is the first year of Trump a success?
yes
35.1%
20
no
50.9%
29
neutral
14.0%
8
57 votes
Kuma said: Thrashinuva said:  That's a whole lot of "no data". And what exactly counts as "favorable"? If our president kneels in allegiance to another country, then that country will be favorable of them, don't you think? i mean,one sided trump decision to move israel capital to jarussalem was rejected by 128 country and only 9 country suppoted it even after you guys throwing thantrum even threating UN and the rest of the world about it... sure trump liked by the "no data" country, lOl... Most people in other countries probably don't care much about Trump and only know what left-leaning media (i.e. biased against Trump) tell them, so it's like the only source of information regarding Trump for "the world" is something like a democratic spokesperson. The result is obvious. Also the graphic shown is from Spring 2017, so it's not very much up-to-date. I think some countries might have a different result now, like Poland. Also regarding the Israel embassy... why should the UN even be involved? It's a matter that's entirely between the US and Israel. If the UN already gets so much power to just decide between matters that should be only between two countries, then AT LEAST make seperate elections for them, like with the European Parliament. As it is right now, the executive branch of each country got an additional pillar of power in the form of deciding the representative for the UN who can vote on global matters, thereby unbalancing the concept of seperation of powers of each country. Do I need to remind people that the UN is also the same organisation that put Saudi Arabia as the head for women's rights, as well as presenting an extremist scammer like Anita Sarkeesian as an "authority for sexism in video games"? |
Grey-ZoneFeb 1, 2018 7:14 AM
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Kuma said: You're just building onto my point here dude.Thrashinuva said: That's a whole lot of "no data". And what exactly counts as "favorable"? If our president kneels in allegiance to another country, then that country will be favorable of them, don't you think? i mean,one sided trump decision to move israel capital to jarussalem was rejected by 128 country and only 9 country suppoted it even after you guys throwing thantrum even threating UN and the rest of the world about it... sure trump liked by the "no data" country, lOl... We moved an embassy to Israel, and people were upset. What's approval rating even worth if you're lumping in things like that? Oh sure, everyone cares about the Jews up until someone actually treats them well, then everyone is an anti-Semite all of a sudden. |
Grey-Zone said: Kuma said: i mean,one sided trump decision to move israel capital to jarussalem was rejected by 128 country and only 9 country suppoted it even after you guys throwing thantrum even threating UN and the rest of the world about it... sure trump liked by the "no data" country, lOl... Most people in other countries probably don't care much about Trump and only know what left-leaning media (i.e. biased against Trump) tell them, so it's like the only source of information regarding Trump for "the world" is something like a democratic spokesperson. The result is obvious. Also the graphic shown is from Spring 2017, so it's not very much up-to-date. I think some countries might have a different result now, like Poland. Also regarding the Israel embassy... why should the UN even be involved? It's a matter that's entirely between the US and Israel. If the UN already gets so much power to just decide between matters that should be only between two countries, then AT LEAST make seperate elections for them, like with the European Parliament. As it is right now, the executive branch of each country got an additional pillar of power in the form of deciding the representative for the UN who can vote on global matters, thereby unbalancing the concept of seperation of powers of each country. Do I need to remind people that the UN is also the same organisation that put Saudi Arabia as the head for women's rights, as well as presenting an extremist scammer like Anita Sarkeesian as an "authority for sexism in video games"? of course >deregrading UN >blame media very typical... it was Israel and US policy want international acknowladgement to jarussalem to be israel capital, of course lot of country that didn't want jerussalem quo status change is refuse it and report UN... UN then simply give them tools to express it, that's all... let me give right leaning media source http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/21/latest-israel-calls-un-resolution-preposterous.html i am gonna ignore the UN criticizm since they pretty much only express what the majority country voters do... they simply fasilitator... and about outdated information, i expect to get even lower, since jarussalem ruckus (which is why in my first post in this thread i mentioned should not included because it's not apply yet).. Thrashinuva said: Kuma said: You're just building onto my point here dude.i mean,one sided trump decision to move israel capital to jarussalem was rejected by 128 country and only 9 country suppoted it even after you guys throwing thantrum even threating UN and the rest of the world about it... sure trump liked by the "no data" country, lOl... We moved an embassy to Israel, and people were upset. What's approval rating even worth if you're lumping in things like that? Oh sure, everyone cares about the Jews up until someone actually treats them well, then everyone is an anti-Semite all of a sudden. wern't kind of funny because lot of rights (cough cough, alti) because they think jew is behind hillary, soros group and immigration,... i didn't give a damn a bout israel being jew, but they stole other country territory which already really broke previous agreetment whcih what trump suppport... lot of country sure dislike it because purely morality reasoning (even their conservative allies like Brits)... of course it's all happened when bibi start attacked with his corruption scandal, how convinient... cough cough.... |
KumaFeb 1, 2018 8:01 AM
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| @Kuma I'm not particularly interested in describing to you or anyone why we should support Israel. |
Kuma said: Grey-Zone said: Most people in other countries probably don't care much about Trump and only know what left-leaning media (i.e. biased against Trump) tell them, so it's like the only source of information regarding Trump for "the world" is something like a democratic spokesperson. The result is obvious. Also the graphic shown is from Spring 2017, so it's not very much up-to-date. I think some countries might have a different result now, like Poland. Also regarding the Israel embassy... why should the UN even be involved? It's a matter that's entirely between the US and Israel. If the UN already gets so much power to just decide between matters that should be only between two countries, then AT LEAST make seperate elections for them, like with the European Parliament. As it is right now, the executive branch of each country got an additional pillar of power in the form of deciding the representative for the UN who can vote on global matters, thereby unbalancing the concept of seperation of powers of each country. Do I need to remind people that the UN is also the same organisation that put Saudi Arabia as the head for women's rights, as well as presenting an extremist scammer like Anita Sarkeesian as an "authority for sexism in video games"? of course >deregrading UN >blame media very typical... it was Israel and US policy want international acknowladgement to jarussalem to be israel capital, of course lot of country that didn't want jerussalem quo status change is refuse it and report UN... UN then simply give them tools to express it, that's all... let me give right leaning media source http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/21/latest-israel-calls-un-resolution-preposterous.html i am gonna ignore the UN criticizm since they pretty much only express what the majority country voters do... and about outdated information, i expect to get even lower, since jarussalem ruckus (which is why in my first post in this thread i mentioned should not included because it's not apply yet).. national media, i.e. newspapers and TV stations, in most cases, focus around and have their HQs in high-population centers, i.e. big cities. Likewise, big cities, in the current age, tend to strongly lean left in many western countries. So it's only logical that most national media get influenced by their environment. I don't "blame" them for that - it's just the natural consequence of the cirumstances of the current time, combined with the free market called "free press". Ironically it's more capitalistic than almost any other business, but that's a matter for another time. And I frankly don't understand the whole buzz about whether Israel's capital is Tel-Aviv or Jerusalem. 99.9% of people on this world are, for their entire life, unaffected by this decision, so I am not sure why people even care so much about it. Also regarding "UN only express what the majority country voters do"... does that include having Saudi Arabia be head of the women's rights council and having Anita Sarkeesian being considered an authority on sexism in video games? Maybe next they'll make North Korea the head of the human rights council. |
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Thrashinuva said: i don't give a damn about your (you trash) position is... but when trump are againts most other countries view, threatening and blackmailing them to follow his view.. is it surprising that he is hated? so alex post is as well the pew research still stand (might even worse considering london embassy, jerussalem, "my nuke botton bigger" NK, pakistan harrashment)... seriously, that's embarassing!@Kuma I'm not particularly interested in describing to you or anyone why we should support Israel. Grey-Zone said: Kuma said: of course >deregrading UN >blame media very typical... it was Israel and US policy want international acknowladgement to jarussalem to be israel capital, of course lot of country that didn't want jerussalem quo status change is refuse it and report UN... UN then simply give them tools to express it, that's all... let me give right leaning media source http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/21/latest-israel-calls-un-resolution-preposterous.html i am gonna ignore the UN criticizm since they pretty much only express what the majority country voters do... and about outdated information, i expect to get even lower, since jarussalem ruckus (which is why in my first post in this thread i mentioned should not included because it's not apply yet).. national media, i.e. newspapers and TV stations, in most cases, focus around and have their HQs in high-population centers, i.e. big cities. Likewise, big cities, in the current age, tend to strongly lean left in many western countries. So it's only logical that most national media get influenced by their environment. I don't "blame" them for that - it's just the natural consequence of the cirumstances of the current time, combined with the free market called "free press". Ironically it's more capitalistic than almost any other business, but that's a matter for another time. And I frankly don't understand the whole buzz about whether Israel's capital is Tel-Aviv or Jerusalem. 99.9% of people on this world are, for their entire life, unaffected by this decision, so I am not sure why people even care so much about it. Also regarding "UN only express what the majority country voters do"... does that include having Saudi Arabia be head of the women's rights council and having Anita Sarkeesian being considered an authority on sexism in video games? Maybe next they'll make North Korea the head of the human rights council. uggh, city vs rural dichotomy, glad that i am in the country that didn't have this kind of problem, sucks to be you and please,don't generelize everyone like your experience... also most rampant about this is fellow conservative (especially right leaning muslim, russia and friends, ETC)... >not affected bitch, your own god trump is really care about this! even make enemy anyone who againts it!... http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/trump-countries-jerusalem-move-enemies-180131130537414.html (oh wait, "left leaning media") https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/30/trump-vows-punish-nations-criticizing-jerusalem-em/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS talk to your fucking president first! holy shit.. lack of awareness is never stop to surprise me! we are still talking about the vote right that got facilitated by UN, not one of UN organization make stupid shit because the one on the charge (cough cough, rich country who pays contributed more) had to appeal to them? |
KumaFeb 1, 2018 9:00 AM
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Dude how do you believe people will take your side when you want to abandon Jews. |
Thrashinuva said: Dude how do you believe people will take your side when you want to abandon Jews. where my post implied that? |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| TJ Kirk was kind enough to upload a "no bullshit" version of the State of the Union (e.g. the clapping has been cut out) |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Kuma said: Thrashinuva said: i don't give a damn about your (you trash) position is... but when trump are againts most other countries view, threatening and blackmailing them to follow his view.. is it surprising that he is hated? so alex post is as well the pew research still stand (might even worse considering london embassy, jerussalem, "my nuke botton bigger" NK, pakistan harrashment)... seriously, that's embarassing!@Kuma I'm not particularly interested in describing to you or anyone why we should support Israel. Grey-Zone said: national media, i.e. newspapers and TV stations, in most cases, focus around and have their HQs in high-population centers, i.e. big cities. Likewise, big cities, in the current age, tend to strongly lean left in many western countries. So it's only logical that most national media get influenced by their environment. I don't "blame" them for that - it's just the natural consequence of the cirumstances of the current time, combined with the free market called "free press". Ironically it's more capitalistic than almost any other business, but that's a matter for another time. And I frankly don't understand the whole buzz about whether Israel's capital is Tel-Aviv or Jerusalem. 99.9% of people on this world are, for their entire life, unaffected by this decision, so I am not sure why people even care so much about it. Also regarding "UN only express what the majority country voters do"... does that include having Saudi Arabia be head of the women's rights council and having Anita Sarkeesian being considered an authority on sexism in video games? Maybe next they'll make North Korea the head of the human rights council. uggh, city vs rural dichotomy, glad that i am in the country that didn't have this kind of problem, sucks to be you and please,don't generelize everyone like your experience... also most rampant about this is fellow conservative (especially right leaning muslim, russia and friends, ETC)... >not affected bitch, your own god trump is really care about this! even make enemy anyone who againts it!... http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/trump-countries-jerusalem-move-enemies-180131130537414.html (oh wait, "left leaning media") https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/30/trump-vows-punish-nations-criticizing-jerusalem-em/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS talk to your fucking president first! holy shit.. lack of awareness is never stop to surprise me! we are still talking about the vote right that got facilitated by UN, not one of UN organization make stupid shit because the one on the charge (cough cough, rich country who pays contributed more) had to appeal to them? It's different for Trump because it's a long on-going diplomatic issue between US and Israel, with multiple presidents having made public statements where they promised to move the embassy, but that doesn't have anything to do with people who live neither in the US nor Israel. And why does a sovereign nation need the approval of other countries to decide which of their cities become their capital? Why does another sovereign nation need approval from other countries to recognise that another sovereign nation shifted their capital? It's not like they are discussion nukes or anything... The UN is very selective about their aggressiveness. The first time Russia invaded another country (Georgia) and created a puppet state there, essentially expanding, I don't remember any severe consequences. Neither do I remember the UN intervening AT ALL when an incident happened that was quite likely an assassination, by the Russian government, of the the Polish president, who was visiting a memorial site. No responses AT ALL. Only with some sanctions for Crimea and the 2016 US presidential elections, was Russia being in some way held accountable later on. Quite ironically it was when the relations between western powers with Russia worsened, i.e. when it went from Obama's "the 80s called, they want their foreign policy back" and "more flexibility after the election" to Hillary's "Russia intereferes with my election!" and "Trump colludes with the Russians!". Also I don't live in the US. The only reason I like Trump is the combination of me directionally agreeing with what he says (what he ACTUALLY says, not what either the "right", like breitbart, etc., or the "left", like WP, NYT, etc. claim he says - based on primary sources, not secondary sources) as well as the fact that he is entertaining, doesn't cave to political correctness and doesn't try to placate the press. He does placate his base, but it's to a tolerable extent and it comes with an upside, perhaps one of the most important ones: He has shown on multiple occasions that he is not ideologically restricted. I don't find any of these attributes with other politicians, escpacially Europe. Whenever someone is not politically correct, they are at the same time unfortunately too obsessed with their own political ideology, or are too extreme. The problem is that the media likes to call all anti-refugee politicians as "far-right". And the thing is that there ARE quite a few "far-right" people in those circles, but there are also many who are not. Due to the media it's very hard to pick out which individuals among the anti-refugee politicians are actually far-right and whch are not. Even worse, anti-refugee has been associated with "far-right" by now, which is probably the most dirty polticial move I have ever witnessed in my live. In Germany it's escpacially bad. There are many people who are actually against refugees, but don't want vote AfD because they appear to have too many radicals in their party. If only one of the other main-stream parties had this position, then there wouldn't even be a need for the AfD, but unfortunately ALL the main-stream parties placate the press and their pro-refugee messaging to appear "good". |
Grey-ZoneFeb 1, 2018 2:50 PM
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Comic_Sans said: Thanks for this.TJ Kirk was kind enough to upload a "no bullshit" version of the State of the Union (e.g. the clapping has been cut out) [yt]Tal0xFA8-T8[yt] It's nice to avoid the tedious applause on all of these. Nothing surprising said, of course. Which is why I'd rather not sit through two hours of it. |
Grey-Zone said: Kuma said: i don't give a damn about your (you trash) position is... but when trump are againts most other countries view, threatening and blackmailing them to follow his view.. is it surprising that he is hated? so alex post is as well the pew research still stand (might even worse considering london embassy, jerussalem, "my nuke botton bigger" NK, pakistan harrashment)... seriously, that's embarassing! uggh, city vs rural dichotomy, glad that i am in the country that didn't have this kind of problem, sucks to be you and please,don't generelize everyone like your experience... also most rampant about this is fellow conservative (especially right leaning muslim, russia and friends, ETC)... >not affected bitch, your own god trump is really care about this! even make enemy anyone who againts it!... http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/trump-countries-jerusalem-move-enemies-180131130537414.html (oh wait, "left leaning media") https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/30/trump-vows-punish-nations-criticizing-jerusalem-em/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS talk to your fucking president first! holy shit.. lack of awareness is never stop to surprise me! we are still talking about the vote right that got facilitated by UN, not one of UN organization make stupid shit because the one on the charge (cough cough, rich country who pays contributed more) had to appeal to them? It's different for Trump because it's a long on-going diplomatic issue between US and Israel, with multiple presidents having made public statements where they promised to move the embassy, but that doesn't have anything to do with people who live neither in the US nor Israel. And why does a sovereign nation need the approval of other countries to decide which of their cities become their capital? Why does another sovereign nation need approval from other countries to recognise that another sovereign nation shifted their capital? It's not like they are discussion nukes or anything... The UN is very selective about their aggressiveness. The first time Russia invaded another country (Georgia) and created a puppet state there, essentially expanding, I don't remember any severe consequences. Neither do I remember the UN intervening AT ALL when an incident happened that was quite likely an assassination, by the Russian government, of the the Polish president, who was visiting a memorial site. No responses AT ALL. Only with some sanctions for Crimea and the 2016 US presidential elections, was Russia being in some way held accountable later on. Quite ironically it was when the relations between western powers with Russia worsened, i.e. when it went from Obama's "the 80s called, they want their foreign policy back" and "more flexibility after the election" to Hillary's "Russia intereferes with my election!" and "Trump colludes with the Russians!". Also I don't live in the US. The only reason I like Trump is the combination of me directionally agreeing with what he says (what he ACTUALLY says, not what either the "right", like breitbart, etc., or the "left", like WP, NYT, etc. claim he says - based on primary sources, not secondary sources) as well as the fact that he is entertaining, doesn't cave to political correctness and doesn't try to placate the press. He does placate his base, but it's to a tolerable extent and it comes with an upside, perhaps one of the most important ones: He has shown on multiple occasions that he is not ideologically restricted. I don't find any of these attributes with other politicians, escpacially Europe. Whenever someone is not politically correct, they are at the same time unfortunately too obsessed with their own political ideology, or are too extreme. The problem is that the media likes to call all anti-refugee politicians as "far-right". And the thing is that there ARE quite a few "far-right" people in those circles, but there are also many who are not. Due to the media it's very hard to pick out which individuals among the anti-refugee politicians are actually far-right and whch are not. Even worse, anti-refugee has been associated with "far-right" by now, which is probably the most dirty polticial move I have ever witnessed in my live. In Germany it's escpacially bad. There are many people who are actually against refugees, but don't want vote AfD because they appear to have too many radicals in their party. If only one of the other main-stream parties had this position, then there wouldn't even be a need for the AfD, but unfortunately ALL the main-stream parties placate the press and their pro-refugee messaging to appear "good". another country must didn't give a fuck about russia invading chrimea since it's only about russia and ukraina... /s seriously, are you retarded or what? this is basic international relationship 101 also false! https://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/13/world/europe/2008-georgia-russia-conflict/index.html they do, but russia veto it, just like recently US vetoed jerussalem resolution.. in fact, russia (formerly uni sovviet) vetoed UN much more than US... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power pls, educate yourself... also i don't give a damn about western "rights left" thing.. i am complitely outsider,who judge not because political affiliance but trump policy which in fact disliked by most country... it's not about political correctness, it's simply about common sense... if you act like an ass, people will think you are an ass and hated you... that's all there is to it... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: Grey-Zone said: It's different for Trump because it's a long on-going diplomatic issue between US and Israel, with multiple presidents having made public statements where they promised to move the embassy, but that doesn't have anything to do with people who live neither in the US nor Israel. And why does a sovereign nation need the approval of other countries to decide which of their cities become their capital? Why does another sovereign nation need approval from other countries to recognise that another sovereign nation shifted their capital? It's not like they are discussion nukes or anything... The UN is very selective about their aggressiveness. The first time Russia invaded another country (Georgia) and created a puppet state there, essentially expanding, I don't remember any severe consequences. Neither do I remember the UN intervening AT ALL when an incident happened that was quite likely an assassination, by the Russian government, of the the Polish president, who was visiting a memorial site. No responses AT ALL. Only with some sanctions for Crimea and the 2016 US presidential elections, was Russia being in some way held accountable later on. Quite ironically it was when the relations between western powers with Russia worsened, i.e. when it went from Obama's "the 80s called, they want their foreign policy back" and "more flexibility after the election" to Hillary's "Russia intereferes with my election!" and "Trump colludes with the Russians!". Also I don't live in the US. The only reason I like Trump is the combination of me directionally agreeing with what he says (what he ACTUALLY says, not what either the "right", like breitbart, etc., or the "left", like WP, NYT, etc. claim he says - based on primary sources, not secondary sources) as well as the fact that he is entertaining, doesn't cave to political correctness and doesn't try to placate the press. He does placate his base, but it's to a tolerable extent and it comes with an upside, perhaps one of the most important ones: He has shown on multiple occasions that he is not ideologically restricted. I don't find any of these attributes with other politicians, escpacially Europe. Whenever someone is not politically correct, they are at the same time unfortunately too obsessed with their own political ideology, or are too extreme. The problem is that the media likes to call all anti-refugee politicians as "far-right". And the thing is that there ARE quite a few "far-right" people in those circles, but there are also many who are not. Due to the media it's very hard to pick out which individuals among the anti-refugee politicians are actually far-right and whch are not. Even worse, anti-refugee has been associated with "far-right" by now, which is probably the most dirty polticial move I have ever witnessed in my live. In Germany it's escpacially bad. There are many people who are actually against refugees, but don't want vote AfD because they appear to have too many radicals in their party. If only one of the other main-stream parties had this position, then there wouldn't even be a need for the AfD, but unfortunately ALL the main-stream parties placate the press and their pro-refugee messaging to appear "good". another country must didn't give a fuck about russia invading chrimea since it's only about russia and ukraina... /s seriously, are you retarded or what? this is basic international relationship 101 also false! https://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/13/world/europe/2008-georgia-russia-conflict/index.html they do, but russia veto it, just like recently US vetoed jerussalem resolution.. in fact, russia (formerly uni sovviet) vetoed UN much more than US... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power pls, educate yourself... also i don't give a damn about western "rights left" thing.. i am complitely outsider,who judge not because political affiliance but trump policy which in fact disliked by most country... it's not about political correctness, it's simply about common sense... if you act like an ass, people will think you are an ass and hated you... that's all there is to it... Those reactions were quite shallow though. No mention of sanctions. The "investigation of potential war crimes" only started after 8(!) years, coincidently in the same year the whole russian collusion non-sense started. On top of that not long after getting elected, Obama scraps the missile shield project that was planned to defend Europe from any potential Russian long-distance attacks, as if rewarding Russia for their actions. Also funny how that CNN article's author appearently didn't even feel the need to mention the fact that multiple Presidents from central and eastern european countries formed a diplomatic "human shield" to prevent Russia from advancing further. A "little detail" that appearently didn't get reported in the West. Convenient, considering the ringleader of that event, the polish president, later died in an "accidental" plane crash on its way to a memorial site in Russia... there was even video footage of how sloppily the Russians recovered the wreckage and how messed up the "investigation" was. Western tabloids even went so far as to blame the Polish president himself for the crash... What annoys me is how Western media focus on complete BS like that "collusion" non-sense, but actually assisted Russia to keep everything under wrap before they became hostile toward each other. It's no wonder why Russia would keep taking advantage of everyone... the actual threats to them just let it happen. BTW, I also don't care much about the whole left-right wing seperation because everyone just defines it as they wish. But it's a fact that in Germany at least, and certainly other European countries, people are broadly called nazis or "far-right" just for supporting a position, as if the only motive for the position could be xenophobia, racism and "hate", as if other motives could not possibly exist. This broad-brush painting of peoples' inner thoughts - is it any different from "mainstream" generalizations, like the ones done by racists and the like? Under the definition of the mainstream media, I would be considered a far-right radical, xenophobic that wants to bring back the third reich. I don't think I need to explain any further why I have zero trust in the mainstream media. They are hostile towards me for my thoughts and for their own weird ideological reasons that I can only describe as absurd. |
Grey-ZoneFeb 1, 2018 7:20 PM
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Grey-Zone said: Kuma said: another country must didn't give a fuck about russia invading chrimea since it's only about russia and ukraina... /s seriously, are you retarded or what? this is basic international relationship 101 also false! https://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/13/world/europe/2008-georgia-russia-conflict/index.html they do, but russia veto it, just like recently US vetoed jerussalem resolution.. in fact, russia (formerly uni sovviet) vetoed UN much more than US... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power pls, educate yourself... also i don't give a damn about western "rights left" thing.. i am complitely outsider,who judge not because political affiliance but trump policy which in fact disliked by most country... it's not about political correctness, it's simply about common sense... if you act like an ass, people will think you are an ass and hated you... that's all there is to it... Those reactions were quite shallow though. No mention of sanctions. The "investigation of potential war crimes" only started after 8(!) years, coincidently in the same year the whole russian collusion non-sense started. On top of that not long after getting elected, Obama scraps the missile shield project that was planned to defend Europe from any potential Russian long-distance attacks, as if rewarding Russia for their actions. Also funny how that CNN article's author appearently didn't even feel the need to mention the fact that multiple Presidents from central and eastern european countries formed a diplomatic "human shield" to prevent Russia from advancing further. A "little detail" that appearently didn't get reported in the West. Convenient, considering the ringleader of that event, the polish president, later died in an "accidental" plane crash on its way to a memorial site in Russia... there was even video footage of how sloppily the Russians recovered the wreckage and how messed up the "investigation" was. Western tabloids even went so far as to blame the Polish president himself for the crash... What annoys me is how Western media focus on complete BS like that "collusion" non-sense, but actually assisted Russia to keep everything under wrap before they became hostile toward each other. It's no wonder why Russia would keep taking advantage of everyone... the actual threats to them just let it happen. BTW, I also don't care much about the whole left-right wing seperation because everyone just defines it as they wish. But it's a fact that in Germany at least, and certainly other European countries, people are broadly called nazis or "far-right" just for supporting a position, as if the only motive for the position could be xenophobia, racism and "hate", as if other motives could not possibly exist. This broad-brush painting of peoples' inner thoughts - is it any different from "mainstream" generalizations, like the ones done by racists and the like? Under the definition of the mainstream media, I would be considered a far-right radical, xenophobic that wants to bring back the third reich. I don't think I need to explain any further why I have zero trust in the mainstream media. They are hostile towards me for my thoughts and for their own weird ideological reasons that I can only describe as absurd. because they know russian will keep veto'ed it? just like how they didn't really can do shit with israel expansion? also EU investigation was showing that it was all started because gorgia side rather than russian side... http://echr.coe.int/Documents/HUDOC_38263_08_Annexes_ENG.pdf this is EU we are talking about... the organitation made to compate with russian saying russian is less guilty for once... |
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isekai said: lol and only 1 major law (tax reform) passed so far and that tax reform law is only making the rich more rich while the middle class of USA will only get tax cut temporarily until 2020+ Not his fault that the tax cut is temporary, and the richer getting richer = everyone getting richer. |
--ALEX-- said: Bayek said: Joking? About cucks? Surely you jest. No, I haven't seen other SOTU addresses. My basic take has always been to show the POTUS respect even in the face of disagreement. There were lots of non-partisan moments for the Democrats to take part in and they decided to do what you just told me: "Furthermore, if I had been in that crowd, I would not have applauded a single thing Trump said." You're being obstinate for nothing more than to make a statement that ultimately achieves nothing. It just makes you and the Dems look like sore losers. Well, guess what....NO they don't show respect. Obama was NOT shown respect either. One guy became famous for openly calling Obama a LIAR during the fucking SOTU one year! Here I have a video on it: ^This was by a GOPer...while Obama was making his SOTU address...at least no democrat did something like that! And Trump deserves ZERO respect! What respect has he given to Americans? Outside of America, Trump is hated to an even higher degree....the world thinks even LOWER of us Americans Thanks to Trump....we're all a bunch of fucking morons who elected an unfit reality TV star to the most important position on this planet. And you know what? They're not wrong. Bullshit, maybe if we ask sheeps, but Trump is very popular among many leaders of countries and companies across the globe. |
Sai-B said: isekai said: lol and only 1 major law (tax reform) passed so far and that tax reform law is only making the rich more rich while the middle class of USA will only get tax cut temporarily until 2020+ Not his fault that the tax cut is temporary, and the richer getting richer = everyone getting richer. what? Sai-B said: --ALEX-- said: Well, guess what....NO they don't show respect. Obama was NOT shown respect either. One guy became famous for openly calling Obama a LIAR during the fucking SOTU one year! Here I have a video on it: ^This was by a GOPer...while Obama was making his SOTU address...at least no democrat did something like that! And Trump deserves ZERO respect! What respect has he given to Americans? Outside of America, Trump is hated to an even higher degree....the world thinks even LOWER of us Americans Thanks to Trump....we're all a bunch of fucking morons who elected an unfit reality TV star to the most important position on this planet. And you know what? They're not wrong. Bullshit, maybe if we ask sheeps, but Trump is very popular among many leaders of countries and companies across the globe. source? what countries? israel? just recently, trump pissed off pakistan, most muslim world, england, russian, venezuela, worse NK, iran, east asia, china, mexico, most latin america, ETC... where world are you talkig about? |
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Sai-B said: Bullshit, maybe if we ask sheeps, but Trump is very popular among many leaders of countries and companies across the globe. Man, I don't even know if this is a joke or you're being serious or what... Trump is a JOKE! European leaders don't like him outside of Russia and maybe a few other Eastern European countries...the entirety of North America despises him. What fantasy world are you people living in? |
--ALEX-- said: Sai-B said: Bullshit, maybe if we ask sheeps, but Trump is very popular among many leaders of countries and companies across the globe. Man, I don't even know if this is a joke or you're being serious or what... Trump is a JOKE! European leaders don't like him outside of Russia and maybe a few other Eastern European countries...the entirety of North America despises him. What fantasy world are you people living in? pretty sure russian leaders and china hate trump illogical trade wars and saction too... https://www.rt.com/newsline/416304-us-wto-chicken-ruling/ https://www.rt.com/business/417351-us-sanctions-russia-wto/ https://www.rt.com/news/417392-putin-kremlin-list-joke/ obviously, i using RT, it is russian owned media... and looks kremlin higher up really uneasy about trump.... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
--ALEX-- said: Sai-B said: Bullshit, maybe if we ask sheeps, but Trump is very popular among many leaders of countries and companies across the globe. Man, I don't even know if this is a joke or you're being serious or what... Trump is a JOKE! European leaders don't like him outside of Russia and maybe a few other Eastern European countries...the entirety of North America despises him. What fantasy world are you people living in? And what world are you living in? First of all Russia isn't part of Europe. Second of all most world leaders have moderate to high favorability of Trump. Even Angela Merkel has respect for him, and some amount of favorability. Third of all, this was the most watched State of the Union address for a VERY long time, and about 70% of the polled viewers loved the speech. To add to that, if you don't live in one of the intensely democrat areas where you're likely to face physical repercussions for having opposing views, then you can't even go very far before encountering an avid supporter of Trump. You live in a bubble. |
isekai said: So your answer to wealth inequality is to make everyone poor? What you want to do doesn't work. It will cause a failure int he system quicker than if you were to leave it alone.Sai-B said: Not his fault that the tax cut is temporary, and the richer getting richer = everyone getting richer. what? Trump signed this tax reform law lol that is basically republicans classic trickle down economics again and richer getting richer = everyone getting richer? have you heard news saying wealth inequality is worsening? ye extreme poverty is eradicated but the middle class worldwide especially in rich countries are declining and you will hear news saying that only 8 people holds thesame wealth as half of the world population now that is crazy wealth inequality We already have many systems in place to provide for the poor, and if you were to propose a new system to help reduce the wealth inequality, we might very well get it implemented and safely integrated into our capitalist world. In the meantime, if everyone is earning more, it's a good thing. |
Thrashinuva said: --ALEX-- said: Man, I don't even know if this is a joke or you're being serious or what... Trump is a JOKE! European leaders don't like him outside of Russia and maybe a few other Eastern European countries...the entirety of North America despises him. What fantasy world are you people living in? And what world are you living in? First of all Russia isn't part of Europe. Second of all most world leaders have moderate to high favorability of Trump. Even Angela Merkel has respect for him, and some amount of favorability. Third of all, this was the most watched State of the Union address for a VERY long time, and about 70% of the polled viewers loved the speech. To add to that, if you don't live in one of the intensely democrat areas where you're likely to face physical repercussions for having opposing views, then you can't even go very far before encountering an avid supporter of Trump. You live in a bubble. >First of all Russia isn't part of Europe. https://www.rbth.com/arts/327309-is-russia-europe-or-asia > Second of all most world leaders have moderate to high favorability of Trump. Even Angela Merkel has respect for him, and some amount of favorability. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-election-merkel-trump/trump-must-be-respected-as-u-s-president-says-germanys-merkel-idUSKCN1B31U8 political correctness, rather than favorability... donald trump however louder about her... https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/912290/Donald-Trump-European-Union-Germany-Angela-Merkel-trade-surplus-sanctions-USA-trading > Third of all, this was the most watched State of the Union address for a VERY long time, and about 70% of the polled viewers loved the speech. internally... Thrashinuva said: isekai said: So your answer to wealth inequality is to make everyone poor? What you want to do doesn't work. It will cause a failure int he system quicker than if you were to leave it alone.what? Trump signed this tax reform law lol that is basically republicans classic trickle down economics again and richer getting richer = everyone getting richer? have you heard news saying wealth inequality is worsening? ye extreme poverty is eradicated but the middle class worldwide especially in rich countries are declining and you will hear news saying that only 8 people holds thesame wealth as half of the world population now that is crazy wealth inequality We already have many systems in place to provide for the poor, and if you were to propose a new system to help reduce the wealth inequality, we might very well get it implemented and safely integrated into our capitalist world. In the meantime, if everyone is earning more, it's a good thing. by deleting healthcare? expensive collage and hospitals? what implemented? from where money had to get? |
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Kuma said: The government caused both healthcare and college to become so expensive in the first place. Here's the way it works.Thrashinuva said: And what world are you living in? First of all Russia isn't part of Europe. Second of all most world leaders have moderate to high favorability of Trump. Even Angela Merkel has respect for him, and some amount of favorability. Third of all, this was the most watched State of the Union address for a VERY long time, and about 70% of the polled viewers loved the speech. To add to that, if you don't live in one of the intensely democrat areas where you're likely to face physical repercussions for having opposing views, then you can't even go very far before encountering an avid supporter of Trump. You live in a bubble. >First of all Russia isn't part of Europe. https://www.rbth.com/arts/327309-is-russia-europe-or-asia > Second of all most world leaders have moderate to high favorability of Trump. Even Angela Merkel has respect for him, and some amount of favorability. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-election-merkel-trump/trump-must-be-respected-as-u-s-president-says-germanys-merkel-idUSKCN1B31U8 political correctness, rather than favorability... donald trump however louder about her... https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/912290/Donald-Trump-European-Union-Germany-Angela-Merkel-trade-surplus-sanctions-USA-trading > Third of all, this was the most watched State of the Union address for a VERY long time, and about 70% of the polled viewers loved the speech. internally... Thrashinuva said: So your answer to wealth inequality is to make everyone poor? What you want to do doesn't work. It will cause a failure int he system quicker than if you were to leave it alone. We already have many systems in place to provide for the poor, and if you were to propose a new system to help reduce the wealth inequality, we might very well get it implemented and safely integrated into our capitalist world. In the meantime, if everyone is earning more, it's a good thing. by deleting healthcare? expensive collage and hospitals? what implemented? from where money had to get? Health insurance providers made deals with hospitals. "Give our customers discounts on your products and services". The problem being hospitals couldn't afford to give a discount. The providers threaten to pull their customers away from their hospital to other hospitals who have already agreed to the proposal. The hospital is forced to raise the overall prices to every customer in order to give a discount to the provider. It would be simple to get rid of this heinous practice. Simply make it illegal. However, the health insurance providers lobbied local and federal governments to prevent this practice from becoming illegal, and also built imaginary borders between states to prevent you from buying another states health insurance, eliminating competition. Of course the providers are at fault, but the ultimate responsibility laid with the government for enabling it rather than destroying it. Imagine if in order to get a new tire or an oil change, you had to pay a higher price unless you had a specific car insurance provider. But you don't, that's why car insurance, and most other insurances types are immensely cheaper than health insurance. College tuition prices faced another problem. In this case, the colleges exploited the weakness of the government. The government decided at some point to help students pay for college. This meant that colleges no longer had to price competitively, because the new coming student would pay for it regardless. This meant that popular colleges could jack up their prices as much as they want, and still retain the same amount of "customers". Additionally, the government decided that instead of ending this policy, they would cover the debt of students, further expanding the problem as colleges further exploited their weak policies. So let me clarify. These are not issues that we should do nothing about. Rather they are things the government shouldn't have involved themselves with in the first place. They're far past leaving alone, and now we have to pull the government back to make it right again, which ironically or unironically depending on how educated on the matter you are, would not only reduce government spending, but lower prices of health care and college tuition back to affordable levels for even low income citizens. |
isekai said: Sai-B said: Not his fault that the tax cut is temporary, and the richer getting richer = everyone getting richer. what? Trump signed this tax reform law lol that is basically republicans classic trickle down economics again and richer getting richer = everyone getting richer? have you heard news saying wealth inequality is worsening? ye extreme poverty is eradicated but the middle class worldwide especially in rich countries are declining and you will hear news saying that only 8 people holds thesame wealth as half of the world population now that is crazy wealth inequality Your complaint is literally: "Maybe we're all getting richer, but someone is a lot richer than I am, so it's bad!" the fuck? Relative poverty is dangerous, but wealth inequality is not. "the middle class worldwide especially in rich countries are declining" Not because the richer are getting richer. If that IS the reason, however, please provide the evidence and prove me wrong. |
isekai said: You didn't say it that way, but that's where your answer leads to. Overtax the rich, now they can't pay their employees, then you redistribute the wealth, now people have some temporary money while they have no jobs, then there's no money left. It's a quicker collapse.what? where did i say that everyone should be poor? a little inequality is good (for now) but extreme inequality that the world is headed is wrong and can make the world economy collapse again http://evonomics.com/science-flow-says-extreme-inequality-causes-economic-collapse/ https://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/feb/05/inequality-leads-to-economic-collapse |
isekai said: If you actually spend the time to learn how the government works as well as the entire history of any government has ever worked, you might make a case for infrastructure, but none of the rest.Thrashinuva said: You didn't say it that way, but that's where your answer leads to. Overtax the rich, now they can't pay their employees, then you redistribute the wealth, now people have some temporary money while they have no jobs, then there's no money left. It's a quicker collapse. err no, you tax the excess wealth of the rich and make the government fund more better and free education, more infrastructures, free and better health care and that will create more businesses like small businesses and more jobs to increase economic growth what im proposing is just using the idle excess wealth of the rich |
isekai said: Yes, it is "more good" for the economy. I'm aware that individuals got breaks and businesses got cuts.Thrashinuva said: If you actually spend the time to learn how the government works as well as the entire history of any government has ever worked, you might make a case for infrastructure, but none of the rest. lol try to spend more time researching if trickle down economics (cutting taxes for the rich) by the republicans is more good for the economy the Trump tax reform law gives permanent tax cut for the rich there while giving only temporary tax cut for the rest/majority https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/15/in-political-gamble-gop-gives-permanent-tax-cuts-to-corporations-but-not-people/ |
isekai said: Sai-B said: Your complaint is literally: "Maybe we're all getting richer, but someone is a lot richer than I am, so it's bad!" the fuck? Relative poverty is dangerous, but wealth inequality is not. "the middle class worldwide especially in rich countries are declining" Not because the richer are getting richer. If that IS the reason, however, please provide the evidence and prove me wrong. you seem to not follow news huh https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/01/82-of-all-wealth-generated-last-year-went-to-the-richest-1-while-the-poorest-half-got-nothing-says-oxfam/ https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/nov/14/worlds-richest-wealth-credit-suisse http://theconversation.com/global-inequality-is-on-the-rise-but-at-vastly-different-rates-across-the-world-88976 you are telling me in a democratic world the minority (the rich) is greater than the majority? should it be that the majority gets better too? now provide me sources to your claims too Thrashinuva said: So your answer to wealth inequality is to make everyone poor? What you want to do doesn't work. It will cause a failure int he system quicker than if you were to leave it alone. We already have many systems in place to provide for the poor, and if you were to propose a new system to help reduce the wealth inequality, we might very well get it implemented and safely integrated into our capitalist world. In the meantime, if everyone is earning more, it's a good thing. what? where did i say that everyone should be poor? a little inequality is good (for now) but extreme inequality that the world is headed is wrong and can make the world economy collapse again http://evonomics.com/science-flow-says-extreme-inequality-causes-economic-collapse/ https://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/feb/05/inequality-leads-to-economic-collapse Read what I wrote again. I am asking you to provide evidence for your claim regarding wealth inequality being the cause of the middle class declining. And to respond to the articles you linked to: The "poorest" didn't get richer because the poorest live in underdeveloped countries where either no one is getting richer or where there's a corrupt and socialistic economy management present. Wealth inequality is not inherently bad. |
isekai said: You listen to the wrong "experts".Thrashinuva said: Yes, it is "more good" for the economy. I'm aware that individuals got breaks and businesses got cuts. trickle down economics works? it only works for the rich even experts says so |
| Trump's state of the union speech went about as expected. Republicans stand and clap for everything, Democrats stay seated. (opposite of when Obama was president, no surprises there) Trump: Together, we can do anything. A very America-first, unifying speech. The real "gem" of the evening was the Democrat response... it seethed hatred and division. A stark contrast to Trumps unifying speech. I can describe it in one word: "un-American" |
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BurntJelly said: Trump's state of the union speech went about as expected. Republicans stand and clap for everything, Democrats stay seated. (opposite of when Obama was president, no surprises there) Trump: Together, we can do anything. A very America-first, unifying speech. The real "gem" of the evening was the Democrat response... it seethed hatred and division. A stark contrast to Trumps unifying speech. I can describe it in one word: "un-American" like how trump treats those who lived here for generations? that can also be seen as Unamerican. sorry i don't trust a person who preaches unity while doing his damnedest to divide families. |
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| Was too busy playing Mario Kart 8 to care. Just make healthcare affordable and lower taxes. Everything else I don't care about. Too much circle jerking and fakeness in politics for me. |
Kuma said: as outsider, it could've been worse... so i vote neutral... lot shit does getting worse, but at least not fatal yet (that jarussalem one was dissaterious tho, but not formally yet so i don't count it)... if there is vote >at least, not as bad as i expected i would vote the shit out of it... i rank it 5/10... I think that just comes down to that fact that this current administration is so historically incompetent and clueless. Also a majority of the positions in the federal government are still vacant even after a year, so the fed is running on basically a skeleton crew. |
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hazarddex said: They're literally trying to legalize them right now. Democrats are getting in the way.BurntJelly said: Trump's state of the union speech went about as expected. Republicans stand and clap for everything, Democrats stay seated. (opposite of when Obama was president, no surprises there) Trump: Together, we can do anything. A very America-first, unifying speech. The real "gem" of the evening was the Democrat response... it seethed hatred and division. A stark contrast to Trumps unifying speech. I can describe it in one word: "un-American" like how trump treats those who lived here for generations? that can also be seen as Unamerican. sorry i don't trust a person who preaches unity while doing his damnedest to divide families. |
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