Fate/Extra Last Encore Episode 1 Discussion

ZBlastHistory said:


What i can't understand and some people too are HOW CAN SHINJI HAVE A GIRLFRIEND?



And some random info
If you watch Fate Illya remember the black cube thing? its from here Fate/Extra

ssjokg said:


If you have at least watched UBW,it was shown that Shinji is quite popular.This shouldnt surprise people.

He can have pretty much any girl in his school that isnt Ayako,Rin,Sakura and the comedy Trio.

About Fate/Kaleid.

It was reviealed that it isnt related.

ZBlastHistory said:


Shinji like only care with somthing he can't get like Rin was he ever care to any girl outside people who don't obey him.

Yeah we don't know anything else outside she is Shinji's girlfriend right noiw.

Like did she really love Shinji? did she know what Shinji want from all of this because they seem already understand what situation they are in.

Well if she is not a substitute for Rani later

eraes said:
it was just more boring, I'm not sure what you're expecting
whether that's because of disillusionment with the franchise or due to unsatisfactory direction (if not both) idk

LeWind_God said:
I'm still kind of green to the Fate series, but what is "Extella/Zero"?

LF2005 said:
the characters are so cartoon like, really bad, I kind of suspect it is a combination of 3d models & traditional animation

Fate Extella/Zero is the storyline summed up leading up to extella, but I think you are referring to "Fate/Extella" & "Fate/Zero"
as far as I understand Extella is the continuation of "Fate/extra CCC", & "Fate/Zero" is
the war before FSN/UBW/HF/Ataraxia.
see the image

LF2005 said:
the characters are so cartoon like, really bad, I kind of suspect it is a combination of 3d models & traditional animation

Fate Extella/Zero is the storyline summed up leading up to extella, but I think you are referring to "Fate/Extella" & "Fate/Zero"
as far as I understand Extella is the continuation of "Fate/extra CCC", & "Fate/Zero" is
the war before FSN/UBW/HF/Ataraxia.
see the image

Toshiya0 said:


Apart from Nero's huge eyes (which is almost bigger than already huge Extra design), I don't see any issues. You have to remember than it is digital world, so the designs will be different from all the other Fate anime you've watched.

Devil_Slayer said:
Soooo who is exactly the MC is supposed to romance here? I am nearly done playing Extra (Servent is Nero) but man they bullied all this relationship between you and the two girls only for the MC to turn all over Nero near the end of the game and even then you are just back and forth between the two sides, although admits he'sShe's much straight forward with Nero

RedKaZero said:


Also(and this is addressed to everyone), please stop throwing around servant names in this thread without spouler tag, because as far as this anime is concerned, they are still spoilers...

Devil_Slayer said:


Make me think what even the point of making routes for the girls if the MC will just friend zone them

Paul said:
Haven't played the game but I do recall a few trailers and that you're able to choose between female and male character. Was girl in the beginning suppose to be the female lead?

ssjokg said:
What is so hard to understand?

The explained that it is an virtual world on the moon, creatd by something called the Moon Cell.
It selects anyone that has Master potential and puts them in a death game.Prize?It is Fate, there are Masters and Servants.Take a guess.

There.Was it hard?

Kenokiri said:


I understand that but what's the point of being in an virtual reality where people die and still the mc not dying even with multiple fatal injuries?

VarunaBles said:

Well, according to the creator, it's supposed to be confusing. They also changed a lot in this adaptation. Only the characters themselves remain the same.


It is stated in the Synopsis that they are in a virtual world. Which also explains why the MC can take as much damage as he did. Although he can still feel the pain.

oldboi said:

but the other characters die when they are stabed

Kenokiri said:


I understand that but what's the point of being in an virtual reality where people die and still the mc not dying even with multiple fatal injuries?

Centurionzo_12 said:

In Extra CCC he can enter in a romance with Saber, Caster, Sakura and have hints with archer depending of what route you are playing, in the first the only real thing that change is what master Hakuno will fight and who will survive

Bakayalo_6 said:


You do realize that first episode is always the most expensive and one in which most effort were put into to hook up viewers? That's why its the best way to judge ongoing anime. Of course you don't.
Its even worse than PV, they changed Nero design alot in case you didn't noticed that as well. It became simple and easy to draw.
Its not even Shaft work to begin with. If you watched Madoka, Bakemonogatari or even Zetsubou Sensei you would know their signature animation style. This anime is just a Shaft imitation made by some other people. Shinbou supervise making of every episode and checks it troughly even after it was finished. He even draw key animation and he is much like Miyazaki in terms of workflow. There is no way he would let numerous goofs pass the final check like blood disappearing from MC face in some frames and appearing again in the next one. There is also no way animators and other people from Shaft that made Madoka would produce such a crappy animation and script, they are simply not the kind of people to do that. Its just their names and studio name written in credits to attract more people to the anime. Sounds crazy but its actually true. Remember what Hideo Kojima told about konami and why he left it? They treated him like shit even trough its he who made them successful, higher ups just don't care. Only thing they care about is more profit with less spending. Its sadly the same in the anime industry, in case you did not know Shinbou is not the head of Shaft, he is just a director with no right for opinion in making decisions. Anime is business, and if Shinbou name on the box would attract more viewers with actually spending less money on production hiring cheap animators instead of Shinbou team they would do it and he would have no right to object, that's simply how anime industry works. Shame so little people actually noticed that this is fake. Tells how much most of you care about animation.
There are numerous bad stuff in this anime that gave it away aside from bad animation, like music, its supposedly made by the same guy who made OST for Madoka, if you have ears you would notice that this generic sounds cant be his work. Or even abstract backgrounds, in previous Shaft titles they changed according to characters speech and music, there they are just dead and placed completely random with no trace of how Shaft usually make them. There is also horrible dialogues or a dumb script writing like mortally wounded MC goes somewhere for no real reason like he knows something was there and that Archer clone just calmly waited for him to get there and even stayed idle waiting for Nero to kill him. I don't know who wrote this crap but its certainly not someone from Shinbou team. I especially like how script writer is not even listed as a staff member here and he is unknown.
The main point why people hate it its because they feel that its not Shaft and they are being fooled.

Bakayalo_6 said:


You do realize that first episode is always the most expensive and one in which most effort were put into to hook up viewers? That's why its the best way to judge ongoing anime. Of course you don't.
Its even worse than PV, they changed Nero design alot in case you didn't noticed that as well. It became simple and easy to draw.
Its not even Shaft work to begin with. If you watched Madoka, Bakemonogatari or even Zetsubou Sensei you would know their signature animation style. This anime is just a Shaft imitation made by some other people. Shinbou supervise making of every episode and checks it troughly even after it was finished. He even draw key animation and he is much like Miyazaki in terms of workflow. There is no way he would let numerous goofs pass the final check like blood disappearing from MC face in some frames and appearing again in the next one. There is also no way animators and other people from Shaft that made Madoka would produce such a crappy animation and script, they are simply not the kind of people to do that. Its just their names and studio name written in credits to attract more people to the anime. Sounds crazy but its actually true. Remember what Hideo Kojima told about konami and why he left it? They treated him like shit even trough its he who made them successful, higher ups just don't care. Only thing they care about is more profit with less spending. Its sadly the same in the anime industry, in case you did not know Shinbou is not the head of Shaft, he is just a director with no right for opinion in making decisions. Anime is business, and if Shinbou name on the box would attract more viewers with actually spending less money on production hiring cheap animators instead of Shinbou team they would do it and he would have no right to object, that's simply how anime industry works. Shame so little people actually noticed that this is fake. Tells how much most of you care about animation.
There are numerous bad stuff in this anime that gave it away aside from bad animation, like music, its supposedly made by the same guy who made OST for Madoka, if you have ears you would notice that this generic sounds cant be his work. Or even abstract backgrounds, in previous Shaft titles they changed according to characters speech and music, there they are just dead and placed completely random with no trace of how Shaft usually make them. There is also horrible dialogues or a dumb script writing like mortally wounded MC goes somewhere for no real reason like he knows something was there and that Archer clone just calmly waited for him to get there and even stayed idle waiting for Nero to kill him. I don't know who wrote this crap but its certainly not someone from Shinbou team. I especially like how script writer is not even listed as a staff member here and he is unknown.
The main point why people hate it its because they feel that its not Shaft and they are being fooled.

Bakayalo_6 said:

They are also busy with new Madoka movie and Gatari season. No wonder they don't have time to actually make this fate anime themselves. Still a shame.
And also as I said bad art and animation is not the only issue with this thing sadly.
Don't know why would you actually want to watch this, you must have really low demand for quality or just want to watch it as a comedy laughing on how bad it is.

Bakayalo_6 said:

Well. Some people like to eat trash, its their choice of food and preference. But when they are a majority food companies would switch from making food to making trash since most people eat it anyway, its also cheaper and more profitable. Get what I mean? Plank of quality drops lower and lower because anime is more popular now, attracted way more people and anime fans of new generation have no standards and no clue whats good and whats bad. You can feed them literally anything and they would treat it as norm, even something like kemono friends. Low investment with huge profit, truly a golden age to milk anime as business. Sadly its become more of a business scheme rather than art.
But you are right, I am a minority here and looks like its me who is not needed here.
Continue to enjoy your "anime".

Bakayalo_6 said:


You do realize that first episode is always the most expensive and one in which most effort were put into to hook up viewers? That's why its the best way to judge ongoing anime. Of course you don't.
Its even worse than PV, they changed Nero design alot in case you didn't noticed that as well. It became simple and easy to draw.
Its not even Shaft work to begin with. If you watched Madoka, Bakemonogatari or even Zetsubou Sensei you would know their signature animation style. This anime is just a Shaft imitation made by some other people. Shinbou supervise making of every episode and checks it troughly even after it was finished. He even draw key animation and he is much like Miyazaki in terms of workflow. There is no way he would let numerous goofs pass the final check like blood disappearing from MC face in some frames and appearing again in the next one. There is also no way animators and other people from Shaft that made Madoka would produce such a crappy animation and script, they are simply not the kind of people to do that. Its just their names and studio name written in credits to attract more people to the anime. Sounds crazy but its actually true. Remember what Hideo Kojima told about konami and why he left it? They treated him like shit even trough its he who made them successful, higher ups just don't care. Only thing they care about is more profit with less spending. Its sadly the same in the anime industry, in case you did not know Shinbou is not the head of Shaft, he is just a director with no right for opinion in making decisions. Anime is business, and if Shinbou name on the box would attract more viewers with actually spending less money on production hiring cheap animators instead of Shinbou team they would do it and he would have no right to object, that's simply how anime industry works. Shame so little people actually noticed that this is fake. Tells how much most of you care about animation.
There are numerous bad stuff in this anime that gave it away aside from bad animation, like music, its supposedly made by the same guy who made OST for Madoka, if you have ears you would notice that this generic sounds cant be his work. Or even abstract backgrounds, in previous Shaft titles they changed according to characters speech and music, there they are just dead and placed completely random with no trace of how Shaft usually make them. There is also horrible dialogues or a dumb script writing like mortally wounded MC goes somewhere for no real reason like he knows something was there and that Archer clone just calmly waited for him to get there and even stayed idle waiting for Nero to kill him. I don't know who wrote this crap but its certainly not someone from Shinbou team. I especially like how script writer is not even listed as a staff member here and he is unknown.
The main point why people hate it its because they feel that its not Shaft and they are being fooled.

RedKaZero said:
Why did Hakuno randomly decide to go to the incinerator?
Because it contains the centre of the Mooncell "Angelica Cage", which may answer Hakuno's question as explained by that glasses guy and in part the teacher.
It's easy to miss if you don't pay attention I guess
The real question would be that why was saber there?

RedKaZero said:
Because it contains the centre of the Mooncell "Angelica Cage", which may answer Hakuno's question as explained by that glasses guy and in part the teacher.

RedKaZero said:
The real question would be that why was saber there?

Sapphire_Fire said:

I don't believe that was ever stated.
The guy in glasses told Hakuno about Angelica Cage in the Incinerator room, but that doesn't mean Angelica Cage is in the Incinerator. Angelica Cage is what they call the center of the Moon Cell. I honestly doubt the center of Moon Cell is a hallway away from the school.


This is a good question, actually. I believe he summoned Saber, but what was Saber's sword doing there, just lying around.

Centurionzo_12 said:

In Extra CCC he can enter in a romance with Saber, Caster, Sakura and have hints with archer depending of what route you are playing, in the first the only real thing that change is what master Hakuno will fight and who will survive

RedKaZero said:
the teacher said that student's should not go near the ininerator because students were commiting suicide by loss of meaning because of intruding into the mooncell's composition from there.

ZBlastHistory said:


I never know Yaoi was a thing on CCC o.O or are you talking about female master?

Sapphire_Fire said:
The teacher warns people that even if they're interested in the composition, students to not go there, as people commit suicide after going in.
Shinji afterward explains what that room is. It's an abandoned building used as garbage dump where "you see horrible things, where nightmares befall you and trap you there".

Twice explained why that happens pretty well. That room is made of three layers. One, the abandoned building. Two, a texture of school. Three, the memories that everyone brought there.
It's the third one that causes the suicide. Rather than Moon Cell's core causing people to lose meaning, they see their own childhood traumas, because that's what makes one layer of that room, and it drives them to suicide.

In all of this, we have no real reason to believe Angelica Cage is nearby, in a garbage dump.

The reason I'm insisting that the Moon Cell's center isn't in that room is a bit of an Extra spoiler. I didn't want to spell it out.

Jk9 said:
Yeah it's always like that, the person who didn't seem to have a qualification to be a master, always gets a miracle and get the best servant (you know how Shirou or even Sieg get the power of their servants)...And now I'm confused, I'm really sure that this occur after Fate/Zero, but with Fate/Stay Night I'm not sure, there is Rin, Shinji, Sakura, and even Archer from Fate/Stay Night, but I don't really know, is this a new series and is there a relation with the other Fate series?
And for me the entrance of Saber in this show is still the best and the most elegant one, comparing to the other Fate series (ya if you remember how Weaver Velvet summon Rider from Fate/Zero).

Fabienne said:
Story aside for now, the animation quality is surprisingly bad, the blank backgrounds are awful.
Normally Shaft created visually more appealing worlds.

Jk9 said:
Yeah it's always like that, the person who didn't seem to have a qualification to be a master, always gets a miracle and get the best servant (you know how Shirou or even Sieg get the power of their servants)...And now I'm confused, I'm really sure that this occur after Fate/Zero, but with Fate/Stay Night I'm not sure, there is Rin, Shinji, Sakura, and even Archer from Fate/Stay Night, but I don't really know, is this a new series and is there a relation with the other Fate series?
And for me the entrance of Saber in this show is still the best and the most elegant one, comparing to the other Fate series (ya if you remember how Weaver Velvet summon Rider from Fate/Zero).

Fabienne said:
Story aside for now, the animation quality is surprisingly bad, the blank backgrounds are awful.
Normally Shaft created visually more appealing worlds.