldn't be sure phantoms will not want to come back into 'the game'... so they just killed them when they were vulnerable...
The ending is sad... but at least it's quite realistic (since anyone could see from the start that this story has a 'realistic/classy story, over-the-top action' format)...
And the last scene seemed quite classy imo... It didn't show everything exactly, like the fact how Elen actually died (but for me it's pretty obvious SHE IS DEAD!)...
And for people who don't think it was McGuire who sent the guy that killed Reiji... who could've done that? Since EVERYONE ELSE IS DEAD! (well... except for Mista Shiga... I guess...)
Overall the story was really twisted... and Lizzie died which wasn't a good thing... but on the other hand I can't really complain since ALMOST EVERYONE DIED! :O


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Just how was the story classy? We had Reiji kill a child, Claudia seduce and have sex with a child, SM molest children, and Cal's "grown up" presentation as a whole, among other things. The show wasn't ever really all that realistic since their depictions of organized crime, especially in America, was almost fantastical. The show was over the top pretty much from the outset. The first few episodes were a little deceiving in that they took a more somber and grounded approach, but definitely by the time the first arc ended we weren't anywhere in the realm of realism.
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Just how was the story classy? We had Reiji kill a child, Claudia seduce and have sex with a child, SM molest children, and Cal's "grown up" presentation as a whole, among other things. The show wasn't ever really all that realistic since their depictions of organized crime, especially in America, was almost fantastical. The show was over the top pretty much from the outset. The first few episodes were a little deceiving in that they took a more somber and grounded approach, but definitely by the time the first arc ended we weren't anywhere in the realm of realism.


I perfectly agree with this.
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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Sep 29, 2009 6:19 PM

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Soo Elen is Alive O_o


Of course the probabilities that she's alive are extremely high, which part of the episode made you think she isnt'? In the ending scene, absolutely nothing suggests she dies, she just lies in a bed of flowers since she's happy that she's in her home country for the first time in 5 years and that everything ended well, nothing more. She's got no weapon, no lethal tool, nothing to commit suicide, and judging on the scene, she probably doesn't even know until after the ending that Reiji has been killed. Another fact is that there is but one bullet shell on the ground, so the assassin didn't shoot her. Seriously, how can you deduce that she's dead? If you look properly at the facts and analyze what's on the screen, you should know that (and that this serie is average at most, you don't really have to conjecture or deduce anything to know that :)).


I have to agree. Reiji was assassinated by Inferno because he deserted them and they where still hunting him down. Similar to how Claudia was hunted down and ultimately shot by her friend and subordinate. Elen wasn't shot because she wasn't an Inferno member, only a middle man..a highered gun if you will.

I suspect Elen turned and smiled because she thought Reiji was relaxing. Before he gets shot he says "There is still one promise I must keep..someday... to find your true smile", so I think it's fitting that while he's laying there on the ground and his mind starts fading away, he gets to see her true smile. That part where she's smiling and it seems like it lasts forever is actually his point of view I believe. Her smile is embedded into his eyes as he dies. She probably wont notice he's dead till later.

PS. guy in the carriage looks similar to the guy who gave them directions on how to get to that field.


Like your explanation. It seems logical and the images on Reiji's mind was a beautiful way to put it. But am still wondering about Elen lying there looking lifeless. I wonder if she committed suicide. That flower might actually be poison or something like that.

I have to agree with the many people who say that the other phantoms were taken out very easily. I understand that Elen and Reiji were more experienced and also knew the methods of the other Phantoms but still it wasn't made very good.

The anime had mistakes and was far from perfect like many said but still i enjoyed it and it was visually good also. I have to say that i liked the ending. I think it was the best they could do.

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i guess no one else noticed the last of his 6 phantoms shown as they left. elen only beat her up didnt shoot or stab her......


Hmm... maybe a deliberate thing for a possible season 2? Of course she can still be dead since a person can die by certain hits on the body and head.
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her chest wasnt going up and down at the end so she could have commited suicide and she was the one who shot renji. the shell was on the grass just pointing that out. elen looked back at renji and didnt do anything just layed down she carred about him she would have done something if she hadnt shot him in the first place.
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They never animate a character inhaling and exhaling, unless they are out of breath. The characters go throughout the anime without their chests "going up and down", so I guess they have been dead since the beginning if you go by that logic.

Elen's last thought was continuing to live on and she would rather be dead than live in a world without Reiji. Anyone who thinks she killed Reiji need to watch the show again.

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Like your explanation. It seems logical and the images on Reiji's mind was a beautiful way to put it. But am still wondering about Elen lying there looking lifeless. I wonder if she committed suicide. That flower might actually be poison or something like that.


Geraniums are not poisonous. Even if they were, you would have to ingest waaaaaaaaaaay more than a little petal.
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