Fate/stay night Movie: Heaven's Feel - I. Presage Flower Episode 1 Discussion

Killing said:
Seen it. I think it is okay for me. Visual is great. Fight scenes were cool for flashy sfx and sound (especially for lancer vs assassin), but I think it has mediocre choreography and rhythms for fight scenes. The pacing is really my problem. The prologue is slow and a little bit boring for me, but the latter part feel really rush like copy-paste and seem confusing though I've seen fate zero and ubw. I think it could be better if UFO can fix the pacing problems. I can't feel the mysterious atmosphere like I feel in KnK. I still think manga has better pacing and build up for mysterious in HF and the artwork is really good too.
7/10

p.s For me F/Z is still the best fate adaptation to anime. It has really good pacing and the build up to climax is great.

Shayon said:

He's not going to eat them because most of her screen time has been cut.

I-LOVE-FRIDGE697 said:
Ummmm what ending of this movie (or route) is gonna get adopt is it the bad,normal or true end?
(Just to make sure)

SpongySquish said:

The subs i was watching where also really bad. Almost every time Sakura said "Senpai" it was spelled "Sempalf".

deg said:


lol you must be watching from streaming sites

just download from torrents, i have watch this fansubs release of the movie [N4O] Fate Stay Night - Heaven's Feel I.presage flower [BD 720p Hi444PP AAC][90491747]

Darken_BR said:
What can I say? The beginning was absolutely perfect: amazing OST, great scenario, characterization right on the spot... But then when the movie reaches "the day" that everything changes, and I don't fucking know why, but they've SKIPPED all the important stuff (Shirou summoning Saber, Saber vs Lancer, Saber vs Archer, Shirou finding out that Rin is a Master, etc.) and went straight into the church scene. How the fuck a newbie into the Fate series is supposed to know what is going on like this? And even the veterans should want to see that important stuff they've cut out. The pacing, that was so good at the beginning, starts to become messed up out of nowhere. From them, the movie becomes a rollercoaster: some awesome and excited scenes, followed by boring ones, and then goes on until the end basically. I'm giving it 7/10, that I think it's fair enough.

Hatsuyuki said:


It's already animated in UBW, you're probably supposed to already have finished UBW when watching this movie. Think of it this way: it's kinda the same thing as MCU, if you go to Infinity War without watching the other movies you kinda won't get shit.

CodeBlazeFate said:
This is literally "what the fuck" the movie. I genuinely don't know how to feel, and even after 30 minutes, my thoughts are just impossible to really collect. I'll probably need to see it a second time. I know I don't love this movie or dislike it at all, but it is certainly ominous, punishing, and bewildering.

CodeBlazeFate said:
This is literally "what the fuck" the movie. I genuinely don't know how to feel, and even after 30 minutes, my thoughts are just impossible to really collect. I'll probably need to see it a second time. I know I don't love this movie or dislike it at all, but it is certainly ominous, punishing, and bewildering.

Sanic_de_Hegehog said:


I believe that's 'End of Evangelion' you're describing.

Playcool said:

What is in store is way more fucked up than this lsoft introduction though.
KnK is light compared to how heavy Heaven's Feel gets, thankfully it has an amazing ending that really leaves fullfiled. (that doesnt mean it is an happy ending though, just means it is outstanding~~)

Heaven's Feel in a way is VERY similiar to Lucia's Rewrite route (girl on my forum avatar), if any of the small amount of people that read it sees this, you should expect similiar destrutive vibes but a tad more insane in despair and fuckery.

CodeBlazeFate said:
End of Evangelion was way more comprehensible tho lol

Sanic_de_Hegehog said:


That's very, very debatable. I personally understood most of what was going on in this film, without any VN knowledge. I do think they had some disorienting transitions between fights, but it was still relatively easy to know what's going on.

War starts like in UBW
-> Archer is injured from the opening montage and Rin uses a command seal to make him withdraw (I will admit this was poorly communicated) so Saber fights Berserker alone
-> Shirou is healed by Avalon after his guts fall out
-> They encounter Rider and Shinji on the way home
-> Rider 'dies' and Zouken gets pissed at Shinji for failing so hard
-> Zouken uses Caster's false Assassin as a catalyst to summon the true Assassin
-> True Assassin kills Caster and her master
-> Shirou gets worried Zouken and Shinji might drag Sakura into the conflict so Rin advises he keep Sakura safe at his place
-> True Assassin lures Lancer to the mysterious entity and Lancer is 'devoured'
-> Zouken fights Rin and Shirou using Caster's corpse and the 'shadow' attacks them, swallowing Caster
-> Shirou learns that the shadow is responsible for comatose incidents, so decides to go after it while Rin attacks the Matou residence
-> True Assassin lures Saber into the shadow, but she is devoured without being killed first (unlike Lancer, Caster and fake Assassin (implied) who died before being devoured)
-> True Assassin is about to kill Shirou, so Rider saves him for reasons to be explained in the next movie (how she survived will most likely be explained later as well)

CodeBlazeFate said:
Yea, those are the easy ones. Not to mention there is some intentional mystery hidden in plain sight, making this more unnerving and more difficult to process. I do have some questions that I'm not sure will get answered:

Sanic_de_Hegehog said:


I am 100% sure the first two points will be explained in movie 2. I'm pretty sure they are the exact same striped being. Why Zouken was worried is a mystery that I'm sure will be explained when they actually get around to telling us what that thing is in the next two films sometime. It appears Assassin and Zouken are the only characters who really know what it is so far. This is just speculation, but perhaps Assassin was luring other servants into it without Zouken's knowledge, or maybe Zouken didn't really know what it was until he saw it himself?

Shayon said:

Not really, Kirei says that Assassin class servants don't have high combat skills, and that it would be impossible for Lancer to lose in a normal battle.

You can see Assassin taking advantage of the shadow in his fight against Lancer and Saber, luring them into a trap and then using his Noble Phantasm when they have to deal with two opponents all of a sudden.

For Caster, he had taken her master as a hostage and was super close to her. and for Kojiro, he came out of his corpse, so that wasn't even a fight.

She didn't die after the fight with Shinji, but was low on magical energy and went into spirit form.

CodeBlazeFate said:
Apparently some say that the answers to these first two were cut, and even then, they're certainly more vital to know now than pretty much anything else related to this mystery that fucks up this grail war.

Sanic_de_Hegehog said:


They were cut, correct. However, they will need to explain it in the second movie since the Rider scene happened at the VERY end of the first movie. As for how Rider survived and the book burning (you mentioned in other post) these were also cut, but will be re-added in the second movie. They didn't explain how Rider survived because they wanted more of a cliffhanger ending to the first movie, plus to save time so that they could end the first movie after Saber was devoured, as that the ideal stopping point from what I've herd.

Sanic_de_Hegehog said:


That's very, very debatable. I personally understood most of what was going on in this film, without any VN knowledge. I do think they had some disorienting transitions between fights, but it was still relatively easy to know what's going on.

War starts like in UBW
-> Archer is injured from the opening montage and Rin uses a command seal to make him withdraw (I will admit this was poorly communicated) so Saber fights Berserker alone
-> Shirou is healed by Avalon after his guts fall out
-> They encounter Rider and Shinji on the way home
-> Rider 'dies' and Zouken gets pissed at Shinji for failing so hard
-> Zouken uses Caster's false Assassin as a catalyst to summon the true Assassin
-> True Assassin kills Caster and her master
-> Shirou gets worried Zouken and Shinji might drag Sakura into the conflict so Rin advises he keep Sakura safe at his place
-> True Assassin lures Lancer to the mysterious entity and Lancer is 'devoured'
-> Zouken fights Rin and Shirou using Caster's corpse and the 'shadow' attacks them, swallowing Caster
-> Shirou learns that the shadow is responsible for comatose incidents, so decides to go after it while Rin attacks the Matou residence
-> True Assassin lures Saber into the shadow, but she is devoured without being killed first (unlike Lancer, Caster and fake Assassin (implied) who died before being devoured)
-> True Assassin is about to kill Shirou, so Rider saves him for reasons to be explained in the next movie (how she survived will most likely be explained later as well)

If you think this is confusing I'd like to see what you think about the 5th Kara no Kyoukai film.

CodeBlazeFate said:
That's not exactly a guarantee, especially since looking through the forums, apparently Rider survived, but if so, that was communicated awkwardly. I would hope they include these in Lost Butterfly.

ssjokg said:
The explanation for the book and Rider's "death" will be explained later. In fact this movie already set up the explanation with a certain scene, I will put the scene in the spoiler without additions from future scenes, . This is essential for both Rider's "death" and the book, which isnt a catalyst for Rider.

As for the Shadow and Zouken, Zouken knows what it is about he and Assassin dont actually cooperate with it.They cant control it.Assassin was luring everyone to it.

CodeBlazeFate said:
Alright then. I thought that moment with Shinji was just a character moment, one that would factor into him helping him out later. But then since the book wasn't a catalyst but it was used to try to get Rider back up, what is her catalyst? Yea, this film is wonderfully unnerving of a mystery, but I do feel that some less favorable questions got mixed up along the way, as easy as it is for that to happen.

Shayon said:

Not announced, but they will probably adapt the true end.

CodeBlazeFate said:

I do have some questions that I'm not sure will get answered:

CodeBlazeFate said:
Alright then. I thought that moment with Shinji was just a character moment, one that would factor into him helping him out later. But then since the book wasn't a catalyst but it was used to try to get Rider back up, what is her catalyst? Yea, this film is wonderfully unnerving of a mystery, but I do feel that some less favorable questions got mixed up along the way, as easy as it is for that to happen.

ssjokg said:

Usually catalysts dont matter in the Fate series.So far,as far as I can recall, only ones that have an impact in any story are, Artoria's Avalon, Archer's pendant, Heracle's Axe sword which is made from stone in one of his temples, True Assassin whose catalyst is Sasaki Kojirou, Cu's earrings (In Fate/hollow Ataraxia), Gilgamesh's a bit in Fate/Strange fake, Berserker's in Fate/Strange Fake...hmmm, I dont remember others for now, but yeah, Rider's catalyst isnt important at all, and if I mention it,I may spol her true name.

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Darken_BR said:

Yeah, this is the only explanation I can think of. They probably didn't have much screen time to spare, but it still feels that the movie misses some important stuff that should be there nevertheless.

Darken_BR said:
What can I say? The beginning was absolutely perfect: amazing OST, great scenario, characterization right on the spot... But then when the movie reaches "the day" that everything changes, and I don't fucking know why, but they've SKIPPED all the important stuff (Shirou summoning Saber, Saber vs Lancer, Saber vs Archer, Shirou finding out that Rin is a Master, etc.) and went straight into the church scene. How the fuck a newbie into the Fate series is supposed to know what is going on like this? And even the veterans should want to see that important stuff they've cut out. The pacing, that was so good at the beginning, starts to become messed up out of nowhere. From them, the movie becomes a rollercoaster: some awesome and excited scenes, followed by boring ones, and then goes on until the end basically. I'm giving it 7/10, that I think it's fair enough.

therealstuff said:
Well

I think sakura was the most well done thing in the movie

shirou gets most of his characterization on the previous two routes so there’s not much to comment on except that he doesn’t look as dumb
by the time you read hf you should already know shirou
hf is just an alternative conclusion for him “as a human” as nasu described it

shirou/sakura great so far
shirou/rin non-existent
shirou/kirei its like shirou doesn’t care enough to muster any “hate”

every battle that didn’t have TA in it I liked

He should focus only on projectiles or his head is off
TA touching caster was bs
The whole scene was not good why didn’t she command him with her cs instead
They shouldn’t bother trying to make him look good
Cu was made to use gae bolg and whats battle continuation
TA didn’t start screaming pathetically after saber slashed his arm instead hes looking cool
All the fights without TA were really really good
Though I would’ve preferred Archers comment on crawling zouken “i learned from experience to deal with monsters like u quickly and make sure of his death something something"

the atmosphere is perfect
I cant really expect anything from the time constraint so
for the time given i find the pacing and transitioning between events well done

sakura was the highlight of the movie
overall better than I expected
some mapo tofu/10

therealstuff said:
TA didn’t start screaming pathetically after saber slashed his arm instead hes looking cool

therealstuff said:
Though I would’ve preferred Archers comment on crawling zouken “i learned from experience to deal with monsters like u quickly and make sure of his death something something"

MightyM16 said:
Seeing some people hail this as "Tr00 Zero sequel" is hilarious. It's like they forgot that Zero is a prequel and that even in Zero, the Matou thing was a minor subplot related to Kariya compared to Saber's problems (addressed in Fate) and Kiritsugu's dilemma (addressed in UBW).

MightyM16 said:
Seeing some people hail this as "Tr00 Zero sequel" is hilarious. It's like they forgot that Zero is a prequel and that even in Zero, the Matou thing was a minor subplot related to Kariya compared to Saber's problems (addressed in Fate) and Kiritsugu's dilemma (addressed in UBW).


Also, the movie clearly expected the watcher to have AT LEAST watched UBW beforehand. That much is obvious.