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deg said:
classic confirmation of Marx argument of labor exploitation under capitalism and add class struggle and "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" too

-Placeholder- said:


You're not going to maintain much credibility if you talk about Marx is discussions about economics.

deg said:
hah Marx predictions about capitalism are mostly true today so that is all that matters

you are just those pro rich people that have the mentality of profit>people

-Placeholder- said:


Marx has been debunked extensively. And his ideology has led to tens of millions of deaths. Capitalism > Socialism.

deg said:
again his capitalism predictions are on point so he is not totally debunked

and im not advocating for socialism or its final form communism because i know that the technology for that is not here yet like full automation that will make goods very cheap to the point of being freely distributed

social democracy like the nordic model is the better idea for the mean time

-Placeholder- said:


Even a broken clock is right twice a day. And Scandinavian socialism is a horrible model, no one wants to pay 70% tax which then goes to immigrants' welfare. Laissez-faire Capitalism is the most fair economic policy because people get the money they earn, rather than having to only getting to keep 1/4 of they work for.

deg said:
lol laissez-faire capitalism have a lot of problems lets see
- addiction problems like drugs; fake news, fraud/scam, propaganda and other lawlessness will increase
- labor exploitation - unfair treatment of workers; no rights for workers; exploitation of labor
- price fixing or cartel problems
- the richest can buy the law/justice

thats a complete cyberpunk dystopia

-Placeholder- said:


Workers have rights, they're the same rights that everyone has. Price fixing and cartels don't exist on the free market. And in our current society the rich can already buy favours from corrupt politicians. This wouldn't exist if the government didn't have such strong control over society.

deg said:
wrong there is no government to uphold the workers rights and also prepare for more cheap wages and longer working hours
cartels will form in order to fuck up more the consumers and increase all their overall profit, its happening now with a government so it will be worse when there is no government at all

-Hastur- said:
from what I've heard, it's some pretty underwhelming shit.

-Placeholder- said:


Workers and employers have a right to enter into any contract they choose. It's not your right to tell either party what deals two consenting individuals can make. Wages and working hours are determined by the market, and trying to arbitrarily manipulate them does nothing but hurt the economy. Cartels don't form in the free market because any time it did, there would be a profit incentive for any new business to enter the marketplace and undercut the cartel. The problem with the economy now is that the established corporations can lobby the government to create new regulations which make it impossible for new businesses to enter the market. This wouldn't happen in a free market.

deg said:


again his capitalism predictions are on point so he is not totally debunked

and im not advocating for socialism or its final form communism because i know that the technology for that is not here yet like full automation that will make goods very cheap to the point of being freely distributed

social democracy like the nordic model is the better idea for the mean time

Fijure said:


I feel like I should clarify that in the Nordic model (at least here in Denmark) there is actually no minimum wage. Its 0 dollars per hour, it doesn't exist. You can't get paid less than around 15 USD an hour for most legal work though, because its all negotiated by strong unions, and the unions are strong because basically all employees in the country are members. The negotiate the wages, but with the understanding that the wages can only increase if productivity increases accordingly, otherwise the business model is unsustainable. The result is that most work here is insanely productive, much more productive than most other work in the world, thanks to efficient use of technology and and a high skill level, hence the high wages are possible. An artificial government minimum wage doesn't account for this factor, and therefore the model becomes unsustainable.

So @-Placeholder- is actually kind of right this time, though not necessarily for the reason he believes. Also, the Nordic model is most certainly not considered horrible by the people living under it, nor for the Western, high skilled immigrants working in the Nordic countries. it could use some makeovers sure, but the broad population is satisfied, and nobody seriously wants to get rid of the model in the countries. I'll believe it wouldn't work outside the Nordics though.

deg said:


well at least its not complete labor exploitation there because there are worker unions to negotiate for at least a living wage

Fijure said:


True, but the point is that stuff doesn't appear out of thin air. It needs a culture where workers are actually stable union members, and there is assurances that the companies can't use violence against the workers. They need to have negotiating leverage, otherwise it won't work out. Once every four years Denmark is threatened with society going to a complete standstill because of strike and lockout because of these negiotiations lmao.

Fijure said:
I feel like I should clarify that in the Nordic model (at least here in Denmark) there is actually no minimum wage. Its 0 dollars per hour, it doesn't exist. You can't get paid less than around 15 USD an hour for most legal work though, because its all negotiated by strong unions, and the unions are strong because basically all employees in the country are members. The negotiate the wages, but with the understanding that the wages can only increase if productivity increases accordingly, otherwise the business model is unsustainable. The result is that most work here is insanely productive, much more productive than most other work in the world, thanks to efficient use of technology and and a high skill level, hence the high wages are possible. An artificial government minimum wage doesn't account for this factor, and therefore the model becomes unsustainable.

So @-Placeholder- is actually kind of right this time, though not necessarily for the reason he believes. Also, the Nordic model is most certainly not considered horrible by the people living under it, nor for the Western, high skilled immigrants working in the Nordic countries. it could use some makeovers sure, but the broad population is satisfied, and nobody seriously wants to get rid of the model in the countries. I'll believe it wouldn't work outside the Nordics though.

-Hastur- said:
obviously one is better than the other, but I don't need sex to be happy at the end of the day.

hazarddex said:
Why the hell is this now about capitalism vs comunism?

hazarddex said:
Why the hell is this now about capitalism vs comunism?

-Hastur- said:
comprende?

hazarddex said:
Why the hell is this now about capitalism vs comunism?