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DigitalExile said: Kittens-kun said: Realistic doesn't mean "this applies to every person ever", it means "hey, I could see this happening and it probably does happen IRL" That's a hilarious logic, by your argument anyone who thinks fuuka or hand shakers having cheap drama are realistic can say "hey that's possible in real life! " Anyway kuzu is a much inferior version of nana, this anime touches the sensitive feelings and problems that most young people go through when they find real love/romance or fake love/romance that they don’t know how to deal with and the problems those feelings can lead to. While I appreciate the show for taking such an unusual path I cannot ignore the poor manner in which it was executed. I wish the show would have focused much more on the moral and emotional implications of these love acts, showing and thoroughly analyzing the psych of the characters rather than focusing on poor-taste sex scenes that seemed forced..without building up the characters as Fai pointed out. Having a realistic theme doesn't make it realistic execution btw. Feel free to come up with counter arguments which you have been unable to do until now. None of you have done so either. |
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Kittens-kun said: I think what the characters in this Anime go through is what people with mental disorders go through, I guess. Not normal people.Realistic doesn't mean "this applies to every person ever", it means "hey, I could see this happening and it probably does happen IRL" DigitalExile said: This.Anyway kuzu is a much inferior version of nana, this anime touches the sensitive feelings and problems that most young people go through when they find real love/romance or fake love/romance that they don’t know how to deal with and the problems those feelings can lead to. While I appreciate the show for taking such an unusual path I cannot ignore the poor manner in which it was executed. I wish the show would have focused much more on the moral and emotional implications of these love acts, showing and thoroughly analyzing the psych of the characters rather than focusing on poor-taste sex scenes that seemed forced..without building up the characters as Fai pointed out. Nana felt so real. Kuzu does not. Kuzu feels laughable. It's like the kind of series you watch just to see how badly the characters will fuck up. |
| Ooouuuu~ I like this ending :) lowkey wanted MugiXHana to happen, but this is more real haha. The bouquet rose from the bitch was pretty cute :3 8/10 |
| The anime started off hectic and ended hectic. Can't say that I didn't expect it to end that way and I'm happy that it did. |
| I like that Hanabi didn't end up with Mugi. Art and music was the best part of the show. |
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In the manga Akane says this. LOL. |
| In cases like these where the ending is something I am not familiar with or beyond my level to understand , it's only after reading the forums I am able to view different perspectives of looking into it. At first I had mixed feelings about the reason they both choose to be separated. But now I am closer to satisfaction.. Thanks to all the contributors here. |
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DigitalExile said: >Fai gives a fuking para on the characters >I give another para on it, more on comparison on what it lacked Lmao one-liner kid, go home and learn about how to make arguments. At least I had a healthy debate in AD about the same topic typing out the same thing, instead of "it's realistic", so many hate", "so many bs reviews", seriously this is hilarious. XD Tips- don't be close minded and learn how to actually take criticisms and respect other's opinion whether it's good or bad, you will do well in real life. Maybe learn from this guy https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1604168&show=100#msg50234903 Anyway I reported you for double posting which is against the rules, cya. Reported me? It won't do anything, but ok. Get back to me once you find a legitimate reason as to why the show is bad. |
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DigitalExile said: Kittens-kun said: Reported me? It won't do anything, but ok. Get back to me once you find a legitimate reason as to why the show is bad. Double posting is against the rules, ask the mods. Won't do anything tho since that is too trivial. >legit criticism Ooh anything others say bad= not valid criticism. My bad kek, I forgot that you don't know anything except typing one line I can bet that you can't even type out a single para with your own opinion about this show, except whining about who dislikes, points out what they didn't like and bitching at the reviews. Then why'd you even bother telling me that you reported me if you know nothing will happen? |
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DigitalExile said: Kittens-kun said: Then why'd you even bother telling me that you reported me if you know nothing will happen? Because it is against the rules and mods delete them occasionally, and I am telling you so that you don't do the same mistake again? m8 you need to really improve on your logic. "improve on your logic" How so? You're telling that you saying that you reported me, knowing that it would do nothing at all, is smart? |
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DigitalExile said: Kittens-kun said: "improve on your logic" How so? You're telling that you saying that you reported me, knowing that it would do nothing at all, is smart? I am telling you so that you don't repeat the same mistake again and be aware of the rules which you obviously aren't, does that makes sense? Do you lack comprehensive skills too or what? Read my post again kek BUT IT DOES NOTHING BECAUSE I WASN'T EFFECTED BY IT. Does that make sense? |
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DigitalExile said: Cool, who cares what you do with your life? I have no control over individuals, I just pointed out the mistakes which is against the rules and that's it. What you intend to do is totally upto you, nobody is stopping you from ad hominem, triple posts etc. Can't be ad hominem when none of you have presented a good argument. :3 |
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DigitalExile said: Yeah ikr, your first post Kittens-kun said: All the bs reviews on the front page I see. this is a great argument contributing to the valuable discussion in the front page of ep discussion. Please carry on, I love talking to fools like you <3 More than you could come up with. |
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| everything about this anime is just absolutely perfect. I truly think this is one of the few “masterpiece anime’s” that I have seen. the ending was good and i'm glad that it doesn't forced Hanabi and Mugi together. but... I'm confused somehow! the only sane person in this show was the Kanai sensei but the author completly destroyed him in episode 11. he accept her ''hobby'' and still love her unconditionally so easily! wtf! |
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| I'm impressed that Hanabi made it through all that drama with her virginity intact. LOL!! |
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Hannah_Ana said: I'm impressed that Hanabi made it through all that drama with her virginity intact. LOL!! I was impressed too... lol |
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| To all ya'll commenting about the realism. No, this show IS a little dramatic and over the top, but it is REALISTIC in terms of being consumed with emotion and romantic/physical attraction. Its about feelings between TEENAGERS (yes which includes being sexually frustrated and confused a lot). No its not perfect but its one of the best romances this season at LEAST |
| Xtina is my mother! |
| That was a very well done ending. Would have felt very wrong if they ended up together after all that happened. They both grew from the experience and became better people so at the end up the day it was a great ending. Plus... my waifu Akane got her happy ending so I'm super satisfied regardless! |
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| I knew it, they didn't end up together. all the trouble just to get rejected. the world is a cruel place. and I can pretty much relate to some of event in this anime, even though it didn't involved sex in my case. the story is good in it's own way, but the ending didn't come out as I hoped, the arts is good too, I hope more of anime using this kind of art style. the character looks reallly beautiful. so I give it 7/10. if only it ended up with Akane x Mugi and Hanabi x Kanai, I would give it 8/10, or maybe 9/10. |
| sigh...still wish Hana wasn't so trampled on through the series. i actually liked her character a lot super super glad she didn't end up with Mugi, i actually liked that ending a lot. a nice touch with Moca letting go and all that too overall, i thought this show was poorly executed but the ending was pretty nice |
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| ED song was great, but everything was overkill |
| Perfect ending. It was not the tragedy, or nice-boat I was hoping for, but it was a perfect ending. /cried Even though it wasn't "sad". It was very fitting for them to go their separate ways and I'm glad it ended the way it did. 9/10 (tempted to give this a 10... not sure... I just don't like to give out 10s too soon) Winter 2017 AOTS |
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| A bitter sweet ending, I half-expected it and I love it. If Mugi and Hanabi actually ended up together the hopeless romantic in me would have been really happy but the realist part of me would rage. So I have no complaints of how it all ended. It's depressing but in a good way. Over all this anime has been a refreshing watch from start to end. It was such a good change from most of the animes out there, I would want to watch more romances that are just like this. I can't say the plot itself is realistic (It's not cliche either, but rather... far-fetched?), but the characters, their decisions and reactions to each situations were and really that's what made this anime so interesting and enjoyable to watch. |
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| This was a really good show with problems. Still has some too. But strong animation and music really save the show. 8.5 out of 10 Also the last two eps fixed a lot of problems. Still this whole situation is really unrealistic. Edit: sorry it is being unrealistic knock it down a point 7 out of 10. |
MasterHavikApr 10, 2017 3:31 PM
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| Episode 11 blew my mind, it was an abomination. At first, I thought the story wasn't that bad, overdramatic, but still pretty decent. After a while, none of the characters are really likeable anymore, I felt disgusted, but okay, the story was tense, in a way it's a good thing. Then, episode 11 dropped. The character development for slutty sensei felt so cliche and lazy, and this episode destroyed the "onii-chan"/"sensei" character, from within. The whole scenario of "omg I expect him to act this way, he didn't, he caught my attention, omg he's now my fated one" is just so cringey, I've seen similar situation played out in so many other stories. The trope isn't bad if you apply it onto your own story, actually integrating it, not just slap it on the storyboard and call it a day. Sensei basically accepted a fucking whore without probing into her past first, lol, like I mean, if I had a crush on this lady who sleeps around all day all night, I'd want to know the reason and what may come out of this relationship and all that. I mean, it could be possible that sensei is just that fucking wild, but I doubt so, there wasn't even a hint of him being that kind of character, so I can only conclude he's a fucking walking plot device. Oh yah, that slut didn't just sleep around, she fucks with people's life too, basically a horrible personality, no idea how "I don't sleep around no more" change her nasty personality. There's also way too much smut/sex for my liking, it was purely fanservice and wasn't necessary for the story, as in they didn't need to show us. Really reminds me of Koi wo Suru no ga Shigoto desu, heard it's a requirement to have a sex scene in every chapter even though the story is perfectly fine without it. Looking at the author's MAL page, seems like she's a hentai writer, not too surprising, Kuzu no Honkai would make a great hentai, but not a legit anime. There's also way too much dialogue/narration for my liking, it's like the story is being narrated in the POV of the main characters instead of playing the scene out, it's kinda "tell, not show" rather than the opposite. Would make a great novel, not a great manga/anime. It also felt like the narrative of the story determine how the characters act instead of the way characters act determine the story. For example, the "love" in this show didn't feel genuine at all, it's like character A had to love character B even without a reason because the story required it. There's way too many character A loved B but B loved C, and C loved D and D loved E, and E loved A. Remember Ecchan's cousin? Dude got introduced for the sole reason of being a scapegoat for Ecchan. Dude appeared in like 2 episodes max lmao. I don't even know what that ending was even supposed to mean. It took them long enough to realize that romance isn't all life is about, by the way they acted, it's like the concept of friendship and family doesn't exist in this show, it's either you fuck me and marry me or you don't and fuck off. Actually, I am not even sure if they understood. I mean, I fully understand that loneliness that Hana faced, sometimes it just came all over me like a surge of wave, and there's nothing I can do about it, but not to the extent that you think about that shit 24 hours a day for the entire year. I have tons of issues with this show but it's just not worth it at this point. I feel disgusted with this show. |
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| Mugi didn't even talk to her for half a year? What a douchebag. And Akane is still a cunt, it's just that everybody seems okay with it. |
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| there were so many things i disliked abt this anime but well i quite enjoyed the last few eps. it was eh not so bad. 7/10. |
| I thought Kanai was the only normal character but turned out he was pretty messed up too. Pretty much Kanai was attracted to Akane because of her look too(like her mother), hence the love at first sight which he mentioned. Akane seemed wanted to test if his love is genuine or not and she want to try the 'wedding'(because she's bored of course). So Kanai and Akane coupling is not bad in my opinion though maybe they will divorce later if she become bored again. I was expecting Hanabi to develop like Akane but it seems suddenly the author to change her mind. It would become more interesting story I think. --- @aboynameddeath @ToG25thBaam I agree with you both. It seems that the author was too lazy or didn't know how to progress the story, very fast changing personality of the characters and many timeskips toward the end. |
LeonLanfordApr 16, 2017 11:02 AM
| Thankfully Kanai sensei is into netorare so he wouldn't mind his wife cheating on him, welp. Put that all aside, what a great series every episode had me wanting more, kinda played with my emotion a little bit. Great character development especially Akane sensei in the end she's just a lonely princess who has been led astray by her own desire. For the moment i thought Hanabi would end up with Mugi but thank God it didn't happen because it'd be so awkward after all those things, and it's kinda logical to fidn their true love since they don't love each other from the first or they won't move forward if they ends up together. Super realistic ending but that's why i like it. Overall score 8/10, great series will be missed |
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| Hmm, not quite what I expected. I read Hanabi and Mugi's relationship wrong. I thought they were falling in love in the midst of their shared circumstances. Rather than love, they seemed to develop an understanding. Particularly that moment when Hanabi mentions that they used words instead of physical contact. That makes me think that for the first time, they made a real connection. Not a romantic one either - in fact it's more profound precisely because it wasn't. It was no longer about licking each other's wounds, but sharing the stories of their lost first loves and agreeing to set out on their own respective journeys to discover what love really is. I have to say, Kuzu no Honkai really exceeded expectations. I thought I was just picking up another round of School Days with shock value, but it really delves into the human condition in a way rarely seen in anime. There was certainly plenty of meat to the cast. I could just as easily dedicate a paragraph to each character delving into their motives, personality, and psyche. But to cut it short, I think the best way to describe these characters is that they're damaged. Flawed though they may be, they're stumbling through life and trying to discover both who they are as well as who is right for them. 8.5/10, a particularly nice touch how the show ends with fireworks (hanabi). |
ZekkenshinApr 15, 2017 3:01 PM
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| Frankly I think it was great. An ending with Mugi and Hanbi being together could have been so excepted and would ruin the series realistic nature. Will wait for another series like it <3. |
| I really liked the series, but I think some important parts were overshadowed because of the huge amount of sex scenes. Every single character had good development, specially the MC. Best thing to note is that you clearly can find a lot of Akanes, Mugis and Norikos across our lives and that's very realistic to be put on the story because such personalities really exist. There's no one innocent (except maybe Kanai?). They're all humans with good and bad sides. A solid 7\10 for me. |
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otakuinhiding said: There's one thing that people who dislike this anime seem to misunderstand:these characters aren't your typical perfect people that you see in most anime. No, these are flawed, corrupt, broken, heartless, and most of all real characters. All these people I see giving this anime a 1 saying that all the characters are garbage and Moca is the best one. Yeah, Moca is the best anime character in this show, that's because she's the only anime character in this show. Everyone else is a real person. What you are hinting is that because the characters are unique it makes the series better? "Oh look the characters have a unique personality and behavior, this will score high in my books" 2nd example: "Look at this flawed, corrupt, broken, heartless character, I will be happy to watch more" Don't get me wrong, the anime is decent but I feel you misjudge the anime. |
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otakuinhiding said: The "they are real character" argument is so overused when it comes to unlikeable personality. The fans used one for Subaru from Re:Zero too. I've seen my fair share of flawed & broken characters, I like some and I dislike some, got nothing to do with them being real or not, and frankly, I don't give a crap about them being real. It doesn't put your opinion above mine, and I didn't misunderstand anything.There's one thing that people who dislike this anime seem to misunderstand:these characters aren't your typical perfect people that you see in most anime. No, these are flawed, corrupt, broken, heartless, and most of all real characters. All these people I see giving this anime a 1 saying that all the characters are garbage and Moca is the best one. Yeah, Moca is the best anime character in this show, that's because she's the only anime character in this show. Everyone else is a real person. It's a huge copout for Akane's character to find a guy like Kanai special, just because this guy doesn't want to screw you 24/7 doesn't make him any more special. The author needed a way to conclude her story and pretty much just find the lazy way out. It's also the same with Ecchan's infatuation with Hanabi, it was uncontrollable at one point but then all of the sudden, she just decided to stop being obsessed with her, and that's the end of it all. The twintail girl was just there to fill time, filler basically. Ecchan's cousin was introduced for the sole reason to be Ecchan's second choice, not a lot of characterization, one flashback, that's.. really all of it. The show just hasn't done a very good job developing these characters. (and I don't mean that in a traditional character development way - make them change, but rather how the characters grow with the story, adding more depth and personality) The whole thing is basically about uncontrollable sexual urge, "I want true love but my pussy/dick can't stop pulsating" kind of thing. |
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