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jal90 said: I think this is a very shitty and toxic attitude. Black people shouldn't be offended when people use the N-word. Gay people shouldn't be offended when people call them promiscuous and predatory. Trans people shouldn't be offended when people misgender them on purpose or call them a slur that suggests that they are tricking cishets. Being insensitive is your choice, but saying that they are being offended for nothing (because you are the one to decide that) is condescending as fuck and in a way putting yourself and your lack of sensitivity in a safe space. The same as people can't do anything when you use the word "trap", you should deal with their criticism. N-Word is a slur, Gay thing word is a slur, trap isn't a slur, just because a community doesn't like it doesn't make it a slur. Have you read my "Kike PSN ban and jews" example? I think no. In México Kike is a disminutive of Enrique, but for jews is an insult. Trap is term to referer trans, androgynous, crossdresser, whatever a boy looks like a girl or viceversa, because trans doesn't like it IS NOT my problem, same for people using Kike and jews, with your logic we all on Latam should stop using Kike because we are toxic and are offending jews? The problem is you see "trap" as a slur word, but isn't one, god. |
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BlackScience said: jal90 said: I think this is a very shitty and toxic attitude. Black people shouldn't be offended when people use the N-word. Gay people shouldn't be offended when people call them promiscuous and predatory. Trans people shouldn't be offended when people misgender them on purpose or call them a slur that suggests that they are tricking cishets. Being insensitive is your choice, but saying that they are being offended for nothing (because you are the one to decide that) is condescending as fuck and in a way putting yourself and your lack of sensitivity in a safe space. The same as people can't do anything when you use the word "trap", you should deal with their criticism. N-Word is a slur, Gay thing word is a slur, trap isn't a slur, just because a community doesn't like it doesn't make it a slur. Have you read my "Kike PSN ban and jews" example? I think no. In México Kike is a disminutive of Enrique, but for jews is an insult. Trap is term to referer trans, androgynous, crossdresser, whatever a boy looks like a girl or viceversa, because trans doesn't like it IS NOT my problem, same for people using Kike and jews, with your logic we all on Latam should stop using Kike because we are toxic and are offending jews? The problem is you see "trap" as a slur word, but isn't one, god. But trans people say that this word is a slur, and they are the ones this word is often directed at. If there's one to decide whether a word is a slur or not, it's certainly not one like you or me who are not affected or referred by it. Then again I am not telling you to stop using the word. But it's certainly not an excuse to say that they should conform to YOUR standards here. "It is not my problem" is dodging. The N-word is not my problem either but it is a slur and it offends people, and I don't use it. |
| yea and cuz of folks like u trap is considered a slur while it is not. Lily is still a trap |
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jal90 said: Don't want to get into a shouting match with the other guy so I'll just quote you instead.But trans people say that this word is a slur, and they are the ones this word is often directed at. If there's one to decide whether a word is a slur or not, it's certainly not one like you or me who are not affected or referred by it. The reason it's a slur, and that might not even be the best term to describe it, is because it was used (and perhaps will continue to be used) as a legal defense for when someone killed a trans person and used the defense of "I was tricked/trapped" because they assumed the person they were about to sleep was gender conforming rather than trans. |
Yudina said: jal90 said: Don't want to get into a shouting match with the other guy so I'll just quote you instead.But trans people say that this word is a slur, and they are the ones this word is often directed at. If there's one to decide whether a word is a slur or not, it's certainly not one like you or me who are not affected or referred by it. The reason it's a slur, and that might not even be the best term to describe it, is because it was used (and perhaps will continue to be used) as a legal defense for when someone killed a trans person and used the defense of "I was tricked/trapped" because they assumed the person they were about to sleep was gender conforming rather than trans. or rather traps are depicted as extremly beautiful to the point where men who know them being male still admire thier beaty meanwhile most of trans looks like okama. trap looks is looks which most of them can not acquire and out of spite they try to make trap a slur |
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| Seriously ... One of the best episodes this season .... Damn those onion cutting ninjas..... I loved it .... |
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Walker-Vargas said: "Trap" is a joke, on how the creators fooled you again. That's why "trap" is used, as oppose to some other string of letters. I'm not new. People use to not worry about the implications, so no one pretended it meant anything different. I meant trap as a meme in general was the joke but trap as the term ain't no joke You see, you're confusing those memes, "traps are gay" those were the memes, the term trap alone was never a meme Walker-Vargas said: And no Lily wasn't mistaken for a girl. The show makes it pretty clear, that we're suppose to accept her as a girl. You're contradicting yourself here, and you're straight up lying if you say you know Lily is biologically male since episode 1, it's fact the reveal was only this episode, nobody could've known that, accepting her as a girl is no factor, everyone still got fooled believing she's biologically female, heck it's an idol show, again gender identity is of no factor here, I dunno why you bring it up, she's still a trap by definition regardless of gender identity, you're really just being an SJW here Walker-Vargas said: In fact one of the sides in this whole shit storm is all about how the word "trap" isn't transphobic, because it only referes to cis-guys. Transphobes didn't get that memo. You know you're trying to put the term trap in a sensitive topic right? The fact that there are traps who are straight makes your whole argument just calling for feminism |
| What a beautiful and emotional episode |
| “I love heroes, but I don't want to be one. Do you even know what a hero is!? For example, you have some meat. Pirates will feast on the meat, but the hero will distribute it among the people! I want to eat the meat!” - Monkey D. Luffy |
CDsalamence said: There's no such thing. He's just a boy dressed as a girl. They didn't go into details of the cause but in reality it's usually schizophrenia or some other serious mental disorder. But since here it's played plainly for laughs, the term trap seems to fit. Especially when it was such an asspull. Antanaru said: Death from shock of facial hair would be joke fitting this series (death by thunder was already ridiculous) but it got ruined by the fact it was a little boy dressed as a girl... What the hell Japan. Why force a fucking trap there. This series had a strong start but's getting worse and worse with each episode for some time already. Less and less comedy and more and more bland idol crap. @papsoshea It was actually his son. Though I don't think boy can have a voice like that, no matter how young. Well, she isn’t a trap. She’s a trans girl, the phrasing in Japanese points more towards that |
Ii tenki desu ne... |
Antanaru said: CDsalamence said: There's no such thing. He's just a boy dressed as a girl. They didn't go into details of the cause but in reality it's usually schizophrenia or some other serious mental disorder. But since here it's played plainly for laughs, the term trap seems to fit. Especially when it was such an asspull. Well, she isn’t a trap. She’s a trans girl, the phrasing in Japanese points more towards that Check your science first and then explain how is it an asspull. |
Antanaru said: CDsalamence said: There's no such thing. He's just a boy dressed as a girl. They didn't go into details of the cause but in reality it's usually schizophrenia or some other serious mental disorder. But since here it's played plainly for laughs, the term trap seems to fit. Especially when it was such an asspull. Well, she isn’t a trap. She’s a trans girl, the phrasing in Japanese points more towards that uhhh what the fuck lol |
CDsalamence said: Antanaru said: There's no such thing. He's just a boy dressed as a girl. They didn't go into details of the cause but in reality it's usually schizophrenia or some other serious mental disorder. But since here it's played plainly for laughs, the term trap seems to fit. Especially when it was such an asspull. Did you seriously imply that trans people don’t exist sooo u did registered today to preach your nonsense and troll ? |
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| This thread is WILIN' yikes |
| Man, this show really knows how to make itself serious, this was the saddest episode so far I could almost tear up. I still can't tell the one on the wrong, so I'm going for both, he wasn't the most thoughtful father, in fact, he always was, but he got caught off on his little personal ambition way too much that he neglected what's really important. And then, she was a bit on the spoiled side as well, that death is both out of the blue and lame, making her very, very spoiled. It doesn't make it any less a great episode though, I really like this dynamic they add, a lot of character development that you'd actually not expect on similar shows, but would differently appreciate. |
Honestlyyyy reading through it makes me question why I use the forums on here at all. |
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| Definitly expected that but goddamn that thread went to shit. |
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VerySad_Weeb said: I really wish people would start differentiating fiction from reality and stop projecting. The simple fact that some people here have come up with ridiculous arguments like "Transphobic comments like this is probably part of the reason why she died" or "Lily would've been led to commit suicide given the reactions in this thread" or ""You're being disrespectful towards Lily" is enough to tell me that this community is nothing short of delusional. A bunch of complete mad people who can't differentiate reality from fiction. You know, Lily's death looked dumb to me and I disliked this episode because I thought it was completely unnecessary for her to be a trap / trans girl /whatever term you wanna use, but even I know that the cause of her death was accumulated stress and overworking. And please, she is a FICTIONAL character. It feels like I'm losing brain cells while reading this thread. Anime fans are a special kind of stupid. Stress from gender dysphoria was first of it, genius, |
| So HE's a trap lol Didn't see that comming |
| Most underated anime on mal: https://myanimelist.net/anime/4651/Yume_no_Crayon_Oukoku?q=Yume%20ni%20crayon |
hazarddex said: gotterdammerung said: this entire thread is a huge mess between the people like "um tr*p is transphobic you weebs ugh i cant even" and the people like "HE is a TRAP! triggered, snowflake??" (both of these are hyperboles), i felt my IQ lower when reading this thread anyways i liked this episode. its a shame it couldnt have been a bit more serious; lily's death and her dad's stature, which was obviously meant to be humorous, kinda ruined the mood. great episode regardless although i find it funny that both camps are being a snowflake. anyway on topic are we ever going to find out the truth of yamada tae? wait..... what if yamada tae is actually related to the manager? That would be awesome, that way: manager killed Sakura and Yamada is related, every udol gain a reason to be here and it also make the first episode even funnier |
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VerySad_Weeb said: Accumulated stress encompasses all kinds of stress she was experiencing, there is no need to specify every little detail. Nobody here says that accumulated stress didn't play a huge role into making her health state delicate and bound to collapse any minute, but to say that her ultimate cause of death wasn't shock caused by dysphoria requires a special kind of lack of understanding of a linear narrative. This is exactly what the show tells you, the moment it happens. |
VerySad_Weeb said: jal90 said: Nobody here says that accumulated stress didn't play a huge role into making her health state delicate and bound to collapse any minute, but to say that her ultimate cause of death wasn't shock caused by dysphoria requires a special kind of lack of understanding of a linear narrative. This is exactly what the show tells you, the moment it happens. Yes, that is one of the factors and the straw that broke the camel's back, but Lily basically worked herself to death because of her idiot father and no one even mentions it, everyone just focuses on the shock caused by dysphoria and completely ignores the other factors that contributed to her death. I think this is mainly because that straw is relevant to the immediate later narrative events when Lily's condition is revealed and the rest of the group accepts it. So naturally this has a bigger impact than all the surrounding elements that of course contributed to her overall state of stress. |
| Very heartwarming |
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| Lily is a boy! I never saw that coming, what a way to die LOL |
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| Similar things should have happened much earlier. Decent in some ways but a bit too bizarre to take seriously. |
| Top 10 anime plot twist. But whatever, that's really an emotional episode. |
| I don't know what it is but these father-son/daughter bittersweet moments in anime always hit me the hardest |
| Quite possibly the worst thread on MAL. Which is a damn shame, considering how good this episode was. Do moderators even exist on this site? Isn't MAL owned by some big company? What are they doing? |
| I usually don't like the kind of surprise in most series where they explain later on that a certain character is not the gender that it was portraying (and it's heavy sexualized), and i have quite a number of cases in which that has happened. But in this particular case, considering how it was presented and how the character was writen, i'm not bothered at all. Actually, i found the episode to be quite heartwarming, which took me by surprise to be honest. I don't really get what's the fuss this time around with all these crying weebs. Jeez. |
| I don't care if Lily is a trap. I'm glad that we have some interesting character development. Lily's dad isn't a bad guy, I feel bad for him. I really liked the last song. And the last scene of Lily's dad watching the TV commercial even if was short, it was really powerful. |
| Amazing episode! Honestly, I was on the verge of tears when his father was looking at the TV and expected his daughter to be with him. Definitely one of the best episodes ever. This is Lily's choice. Honestly, it doesn't change my perception of her. Whether she was born biologically male and she chooses to be herself. It's all natural and not force. This is how it should be. If this was some Western garbage show. You know that they would shove down Lily's gender identification since Episode 1. Not even 5 mins and act all upfront about it. Anyways, Japan has a different perception of LGBT. You should even put your Western views on this and just enjoy the show as it presents. At the end of the day. This is all fiction. Here's a quote by Danganronpa creator Kazutaka Kodaka. https://www.dualshockers.com/too-kyo-games-interview/ "KU: For the Japanese audience fiction is fiction and it’s not reality. Maybe the western audience is more prone to connect fiction and reality, and they prefer something closer to reality even in fiction. I think this might be one of the differences between Japanese and western audiences." Can't wait for Saki's backstory! |
| Damn, I thought the episode was pretty fucking sad till I came here and all of the LGBTQABCDEFG SJWs were here and just immediately ruined that. |
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