HopefulNihilist said: Why would that cause controversy? She's a complete piece of shit, it makes perfect sense why the MC refers her as a bitch and a whore after what she put him through. This may be true, but there are some feminists who find those words dehumanizing for any woman for whatever reason. Also, some of them are sure to accuse the show of making light of/promoting the idea that women are lying about rape. (Remember that these aren't ideas I'm saying that I agree with. I'm saying these are the views you will find on some parts of Twitter, ANN, and Anime Feminist while discussing the show.) |
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| how are rape allegations a "sensitive topic" exactly?. It feels like this is trying to make a problem out of nothing. If someone is falsely accused of rape because they are a man, then chances are it gets cleared up, and if it doesn't, then i question said justice. Either way, a non topic altogether. |
| This show looks like all other bland, toothless isekai shows. Even the "controversial" content sounds mild. I have very low expectations of this one. |
| From the looks of it, the overall narratives stands as (my own projection on how the series will evolve) : 1) The protagonist is first presented as a goody-two shoes youth. 2) False rape accusations turn him into an absolute misogynist/edgelord/"very-evil, aww-woe-is-me". 3) Meets the main girl Raphtalia, the two journey together. Naofumi acquires other slaves. "Promote" enslavement of women. (sincerely hoping it has none of that harem bullshit but colour me surprised when it happens anyway -_- ) 4) Gradually develop by the end and conclude that his misogynistic views were erroneous (courtesy, Raphtalia) 5) Stop being a misogynist and go back to being the goody two shoes, but with the perspective that people can be backstabbing scums due to his first-hand experience. Web Novel readers, if this sounds anything like how the main story has developed then I honestly see no controversy. |
| Not sure what controversy there is supposed to be. The Princess is an irredeemable sociopath, not once in the entire story are you supposed to sympathize with her on any level. It's going to be episode 1 of Goblin Slayer all over again, a bunch of idiots on twitter and reddit will react to it including those insufferable anime youtubers. Then people will forget about it a week or two later and life will go on. |
doomrider7 said: HopefulNihilist said: Wait...how will a completely fictional story, where the MC trivializes slavery...cause actual people to trivialize slavery? Do you have actual psychological proof that this can happen, or are you basing this based on the stereotype that fiction that idealizes horrific acts, influences actual people...? Dude seriously? People especially here in the states whether in serious or jest trivialize how bad slavery was and that's without any impetus. Will this series do that? I dunno, but cursory view of the various nerd communities does not fill me with hope in that regard same with the false rape accusations. I do think the latter will be worse than the former though. Except where do they do that? In what history course do they do that? Even those who want to talk about how the CSA wasn't evil try to distance the fact the CSA was actual fighting for slavery and make it more about states rights (which is correct the state right to own slaves) as they know it doesn't paint a good picture Plus I mean you want make that argument might as well ban all depictions of violence in anime. There has never been any actual scientific studies that have shown that media makes individuals more prone to do certain things. I mean I play grand strategy games like Stellaris where you can run a slaving genocidal space empire if you want. Fallout has allowed you to engage and sell slaves and fight for a slave state again which I have done. I still am one of the most conflict adverse guys out there. I don't know how the source material is going to handle this topic but the idea i think would be interesting especially depending on how much they delve into this character's morality. The idea itself is neutral how they handle it will determine if its good or bad. I will say on the topic of slavery different societies handled it differently granted I don't know what the status of this world is again whether or not this is done well is something I will have to see. A poor handling of it could see some controversy though. As for the false rape thing I mean we can agree that justice is important. Rapists should be convicted and those who lie about rape (and make it harder for actual victims and destroy the reputations of others) should be shamed. There should be no controversy on that topic at all. |
BilboBaggins365Dec 27, 2018 3:39 PM
HopefulNihilist said: doomrider7 said: NthDegree explained the slavery thing better than I could so I wont bother reposting on that, but the fact that it's all normalized by the MC is creepy skeevy as all fuck. The guy in Death March if I recall was not cool with the whole thing and his first order of business was to try and free his slaves and if I recall he couldn't with the loli and her sister because of a curse and I think with the beastkin he removed their shackles, but kept them as slaves to avoid them being captured since his AI companion thing said the odds of them falling into slavers again was high. No it wasn't good either, but it was helped by the fact that the MC wasn't an angry dick. Slavery is done. Gone. Throughout most of the world. Like, so what if one story says, "slavery is normal"? slavery is still around its more hidden nowdays, but human trafficking still exists even in your own country. its not common so you don't see it, but illegal slavery still exists. i mean there was the little fact that a story about how slavery was bad helped end slavery. >_> but w/e GreenEmu said: Not sure what controversy there is supposed to be. The Princess is an irredeemable sociopath, not once in the entire story are you supposed to sympathize with her on any level. It's going to be episode 1 of Goblin Slayer all over again, a bunch of idiots on twitter and reddit will react to it including those insufferable anime youtubers. Then people will forget about it a week or two later and life will go on. honestly if your reading the forum you've probably noticed the slavery things more likely to cause a issue then the first major arcs villian. CatSoul said: HopefulNihilist said: Why would that cause controversy? She's a complete piece of shit, it makes perfect sense why the MC refers her as a bitch and a whore after what she put him through. This may be true, but there are some feminists who find those words dehumanizing for any woman for whatever reason. Also, some of them are sure to accuse the show of making light of/promoting the idea that women are lying about rape. (Remember that these aren't ideas I'm saying that I agree with. I'm saying these are the views you will find on some parts of Twitter, ANN, and Anime Feminist while discussing the show.) minus tumblur sociopaths those kind of people tend to be in the minority so i honestly doubt the first major. I've honestly seen more people complain about them then I've actually seen them. so i have serious doubts that we will get a floods of complains on that part. |
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| Started airing? No, they couldn't wait that long. https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2018/12/28/false-rape-accusation-anime-tate-no-yuusha-no-nariagari-already-controversial/?pg=X Don't underestimate the ability to be offended by everything. |
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| @Nezperdian I would like to think, that he's trolling, but people like him are most of the time dead serious. |
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| False accusations of rape can destroy a man's life as much as the rape of a woman. It's basically the shattering of someone's fragile psyche. And anime's already being marketed to (young) men whose mentality are already weak due to the high pressure from society to be "normal." It's already "more die than do" and the guys in anime are portrayed as weak and pathetic as is. (Their anime counterparts are already accused of being lolicons and rapist.) If "Shield Bro" was shown kicking ass and getting his revenge; then we'd all have a different conversation. But no. It's all about how he got messed up in the first place; his fall being more entertaining than his comeback. I miss Ken from "Fist Of The North Star," yo. He wasn't just some meme. He had a goal; dead bodies of bad guys in his wake, and a couple of associates who understood that he can't be messed with. Wapan doesn't make shows like these anymore; because they're weak and their whole audience and payers are weak. |
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| Waiting for mother basement cuck to cry about false rape accusation. Also newfags who dont know when Shield Hero was released will say "boo hoo another isekai with slave girl harem we've seen it 1000 times" |
| The opinions of people with shit taste, such as yourself, may differ of course. |
| Ill still watch it and will probably enjoy it, People here are trying to make a political point here for no reason. Its an anime, its not real, its entertainment. Just watch it or dont. The fact that i have to say this says more about the SJW's in this site more than anything. |
| There are not many people who would get triggered by it atleast in MAL I think. I am expecting more of a shitstorm about the Slime anime fans vs Shield hero fans fighting over which one is better. |
| Well, I'm pretty confused how they managed to frame him, rob him, and then noone cared that all his belongings went missing. Anyway, it's really aggravating, that they believe someone because she is cute without any evidence. On top of that, later in the series, we found out that, I'll just post this video I found on YouTube before shitstorm takes over: Also, I think this whole case was supposed to shed a light what men falsely accused of rape have to go through. They become pariah, unable to trust anyone, sometimes even contemplate suicide and lying in bed awake thinking why it happened to them. This message especially important after what Democrats recently tried to do to Kavenough. |
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Huex3 said: NthDegree said: I'm talking about whether the story and by extension the author views the slavery as justified. In the beginning, you have the MC openly supporting it, which is what many people (myself included) object to. However, later on it is viewed more negatively which is what people try to use to say that the author actually condemns slavery. To me this is not very believable since the MC keeps using it when it's convenient for him and thus the message becomes more like "it's bad for everyone but me to do it". So you have two choices - either the story doesn't view slavery negatively or the author is a hypocrite who makes exceptions to his morals just for the MC. Take your pick. Maybe it's more on responsibility? Remember back in our own history slavery is also legal and is not considered as a bad thing a long time ago as long as you don't do nasty shit to the slaves. Naofumi got himself slaves but he is responsible enough not to abuse them. I think it's more of showing that the MC is a good guy than the author's view that slavery is ok. Sorry about the long wait. I've been taking a break from the Internet for a while. Anyway, I do think the authoral intent is irrelevant to the quality of the story. If showing off MC's kindness (?) was his goal, then it was simply executed so poorly it comes off as supporting slavery. Either way, it's a reason to dislike the show. Not to mention it was the MC's own decision to take slaves at all. So much for that kindness. Besides, taking responsibility only requires taking care of them, not enslavement. It's not related to slavery at all. |
NthDegreeJan 2, 2019 6:35 AM
| Some over-sensitive fanboys are bracing for the invasion of an imaginary army of "sensitive snowflakes"? I find this richly ironic. doomrider7 said: Hmmm...Oh Yeah. Isn't this that shitty misogynistic as all fuck manga about a guy with loli slaves one of whom ages herself up and wants to hook up with due to the fact that he's kind of nice to her in spite of being her slave owner and the whole thing about false rape accusations, the villaness getting her name legally changed to bitch whore, and later being sentenced to being raped to death by some guy described as looking like Jabba the Hutt or something? Even if your description is (probably) embellished/exaggerated, you just made me want to see this to the end to see how much I can tolerate. NthDegree said: But even then the cringiest part is simply how ridiculously all the characters are portrayed. Yeah, this is definitely another anime boarding the GS edgy train, except in this case all the edge is in the MC's head and attitude rather than the world. [...] All the other male characters are either villains or grossly incompetent? Check. So yeah, clearly anyone who might dislike this is just a triggered sjw and the quality of writing is in no way related to why anyone would dare to have such an opinion. [...] These fans need their safe spaces and you just came in their safe space anime's series-specific forum willy nilly guns blazing...? You cold cold hearted bitch. |
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| The more I know about this show, the more confident I am that I'm dodging a bullet by skipping it. The controversy will be entertaining to follow though. |
Dhyan_manu said: NthDegree said: I didn't answer to your question because you didn't answer mine about whether the author supported slavery or was a hypocrite. Not to mention you didn't answer to my questions in my previous post either. I would suggest you to practice what you preach. In the first place, your question outright assumes freedom is misery and that your master is benevolent, neither of which is necessarily true. Furthermore, if the master is as benevolent as you describe, there is nothing stopping them from employing the former slaves the normal way. Not to mention since the MC has the queen on his side, attempting to abolish slavery or to establish social structures to help out the poor are not out of reach to him, yet he chooses to ignore it. From the cast's reaction to the slave contracts it seems like the majority of people aside from the MC are against slavery to begin with and the MC is a dick for supporting it. If you think this is bad go read overlord lol read how humans treated in that. Of course anime skipped many things but did give us hint about how people are treated but go read the LN if that didn't cause any controversy how does this even count. Slavery was needed in that world in order to maintain balance between countries. The country called as Silt velt made of demi humans and they see hamans as inferior and treated as slaves just like how the kingdom treats demi humans because of their arch rivalry from centuries and unless the rivalry between the country is extinguished the slavery will never cease no matter who tries to abolish it. The reason the king and others hate shield hero due to the sole reason that he is worshipped as a god in Silt velt. You can say shield hero could have ended she rivalry but it's impossible for arch enemies to be united because both sides has lost so many people who can never be brought back. Somebody else being worse does not excuse being bad yourself. I hope we can agree on this? As I've already stated, the author is the one who is responsible for the world they have created. It is their choice to create a world where they portray slavery as good or necessary and therefore in-universe excuses for it being treated as such don't really matter. |
doomrider7 said: Eanki said: Some over-sensitive fanboys are bracing for the invasion of an imaginary army of "sensitive snowflakes"? I find this richly ironic. Even if your description is (probably) embellished/exaggerated, you just made me want to see this to the end to see how much I can tolerate. These fans need their safe spaces and you just came in their safe space anime's series-specific forum willy nilly guns blazing...? You cold cold hearted bitch. I shit you not. All of that shit ACTUALLY HAPPENS. You can tropes the stuff to get it backed up. Are there some things on here that would make an interesting story? Yeah of course. But it's all hampered down by the authors hang-ups about women and desire for a social revenge fantasy(all the girls are terrible to MC except his harem as are all the popular guys who are massive chads because reasons). @Eanki Aside from 'raped to death' part (I must've dropped the LN before it happened), I can also confirm that all of this totally does happen. I also 100% agree about the social revenge vibes... That being said it's kinda stretched out, so it's harder to notice, but when you think back to it, it's pretty disgusting. |
| Oh shit, when did mal turn fully into ann... People seriously have problems with slavery in this series? What the hell do they expect from run-of-the-mill fantasy (sadly game) setting? Ban of "demi human" term because it might hurt someone's feelings? Orange ball rights activists? Safe spaces for women to protect them form adventurer's and knight's toxic masculinity? Grow a pair. I was hoping for a decent revenge story and read the avaible manga but turns out that, apart from the MC acting the part now and then, it's as lukewarm as most isekai series. And you're telling me there are still people who get "triggered" by it? I'm disgusted by contemporary western culture. |
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