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MrNTR said: Wait, was that how it happened? I remember him saying the entire chant there in the VN but maybe my memories fail me. This is the ONLY time when the English version of the chant is used though, as Shirou's version that he uses against Gil is the Japanese version, so Archer had to had said the whole thing here. I don't think UBW was invoked in his fight against Shirou. Anyways, like I said, I completely understand why they cut it short. As for the chant |
nocorrasMay 18, 2015 11:29 PM
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MrNTR said: this is an episode thread not a sppoiler thread. dont be a jackass...not that kind of jackass anywaysOh, and are people butt-hurt cuz this is suppose to be one of Archer's biggest moments but it was cut a bit short? Sorry to say fanboys but you can be in all the denial you want, all the best battle-related scenes all belong to Shirou, in all routes. |
MrNTR said: Oh, and are people butt-hurt cuz this is suppose to be one of Archer's biggest moments but it was cut a bit short? Sorry to say fanboys but you can be in all the denial you want, all the best battle-related scenes all belong to Shirou, in all routes. Anime doesn't agree with you. Archer still got more moments than your generic galgame protagonist in ubw2014. |
They were stabbing him, not taking him to the gallows: Unless you meant another pic. |
| Wow that was actually a great episode (even though Archer could have easily killed Shirou before Rin interfered, but meh, it's not like there is a possibility for the protagonist to die before the ending) Didn't expect Rin to do that. Clever. Even though I knew about Archer's identity before even starting the anime, this was really well done. Lol@ Lancer answer to Saber's dumb question, I'm starting to really like his character. 4.5/5 |
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| The people here just suck all the fun out of this show. IF YOU THINK ITS SO BAD WHY DID YOU KEEP WATCHING?! Its getting a little lame though. Like why is Redhair dude suddenly able to do more magic? |
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Rebelhero said: The people here just suck all the fun out of this show. IF YOU THINK ITS SO BAD WHY DID YOU KEEP WATCHING?! Its getting a little lame though. Like why is Redhair dude suddenly able to do more magic? That's all explained within a few more episodes, I think 7 or 8. |
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KamiCity said: they explained it several episodes back what are you talking about. shirou hadnt recovered to be able to use more projections until the time of the castle or now evenRebelhero said: The people here just suck all the fun out of this show. IF YOU THINK ITS SO BAD WHY DID YOU KEEP WATCHING?! Its getting a little lame though. Like why is Redhair dude suddenly able to do more magic? That's all explained within a few more episodes, I think 7 or 8. |
| Hmm, wish they'd spent more time wallowing in the awesomeness that is UBW. It seems like it was over before it even began, not quite fitting of a really great moment. The same for Rin making the contract with Saber, which was a "holy shit!" moment for me in the VN. Otherwise, I liked the scene between Rin and Archer and the "Faker" moment. But, yeah, can't say I'm overly happy with how this turned out as a whole. edit: Oh, and one thing I do like was how Shirou attacked Archer in order to stop the attack. I don't think this happened in the VN, but it seems like a pretty in character thing for him to do. It was also a pretty cool moment for him. Switching to UBW being suddenly inactive was kind of weird though, kind of felt like the scene of it shutting down was skipped or something. |
Ston3_FreeN7Jul 5, 2015 2:23 PM
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3Inquisitor said: Hmm, wish they'd spent more time wallowing in the awesomeness that is UBW. It seems like it was over before it even began, not quite fitting of a really great moment. The same for Rin making the contract with Saber, which was a "holy shit!" moment for me in the VN. Otherwise, I liked the scene between Rin and Archer and the "Faker" moment. But, yeah, can't say I'm overly happy with how this turned out as a whole. In the VN this UBW scene was also small |
MightyM16 said: insan3Inquisitor said: Hmm, wish they'd spent more time wallowing in the awesomeness that is UBW. It seems like it was over before it even began, not quite fitting of a really great moment. The same for Rin making the contract with Saber, which was a "holy shit!" moment for me in the VN. Otherwise, I liked the scene between Rin and Archer and the "Faker" moment. But, yeah, can't say I'm overly happy with how this turned out as a whole. In the VN this UBW scene was also small Yeah, I suppose so. The thing is that a VN allows the reader more time to soak in the moment and I think the scene in the anime should have been dragged out just a bit more to compensate. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
MightyM16 said: insan3Inquisitor said: Hmm, wish they'd spent more time wallowing in the awesomeness that is UBW. It seems like it was over before it even began, not quite fitting of a really great moment. The same for Rin making the contract with Saber, which was a "holy shit!" moment for me in the VN. Otherwise, I liked the scene between Rin and Archer and the "Faker" moment. But, yeah, can't say I'm overly happy with how this turned out as a whole. In the VN this UBW scene was also small Except not. Stop twisting the facts. In VN the scene was NOT about Archer and Saber standing still and talking |
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| Oh look, we just got whole 1 min of UBW. |
| Oh stop being a little bitch Archer. I'm sure that other heroic spirits have gone through hell, Saber being one of them, yet you don't see them acting like douchebags and wanting to kill their past self as revenge. |
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| While it was an interesting episode and especially nice setting like the movie, the pacing was still shit. |
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| "Unlimited...Blade Works..." |
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| To all those "elitists" complaining about the Saber/Archer fight being rushed. No offense but you guys need to stop nitpicking everything. I'll admit the Saber power up from Rin wasn't intense compared to the VN but the length of the fight felt right. The fight in the VN was even long to begin with. After I saw this episode, I reread the VN regarding this part. Here are some quotes from the VN to prove it. Before Saber's power up, "The battle ended after a few blows." And here's a quote after the power up, "The match is settled rather quickly." There wasn't even a lot of text in between. |
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dasbattousai said: To all those "elitists" complaining about the Saber/Archer fight being rushed. No offense but you guys need to stop nitpicking everything. I'll admit the Saber power up from Rin wasn't intense compared to the VN but the length of the fight felt right. The fight in the VN was even long to begin with. After I saw this episode, I reread the VN regarding this part. Here are some quotes from the VN to prove it. Before Saber's power up, "The battle ended after a few blows." And here's a quote after the power up, "The match is settled rather quickly." There wasn't even a lot of text in between. I think that's the issue, actually. For what was meant to be Saber's crowning moment after spending a good chunk of the route as a damsel in distress, they payoff was...uninspiring. As much as I usually laugh at the statement, I do believe Saber vs Archer was done better in the DEEN version. The surge of power is more impressive as opposed to the minor glow Saber got here (especially when you remember how Shirou's first projection made him look like a goddamn SSJ2) and we actually see her no sell his best shot and launch a flurry of offense that Archer can only block against at the cost of his depleting energy (ie. exactly what happens in the vn). All she does in ufo's version is break one of Archer's swords (which doesn't really mean much, considering his power) and do the same overhead strike that gets blocked (except this maybe worse since Archer was able to block it with a broken sword). Although both versions have one flaw in my opinion: Archer was never hit once. You mean to tell me that when pumped by Caster he can still get kicked around by Lancer, but once the tank starts to run low a Rin-powered Saber can't even scratch him? Why did the Einzberns want her again? |
dasbattousai said: To all those "elitists" complaining about the Saber/Archer fight being rushed. No offense but you guys need to stop nitpicking everything. I'll admit the Saber power up from Rin wasn't intense compared to the VN but the length of the fight felt right. The fight in the VN was even long to begin with. After I saw this episode, I reread the VN regarding this part. Here are some quotes from the VN to prove it. Before Saber's power up, "The battle ended after a few blows." And here's a quote after the power up, "The match is settled rather quickly." There wasn't even a lot of text in between. THe point was that instead of Saber showcasing her strength and Archer showcasing his under-handedness, all we seen was them standing in a new landscape blabbering bullshit while not fighting. |
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| I'm sure I had nitpicks, but then Unlimited Blade Works happened and I forgot everything. |
| I don't really get what Archer's Noble Phantasm does. I guess he can turn into Blondie, but how did he capture Rin? And why did the world go away when Shirou ran in? Is Archer Shirou himself? Or he's could just be some obvious heroic spirit that I don't know of :p I hope we find out next episode. |
Ando- said: but how did he capture Rin? It's a scene that was cut from the TV version. Watch the Blu-ray version to see how he did it. |
| Just thought of something: Was there ever a reason Archer didn't project Balmung or Arondight against Saber? Wouldn't their Anti-Dragon properties along with the skills of Siegfried and Lancelot (whose swordsmanship outclasses Saber's) help him out better than Kanshou and Bakuya? |
AllenNoah said: Just thought of something: Was there ever a reason Archer didn't project Balmung or Arondight against Saber? Wouldn't their Anti-Dragon properties along with the skills of Siegfried and Lancelot (whose swordsmanship outclasses Saber's) help him out better than Kanshou and Bakuya? Episode 11 Spoilers: Unless you're Gil, no matter how skillful you are, you need a weapon that will be able to withstand taking direct hits from Excalibur. Or this embarrassment will always happen:  |
astroprogsNov 5, 2015 10:18 PM
| Arondight is a Divine Construct like Excalibur,so he can't create it.And he's probably never seen it anyway. Same deal with Balmung but even if he did,Archer's not Siegfried,so it wouldn't matter .And iirc Siegfried was the one with Anti-Dragon(and Dragon) properties,not his sword. |
| The Sword has the properties; Balmung: Phantasmal Greatsword, Felling of the Sky Demon Rank: A+ Type: Anti-Army Range: 1-50 Maximum number of targets: 500 people A cursed holy blade which had accomplished the feat of dragon slaying. It also possesses the attributes of its origin, the demonic blade Gram, and will change attributes between holy sword and demonic sword depending on who wields it. The blue jewel of the hilt stores and preserves magic energy (true Ether) from the age of gods, and upon releasing it, emanates a twilight aura. Those with the blood of dragons take additional damage. but Archers never seen it to use it anyway. |
AllenNoah said: Just thought of something: Was there ever a reason Archer didn't project Balmung or Arondight against Saber? Wouldn't their Anti-Dragon properties along with the skills of Siegfried and Lancelot (whose swordsmanship outclasses Saber's) help him out better than Kanshou and Bakuya? Because he was not interested in actually FIGHTING her? I mean he still has his own goal and his own plan. I mean otherwise he would just create an imitation of Excalibur and both of them would die. Everything in this fight went according to his plan(except the contract). He used underhanded tricks to survive Saber and then he proceeded with his plan. |
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CookingPriest said: AllenNoah said: Just thought of something: Was there ever a reason Archer didn't project Balmung or Arondight against Saber? Wouldn't their Anti-Dragon properties along with the skills of Siegfried and Lancelot (whose swordsmanship outclasses Saber's) help him out better than Kanshou and Bakuya? Because he was not interested in actually FIGHTING her? I mean he still has his own goal and his own plan. I mean otherwise he would just create an imitation of Excalibur and both of them would die. Everything in this fight went according to his plan(except the contract). He used underhanded tricks to survive Saber and then he proceeded with his plan. If he wasn't interested in fighting her, then why bother to attack her? Saber made no indication that she was going to, remember? He launched the first strike and was either dodged (anime) or blocked/deflected (vn). |
AllenNoah said: CookingPriest said: Because he was not interested in actually FIGHTING her? I mean he still has his own goal and his own plan. I mean otherwise he would just create an imitation of Excalibur and both of them would die. Everything in this fight went according to his plan(except the contract). He used underhanded tricks to survive Saber and then he proceeded with his plan. If he wasn't interested in fighting her, then why bother to attack her? Saber made no indication that she was going to, remember? He launched the first strike and was either dodged (anime) or blocked/deflected (vn). Because he did not engage in actual warfare and only in actual psychological one beating down Saber's idealism and creating a chance to escape(because trying to actually RUN from battle ready servant like Saber would be suicide otherwise). Anime portrayal bullshit is non canon anyway. Archer delivered a verbal beatdown to Saber to get an opening and used the resulting mess to escape kidnapping Rin. |
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| The only reason Archer got away is because Saber didn't want to kill him after she found out he was Shirou,so she didn't come at him with any killing intent. She could have easily ended him many times over instead of trying to talk him out of doing what he was doing and letting him cast UBW,but she didn't. Also Archer never mentioned anything about Saber's ideals.Just her wish.And it didn't affect her in any way whatsoever,besides making her pity him more. |
CookingPriest said: Because he did not engage in actual warfare and only in actual psychological one beating down Saber's idealism and creating a chance to escape(because trying to actually RUN from battle ready servant like Saber would be suicide otherwise). Anime portrayal bullshit is non canon anyway. Archer delivered a verbal beatdown to Saber to get an opening and used the resulting mess to escape kidnapping Rin. Except the only reason they came to blows is because Archer basically said "You think you're better than me?" and attacking. Remember, Saber tried to talk him down and in both adaptations Archer throws the first strike. He only delivered the verbal beatdown after Saber's big swing. Also, |
| I've always wondered why Archer thought leaving an Avalon-less Saber and Rin to fight alone vs Team Yuetsu and their pet dog was a good idea tbh Also Archer doesn't have self-pity.More like self-loathing. |
DamnThatsTheSpotNov 10, 2015 7:30 AM
AllenNoah said: CookingPriest said: Because he did not engage in actual warfare and only in actual psychological one beating down Saber's idealism and creating a chance to escape(because trying to actually RUN from battle ready servant like Saber would be suicide otherwise). Anime portrayal bullshit is non canon anyway. Archer delivered a verbal beatdown to Saber to get an opening and used the resulting mess to escape kidnapping Rin. Except the only reason they came to blows is because Archer basically said "You think you're better than me?" and attacking. Remember, Saber tried to talk him down and in both adaptations Archer throws the first strike. He only delivered the verbal beatdown after Saber's big swing. Also, Archer is all about theatrics. The moment you take anything he says or does for face value, you lose. IF entirety of his "charming knight" act in the first half is an act(it mostly is, considering he was tricking Rin into not restricting him more with CS since prologue), what stops him from playing a different role? I can't believe I am defending that asshole, but |
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CookingPriest said: AllenNoah said: Except the only reason they came to blows is because Archer basically said "You think you're better than me?" and attacking. Remember, Saber tried to talk him down and in both adaptations Archer throws the first strike. He only delivered the verbal beatdown after Saber's big swing. Also, Archer is all about theatrics. The moment you take anything he says or does for face value, you lose. IF entirety of his "charming knight" act in the first half is an act(it mostly is, considering he was tricking Rin into not restricting him more with CS since prologue), what stops him from playing a different role? I can't believe I am defending that asshole, but |
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| The only thing that so far I don't like is that Gilgamesh I still don't quite understand this "Counter Guardian" thing Archer says... I think I'll won't understand unless I read the UBW route because with the anime explanation I couldn't grasp it all. I think that Arche's wish in life was being a hero, and he agreed with the grail to become a heroic spirit so he could save people. But being invoked to many times and not making changes, betrayed and such, he and his dream rooted away and he became what he is. Now he wants to kill Shirou so any of that happens? No? I think I'm heavily wrong but meh, I'll understand eventually. But really, I feel dumb for not getting it at once -_- Gil: Feikah Taiga: It's faker, roll your tongue for the R. Gil: FEIKAH OH, BTW... the moment Saber became Rin's servant I was like: YEAH!!! FUCK YEAH! Finally! |
HumbertoZeroApr 16, 2016 4:11 PM
HDarkmantis said: Archer didnt make any deal with the grail. Did you ever see Kara no kyoukai? Archer's status as a guardian is as an agent of the counterforce also a plotpoint in KnK. yea if you read UBW they give you a more detailed explanation....but i'd think at this point that is a given?The only thing that so far I don't like is that Gilgamesh I still don't quite understand this "Counter Guardian" thing Archer says... I think I'll won't understand unless I read the UBW route because with the anime explanation I couldn't grasp it all. I think that Arche's wish in life was being a hero, and he agreed with the grail to become a heroic spirit so he could save people. But being invoked to many times and not making changes, betrayed and such, he and his dream rooted away and he became what he is. Now he wants to kill Shirou so any of that happens? No? I think I'm heavily wrong but meh, I'll understand eventually. But really, I feel dumb for not getting it at once -_- Gil: Feikah Taiga: It's faker, roll your tongue for the R. Gil: FEIKAH OH, BTW... the moment Saber became Rin's servant I was like: YEAH!!! FUCK YEAH! Finally! |
MaloghurstApr 16, 2016 7:12 PM
Maloghurst said: HDarkmantis said: Archer didnt make any deal with the grail. he sold his soul at a much later time. Did you ever see Kara no kyoukai? Archer's status as a guardian is as an agent of the counterforce also mentioned in KnK. yea if you read UBW they give you a more detailed explanation....but i'd think at this point that is a given?The only thing that so far I don't like is that Gilgamesh I still don't quite understand this "Counter Guardian" thing Archer says... I think I'll won't understand unless I read the UBW route because with the anime explanation I couldn't grasp it all. I think that Arche's wish in life was being a hero, and he agreed with the grail to become a heroic spirit so he could save people. But being invoked to many times and not making changes, betrayed and such, he and his dream rooted away and he became what he is. Now he wants to kill Shirou so any of that happens? No? I think I'm heavily wrong but meh, I'll understand eventually. But really, I feel dumb for not getting it at once -_- Gil: Feikah Taiga: It's faker, roll your tongue for the R. Gil: FEIKAH OH, BTW... the moment Saber became Rin's servant I was like: YEAH!!! FUCK YEAH! Finally! I knew I once heard that Counter Guardian somewhere! It was in KnK! The Counter Force thing... But I don´t remember anything that may seem like Archer... oh well, maybe when I re-watch it I´ll catch it. |
HDarkmantis said: well i mean Archer of course wasnt mentioned in kara no kyoukai seeing how Kara no kyoukai was written years before fate/stay night :/ the force itself is what i mean. when archer is talking about guardians he means the counterforce.Maloghurst said: Archer didnt make any deal with the grail. he sold his soul at a much later time. Did you ever see Kara no kyoukai? Archer's status as a guardian is as an agent of the counterforce also mentioned in KnK. yea if you read UBW they give you a more detailed explanation....but i'd think at this point that is a given? I knew I once heard that Counter Guardian somewhere! It was in KnK! The Counter Force thing... But I don´t remember anything that may seem like Archer... oh well, maybe when I re-watch it I´ll catch it. |
Maloghurst said: well i mean Archer of course wasnt mentioned in kara no kyoukai seeing how Kara no kyoukai was written years before fate/stay night :/ the force itself is what i mean. when archer is talking about guardians he means the counterforce. Yeah, I know there's no "Archer" mentioned, I meant I didn't catch any reference rather than the counter force itself. I did not know there was something like Guardians. |
HDarkmantis said: believe there was at least a mentioning in spiral paradox since the counterforce couldnt act due to the the spiral building.Maloghurst said: well i mean Archer of course wasnt mentioned in kara no kyoukai seeing how Kara no kyoukai was written years before fate/stay night :/ the force itself is what i mean. when archer is talking about guardians he means the counterforce. Yeah, I know there's no "Archer" mentioned, I meant I didn't catch any reference rather than the counter force itself. I did not know there was something like Guardians. |
HDarkmantis said: I still don't quite understand this "Counter Guardian" thing Archer says... I think I'll won't understand unless I read the UBW route because with the anime explanation I couldn't grasp it all. I think that Arche's wish in life was being a hero, and he agreed with the grail to become a heroic spirit so he could save people. But being invoked to many times and not making changes, betrayed and such, he and his dream rooted away and he became what he is. Now he wants to kill Shirou so any of that happens? No? I think I'm heavily wrong but meh, I'll understand eventually. But really, I feel dumb for not getting it at once -_- It has nothing to do with the grail. You can't exactly interact with what does not exist and Grail only exists during the grail war. He made the deal with "the world". And yes it is explained in better depth in VN. This episode in anime is rushed at like 3x speed and could have taken up 2 episodes - Second cour has a tendency to drag out unimportant and rush the important moments. Anime will explain more but the explanation they use will be...well, let's just say it does not exactly portray what Archer was doing correctly. Counter Guardians are also mentioned in Fate route |
AhenshihaelApr 16, 2016 10:52 PM
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Fai said: HDarkmantis said: I still don't quite understand this "Counter Guardian" thing Archer says... I think I'll won't understand unless I read the UBW route because with the anime explanation I couldn't grasp it all. I think that Arche's wish in life was being a hero, and he agreed with the grail to become a heroic spirit so he could save people. But being invoked to many times and not making changes, betrayed and such, he and his dream rooted away and he became what he is. Now he wants to kill Shirou so any of that happens? No? I think I'm heavily wrong but meh, I'll understand eventually. But really, I feel dumb for not getting it at once -_- It has nothing to do with the grail. You can't exactly interact with what does not exist and Grail only exists during the grail war. He made the deal with "the world". And yes it is explained in better depth in VN. This episode in anime is rushed at like 3x speed and could have taken up 2 episodes - Second cour has a tendency to drag out unimportant and rush the important moments. Anime will explain more but the explanation they use will be...well, let's just say it does not exactly portray what Archer was doing correctly. Counter Guardians are also mentioned in Fate route Ohh, that makes much sense (the spoiler tag). Thanks. Anyway, I'm sure I'll pick it up when I read it. :) |
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