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Because most of them portray toxic relationships framing them as romantic.

Jun 23, 2019 9:02 AM

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juschenfe said:
heterosexuality is disgusting and exists only for people to reproduce. homsexuality is pure, innocent and more aesthetically pleasing

how is getting your butthole fucked innocent

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Jun 23, 2019 9:07 AM

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juschenfe said:

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Ey what about yuri? Is that not the most innocent?

that's also homosexuality. but don't forget how often people (males) sexualize lesbians and make them gross like in their fantasies

Ey Women do that as well with Homosexual Male characters.

BlancaXLobo said:
Because most of them portray toxic relationships framing them as romantic.

You mean the Uke and seme relationships right?

Jun 23, 2019 9:09 AM

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I'm bi guy and I've read/watched my fair amount of yaoi. I have strong dislike for it since it represents gay relationships as unhealthy and unrealistic most of the time, some even go as far to have romanticized sexual abuse and rape in it. And it really pisses me off when I see straight girls calling it "HOT"

Jun 23, 2019 9:12 AM

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BlancaXLobo said:
Because most of them portray toxic relationships framing them as romantic.

Well, wouldn't you say that can also apply to heterosexual fictional couples?
If you don't/can't explain it further then that's not really an argument.

Jun 23, 2019 9:12 AM

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Esquirtit said:

juschenfe said:
heterosexuality is disgusting and exists only for people to reproduce. homsexuality is pure, innocent and more aesthetically pleasing

how is getting your butthole fucked innocent

i love how your homophobic ass had to bring anal penetration into discussion. the difference between homosexuals and breeders is that gay people's existence is not limited to reproduction. it's pure love. how they express it is not your business cishet

Jun 23, 2019 9:26 AM

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Bourmegar said:

BlancaXLobo said:
Because most of them portray toxic relationships framing them as romantic.

You mean the Uke and seme relationships right?

Yes. Most of yaoi are Seme meets Uke. Seme Rapes Uke. Uke fell in love with Seme. Who raped him.

Jun 23, 2019 9:28 AM

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AyumiVk said:

BlancaXLobo said:
Because most of them portray toxic relationships framing them as romantic.

Well, wouldn't you say that can also apply to heterosexual fictional couples?
If you don't/can't explain it further then that's not really an argument.

Most of them are Uke meets Seme, Sem rapes Uke, Uke falls in love with Seme. In that particular order.

Jun 23, 2019 9:39 AM

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BlancaXLobo said:

Bourmegar said:

You mean the Uke and seme relationships right?

Yes. Most of yaoi are Seme meets Uke. Seme Rapes Uke. Uke fell in love with Seme. Who raped him.

Funny how that doesn't happen that often with Yuri.
Though there is the predatory lesbian trope.

But Uke and Seme isn't about rape but more about the one forcing himself on the other.

Jun 23, 2019 9:42 AM

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BlancaXLobo said:

Bourmegar said:

You mean the Uke and seme relationships right?

Yes. Most of yaoi are Seme meets Uke. Seme Rapes Uke. Uke fell in love with Seme. Who raped him.

i don't think toxic relationships are bad. if manga is well written, pretty, not cringy or kitschy then it's fine. healthy relationships are usually boring.

Jun 23, 2019 9:42 AM

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Bourmegar said:

BlancaXLobo said:

Yes. Most of yaoi are Seme meets Uke. Seme Rapes Uke. Uke fell in love with Seme. Who raped him.

Funny how that doesn't happen that often with Yuri.
Though there is the predatory lesbian trope.

But Uke and Seme isn't about rape but more about the one forcing himself on the other.

That's still rape. And i don't wanto to be that guy, but i think people tend to like more a couple when one partner doesn't force himself in the other. Or maybe it's just me.

Jun 23, 2019 9:45 AM

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juschenfe said:

BlancaXLobo said:

Yes. Most of yaoi are Seme meets Uke. Seme Rapes Uke. Uke fell in love with Seme. Who raped him.

i don't think toxic relationships are bad. if manga is well written, pretty, not cringy or kitschy then it's fine. healthy relationships are usually boring.

My problem is not the relationship being portrayed, it's how it's being framed. I don't mind the portrayal of a toxic relationship in a drama about it, but when someone tries to sell me that as some kind of ideal...That's when my problems start.

Jun 23, 2019 9:48 AM

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BlancaXLobo said:

AyumiVk said:

Well, wouldn't you say that can also apply to heterosexual fictional couples?
If you don't/can't explain it further then that's not really an argument.

Most of them are Uke meets Seme, Sem rapes Uke, Uke falls in love with Seme. In that particular order.

Hm, that's what i thought you would say. A lot of people who dislike yaoi use that argument and i can see the point, but while there are bad apples there are also good ones.
I've read a lot of fluffy yaoi manga without that kind of toxic relationships, but i guess the genre is will always be seen in a bad light after all.

That being said, shounen ai is okay in your book then?

Jun 23, 2019 9:50 AM

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AyumiVk said:

BlancaXLobo said:

Most of them are Uke meets Seme, Sem rapes Uke, Uke falls in love with Seme. In that particular order.

Hm, that's what i thought you would say. A lot of people who dislike yaoi use that argument and i can see the point, but while there are bad apples there are also good ones.
I've read a lot of fluffy yaoi manga without that kind of toxic relationships, but i guess the genre is will always be seen in a bad light after all.

That being said, shounen ai is okay in your book then?

I believe you, but unfprtunetly most of the titles i watched flollow that template, or make it even worse. I'm cool with shonen-ai, mostly because without the sexual element writers didn't fall in the most unfortunte aspects of his naughtier brother. If you want to recomend me something go ahead, i'm always open.

Jun 23, 2019 9:52 AM

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cuz most men are afraid of their own bodies.

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Jun 23, 2019 9:52 AM

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juschenfe said:
i love how your homophobic ass had to bring anal penetration into discussion. the difference between homosexuals and breeders is that gay people's existence is not limited to reproduction. it's pure love. how they express it is not your business cishet

Could you kindly stop with this crap? Our fight is hard enough as it is, we don't need this kind of bullshit.

I mean, I know that you won't, but damn...

Jun 23, 2019 9:54 AM

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juschenfe said:

BlancaXLobo said:

Yes. Most of yaoi are Seme meets Uke. Seme Rapes Uke. Uke fell in love with Seme. Who raped him.

i don't think toxic relationships are bad. if manga is well written, pretty, not cringy or kitschy then it's fine. healthy relationships are usually boring.

I don't think you understand what a "toxic" relationship is.

Jun 23, 2019 9:55 AM

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BlancaXLobo said:

juschenfe said:

i don't think toxic relationships are bad. if manga is well written, pretty, not cringy or kitschy then it's fine. healthy relationships are usually boring.

My problem is not the relationship being portrayed, it's how it's being framed. I don't mind the portrayal of a toxic relationship in a drama about it, but when someone tries to sell me that as some kind of ideal...That's when my problems start.

if it's not ugly and immature then why not

Jun 23, 2019 9:55 AM

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Esquirtit said:

how is getting your butthole fucked innocent

i love how your homophobic ass had to bring anal penetration into discussion. the difference between homosexuals and breeders is that gay people's existence is not limited to reproduction. it's pure love. how they express it is not your business cishet

that's funny my neighbours are two lesbians and one of them got sperm injected in her pussy from a sperm donor

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Techon6002 said:

juschenfe said:

i don't think toxic relationships are bad. if manga is well written, pretty, not cringy or kitschy then it's fine. healthy relationships are usually boring.

I don't think you understand what a "toxic" relationship is.

if that's so please educate me. i thought i got that right

Jun 23, 2019 10:04 AM

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Esquirtit said:

juschenfe said:

i love how your homophobic ass had to bring anal penetration into discussion. the difference between homosexuals and breeders is that gay people's existence is not limited to reproduction. it's pure love. how they express it is not your business cishet

that's funny my neighbours are two lesbians and one of them got sperm injected in her pussy from a sperm donor

her girlfriend didn't impregnate her. it's as if she had heterosexual sex. what's your argument? she clearly needed some male to get pregnant

Jun 23, 2019 10:09 AM

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cursed_universe said:
I'm bi guy and I've read/watched my fair amount of yaoi. I have strong dislike for it since it represents gay relationships as unhealthy and unrealistic most of the time, some even go as far to have romanticized sexual abuse and rape in it. And it really pisses me off when I see straight girls calling it "HOT"

Have you thought that you are just not the target audience? Most of them are indeed written for the girls(or some men, if they're into that) to read something they find exciting/hot. They're not meant to 'represent' real gay couples, and they don't have to. It's a fictional relationship with fictional characters, made for entertainment not some silly education.
People love seeing this kind of dynamic and it's been part of fictional romance for ages, not just in anime and not just about homosexual relationships either.
Stories the like of 50 shades of gray do so well for a reason.

Fine to dislike these, I personally really dislike them as well, but I just don't believe they're meant to represent anything and as such are ok to be. I don't care if people find it hot, let them.

Jun 23, 2019 10:10 AM

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Some people just aren't interested in watching certain things. There's not always some deeper reasoning behind it. Yeah a lot of people avoid yaoi for homophobic reasons, but not everyone does. For me I'm simply just not into the romance genre.

Jun 23, 2019 10:12 AM

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juschenfe said:

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that's funny my neighbours are two lesbians and one of them got sperm injected in her pussy from a sperm donor

her girlfriend didn't impregnate her. it's as if she had heterosexual sex. what's your argument? she clearly needed some male to get pregnant

isn't it obvious? they're filthy breeders as well. get on my asexual level you pussy puncher. you'll never reach pure innocence pretentious dildo muncher

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Jun 23, 2019 10:19 AM

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Esquirtit said:

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her girlfriend didn't impregnate her. it's as if she had heterosexual sex. what's your argument? she clearly needed some male to get pregnant

isn't it obvious? they're filthy breeders as well. get on my asexual level you pussy puncher. you'll never reach pure innocence pretentious dildo muncher

they? only one of them got pregnant. because of your language i refuse further discussion. i think your lack of ability to have sex with other people is your problem. hope you'll solve it someday

Jun 23, 2019 10:24 AM

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BlancaXLobo said:

AyumiVk said:

Hm, that's what i thought you would say. A lot of people who dislike yaoi use that argument and i can see the point, but while there are bad apples there are also good ones.
I've read a lot of fluffy yaoi manga without that kind of toxic relationships, but i guess the genre is will always be seen in a bad light after all.

That being said, shounen ai is okay in your book then?

I believe you, but unfprtunetly most of the titles i watched flollow that template, or make it even worse. I'm cool with shonen-ai, mostly because without the sexual element writers didn't fall in the most unfortunte aspects of his naughtier brother. If you want to recomend me something go ahead, i'm always open.

That's a shame ..well, took me a while to remember some since my list is outdated but these are all nice in my opinion:

Jun 23, 2019 10:31 AM

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It's just preferences. Heterosexual relationships are what one what consider the norm, so people are naturally more comfortable with them. I'm not interested in trying new things, so I'd probably never touch a yaoi anime.

Jun 23, 2019 10:41 AM

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juschenfe said:

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isn't it obvious? they're filthy breeders as well. get on my asexual level you pussy puncher. you'll never reach pure innocence pretentious dildo muncher

they? only one of them got pregnant. because of your language i refuse further discussion. i think your lack of ability to have sex with other people is your problem. hope you'll solve it someday

They are a couple the other one is still involved in her pregnancy. I wasn't interested in a discussion anyway just here to laugh at homosexuals and heterosexuals

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Jun 23, 2019 10:51 AM

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juschenfe said:

Esquirtit said:

how is getting your butthole fucked innocent

i love how your homophobic ass had to bring anal penetration into discussion. the difference between homosexuals and breeders is that gay people's existence is not limited to reproduction. it's pure love. how they express it is not your business cishet

Calling heterosexuality disgusting makes you heterophobic. Sexuality doesn't necessarily include love, and absence of the will of reproduction doesn't make it pure.

His/her statement only stated anal sex. It's part of sexuality so bringing it into discussion shouldn't have been considered unwarranted. Also if you called him/her homophobic based on that one line than you're being presumptuous for the sake of labeling him/her with a derogatory term.

Difference between hetero and homosexuals is that heterosexuals can reproduce using their sexuality while also being capable to love while homosexuals aren't capable to reproduce using their sexuality. Doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other though.

Jun 23, 2019 10:55 AM

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trenchantbaka said:

juschenfe said:

i love how your homophobic ass had to bring anal penetration into discussion. the difference between homosexuals and breeders is that gay people's existence is not limited to reproduction. it's pure love. how they express it is not your business cishet

Calling heterosexuality disgusting makes you heterophobic. Sexuality doesn't necessarily include love, and absence of the will of reproduction doesn't make it pure.

His/her statement only stated anal sex. It's part of sexuality so bringing it into discussion shouldn't have been considered unwarranted. Also if you called him/her homophobic based on that one line than you're being presumptuous for the sake of labeling him/her with a derogatory term.

Difference between hetero and homosexuals is that heterosexuals can reproduce using their sexuality while also being capable to love while homosexuals aren't capable to reproduce using their sexuality. Doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other though.

yeah im really heterophobic. im the most heterophobic person you'll ever meet. next

Jun 23, 2019 3:01 PM

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The only Yaoi/Shounen-ai/BL/Homosexuality-related stories I enjoyed are No.6, Banana Fish, Shimanami Tasogare, Seven Days, Koimonogatari and Hidamari ga Kikoeru. Because they were clean and pure, romantic and good in and on themselves. The rest I've read, especially the mainstream ones, were filled with rape, sexual assault, glorification and romatization of the aforementioned along with abusive relationships. Flat characters that were annoying and tropey. A plethore of clichés and many other issues. This genre deserves every fraction of hate it gets, because just like ecchi/harem/hentai/etc. is nothing but tasteless pornography. And stuff like Citrus and Netsutou TRap give yuri a bad reputation.

Jun 23, 2019 3:13 PM

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Nah. Everything's ok. There are only homophobics (latent gay) who hate this.
I am a straight guy but I do accept and like these things sometimes, and I'd say that the biggest problem of all these yaoi/yuri/shoujo-ai/shounen-ai is that they all are extremely similar and extremely cliched. Same generic bishounen faces, same dialogues, same situations. You can't simply distinguish one title from another. Although there are some interesting things and it's still ok if you take it in small portions.
P.S. This topic has been started like 4 years ago lol

Jun 23, 2019 9:08 PM

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I definitely DON'T hate yaoi. I usually read it but I tend it enjoy it most of the time because of the story. I love how the characters can help each other grow and solve their problems. On the other hand though, I can see why some people might not like yaoi. Some tropes in yaoi are just gross. For example, there's this thing where rape is used as a way to show how much one character loves another. That right there makes me stop reading or watching a yaoi. Not all of them have that and I'm glad.

Overall though, I wish some people were more comfortable with yaoi. Recently, I found out that some people actually avoid Banana Fish because they think it's a yaoi. Like, what...? People are missing out on a great action packed and emotional anime just because they THINK its yaoi? It just isn't right... (By the way, it's not yaoi. It can be summed up as a shounen ai with mature themes.)

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Jul 2, 2019 3:15 AM

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juschenfe said:
heterosexuality is disgusting and exists only for people to reproduce. homsexuality is pure, innocent and more aesthetically pleasing

What the fuck is this?

Esquirtit said:

juschenfe said:
heterosexuality is disgusting and exists only for people to reproduce. homsexuality is pure, innocent and more aesthetically pleasing

how is getting your butthole fucked innocent

And what the fuck is that?
Heterosexual people would never do this of course?

All of this is so damn weird.
... and you definitely won't get acceptance by calling heterosexuality disgusting, since you are not different than homophobeic people then.
I hope that's a troll post.

I just sign the first post from OP (from year 2015, why would you?) here.
A cute couple is a cute couple. See, it's actually that simple.

Jul 2, 2019 4:39 AM

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To still be able to sleep at night, I wanna believe @juschenfe is a troll. Oh please, common sense gods, let it be true. Don't let the memes come to life and turn into a irl joke, amen.

Jul 2, 2019 4:45 AM

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BlancaXLobo said:
Because most of them portray toxic relationships framing them as romantic.

That's like everywhere in Japanese entertainment except if a female is "tundere" and physically abusive that's no longer toxic but cute or something but when a male does it then it's suddenly oh-so-super bad.

It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate".

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Jul 2, 2019 4:55 AM

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I don't know, I am more into shounen-ai xD

Jul 2, 2019 5:29 AM

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I don't think toxic and abusive or unhealthy relationships are inherently wrong. First, there is a difference between those and second, how will they are portrayed is what matters the most. If you portray unhealthy or outrightly toxic relationships like the most romantic thing, you might write romanticized shit for teenage girls, who are absorbing that. Some of them know the difference, others think this would be romantic in real life as well. If people can differentiate, everything is fine imo.

That's for abusive and toxic relationships.
"Unhealthy" on the other hand is a completely different topic and hard to tell where to draw the line.
I have never seen a completely healthy (aka therefore it must be perfect) relationship. Not between romantic partners, not between parents and kids, not between friends.
People always bring their own package into relationships and I personally prefer the normal ones.

I started to dislike somehow these super cute / kind of perfect and pure relationships, especially in Girls Love, since there is the stereotype that love between girls / women is so much different and so pure, which isn't the case at all. It also has the very uncomfortable undertone that everytime a man gets involved, it will become "dirty".

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Jul 2, 2019 7:38 AM

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Sphinxter said:

BlancaXLobo said:
Because most of them portray toxic relationships framing them as romantic.

That's like everywhere in Japanese entertainment except if a female is "tundere" and physically abusive that's no longer toxic but cute or something but when a male does it then it's suddenly oh-so-super bad.

I was talking about romanticed abuse in yaoi's specific case because people were asking about yaoi. So I find unnecessary bringing up other ways abuse gets romanticized in anime if it's not yaoi.

Jul 2, 2019 8:05 AM

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BlancaXLobo said:

Sphinxter said:

That's like everywhere in Japanese entertainment except if a female is "tundere" and physically abusive that's no longer toxic but cute or something but when a male does it then it's suddenly oh-so-super bad.

I was talking about romanticed abuse in yaoi's specific case because people were asking about yaoi. So I find unnecessary bringing up other ways abuse gets romanticized in anime if it's not yaoi.

The implicit quæstion the topic is obviously asking is "why hate yaoi over other genres of 'anime'?".

An "I dislike 'anime' in general." is not really an answer to this quæstion.

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Jul 8, 2019 11:39 PM

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Yaoi isn't for everyone, especially heterosexuals and religious people. I understand people's preferences on genres in anime, but calling it disgusting or gay is just immature. If you're not into yaoi or bl anime, watch something else. No one isn't forcing you to watch it.

Cartoons and anime is my reality.

Jul 8, 2019 11:59 PM

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I only have two words regarding this topic : gross and disgusting

I don't want to offend anyone if possible but sorry man with man is just....no, very very big no.

I can still accept yuri even though it grossed me too but at least girl with girl was a bit better in my eyes.

About genuine love between boys? Nah sorry, I don't believe in that kind of thing.

I only believe in love between boy AND girl. Besides that it was bullshit to me.

Of course feel free to think otherwise, I only give out my opinion here and won't criticize your way of thinking so I hope you won't too.

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Jul 9, 2019 12:20 AM

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Because it's a taste.

It's like you don't want to have sex with your mom or your sister, right? That's the thing.

Some people might be interested in it, but for the people who just love straight romance will never like it.

Jul 9, 2019 1:40 AM

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