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Major_Matt said: ssjokg said: This is a drop in cg animation...are you serious.... And ffs people dont watch this to see Sakura's sideboob. You can watch any weekly anime and get more fanservice than this.You are projecting .Stop that. And she doesnt want sex.She needs it because of the experiments Zouken did on her.It isnt there for us to feel horny and not because she was raped either, it is a freaking plot point. The whole reason she even eats random people is because it has the same result as sex for her. Ok im just gonna leave one last comment cause I already know how dealing with fans goes. 1. People may not go in wanting something sexual but they sure as hell do come out with a better opinion because they saw some sexy shit (was there a sideboob btw? I just notices all the sexual insinuations and the poses she makes where she pushes her boobs up) 2. Also don't give me that "reason" behind her needing sex. Anyone with a brain can tell that was thought up after the fact. I watched too many harem anime to know how the thinking process of these writers goes. As for it being a plot point... Don't make me insult the writers skill which i know they have by their other works (Ubw and zero). If anything i truly belive that the writer wrote the Heaven's feel route at the end just so he could satisfy his fantasies. 1. This is the most retarded think I have heard.No that is a lie but I have to get the message across.What you just said makes no sense and your own opinion is proof.If you didnt notice your own opinion contradicts itself.So stop projecting. 2.Now you went full retard and this time it isnt a lie. In Zero Kiritsugu fucks Miaya to make but that makes perfect sense right? SuiNoByakko said: But I feel disappointed. Sakura has ought to be the stupidest character in entire Fate franchise. How exactly did she intend to kill Zoukenon her own? What did she think would happen when she returned to Matou house? How did she plan her meeting with Shinji and Zouken to go? Did she expect them both to just throw themselves to the ground and beg for mercy just because she showed up? She's got everything she's ever wanted, her senpai, her sister and a home and... she just abandons it without a plan, while she knows something is wrong with her (assuming she doesn't know what influence the shadow has over her) and Shirou, of all people, tried to kill her for some unknown reason. And then she just puts herself into a position where she has to suffer and feels sorry for herself? Like... what the hell? Are you fucking insane? Did you lose your ability to communicate with the only person you know who's always had the greater good in mind? What the hell was she thinking? No, seriously, I expected to really like Sakura and at first I really did. She started a bit boring and uninteresting then turned boring and uninteresting with really sad past and then coined it by being a complete idiot. I just... I just feel so disappointed with how Sakura is hyped by the fandom and this is supposed to be it? Her moment of truth is no communication, stupid decisions and no plan whatsoever? I honestly expected her to try to consciously harness the power of the shadow and try to manipulate it and THAT would lead her to her dark side but... this? This is like going to watch Harry Potter and realising you've walked into Twilight. Em Sakura is clearly cornered at that point and wants to do anything she can to lift any weight from Shirou's burden.At worst she would die...is what anyone would think.She didnt know that she would become and eldritch abomination and I am sure nobody expected it ether. Of course she "abandons" them because they way things are now she only hurts them.She doesnt want that.And what do you mean why Shirou wants to kill her?Didnt you watch UBW or Fate 2006?His whole character was about saving people and now he realizes that innocent people die because he let Sakura live.And for Sakura that was the final nail in the coffin;she realizes that she can stay like that if she wants to also "saves" Shirou. And if she tried to harness the power of anancient evil then it would truly be Twilight tier. Also...her mind is clearly not in a stable condition.That doesnt equal stupidity. |
ssjokg said: Em Sakura is clearly cornered at that point and wants to do anything she can to lift any weight from Shirou's burden.At worst she would die...is what anyone would think.She didnt know that she would become and eldritch abomination and I am sure nobody expected it ether. Of course she "abandons" them because they way things are now she only hurts them.She doesnt want that.And what do you mean why Shirou wants to kill her?Didnt you watch UBW or Fate 2006?His whole character was about saving people and now he realizes that innocent people die because he let Sakura live.And for Sakura that was the final nail in the coffin;she realizes that she can stay like that if she wants to also "saves" Shirou. And if she tried to harness the power of anancient evil then it would truly be Twilight tier. Also...her mind is clearly not in a stable condition.That doesnt equal stupidity. Okay, what WAS her plan? You can't just "do something" and hope it miraculously works out in your favour. She had absolutely no plan, no idea what to do she just... did something. That does equal stupid in my book. She wanted to take on Zouken, good, but that was it. That was the extent of her plan. Yes, it was stupid. I'm not sure what you mean by "why Shirou wanted to kill her". Did you mean to respond to someone else? I get Shirou's thought pattern, I do think he's naive and got himself manipulated just so Zouken can get Sakura and whatever possessed her into his.... well... possession. If that entire scene even was real and not just Shirou's ideological subconsciousness at play. I don't think it was smart of him but he acted loyal to his ideals and he is a kid so I don't blame him. It's sad but understandable. I just can't relate to Sakura due to the last 10 or so minutes of the film, at all. She acted outright stupid, rushed into action with no plan, no weapons, nothing to use in her favour and no fighting intent. It's like throwing yourself into train tracks, knowing the train conductor wants to kill you and hoping for the best. I'm sorry to say that but Sakura acted like a complete idiot. Honestly, it does pain me to say that because I truly expected to really like Sakura and I did. Not to mention, she got everything she wanted and after that she feels hated by life? It just makes absolutely no sense. Nothing that Sakura did or thought in the last 10 or so minutes. For me, it completely destroyed her character. And that was on her best. It was after she had her dreams come true and was away from the abusive household for days if not weeks. I understand it's not much but it's hardly too little to be an excuse. Even Shirou "I will throw myself in the line of fire to protect anyone" Kritsugu was acting mostly rationally this route and the rest is understandable. Same goes for Sakura. But her last few decisions and her turning into Dark Sakura (or whatever the fanname is) were just downright disappointing. Don't get me wrong,I'm not hating on this film, I truly enjoyed it, I rated it a 9, but I think there were better ways to handle the end without it looking so... unreasonable. |
SuiNoByakkoAug 21, 2019 2:31 PM
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| @SuiNoByakko Sakura's plan becomes a bit more clear if you give the rain scene one more watch. Essentially, It was to face Zouken and have him kill her. Admittedly, this becomes more obvious once you know Sakura's last Command Spell's order of Rider, which will be revealed in the final movie. You'd have to go deeper into Sakura's psyche as an abuse victim to get your head around her motives. Basically, despite how much Sakura loves Shirou, she sees herself as too filthy, sullied and undeserving to be by the side of someone as pure and kind as Shirou. So, while he keeps telling her that he's going to accept all of her faults and sees her as a good person, she can't help but see how her circumstances and his feelings for her are "dirtying" and "defiling" him. He's supposed to be the hero, the white knight who'd go to any length to help any and everyone, but because of her, he's accepting a murderer who killed plenty of people and will continue to kill plenty more people, and is actually willing to stop being who he is and who he always wanted to be for her sake. In a twisted way, the more he tried to make her happy, the more she felt miserable. The more he's kind to her, the more her guilt eats her alive. The more he forgave her, the more she felt she doesn't deserve his forgiveness. The more he loved her, the more she felt that someone like her doesn't deserve to be loved by someone like him. The sight of her beloved, the pure Shirou crying over her bed due to his feelings for her essentially breaking him and destroying who he is, suffering over the decision she was forcing him to make, was the breaking point for her. She felt that she needed to end this herself and not involve Shirou any further and "relieve" him of what she was basically forcing him to do/become. If her grandfather kills her, everyone would be better off, everything would be solved and the only sacrifice is the "dirty, worthless, murderer Sakura". |
astroprogsAug 21, 2019 3:09 PM
SuiNoByakko said: ssjokg said: Em Sakura is clearly cornered at that point and wants to do anything she can to lift any weight from Shirou's burden.At worst she would die...is what anyone would think.She didnt know that she would become and eldritch abomination and I am sure nobody expected it ether. Of course she "abandons" them because they way things are now she only hurts them.She doesnt want that.And what do you mean why Shirou wants to kill her?Didnt you watch UBW or Fate 2006?His whole character was about saving people and now he realizes that innocent people die because he let Sakura live.And for Sakura that was the final nail in the coffin;she realizes that she can stay like that if she wants to also "saves" Shirou. And if she tried to harness the power of anancient evil then it would truly be Twilight tier. Also...her mind is clearly not in a stable condition.That doesnt equal stupidity. Okay, what WAS her plan? You can't just "do something" and hope it miraculously work out in your favour. She had absolutely no plan, no idea what to do she just... did something. That does equal stupid in my book. She wanted to take on Zouken, good, but that was it. That was the extent of her plan. Yes, it was stupid. I'm not sure what you mean by "why Shirou wanted to kill her". Did you mean to respond to someone else? I get Shirou's thought pattern, I do think he's naive and got himself manipulated just so Zouken can get Sakura and whatever possessed her into his.... well... possession. I don't think it was smart of him but he acted loyal to his ideals, he is a kid and Zouken is experienced in manipulation so I don't blame him. It's sad but understandable. I just can't relate to Sakura due to the last 10 or so minutes of the film, at all. She acted outright stupid, rushed into action with no plan, no weapons, nothing to use in her favour and no fighting intent. It's like throwing yourself into train tracks, knowing the train conductor wants to kill you and hoping for the best. I'm sorry to say that but Sakura acted like a complete idiot. Honestly, it does pain me to say that because I truly expected to really like Sakura and I did. Not to mention, she got everything she wanted and after that she feels hated by life? It just makes absolutely no sense. Nothing that Sakura did or thought in the last 10 or so minutes. For me, it completely destroyed her character. And that was on her best. It was after she had her dreams come true and was away from the abusive household for days if not weeks. I understand it's not much but it's hardly too little to be an excuse. Even Shirou "I will throw myself in the line of fire to protect anyone" Kritsugu was acting mostly rationally this route and the rest is understandable. Same goes for Sakura. But her last few decisions and her turning into Dark Sakura (or whatever the fanname is) were just downright disappointing. Don't get me wrong,I'm not hating on this film, I truly enjoyed it, I rated it a 9, but I think there were better ways to handle the end without it looking so... unreasonable. She is desperate .I am not sure if you saw what all of them went through, now add to that that she knows she is the cause(as literally the antagonistic force).If she had the time and most importantly the composure to formulate a plan then she would be mary sue. You said "and Shirou, of all people, tried to kill her for some unknown reason."What do you mean by that? I cant say much without spoilers but even if she was the mary sue I said above, she cant do anything to Zouken.If you watched Zero you may understand why that is. But I will just put it in spoilers .Sakura went to him because staying home wouldn't fix anything either.She isnt stupid.She is an unstable girl that has been cornered. Ofc she feels she is hated by life.Her loved one is getting hurt again and again in order to help her and her mental health is deteriorating every night.She phases in and out of reality, she out of nowhere has pretty nasty and twisted thoughts about Shirou(bathroom scene before the Berserker fight).Again another spoiler to the point she feels hatred for Rin when the previous movie established that she idolizes her and thinks of her as her hero. I dont think you understand how much the last few days of this war have affected her.Acting any differently would be what is unreasonable. We like Sakura not because she is an unreasonably strong woman but because she fought against all that for 10 years(11 if we count before Zero). She endured all this abuse and torture and still remained human inside.And now she, unfortunately, broke down because she found happiness and was shown that not only she cant keep it, she will only make things worse if she is around.Her last order to Rider shows that she didnt expect to return alive. Will she stay like that?Will she make a comeback?Can she even do that?That's in movie 3. |
ssjokgAug 22, 2019 1:04 AM
astroprogs said: @SuiNoByakko Sakura's plan becomes a bit more clear if you give the rain scene one more watch. Essentially, It was to face Zouken and have him kill her. Admittedly, this becomes more obvious once you know Sakura's last Command Spell's order of Rider, which will be revealed in the final movie. You'd have to go deeper into Sakura's psyche as an abuse victim to get your head around her motives. Basically, despite how much Sakura loves Shirou, she sees herself as too filthy, sullied and undeserving to be by the side of someone as pure and kind as Shirou. So, while he keeps telling her that he's going to accept all of her faults and sees her as a good person, she can't help but see how her circumstances and his feelings for her are "dirtying" and "defiling" him. He's supposed to be the hero, the white knight who'd go to any length to help any and everyone, but because of her, he's accepting a murderer who killed plenty of people and will continue to kill plenty more people, and is actually willing to stop being who he is and who he always wanted to be for her sake. The sight of her beloved, the pure Shirou crying over her bed due to his feelings for her essentially breaking him and destroying who he is, suffering over the decision she made him make, was the breaking point for her. She felt that she needed to end this herself and not involve Shirou any further and "relieve" him of what she was basically forcing him to do/become. If her grandfather kills her, everyone would be better off, everything would be solved and the only sacrifice is the "dirty, worthless, murderer Sakura", as she sees it. If I have one issue about the movie is how instead of Sakura and Shirou talking in that scene she "wakes up" after he leaves the room. |
| Amazing! Don't think I need to add much more but here we go I'll say this, UBW is the best route but Heaven's Feel is the best adaptation. It's a bummer how they had to cut out a few parts like the whole church scene and stuff but it's expected because it's a LONG route. The Emiya/Archer parts were breathtaking! He didn't live for long but his and Emiyas interactions based on what you know from UBW were so well putogether that I maybe enjoyed those parts more in the movie than the VN. The thing I was most shocked about was the princess Sakura scenes along with ALL the dark Sakura scenes. HOLY SHIT THEY WERE AMAZING. Most of all, they recreated the atmosphere to perfection. I'll give it a 9/10 and not a 10 because of the church part which I found to be important, along with them not building up his "arm" ahead of HF 3. Well they did try but it came off as very vague But Ufotable really have outdone themself. Now I can't wait for a VERY specific fight in the next film a long with what ending they'll pick for it |
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| Man this movie was a ride.. Wheres the horror tag when you need it. Even when Sakura was happy i was terrified. Ufotable put their heart and soul into this and it paid off. And as always Yuki Kajiura with the 10/10 sound tracks. Each song fit each part of the movie perfectly depending on the scene. Of course the fights were such eye candy, especially Salter vs herc. Made me tremble a bit with the destruction. This movie made me think a lot about Sakura in general. If she was just a normal girl then none of this would of happened. Shes only in the wrong because people have made her that way, Plus the grail. Been waiting for this movie for a long time and it was worth it, thank you Ufotable and Nasu. 10/10 |
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SuiNoByakko said: I just... I just feel so disappointed with how Sakura is hyped by the fandom and this is supposed to be it? hyped? sakura is the least popular FSN heroine Fearprototype said: so many sakura haters... sad face XC they were totally expected though, people don't appreciate psychological characters with complicated circumstances and emotional issues |
Filip_Kanz1300 said: Sapphire_91 said: For the first time in years with this franchise I feel disappointed. Don't get me wrong the movie was amazing, the story dark and suspenseful, the animation - gorgeous. But were the finger licking scenes, full of saliva dripping from Sakura's mouth needed? The whole sempai sex scenes full of boobs and sweat? It cheapened it for me. A lot. I know it is a plot point and I understand why she acts like this, but there are way more tasteful ways of portraying that. It was cheap, in your face fan-service, which felt really out of place in such a quality work. Actually, I don't agree at all. I think that ufotable went out of their way to not be in your face on this on this one. Apart from maybe the shot of Sakura where her boobs are all up in the camera's face, they position shots in ways to not focus on her body in a fan-servicy way. Especially the scene of her in the Matou training ground. That scene, by anime standards, would've probably emphasised her body in disgusting ways if this were any other studio. But they didn't really do so. In fact, they put more focus on the grotesque worms surrounding her. Considering Sakura's background, I think the creators knew that they couldn't be in your face with fan service this time around, and by all accounts I think they handled things as tastefully as they could. I dunno. That's just me though. I have to point out that not all nude scenes have to be for fanservice. There are anime/tv series out there that uses sex, rape, nudity etc as bait but this isnt the case here.I doubt anyone(sane) wants to...."enjoy" Sakura's nude scenes in HF.OR for example the rape scene in Kara no Kyoukai. |
Major_Matt said: 2. Also don't give me that "reason" behind her needing sex. Anyone with a brain can tell that was thought up after the fact. I watched too many harem anime to know how the thinking process of these writers goes. As for it being a plot point... Don't make me insult the writers skill which i know they have by their other works (Ubw and zero). If anything i truly belive that the writer wrote the Heaven's feel route at the end just so he could satisfy his fantasies. unlike the majority of harem anime, sexual content serves a real purpose in the story here and, whether you like it or not, is a part of Sakura's character. the worm rape, Shinji, how she considers herself "dirty" and undeserving of the guy she loves. Sakura has spend 11 years being violated by the worms and you couldn't blame her for eventually getting used to the sensation. Major_Matt said: Also why are you so opsessed with this having to do with knowing how a victim would act. If anything i know they wouldn't become a sex maniac. the crest worm inside her body heightens her sexual desires, especially when she lacks mana, and with the grail fragment inside of it, her body is always wanting for more mana to "fill" the grail, this results in her becoming more and more lustful, especially towards the guy she loves. her body became a container for servants and magical energy, and the shadow is trying to fill that container. UBW(VN route) already established that mana can be transferred via sex and Fate/Zero showed how those worms can inflict a lot of suffering upon their victims (in case you somehow missed it here?) if you're gonna say HF's author wrote this to satisfy his fantasies, then you should be prepared to have someone say that you "watched too many harem anime" for the same reason |
| Fights were amazing animation level god soundtrack sounded beautiful 9/10 I'm really hyped about 3rd part it would be fucking masterpiece |
| God I enjoyed this movie, I really wanted to give it a 10 like the first one but I just couldn't SPOILERS AHEAD maybe it was because the sex scene was spoiled even before the movie hit the theaters, maybe it was because knowing this is sakuras route she will be present some how in the third one, maybe it was because my internet was having problems so it took 4 hours to finish the movie at 8 in the fucking moorning or maybe it was because after watching too much anime I just can't be surprised enough to give a perfect 10 like I used to years back, any ways this was an incredible movie, I scored it just a 9 but I still think its a master piece and this route is the best of fate. I haven't read the novels or played the games so I don't know how it's going to end though I get an idea, I just hope the third movie is as good and pray for no spoilers. It would also be great if they release the blue ray sooner or if I get a chance to watch it on a cinema. |
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BestBoiEren said: how could such a disaster movie be released at all? Girl... I'm honestly jealous of your intense dedication to Fate. I already guessed I'd see you at this sub-forum lmfao. I wish I had that much willpower to shitpost in other sub-forums. 100% you didn't even watch the movie and just dropped by to try and trigger everyone lmfaooo. Is everything okay at home? |
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| fight scenes were amazing but too much drama about Sakura who is the character I care least about, also the best character is gone so a meh movie for me |
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| Truly a valuable adaptation. Great animations and even better character development. All those emotions flying everywhere. Sakura must be protected. Shirou even goes back on his virtue to do what's best for Sakura. A hero of justice for Sakura exlusively. |
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| Really, my only possible criticism is that there are still some scenes cut that didnt made it to the movie, some where of Illya, some where SoL some fans found boring, others where to give everything more context, it would be impossible to include everything in 3 movies, sure they could have pulled Dark Sakura to the third movie only since at that point we are less than 1/3 of the end, so they did fit quite alot in the second movie. My bet being that they wanted to really end there to be more shocking, it makes sense IMO since this adaptation to work couldnt just follow blindy a copy paste of the route itself. This means the last movie will have quite alot of time to actually adapt everything that is left in the route, plus expanding some scenes, like fights scenes (they have done really well so far, but more on that below), and I m hoping Illya gets more love in the third part, specially the end, since overall this IS Illya & Sakura's route! In the end I have to agree with all the decisions they made, they wanted a mood for this movie and to end it fucked up like that, wouldnt have worked as well having everything in the last movie, they have to tease people for 2x DS, aka Dark Saber & Dark Sakura combo. Onto the movie finally, pity that I couldnt watch this on cinema, but I already knew what to expect since I did give some sneak peaks on cam versions, noneless thank god I gone through the hassle to watch this specific movie with a surround sound system, because that Dark Saber vs Berserker fight gets to levels of insanity not only visuals but also sound, when you have surround sound blasting to the limits, you feel the impact in the air, I had my heart beating and was sweating a bit... nowaday with all that new tech like 3D Atmos, this should be even better but I will restate what I said January this year when I saw leaked clips of the fight... mindfuckingblowing! I think it is Ufotable best fight yet, best animated and IF NOT the best fight scene I have ever seen, really close to it. And fans know it was never this epic during the VN on that part, so I shiver to think how they will adapt what is to come, because there are ALOT of amazing fights ahead. But the movie was far from only that, I m not expecting to recall every single minute, but it was all the best it could have been, some do wonder what is left to see after that amazing fight, sure nothing as epic, but the progressive, slow, steady then direct reveal that Sakura is the Shadow, when she faces Gilgamesh was amazing, the dream sequence not existing in the VN gave me shivers cuz fans obviously know where that is leading to, and just pure dread there... then the despair Shirou has when his beliefs are conflicting with his heart, and he still cant kill his love, with that being the turn point where he drops his believes that are major thing for UBW route and what makes Archer, in favor of being selfish and protecting Sakura despite her being right there the enemy of everyone and herself wanting him to kill her... there are alot of subtle parts that some fans may not catch, hard to fully grasp. But Ufotable did try their best at conveying what is going on with Shirou and Sakura state of mind. Also that is how you do a love scene, props again to the director, he is a HUGE fan of the route, he knew what was needed to do for a movie release and hit the perfect balance for that scene and for many others! I think Illya hearing Taiga conversation with Sakura about Kiritsugu is not on the VN, and if so, that was a brilliant addiction that gave her even more emotional baggae to deal with in the third movie. A big example of where this director learnt what the studios did wrong with UBW would be that scene at the rain, some thoughs needed to be said, and THAT IS HOW YOU DO IT. The fanboy is me wants to say that the source is still better, it is 40 hours long, and I adored every minute of it (which is rare since larger routes always drag, but I loved all of HF SoL!). But I also want to praise what is done here, it was never an easy job to adapt, a TV series couldnt be this dark and truth to the source, we fans waited so long after that announcement in 2014... though I really only become a fan of this VN in early 2015 (that is when the wait for HF started for me tbh xD). To live to see something as brillaint as Heaven's Feel, getting the highest quality adaptation possible, and all that loved poured in every single moment, no words are enough. This wait began so long ago, but it is absolute hundred percent WORTH IT. Would almost sell my soul to see Spring Song in theathers, it wont be possible, which also makes the wait for the BDs longer, but after this I m sure many fans have faith in what Ufotable is doing. Until Spring then, cant wait to see best onee-chan and one of the best true pairings in existence in the epic conclusion that the route so marveously achieves~~ 9.5/10 = 10 |
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| Didn't Archer want to kill Shirou in ubw and he was so committed? But now he wants to save him, don't you tell me it's because of the god damn loli. |
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Frosty- said: Playcool said: I think Illya hearing Taiga conversation with Sakura about Kiritsugu is not on the VN, and if so, that was a brilliant addition that gave her even more emotional baggage to deal with in the third movie. That whole scene was original, probably for more context to Kiritsugu's character and convenience of viewers. Daniel_Dreiberg said: he was so committed?But now he wants to save him Totally different circumstances. Archer resumed to fulfill his duties as counter-guardian when shadow appeared and more importantly, he saw a change in Shirou's ideals here(no more of the same heroic ideals like the previous route). Sweet adiction IMO, nothing wrong with that, my heart felt for Illya there, and it sunks further when I think that they had to make a spin off (which I love) with magical girls, to give her a good ending, something like lived forever after, free of the bounds of her current body... Also share that opinion, but not only Archer but also Illya, they support of Shirou through this route vs UBW is because he took a different path, he put his selfish wishes for Sakura above his duty (as many flawned human beings would do), which probably was actually refreshing for Archer and would have avoid Shirou becoming Emiya Archer, which is Archer goal after all. As for Illya, this is all she ever wanted to see her dad doing, when she sees her lil brother deviating from the path her dad took that brough all that misery and loleliness to her, she changed a bit her opinion about him and wanted to support her selfish lil brother wishes, which is also why she is best onee-chan forever and ever (he also loses Saber, so one less thing to fuck with Illya twisted mind, and she could approach him with a different mindset of wanting some "onii-chan hugs). There is alot of deep in the VN that Ufotable made was able to convey better here vs UBW adaptation but still being from how it comes with the VN... And talking about the VN, it is about time we get an official VN release, Realta Nua with all best lair stuff, would buy day one even if expensive as fuck, I need fate stay night VN getting even more love and a place on my steam library (even if it will not have Sakura's steamy scenes due to being all ages, fate and ubw's are bad so fuck those scenes, bring on the dinossaur and fish for those). Fearprototype said: am just glad they did not add in-depth cooking scenes XD i think i might've gone insane of they did XC Loved those on the VN... unpopular opinion but whatever, but wouldnt have worked here, there is already a fate spin off for cooking, so all good~~ Vipek said: Fights were amazing animation level god soundtrack sounded beautiful 9/10 I'm really hyped about 3rd part it would be fucking masterpiece The best is yet to come, and they have alot of time to adapt what is to come, if they treat with the same care they did this, BOY... I cant wait to hear more of Dark Sakura's VA, she is just an yandere <3 |
PlaycoolAug 22, 2019 1:50 PM
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| I was left speechless. Just need to wait for the sequel |
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| Where to even start... If there's a true blessing in the Anime industry, it's Ufotable. Words can't describe how amazing this was from start to finish. I didn't expect this movie to be this much of a rollercoaster. Since it's been far over a year since I have seen Heaven's Feel part I, there were still a lot of questions I had at the end of that movie and I am actually happy that they all got answered in this one. The further I got into this movie, I actually started to understand what was really going on with Sakura and why she is the actual enemy in this route. I don't really have to comment on the animation here but yet I do, it's done by Ufotable after all! Still worthy of the meme Unlimited Budget works... However I can easily say that they have outdone themselves (Funny I said that 2 weeks ago too about something else). Salter vs Berserker was something else, no words needed other than WOW! Even the smaller battles like Archer vs Assassin was great, the fight choreography for both fights were insane! I think the events and reveals in this movie is probably the biggest enjoyment for me. Most of them I could see coming, like Sakura being developed as the holy grail was build up nicely. God damn that scene in the alley though, with Sakura and Gilgamesh was quite the shocker for me. It's kinda a shame he has such a small role in this route. Honestly hope to see him more in the 3rd movie. Also, thank you for the sweet satisfaction that Shinji had been killed at the end. I still digust that guy! 10/10 from me, nothing more but a perfect follow up on Heaven's Feel part I. |
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| It feels rushed to me. They just omitted the part on how Archer's arm grafted to Shirou... Daniel_Dreiberg said: Didn't Archer want to kill Shirou in ubw and he was so committed? But now he wants to save him, don't you tell me it's because of the god damn loli. The shortest explanation for that is because Shirou abandoned his ideals, in which that is what Archer wants. |
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Tennouji said: They just omitted the part on how Archer's arm grafted to Shirou.... I actually think that was a great directional change, you know one scene we see archer all drama about cutting his arm after a big battle, big "sacrifice" and then right after that we switch to the scene where we see Sakura with her "the fuck did you do senpai" face when she see Shirou with a completely new arm. I think that was a great change. |
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| Taiga had 5 seconds of screen time yet it was enough to make her best girl of this movie Salter vs basaka was by far the best part of the movie, even beating out one of my favorite moments from the VN (Shirou not going stabby stabby on Sakura). Props to ufo they went all out. With fight scenes like this I'm even more hyped for part 3 where the best fight scene in all of Fate is. I fucking loved the dream sequences with Sakura, both the train and wonderland one. Those are anime only aye? Perfect additions to the story. inb4 they were in the vn and I just forgot woops Overall I give this movie 0/10 sex scene wasn't cringy enough. It's not Fate without shitty h-scenes smh Now then, time to wait for movie #3 aka the best part of the route |
MiraiAug 23, 2019 3:01 AM
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| What a movie this was. Ufotable has done it again. They really put a lot of budget in the fight between Saber Alter and Berserker. I'm starting to like Berserker a lot. He is insane. That was a treat to my eyes. Even Archer vs Assassin was great. RIP Archer. I could believe that Gilgamesh was done in like that. He had a small roll in this movie. Anyways RIP to you too. When Shirou punched Shinji, that was satisfying to watch. Good to know that he is dead. Overall, I would rate this a 9/10. Better than its prequel. |
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| 8/10 from me. I want to see more of servant fight especially from Rider. She get so little screen time in UBW and Fate route. |
ssjokg said: She is desperate .I am not sure if you saw what all of them went through, now add to that that she knows she is the cause(as literally the antagonistic force).If she had the time and most importantly the composure to formulate a plan then she would be mary sue. I'm not sure how not being self-destructive is being Mary Sue. She can either blame everything on herself and attempt to kill herself or take responsibility and try to resolve it. Being a victim or suffering doesn't mean you can't do the latter. ssjokg said: You said "and Shirou, of all people, tried to kill her for some unknown reason."What do you mean by that? I meant from her point of view. I don't think it was established she realises the shadow controls her at least until the end of this film. So, from her POV, Shirou has just tried to kill her for some reason which, when she adds everything up, can make her realise she's controlled by something. And instead of using it she just... gives up. ssjokg said: I cant say much without spoilers but even if she was the mary sue I said above, she cant do anything to Zouken.If you watched Zero you may understand why that is. But I will just put it in spoilers .Sakura went to him because staying home wouldn't fix anything either. She isnt stupid. She is an unstable girl that has been cornered. There are two ways how to face things: give up or fight. Choosing fight =/= Mary Sue but giving up, while I understand it, gets no respect from me. But, I'm going to be honest here, I didn't know crest worm can control a person and I forgot that he put a crest wor into her in Zero in the first place. ssjokg said: Ofc she feels she is hated by life. Her loved one is getting hurt again and again in order to help her and her mental health is deteriorating every night. She phases in and out of reality, she out of nowhere has pretty nasty and twisted thoughts about Shirou(bathroom scene before the Berserker fight). Again another spoiler to the point she feels hatred for Rin when the previous movie established that she idolizes her and thinks of her as her hero. First of all, she is loved. She has a man she loves who loves her back, she got her sister back, friends and she has power. You're making her look completely alone but she isn't. She has everything she has ever wanted. Yes, it does seem stupid to me that she would just toss it away due to her own self-destruction. She suffers from lack of introspection if she can't even fight herself for her life when her life is actually good. ssjokg said: I dont think you understand how much the last few days of this war have affected her.Acting any differently would be what is unreasonable. We like Sakura not because she is an unreasonably strong woman but because she fought against all that for 10 years(11 if we count before Zero). She endured all this abuse and torture and still remained human inside.And now she, unfortunately, broke down because she found happiness and was shown that not only she cant keep it, she will only make things worse if she is around.Her last order to Rider shows that she didnt expect to return alive. Will she stay like that?Will she make a comeback?Can she even do that?That's in movie 3. Again, not being self-destructive =/= unreasonably strong. She has developed absolutely no coping mechanism or all the wrong ones. She can't even deal with herself when she's doing WELL. I can't suspend by disbelief to such a degree to believe she was actually able to handle herself when she was doing badly. Sakura seems like intentional victim. When she has power, she abandons it (I have no idea what her last order to Rider was but it certainly wasn't "Fight for me to the last drop"), when she has love, she abandons it, when she has family, she abandons it, when she has home, she abandons it. Sakura is fucked up and it doesn't look like she's ever tried to develop healthy coping mechanism or do anything but "endure pain" (which is something she seems to default to, if there's too little pain to endure, she looks for it). Sorry but, yes, I do consider that to be stupid behaviour on her part. Rather than using the little she has to control her environment, she lets be controlled 100%, rather than fight she endures, rather than looks for ways how to be happier, she looks for ways how to suffer more. Rather than take control when she can, she gives herself up. I can't and absolutely do not have anything positive to say about it. Is it real? Sure. Is it pitiful? Of course. But is it strong? No. It's the easiest way out. To endure, to let it happen, not to act. It's easy, it's a sort of messed up "comfort zone" and it's weak. Not only she doesn't try but she effectively rejects everything good or helpful coming her way. I would find her much more relatable if she embraced the shadow, she she wanted to use the power to protect herself and her happiness. Is it messed up? Yes. But it's much better than indirectly attempting suicide. The more I think about it the more pathetic this course of action seems. if you're right, she can't even end her own life, she's hoping someone else will do it for her. She refuses to take control of anything, even her own life, nevermind her own happiness. Sakura seems extremely messed up, unhealthy and doing absolutely nothing about it. |
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What coping mechanism can a rape victim that as been violated by magical penis worms, that are her diabolical grandpa, for 11 years even create? I am sorry but this isnt just a one time domestic violence situation.In Zero she saw the man that tried to defy her grandpa become worm food.Go back and see what is her reaction. And seems that you disregarded everything about how she sees the world around her.Even without knowing she is the shadow she knows she is hurting them because she is still dangerous.that was the point of the rain scene.And if you paid attention in that scene you would understand why she acts like that. I dont know what you expect from a person that takes a step forward only for, literally the devil, to throw them back 10 steps. If any character had Sakura's experiences and somehow fought filled with courage, yes, that would be a mary sue.And bad writing in general. How exactly do you expect from her to find the courage to fight? I dont know what false expectations you had for a character like her but it definitely isnt her fault that everything developed like that. |
ssjokgAug 23, 2019 2:55 PM
| I enjoyed this more than the first part. Poor Sakura... I’ll continue playing the VN if EAccessViolation wasn’t being a bitch. |
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Cyb3r_Ninja said: I see that killing off Gilgamesh in bullshit ways is just a theme for the stay night series, I wonder what kind of bullshit way he dies in the original stay night. Why is it bullshit? Right...Just a Gil fanboy that saw Zero first and thinks Gil one shots everyone when he was ridiculed by everyone he fought except Iskandar. |
Cyb3r_Ninja said: I see that killing off Gilgamesh in bullshit ways is just a theme for the stay night series, I wonder what kind of bullshit way he dies in the original stay night. him getting killed by something that has been demonstrated to be a servant's natural enemy isn't bullshit, and the shadow has had a surprising amount of growth after all its feeding thus far, Gil found out the hard way he's also not going to act out of character and blast a lowly human being with EA the moment he sees her |
Cyb3r_Ninja said: Shayon said: him getting killed by something that has been demonstrated to be a servant's natural enemy isn't bullshit, and the shadow has had a surprising amount of growth after all its feeding thus far, Gil found out the hard way he's also not going to act out of character and blast a lowly human being with EA the moment he sees her it's not out of character since in zero he tried to kill berserker just because he deflected his sword, so it makes sense that he would use EA when his leg was cut off He tried to kill Berserker with Ea? Nope. He tried Gate of Babylon again.What happened then? It failed. What did Gil do after that? Used Gate of Babylon again. What did he do when Berserker acquired a fighter jet? Decided to play with him.With what? Gate of Babylon and his own alien spaceship. What happened? Berserker destroyed him with a fart from his F-15. What did Gil try to do when Sakura injured him? Kill her with Gate of Babylon. Congratulations!!You fail.Rejoice that's one thing you and Gil have in common. PS.Gil didnt give a shit about the leg but the fact that he almost bowed. And he wasnt mad at Berserker for deflecting the sword but because he stole it. Congratulations again. |
ssjokgAug 24, 2019 3:31 AM
| Holy shit. This was so good! Felt all the same emotions I felt back when I read the VN! I love F/SN so much. True roller coaster of emotions. Just wish we saw more of Illya 〴⋋_⋌〵 Anyways, so many impressions. Knowing what's to come, I can't wait for the final movie. Archer defending them, caressing Rin and entrusting his arm to Shirou before dying made me cry. I will never stop loving that guy. |
TsarkoAug 24, 2019 12:15 PM
| Man, Shinji screwing things up never gets old, uh?... damn it, it still piss me off how "quickly" his death was in this route. I really wanted that bastard to suffer after having to read about how many times he has raped Sakura since she was elected as the Matou's successor. I mean, like if having a huge LUST worm inside her wasn't enough for the poor girl... Well, first of all, one thing I especially didn't like about the movie was the so little development Illya has received so far. If I remember correctly, she and Shirou have already had their fair amount of interactions and due to that, their bond should be quite strong by the end of this second part. Honestly, it surprises me they didn't expand the scene with Illya singing "Die Lorelei" and Shirou's thoughts about Such a shame since that was a really bittersweet moment in the VN. Even more bittersweet once you are aware of the implications of Shirou's decision of protecting one person (Sakura) over everything else. I know Sakura is the "heroine" of this route but Illya's development is nearly as important for the plot as hers so I truly hope they can give her at least a bit more of characterization in the 3rd. movie. Especially Now, a few highlights: - SAlter vs. Berserker was such an absurdly glorious fight. Like seriously, in the VN, their confrontation isn't really that long and detailed yet Ufo managed to impress me once again with such perfectly handled sequence. Honestly, if that's how they animate a "minor" fight that only lasts 10 minutes or so in the source material, I can't even have an idea of what they will do with the most important ones. Especially with my favorite fight from all the three routes. For real, I can't wait for the day to finally see being animated. - The sex scene caught me a bit by surprise, being honest. I wasn't really expecting them to include it but man, I'm so glad they did it. I simply loved how it was handled with the sole purpose of giving more depth to the relationship between Shirou and Sakura. A truly emotional moment which was definitely executed way better here than in the VN, without a doubt. - The dream sequence was a great directing decision as well. The way they made that contrast between Sakura's happy dream and the things that were actually happening in reality was executed perfectly. "Stuffed animals" floating downriver or running away from Sakura after seeing one of them exploiting like a balloon, leaving behind some "candies"... how cute, isn't it? - Having Taiga comforting Sakura was a really interesting directing decision too. It was indeed original material but I really like how that scene was executed. Perhaps I may be a bit biased since I love Taiga but I think it was a good change nevertheless. And of course, not to mention that having Illya hearing what she said about Kiritsugu was also a good way to make her realize that he never ceased in his attempt of finally rescuing her from that castle. Overall, regarding production values, this movie was simply spectacular but in terms of pacing, I would have preferred some scenes/events to be more expanded such as the scene, which was skipped, of Shirou waking up in the church after losing his arm and the talk he has with Kirei about how UNSTABLE Archer's arm actually is. Another scene I would have liked to be executed better was when Shirou grabbed the knife and was seriously pondering about killing Sakura right there. I mean, that was such a powerful moment in the VN. I remember it was a bit difficult for me to read it since it was already established how miserable Sakura was at that moment. She really wanted to die but was so afraid to do it herself so when she sees Shirou with the knife, she tells him she doesn't mind if it's him who kills her and almost begs him to do it. Honestly, though I liked how they portrayed Shirou's sorrow and new found determination here, it's a real shame this sequence ended up being so short. 8/10 - Personally, I think that 30 more minutes of runtime would have fixed these little issues of pacing but that's just a mere opinion from a VN reader. It was still an amazing movie tho. |
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