NovaLord said:De_Baer said:
Luffy had no business beating Crocodile with his extremely severe injuries (and being poisoned even) and he still won even though he should have been dead multiple times. Same against Lucci were he took more damage and 2 deadly hits at point blank range and still did not fall and ended the fight in his favor with his strongest attack. I can't remember anyone complaining about this back in the day and shouting "asspull" or "bad writing". Everyone accepted it and counted the fights among the best of the series. And please don't tell me that this fight against Katakuri is much different in this regard.
I know this might sound shocking to believe, but yes it is different. Plus you assume I didn't complain back then. I don't look too highly on Alabasta for some reasons but am forgiving because it was a different time back then. The Crocodile fight was bullshit but wasn't even the biggest bullshit part in the arc (Pell living). Even then the Crocodile part holds nothing on this as there is a difference in context and knowledge that we knew. When Luffy fought Crocodile we knew nothing about haki. So the excuse that Luffy is a rubber man or Crocodile is a sand man held more weight then they do now. Crocodile was OP'd cause of his fruit then Luffy must be the same cause of his. It wasn't just this but it was also the fact Luffy found his weakness. The reason Luffy won is because Crocodile who was OP because of his fruit had been weakened by water and was no longer at his best. His fruit was no longer a factor. Sure Luffy should've died after the stab wound but the excuse that he's made of rubber (and his body works different) held more weight back then. This is no longer the case because we know haki nullifies DF and given our current knowledge Luffy should've died (he should've died back then but those excuses held more weight back then). So when Katakuri is smacking him around he is hitting Luffy without having to deal with Luffy's devil fruit. I still think crocodile fight was bullshit but the context from what we knew back then is much different. In the fight against Lucci, the context still fits. Lucci had just barely gotten his devil fruit so it wasn't like he was able to make the most of it against Luffy. Luffy had tons of experience with his fruit whereas that was his first fight with his. Of course he was gonna be at a disadvantage. Plus it wasn't a one sided beatdown like Katakuri.
Not too mention Crocodile and Lucci are no Katakuri. There's a huge difference in their strength relative to the series. Crocodile was a simple dictator whereas Katakuri is supposed to be Big Mom's first mate. The top commander to a younkou, who are supposed to be endgame in the series. In other words Crocodile and Lucci are villains of the week whereas Katakuri is nearing endgame. Only thing Crocodile had going for him in the fight was his devil fruit but Katakuri is much more then that. He had his insane haki, superior strength, and superior use of a fruit similar to Luffys that was awakened. There aren't many fighters stronger than him. If you remember Marineford Whitebeards commanders where able to hold their own against admirals (even if they did lose that feat is impressive). That's the level a top commander like Katakuri should be at so for Luffy to just beat him because "lol stamina" is simply insulting. So Katakuri despite being near the top lacks this stamina after smacking around some guy but the guy getting battered and bled out somehow has the stamina to keep walking. Two admirals fought each other for five days and while Katakuri may not be at their level are you telling me he couldn't even last a day? Really? That's ridiculous and terrible writing. I don't care that Luffy will reach the top, I expect him to, but if he's gonna be stronger give him a logical progression to the top, not just asspull his way there. And yes his magical stamina is as asspull as it gets.
De_Baer said:
Oh, and Roger never ran away, you seem to confuse something here. It was even stated by Shanks that he wished sometimes that Roger would just run away but he didn't. Ace also did not run away because he inherited that trait from his father.
Funny how earlier in your post you claim people miss the point yet here you seem to forget what even happened in this arc. Read the manga. Big Mom said Roger ran away after reading the poneglyph. He didn't stay and fight, there was no reason why Luffy couldn't have done the same. It would've mirrored Roger.
De_Baer said:
As I already said, Luffys insane endurance has been a thing since the early major fights of the series. But there was more to this fight than him getting only 4 hits in on Katakuri. I think I explained it relatively well in my earlier post
You're literally doing the "lmao luffy has max stamina! just turn your brain off XD" argument. Your post is ridiculous. So you really expect people to believe that the guy with more haki depleted their haki faster then the guy with less haki who is getting curb stomped and desperately trying to stay alive? Are you forgetting how much haki is used up by gear fourth which luffy used in the fight? So Luffy who used gear fourth throughout the fight had haki but Katakuri didn't, like really. Or are we just supposed to turn our brains off and ignore that? Likewise why are you only focusing on haki and not physical damage? The amount of haki remaining is irrelevant if you're bleeding to death with broken bones. Physical damage also depletes how much haki you have so Luffy getting destroyed would affect his Haki level. Going by the simple logic in the series Luffy should've lost. This level of plot armor is similar to garbage series like Fairy Tail.
You seem to be a One Piece fanatic, so getting you to see the obvious will be next to impossible. I love One Piece not because its One Piece but because of the great writing. This is not the One Piece I love. You might be okay with this but those of that actually care for the quality will gladly criticize it. I still love this arc although not as much. I hope its explained as if Katakuri just let him go because otherwise this is just downright insulting to the intellect of his audience. This whole fight has just left a foul taste in my mouth. No person who truly loves One Piece should be okay with this.