| "The dog is man's best friend", we've all heard that phrase before. It's supposed to be a testament to the undying love and absolute and unconditional loyalty that dogs show towards their owners, and many people decide to own a dog for this very reason. If you want a companion who stays at your side until his death, who loves you with every fiber of his being... You become someone who is able to have this sort of relationship with another human being, by virtue of being a great person, a great friend, a great partner. Or you get a dog. The bond between a dog and a human isn't a sincere one, it isn't sincere the same way that a bond between two humans can be sincere. The reason for this is simple: The love that dogs show their owners is, to a great degree, unconditional. I always hear that "unconditional love" is something that we should aspire to, a sort of romantic ideal. But I think that the opposite is true. Love is at it's best when it's tied to all sorts of conditions, such as expecting emotional maturity from your partner, or expecting your partner to be there for you when you need him. If these conditions aren't given anymore, love fades, as it should. Conversely, the greater the degree of unconditionality, the less love is worth. If someone loves you unconditionally, it means you could torture their mother to death right in front of their eyes and it wouldn't make a difference to how they feel about you. It is unwavering, undying love that does not depend on any action on your part. It only depends on you being there, as a target. It is not tied to your actions or to your character. Absolute unconditional love is something only the most sociopathic or most desperate people desire, because unconditional love isn't about the other person or the dynamic between you: It's only about YOU. Of course dogs don't love you completely unconditionally. You can beat the shit out of a dog until it hates and fears you, that's not my point. The point is that the love that a dog feels for a human has a degree of unconditionality so high, that it stops being meaningful. Why would you want something like that? You want it because you are in need of love, but you're not able to get what you need from someone who is on a level with you. Maybe you are able, but you are scared of the type of love that might actually go away when you fuck up. Maybe you've been hurt before, or maybe you actually don't care about the sort of relationship you enter as long as it gets you that temporary hit of happiness. If you feel like you need a friend and think about getting a dog, my suggestion to you is this: Don't get a dog, become a better person and have a friendship that's actually meaningful. Getting a dog to satisfy your need for friendship isn't much different from getting a fuckdoll for satisfying your sexual needs. It might feel good, but you know that it's not the real thing. It can never be the real thing. ____________________________________________________________ TL;DR: If it doesn't even matter in a relationship if you're a person of good character or not, the relationship doesn't have any merit. If love is unconditional, it is not tied to your character or actions, and is therefore not different from mindless servitude. The closer love is to mindless servitude, the further away it is from the ideal. The relationship between an animal and a human are at the far lower end of the spectrum, and should therefore be avoided.  |
Railey2Sep 29, 2018 3:06 AM
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deg said: This is exactly my point, deg.pet therapy works though, i do not know about unconditional love since pets love you first because you regularly give them food for example but pets can give you a sense of companionship (something you will have a lot of time with) without the critical socials skills that are needed and can be stressing in human friendship Why do they use dogs for therapy and who are the sort of people that benefit from therapeutic pets? People who are down so low that they can't form proper relationships with other people, so they have to use dogs as a stepping stone, hoping that they'll one day become a proper person again - a person who can have a proper and mature relationship with another person. In other words, it's a pathetic state to be in. Hence the use of therapy to get people out of it ASAP. |
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| While blindly unconditional love is certainly unwise, I don't care enough to put up with your mental gymnastics. |
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| There is value in being loyal and that is consistency. If your feelings can easily waver like that and make you leave a person just because you're currently in a shitty situation with your partner and/or friend, then you haven't liked them enough in the first place. Also, there is a characteristic called "integrity". Sure, you can question your own moral and values if things don't work out, but too completely stray away from yourself and trying to become a person you are not is not a good idea imho. Don't get a dog, become a better person and have a friendship that's actually meaningful. Errm, a meaningful relationship requires having and being a "dog". Sure, loyalty is not everything, but because many people have become quite low, it is a fairly noble trait, just like always being on time or waiting on the red light. |
Railey2 said: deg said: This is exactly my point, deg.pet therapy works though, i do not know about unconditional love since pets love you first because you regularly give them food for example but pets can give you a sense of companionship (something you will have a lot of time with) without the critical socials skills that are needed and can be stressing in human friendship Why do they use dogs for therapy and who are the sort of people that benefit from therapeutic pets? People who are down so low that they can't form proper relationships with other people, so they have to use dogs as a stepping stone, hoping that they'll one day become a proper person again - a person who can have a proper and mature relationship with another person. In other words, it's a pathetic state to be in. Hence the use of therapy to get people out of it ASAP. Yeah, damn those pathetic people who go through traumatic events that gives them PTSD. Fucking losers needing a dog to feel some happiness lmao. |
| I mean, some dogs can be trained to lead blind people around an shit. People would just steal a blind mans wallet, I know I would. Then I will redistribute my ill gotten gains to acquire unconditional love from other humans, at least until the monies run out. ;_; Please stop enslaving dogs to the will of your handicaps. |
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| did dad say your dog was going to stay on a farm when you were younger? : ( |
| the official MAL hall of fame/cursed comments is now open for business - you are welcome to PM me any potential quotes to include |
| cats > humans > dogs This is my preference in terms of how I like them overall. They each serve their own purposes. :> I don't see any as a replacement for another, but cats give me a magical type of satisfaction I can't get anywhere else. |
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| Since when did best friend equal unconditional love. OP, did you just come out of a dysfunctionl relationship with someone did they beat your mother in front of you and you decided omg this applies to everything that exists ever? |
  ❝ falling sick on a journey my dream wanders around fields of dry grass. ❞ (♫) |
| There's a nice movie called A Boy and His Dog about this. Has a nice ending that I agree with. |
| I wouldn't know-I've never owned a dog and never will. |
| Life Is Short But Intense. |
| i don't care enough to read all that tbh i still love my dog. |
 Ｓｗｅｅｔ♥I guess, as long as I have life, all I can do is fight with all my might. |
| This is again the OP who'd rather kill Tigers than human. Oh my OP, you're at again... |
Railey2 said: wow, 542 words. If your reading speed is even just a tad above average, you're done reading after just 2 minutes. If that's already too much for you, I don't know what to tell you. Life must be hard when your attention span is shorter than a minute. Congratz on living up to your username, I guess. Oof savage u spawnofcancer Ya I agree with ur post, I mean the last time I had a dog, the son of a bitch went and got himself ran over like he no longer wanted to live with us So I was like fuck u anyway and watched him die |
  ur opinion = shit |
Wait what so op posted some other dumb post on why tigers should die rather than humans Hold my wig |
ur opinion = shit |
ezlord said: Wait what so op posted some other dumb post on why tigers should die rather than humans Hold my wig I think this is the sequel of his own monologue that had turn into a shitposting thread |
| We should stop the enslavement of animals and plants and go back to how things were before the worst mistake happened, agriculture. Mankind will be once again one with nature. That would require some large-scale population control though. |
| Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I really don't think dogs are capable of "love". Isn't this a human emotion? I've always thought the only reason my dogs show loyalty to me is because I feed them. |
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Y-White said: Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I really don't think dogs are capable of "love". Isn't this a human emotion? I've always thought the only reason my dogs show loyalty to me is because I feed them. Eh I think they are capable of love Well love again is subjective. Love is theorized to be an evolutionary mechanism to help us promote the welfare of our species. We tend to love our kids, dogs tend to "love their pups" so will fight to defend their pups etc Correct me if I'm wrong but I think dogs have a brain of a three year old -5 year old humans I also know people who will only show loyalty when u feed them. I also know some humans who are no better than dogs |
ur opinion = shit |
ezlord said: https://www.petmd.com/dog/behavior/dog-brain-facts-understanding-canine-cognitionY-White said: Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I really don't think dogs are capable of "love". Isn't this a human emotion? I've always thought the only reason my dogs show loyalty to me is because I feed them. Eh I think they are capable of love Well love again is subjective. Love is theorized to be an evolutionary mechanism to help us promote the welfare of our species. We tend to love our kids, dogs tend to "love their pups" so will fight to defend their pups etc Correct me if I'm wrong but I think dogs have a brain of a three year old -5 year old humans I also know people who will only show loyalty when u feed them. I also know some humans who are no better than dogs This article seems to say so, but this is only in their level of cognition...a 3-5 year old definitely has no concept of love. |
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| Hey, I kinda like this post. People don't usually bring up this viewpoint. Even if the writing style comes off as a bit edgy to me. My favorite part is (although not directly related to dogs) the sentiment that the most beautiful love is one that's achieved by emotional maturity and compromises. Anyone who has dated someone in long-term should know the importance of that in a functioning relationship. I must say I agree. In the end, dogs are bred to love people and it is their method of survival. One can have varying opinions on how beautiful it is, but at least we know for certain that it's very effective. |
| Let's cut to the chase with this "love" stuff. Can Dogs Consent? If you've ever watched Animal Husbandry videos, then you'll know that once a horse has lubed up and has figured out what you're doing, the mare won't bother stopping you. But only if they are already familiar with you. IDK how studs work, outside of being heavily sedated for cavelo South American videos. |
| Nice essay! It's not in MLA format though, so it gets an F! (Come see me in my office after class) |
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| Maybe OP tried to have an illicit love affair with a dog and was sorely disappointed Gee he really should stop projecting his issues |
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Heo_Son said: Let's cut to the chase with this "love" stuff. Can Dogs Consent? If you've ever watched Animal Husbandry videos, then you'll know that once a horse has lubed up and has figured out what you're doing, the mare won't bother stopping you. But only if they are already familiar with you. IDK how studs work, outside of being heavily sedated for cavelo South American videos. Ya idk man I guess we've been raping dogs all along |
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| I think it's a lot less pathetic to rely on companion animals (or any other crutch) because a person is lonely/isolated due to depression, anxiety, mental illness/deficiency, etc., than because of simply being a malignant narcissist who needs an effortless, steady supply of emotional "service". It all depends on the individual, but I don't usually consider people "pathetic". I might feel bad for some of them, or at worst find them "difficult" or "exhausting" to deal with. It's only sick, anti-social people who live to feel sorry for themselves, because they have no emotional capacity for anything greater, that I find pathetic, even contemptible. |
| You're taking unconditional love to a degree of literal meaning that isn't usually what is meant. Unconditional love means you love someone for who they are not what they do for you. It means you love them even if they don't love you back. As for dogs there even is cases of dogs waiting for years for their long dead owners or laying on their grave. |
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| Well I think you have to define the type of "love"... I would scrap the use of the word love all together and just say loyalty tbh. |
 "The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." -Friedrich Nietzsche |
Alomin said: Srsly OP, who hurt you to hate on animals so much? Hi I just wanted to say your set is cute and I love that artist Who cares about staying on topic for such a shit thread anyway |
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ezlord said: We've been raping dogs to make more dogs to rape. Heo_Son said: Let's cut to the chase with this "love" stuff. Can Dogs Consent? If you've ever watched Animal Husbandry videos, then you'll know that once a horse has lubed up and has figured out what you're doing, the mare won't bother stopping you. But only if they are already familiar with you. IDK how studs work, outside of being heavily sedated for cavelo South American videos. Ya idk man I guess we've been raping dogs all along That's fucked up dude. |
Truly Essentially we got people like Whitney in Wisconsin who basically rape dogs or bait them into sex by putting peanut butter in their coosh then after the deed is done they have a bunch of dogs and sometimes if u look closely u can see anatomically they are Actually human And those humans will rape other dogs and humans and that's how we propagate our species. Win win We all become best friends that way, but like op was saying, not real best friends just with benefits |
ur opinion = shit |
Lunafleurette said: what part about it is mental gymnastics?While blindly unconditional love is certainly unwise, I don't care enough to put up with your mental gymnastics. here, I made this little thing, it should help with understanding the core idea of this thread. I also added a tl;dr |
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the highest adult relationship is marriage right? but look at the divorce rates skyrocketing just because of the financial problems for example so so much for deep relationships imo P.S. you should rename the title lol its no longer about dogs |
Nithirel said: I'm not saying that the people who are in this state are pathetic, I'm saying that the mental state itself is pathetic and should be corrected as soon as possible.Yeah, damn those pathetic people who go through traumatic events that gives them PTSD. Fucking losers needing a dog to feel some happiness lmao. One might get unlucky and have a really fucked up childhood, ending up severely traumatized and incapable of forming meaningful relationships through no fault of their own. |
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deg said: Marriage is just a social institution, it has nothing to do with how healthy a relationship is. the highest adult relationship is marriage right? but look at the divorce rates skyrocketing just because of the financial problems for example so so much for deep relationships imo There are many people who get married that make horrible couples, cheat, abuse each other, and so forth. The "highest" adult relationship, the one at the far right of my little chart, is a relationship where two people formed a bond that's shaped through years of mutual understanding and compromise. A relationship where both partners are responsive to one another, one that's defined by mutual respect and consideration. Marriage is not a prerequisite. |
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deg said: no, in that case i was talking about a romantic relationship. In any case, we're starting to get off-topic. so you are talking about best friends then, that is rare this days imo considering that people are either more busy with work or finding financial security for themselves or their own family if they have children or distracted more from the internet or their smartphones so a lot of people have no time to form long term friendships this days and the state of the economy and technological progress are one of the main culprits Sad said: did dad say your dog was going to stay on a farm when you were younger? : ( Alomin said: Srsly OP, who hurt you to hate on animals so much? Muwi said: did they beat your mother in front of you and you decided omg this applies to everything that exists ever? I merely saw that there was a connection between how strongly character and a relationship are linked, and how much value said relationship has. I believe that everyone knows this, it's the reason why we don't take teenage relationships as seriously (because they are superficial), and why we don't take relationships with inanimate objects seriously at all. The less your character and actions matter in a relationship, the less the relationship matters as a whole. Now with this in mind, think about where dogs rank. Realize that the love that a dog feels for its owner is essentially on a level with the love that a crazed Justin Bieber fangirl feels for Justin Bieber - completely detached from anything that actually matters in a normal relationship. Unconditional. |
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| im alone til death, which will come soon. fuck love. |
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| The whole criticizing of loyalty without getting enough back is acting very much against one of the most important German values: "Treue" (loyalty/fidelity, related to "true"). It's mentioned i.a. in the song of the Germans, other songs and in our own national epic that loyalty is a noble characteristic and it's not a coincidence that "German shepherds" stand for loyalty like no other dogs. If you have a partner who is sick unto death, you cannot have a healthy relationship with them and thus according to the original poster, we should just dump them. But this is not what the "faithful Hussar", annually revered in German folk song would do. In any case, "if all become disloyal/unfaithful, we remain loyal/faithful". Here is some more information about the most important German virtue: Treue (loyalty/fidelity) https://youtu.be/Op8IKOolHnU?t=181 (only in German, but you can enable the subtitles and auto-translate it) To add to the symbolic: the flower "forget-me-not" has its name from German "Vergissmeinnicht" and symbolizes both loyalty/faithfulness and true love. |
NoboruSep 28, 2018 1:15 PM
Hatred said: The quote is completely wrong in the first place. It is not "The dog is a man's best friend", but "The dog is man's best friend".unconditional love isn't pathetic but i agree that a dog isn't a man's best friend "man" is to be read as "human" and not as a male person. When we say "The dog is man's best friend", we do not compare humans with each other, nor a single human with another human vs an animal, but the human species with other animals. And dogs are the most reliable and friendliest species to us as humans. |
Hatred said: Not a problem; it makes for a big difference whether you only mean a single person or the whole humanity. However, if you know that "man" stands for "human", what other species do you think is man's best friend, then?should have googled the quote before saying anything,my bad and i know that 'man' is to be read as 'human' |
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