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| Having hououin Kyouma back made the whole series worth it ^_^ it's certainly getting better since the cgi helecopter, still gives me nightmares ;-; also I like how we've gone in a big loop for the last five episodes XD |
Moe_BlobSep 13, 2018 2:07 PM
| ASDFGHAGKJHLJKJ HE'S FRICKIN BACK. THIS WAS HANDS DOWN THE BEST EPISODE OF THE SEASON I MISSED KYOUMA SO MUCH. They got that Leskinen guy soo bad oh snap! Moeka yasss! But Mayuri and Suzuha made it this time right... |
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| What an episode!! Haven't been this happy in a long time, all thanks to the legendary MAD SCIENTIST!! El. Psy. Kongroo |
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| Why was Suzuha a child in his 2nd leap when she was a teen when he woke up from his coma?? |
vong10 said: Why was Suzuha a child in his 2nd leap when she was a teen when he woke up from his coma?? That wasn't the 2nd leap, he did hundreds of them to get to that point, they just did it offscreen. He had reached 2025 by that point, which was 11 years of 2-week time leaps. |
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 'I grant thee the title of Lab Member 009......... Hiyajo SAFINA.' "Who-who the hell's that?!" LOOOOL |
ahmedhassan99988 said: For those who read the VN _ are okabe is gonna to use the time machine or there is no need for ? Even the VN readers don't know what is next, because of the time machine destroyed again... In the VN, it was destroyed only once |
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SheevPalpatine said: ahmedhassan99988 said: For those who read the VN _ are okabe is gonna to use the time machine or there is no need for ? Even the VN readers don't know what is next, because of the time machine destroyed again... In the VN, it was destroyed only once It wasnt a convergence point and we dont exactly whats next, but it doesnt really matter for the ending. It rather fits MWC/Arclight better to make this a convergence point. |
| Amazing episode. I can't really complaint. Makes me wonder how they'll correct the convergence with the time machine blowing up. |
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| ok...this was a better episode than the rest.. |
| Episode 20 and this was sick! Time to endure a 1 week wait again! |
| I can't be happier to see Hououin Kyouma come back. This is why I love Steins; Gate. That EL Psy Congroo... |
If you are going to disagree with me, don't bother talking to me. I will seriously hurt you! |
| Hououin Kyouma is back baby!!! I cried tears of joy I wished for his return for so long, I'm not satisfied now I need more epic episodes like this hopefully the two other episodes are worth the hype. |
| Finally I'm having the same feeling of the first one. It's this kind of episodes that makes Steins;Gate a masterpiece for me. The soundtrack, the directing, everything is beautiful. Seeing Okabe transitioning from the traumatized Okabe to the old one was f****** exciting and hit me in the heart (mainly when he said "El Psy Kongroo"). The 0's development was really slow, but I'm really happy that the plot developed until this exactly old feeling that I've had watching the classic. (I'm almost in tears xD). |
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herrickluk said: 'I grant thee the title of Lab Member 009......... Hiyajo SAFINA.' "Who-who the hell's that?!" LOOOOL I must say that this scene made me insanely happy xD you see that the Old Okabe is back when he starts to give random names for everyone. |
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herrickluk said: 'I grant thee the title of Lab Member 009......... Hiyajo SAFINA.' "Who-who the hell's that?!" LOOOOL Subber derp. Not Hiyajo Safina, but Hiya Josephina. The reawakening of Hououin Kyouma scene was really powerful. I got so emotional! EL PSY KONGROO... |
evilcornSep 14, 2018 5:10 PM
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| Wow... 3000 time leaps... Old Okabe... El Psy Congroo. |
  Katsura janai, Zura da |
| OMG! Hououin Kyouma is back and he’s here to stay! Man, words can’t even describe how much I miss the old Okabe. I’m so happy that our favorite Mad Scientist is back. Can’t wait to see how this will ultimately end. Also, Okabe definitely deserved that punch from Daru haha. |
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| El Psy Congroo... What an episode and WHAT AN ENDING! I knew it was going too well knowing that there's 2 episodes left... But... wow. He's back. That Leskinen scene where Moeka showed up and Braun got Kagari... I really didn't expect that. And after time-travelling countless times from 2036... I'm convinced Hououin Kyouma is mad for real this time. |
| I was...... disappointed. Generally, the 2nd half of the series has been disappointing, because the series started strong and then it started sinking, tried to fit the new characters in and just mess the story up here and there and it's rushing as hell the past couple of episodes. There was no steady build-up this time, because we already knew the stakes and it was very meh. Which brings us to this episode. I know we ALL wanted to get our Kyouma back, but ehh, I found the whole reappearance so cringy to be honest, like it was a blatant fanservice for the fans and unrealistic to the environment it was in. Well, in his defense, he seemed like he was forcing it at times which shows that it's awkward. However, after seeing him for years wasting away trying to be serious because of time leaping trauma, he just gets over it and is completely fine with 3k time leaps, no complaints about anything, his spirit is as high as it gets, he has the mind to organise a new plan, be cheery even and basically forget that whole phase in a matter of seconds. Why was he SO down in the first place if he got back up again so fast. I get that he went through a lot before taking the decision to return to his previous self, but because you take a decision it doesn't mean everything becomes so easy right away. Either way, lots of cringe (although I smiled partly), because it was just too obvious and the plan kind of sucked. He could have been a bit faster imo and not leave them just less than 30 minutes earlier (although I guess the world is still against it). Or actually go himself into the past since that was plan. Mayuri was a last resort, Suzuha wanted to Okabe to go back, right? And generally, the pacing kind of sucks. I miss the first series, it flowed easier. |
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| I like the turn in the plot in the last 3 episodes! |
Maffy said: Or actually go himself into the past since that was plan. Mayuri was a last resort, Suzuha wanted to Okabe to go back, right? And generally, the pacing kind of sucks. I miss the first series, it flowed easier. When 0 ends, you will know why is it important for Mayuri to go back |
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| Well, that third missile was unexpected. |
| "If you truly wish to understand, you must have the contrast, not blind adherence to a single ideal." - Kreia |
| he's back bitches. The mad scientist! :D |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| Terrible episode. Time Leaping 3000 times after being mentally broken is bs... Revival scene was decent, but Daru punching him made no sense. It should've been like the novel. What ticks me off the most in this episode is how this breaks the main rule of Steins;Gate: the convergence. How did Moeka killed the guys in the rooftop? Hell if I know... She hadn't even killed anyone in her life before that. And what about Kagari? Because of convergence, she should have been dead, but that's not what happens. Same goes for Reyes. Edit: And Okabe looks like an idiot being surprised by the time machine exploding. He even said in the SAME EPISODE "it'll likely end the same way because of convergence." So why even try? He learned that on the first series... If you can accept or ignore all that, you might enjoy it... |
Kaidu-Sep 17, 2018 12:53 AM
EdHaku said: Revival scene was decent, but Daru punching him made no sense. It should've been like the novel. In the novel it was the same, except Suzuha punched him. Okabe deserved that punch. EdHaku said: What ticks me off the most in this episode is how this breaks the main rule of Steins;Gate: the convergence. Not at all! EdHaku said: How did Moeka killed the guys in the rooftop? Hell if I know... She hadn't even killed anyone in her life before that. xZabuzax said: Also Moeka going Rambo and killing those soldiers like Kagari did was also absurd, hell, not even Suzuha was able to do it and she's a better fighter than Moeka so how did Moeka manage to do it in the first place with absolutely no training at all? She is a Rounder in Beta Attractor Field, too. Both in the VN and anime this was clarified. So she is trained, and there is a possibility that this wasn't her first kill. EdHaku said: And what about Kagari? Because of convergence, she should have been dead, but that's not what happens. Same goes for Reyes. xZabuzax said: I liked this episode but you do have a point, this episode fucked up the rule about convergence. Kagari and Dr. Reyes should be dead by now, they better die from a heart attack next episode. It's a huge misbelief that someone's death is inevitable in the same Attractor Field. Remember to Feyris's father in Alpha in the original series. If someone dies, it doesn't instantly mean that it's a convergence. Also, Kagari was restrained which from a certain point of view equal to her death (deceive the world). If Moeka died in the explosion that's also respect convergence from a certain point of view (a girl in a motorcycle suit dies in the rooftop... Deceive the world, again) DECEIVE THE WORLD - that's the main point of Steins;Gate 0 EdHaku said: Edit: And Okabe looks like an idiot being surprised by the time machine exploding. He even said in the SAME EPISODE "it'll likely end the same way because of convergence." So why even try? He learned that on the first series... If you read the VN (looks like you did), you should know the answer to this question. Also, in episode 20, he learned something else too (Deceive the world, remember?) |
SciADV_ManiacSep 17, 2018 3:13 AM
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| El Psy Congrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
SheevPalpatine said: In the novel it was the same, except Suzuha punched him. Okabe deserved that punch. He did... But it made sense for Suzuha, the girl who was born in a war, saw her mother get killed right in front of her, and went to the past for nothing, to be angry enough to punch him. She's fit, so it would hurt like hell too. You could say that because Daru was her father he understood her feelings, but I can't see it that way. I only see Daru doing it because the way they handled the plot makes it impossible for Suzuha to be the one. And the "it should have been like the novel" I mean like the Promised Renascimento ending. SheevPalpatine said: She is a Rounder in Beta Attractor Field, too. Both in the VN and anime this was clarified. So she is trained, and there is a possibility that this wasn't her first kill. She's trained, but doesn't have even half the stamina Kagari has. We know this from the original S;G when she and Okabe fought. She was strong, but Okabe was stronger. Not only that, but she doesn't even have a scratch. And it was her first kill. Her first big mission was to kill Mayuri in the original S;G, and assuming nothing too big SERN-related happened, it means she hasn't killed anyone. We can't be sure, but I certainly believe she didn't. SheevPalpatine said: It's a huge misbelief that someone's death is inevitable in the same Attractor Field. Remember to Feyris's father in Alpha in the original series. If someone dies, it doesn't instantly mean that it's a convergence. Also, Kagari was restrained which from a certain point of view equal to her death (deceive the world). If Moeka died in the explosion that's also respect convergence from a certain point of view (a girl in a motorcycle suit dies in the rooftop... Deceive the world, again) A death isn't determined by an Attractor Field, but by the world-line. That was the case with Faris's father. Since Okabe only time-leaped, the world-line didn't change. Kagari being restrained isn't tied to her being death. She blatantly died a gory death before, and Okabe said she was "restrained." You could be right about the condition being "a girl in a motercycle suit dies", and we never know what happened to Kagari on episode 19. I guess we will find out on the next episode if Moeka lives or dies. SheevPalpatine said: If you read the VN (looks like you did), you should know the answer to this question. Also, in episode 20, he learned something else too (Deceive the world, remember?) I don't get it. He did tried it again on the VN because he didn't knew if it was unavoidable (and the VN has plenty of flaws too) , but here he already tried it twice, so he knows the outcome. He even tried to change things. He's smarter than this. |
EdHaku said: Since Okabe only time-leaped, the world-line didn't change. And this is a TOTALLY WRONG statement. EVERY time manipulation changes the worldline. If someone leaps back in time, it creates a new worldline from the point of his arrival. This rule was stated in the original series and in the VN too Also stated that time leap changes the worldline only a bit. But Okabe did 3000 time leaps. 3000 x "a bit" = a significant change. So no, if Kagari and Reyes don't die, that won't broke the convergence, because their death aren't a convergence. Like Feyris's father. And convergence is tied to the attractor field, not to the worldline. Check the rules again in the original, because looks like you forget them. |
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SheevPalpatine said: EdHaku said: Since Okabe only time-leaped, the world-line didn't change. And this is a TOTALLY WRONG statement. EVERY time manipulation changes the worldline. If someone leaps back in time, it creates a new worldline from the point of his arrival. This rule was stated in the original series and in the VN too Also stated that time leap changes the worldline only a bit. But Okabe did 3000 time leaps. 3000 x "a bit" = a significant change. So no, if Kagari and Reyes don't die, that won't broke the convergence, because their death aren't a convergence. Like Feyris's father. And convergence is tied to the attractor field, not to the worldline. Check the rules again in the original, because looks like you forget them. In fact, every little action changes de worldline a bit, but are so little that nothing major changes. But time-leap changes nothing because you are only sending your current memories to the past. It's like watching a movie and half-way across it rewinding it to the beginning. The movie doesn't change. If all your actions were the same, everything would end up happening the same way (that's what happens in the novel the first time you leap and think it's all a dream). I don't remember it being said that time leap changes the worldline a bit. Can you tell me when it was? And it does change the future a bit, but it can't change the past. It would make no sense to. I'm re-watching the original for the third time and I don't remember that at all. |
EdHaku said: SheevPalpatine said: And this is a TOTALLY WRONG statement. EVERY time manipulation changes the worldline. If someone leaps back in time, it creates a new worldline from the point of his arrival. This rule was stated in the original series and in the VN too Also stated that time leap changes the worldline only a bit. But Okabe did 3000 time leaps. 3000 x "a bit" = a significant change. So no, if Kagari and Reyes don't die, that won't broke the convergence, because their death aren't a convergence. Like Feyris's father. And convergence is tied to the attractor field, not to the worldline. Check the rules again in the original, because looks like you forget them. But time-leap changes nothing because you are only sending your current memories to the past. I don't remember it being said that time leap changes the worldline a bit. Can you tell me when it was? And it does change the future a bit, but it can't change the past. It would make no sense to. I'm re-watching the original for the third time and I don't remember that at all. Wrong again. Time leap could change a lot of things. Remember when Okabe time leaped to save Mayuri? He knew that the Rounders will attack, so he tried to escape. But Mayuri died hitting by a train. She died in a TOTALLY different way than before. This is the proof, that time leaping changes the worldline. If it wouldn't change, all events would be the same. But they are not the same, because time leap creates a new worldline. Only the Attractor Field's convergence events remain the same. The rules of time leaping was more clear in the VN. Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly when it was said, but I remember it was said by Suzuha. I'll try to find it. Btw. check this reddit post, it contains every single rule about time travel in Steins;Gate: https://www.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/8nioce/an_attempt_at_a_complete_theory_of_steinsgate/ |
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SheevPalpatine said: Wrong again. Time leap could change a lot of things. Remember when Okabe time leaped to save Mayuri? He knew that the Rounders will attack, so he tried to escape. But Mayuri died hitting by a train. She died in a TOTALLY different way than before. This is the proof, that time leaping changes the worldline. I was talking more about the event itself rather than how it happened, since we were talking about how someone wearing a motorcycle suit should have died. Of course your actions do change the worldline, and I never said they didn't... I said they don't change the past. Your actions from that point on will change the future, not the act of time-leaping. I think you're trying to say that the little things Okabe did while time-leaping 3000 times changed the worldline a bit every single time, so he was always time-leaping into a different worldline than before. While that is technically true, the past still remains untouched and can't be changed, so when he timeleaps again, he will go to that unchanged past, where the very slight worldline change (divergence point) hasn't happened yet. And again, even if it's 3000 times, it's still too little of a divergence. And damn, that's a big post. |
| The only convergence event we know of is that the time machine should explode on the rooftop, also noted by Leskinen. Okabe's earlier wake ups also change the future, which could in theory change the past as well. |
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EdHaku said: I was talking more about the event itself rather than how it happened, since we were talking about how someone wearing a motorcycle suit should have died. Of course your actions do change the worldline, and I never said they didn't... I said they don't change the past. Your actions from that point on will change the future, not the act of time-leaping. I think you're trying to say that the little things Okabe did while time-leaping 3000 times changed the worldline a bit every single time, so he was always time-leaping into a different worldline than before. While that is technically true, the past still remains untouched and can't be changed, so when he timeleaps again, he will go to that unchanged past, where the very slight worldline change (divergence point) hasn't happened yet. And again, even if it's 3000 times, it's still too little of a divergence. And damn, that's a big post. No... you don't want to understand what I would like to say. Time leap changes the worldline. That's a rule. For example. We are on Worldline-1 on Wednesday. Tuesday someone died. I use the time leap machine to leap back 48 hours. I will arrive on Worldline-2 on Monday. But the events before Monday on WL-1 and WL-2 are the same, I can only change the events which happened on WL-1 adter my arrival point. If that person's death is not a convergence in the attractor field we are in, then I could save him on WL-2. If that person's death is a convergence in the attractor field we are in, then I couldn't save him, no matter what I try to do. But this won't means that WL-2 is the same as WL-1. It's still different, because not everything happens exactly the same. So. If Kagari's and Reyes's death are not convergence is Beta, then they don't have to die (also Moeka doesn't have to die instead of one of them) About the time machine's explosion |
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SheevPalpatine said: EdHaku said: I was talking more about the event itself rather than how it happened, since we were talking about how someone wearing a motorcycle suit should have died. Of course your actions do change the worldline, and I never said they didn't... I said they don't change the past. Your actions from that point on will change the future, not the act of time-leaping. I think you're trying to say that the little things Okabe did while time-leaping 3000 times changed the worldline a bit every single time, so he was always time-leaping into a different worldline than before. While that is technically true, the past still remains untouched and can't be changed, so when he timeleaps again, he will go to that unchanged past, where the very slight worldline change (divergence point) hasn't happened yet. And again, even if it's 3000 times, it's still too little of a divergence. And damn, that's a big post. No... you don't want to understand what I would like to say. Time leap changes the worldline. That's a rule. For example. We are on Worldline-1 on Wednesday. Tuesday someone died. I use the time leap machine to leap back 48 hours. I will arrive on Worldline-2 on Monday. But the events before Monday on WL-1 and WL-2 are the same, I can only change the events which happened on WL-1 adter my arrival point. If that person's death is not a convergence in the attractor field we are in, then I could save him on WL-2. If that person's death is a convergence in the attractor field we are in, then I couldn't save him, no matter what I try to do. But this won't means that WL-2 is the same as WL-1. It's still different, because not everything happens exactly the same. Time leaping alone would change the worldline very little to the point where it would make no difference at all in someone's death. It's such a little change that you can say the worldline didn't change at all (like how they send D-Mails that were so futile they didn't even activate Okabe's Reading Steiner). And what you said kinda proves my point. Time-leaping 3000 times wouldn't change anything in the past, so Kagari, Reyes or even Moeka dying would not be affected by that. It's his third attempt tho. In fact, we don't know how many times he tried because we never know when the time-leap machine malfunctioned (and they never explained why). He did sent them earlier in the second attempt, so he should've realized something like that. |
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