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| Holy fuck this is pure garbage. I don't care if it's true to the source material, that just means that the source is shit too. |
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| And the Black sides's Berserker is now gone... not that that means much of anything, he just kind of showed up and destroyed stuff. At least the others seem to be enjoying themselves. A bit disappointing how Red Saber is now gone, but hopefully the Homonculus kid does something major to make up for the sacrifice. 2 of the 14 are now gone, only 12 servants remain... assuming I've been paying enough attention to remember everything correctly. |
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Moekou said: Code_Lies said: Yeah exactly, I mean, there are no interaction AT ALL between siegfried and the homonculus. Do siegfried really needed to randomly sacrifice himself for a random stranger? To be fair, it is often seen as more heroic to sacrifice yourself for a stranger, that's pure altruism, like how Kiritsugu saved and devoted the rest of his life to raising a random kid he never interacted with before. It wouldn't be as heroic if you were just helping out your friends and family rather than out of principles of chivalry/whatever honor code the hero abides by. Also reminds me a lot of Karna's lore, where he would give charity to just about any stranger needing it, even at great costs to himself. Kiritsugu had very good reasons in doing so tho? Siegfried literally never ever saw Sieg. The whole situation is just contrived overall - Higashide wanted the protagonist to start playing a role in story and did not bother to actually set it up better. Quite a bit of apo feels ike half-assed attempt at repeating things from FSN but without thought put into it and this situation is no different. IF Higashide wanted to do this nonsense(although if to be honest, the whole thing that happened should not have happened in the first place), it would have been easy to write the whole volume 1 in a way that explains and showcases Siegfried's motivations and why he would do this. Instead volume 1 pretends to bet fate/zero, with Siegfried or Mc-Kun for that matter barely getting any screentime at all so this just feels pointless and hollow. VxeR_ said: Holy fuck this is pure garbage. I don't care if it's true to the source material, that just means that the source is shit too. Well you are not wrong tbqh. Apo is generally regarded as one of worst parts of this franchise. And we are still in relatively "good" parts of it as opposed to the second half that is pretty much universally hated. |
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Fai said: Apo is generally regarded as one of worst parts of this franchise. And we are still in relatively "good" parts of it as opposed to the second half that is pretty much universally hated. Can you provide info where it is said that Apocrypha is considered worst of the franchise? As I have talked to many in the community and many like it. Even if the ending didn't make sense to many of them, the point stand that the people liked it. It's the reason it is getting adaptation right now even if it was finished just recently. Unlike Heaven's Feel which is gettign adaptation only now and it's not even an anime as it is not that popular in Japan. Also it helps that Apocrypha is mostly liked becasue of 3 things: Jeanne, Mordred and Astolfo. Pretty much how Fate it's entire popularity owns mostly to Saber. |
BrotherCoa said: Can you provide info where it is said that Apocrypha is considered worst of the franchise? Its opinion of most of people. Whether you check BL or japanese boards the most you will hear about it is "watch for the fights" or "watch if you like some character". Most of final volumes caused quite a shitstorm overall. There's a reason why the second half of Apo is regarded as a joke and why people approach with caution anything Higashide writes for Nasuverse(not that rest of current nasuverse output is that good mind you). At best its viewed as lost opportunity for something really cool. Even I am mostly following this for Moedred and her master scenes, as well as Semiramis. Unlike Heaven's Feel which is gettign adaptation only now and it's not even an anime as it is not that popular in Japan. A high budget movie series is still better than what UBW or fate(lol) got. Also Sakura is generally liked among japanese pop. Also it helps that Apocrypha is mostly liked becasue of 3 things: Jeanne, Mordred and Astolfo. I have yet to really see people who unironically like Astolfo, beyond joke posts(or trap-fans). Even if we ignore problematic aspects of the character, he is just irritating most of times. Which again is lost opportunity because with a better writer, Astolfo could have been a first non-binary Nasuverse character instead of a stereotype. Pretty much how Fate it's entire popularity owns mostly to Saber. Saber is popular character yes, especially in japan. But Saber is not the reason people like Fate overall or why the VN is so highly regarded among the readers. A good well liked character is not enough to propel a mediocre work. Not to mention |
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I did checked among my japanese friends and most of Fate forums in both Japan and west and most of the people liked it. True, I did not speak with 100% fan-base ( nor is that possible ) but from what I have seen you are the only one who trash it like that. Not that there are no people who hate it but I woudl really like to see data showing how vast majority of Fate fan-base hate Apocrypha's guts, even if it was quite successful in selling. A high budget movie series is still better than what UBW or fate(lol) got. Also Sakura is generally liked among japanese pop. 1. You do the movie only if you fear that the story itself is not popular enough to generate profit. And HF has been like that for years. They are only doing it to please the fans and nothing more. They even throw two additional Fate anime among HF airing just in case it is not that well deserved as they expect. And UBW anime got justice it deserved with Ufotable, even if there are parts I personally hate. 2. Sakura is liked but she is not popular, you can see that in Atraxia where she is represented as a joke character as not many liked her in HF or the route itself when it was released. And it shows in the official fan pooling, number 8 is very bad position for one of the 3 major Heroines. Saber is popular character yes, especially in japan. But Saber is not the reason people like Fate overall or why the VN is so highly regarded among the readers. A good well liked character is not enough to propel a mediocre work. Yes, there are many reasons why people like Fate but in the end characters are important factor that makes franchise, after all it is their charisma, personality and image that drives people toward that franchise and makes it great. Half-Life would be nothing without Freeman, Star Wars would be nothing without Vader, Halo would be nothing without Master Chief - Fate would be nothing without Saber. And it shows among her clones and even the fanbase. The company was forced by fans to deliver better ending for her in Realta Nua as fans asked for it, en mass. I get that you really hate Apocrypha but telling everyone here that most of the fanbase ( and that is a lot of people, millions ) hate it is a bit too far. Because if that was the case neither would LN sell as well as they did nor would Apocrypha got it's own anime series ( unlike HF and Strange/Fake ), nor woudl the reviews here be so positive so far - around 8 which is very high for anime review. |
| The part with Siegfried and Astolfo is not bad. The first half on the other hand.... It felt so rushed, especially the fight between Siegfried, Fran and Chiron vs Atalanta and Achilles. It feels like they rushed those so they can end it on Siegfried's sacrifice. |
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BrotherCoa said: dont bother with that guy prob have zero evidence that Japanese board considered to be the worst show since my friends oversea liked that show who is Japanese btw I did checked among my japanese friends and most of Fate forums in both Japan and west and most of the people liked it. True, I did not speak with 100% fan-base ( nor is that possible ) but from what I have seen you are the only one who trash it like that. Not that there are no people who hate it but I woudl really like to see data showing how vast majority of Fate fan-base hate Apocrypha's guts, even if it was quite successful in selling. A high budget movie series is still better than what UBW or fate(lol) got. Also Sakura is generally liked among japanese pop. 1. You do the movie only if you fear that the story itself is not popular enough to generate profit. And HF has been like that for years. They are only doing it to please the fans and nothing more. They even throw two additional Fate anime among HF airing just in case it is not that well deserved as they expect. And UBW anime got justice it deserved with Ufotable, even if there are parts I personally hate. 2. Sakura is liked but she is not popular, you can see that in Atraxia where she is represented as a joke character as not many liked her in HF or the route itself when it was released. And it shows in the official fan pooling, number 8 is very bad position for one of the 3 major Heroines. Saber is popular character yes, especially in japan. But Saber is not the reason people like Fate overall or why the VN is so highly regarded among the readers. A good well liked character is not enough to propel a mediocre work. Yes, there are many reasons why people like Fate but in the end characters are important factor that makes franchise, after all it is their charisma, personality and image that drives people toward that franchise and makes it great. Half-Life would be nothing without Freeman, Star Wars would be nothing without Vader, Halo would be nothing without Master Chief - Fate would be nothing without Saber. And it shows among her clones and even the fanbase. The company was forced by fans to deliver better ending for her in Realta Nua as fans asked for it, en mass. I get that you really hate Apocrypha but telling everyone here that most of the fanbase ( and that is a lot of people, millions ) hate it is a bit too far. Because if that was the case neither would LN sell as well as they did nor would Apocrypha got it's own anime series ( unlike HF and Strange/Fake ), nor woudl the reviews here be so positive so far - around 8 which is very high for anime review. |
Fai said: bet you only read the wiki and summary for the light novel in your mom basement BrotherCoa said: Can you provide info where it is said that Apocrypha is considered worst of the franchise? Its opinion of most of people. Whether you check BL or japanese boards the most you will hear about it is "watch for the fights" or "watch if you like some character". Most of final volumes caused quite a shitstorm overall. There's a reason why the second half of Apo is regarded as a joke and why people approach with caution anything Higashide writes for Nasuverse(not that rest of current nasuverse output is that good mind you). At best its viewed as lost opportunity for something really cool. Even I am mostly following this for Moedred and her master scenes, as well as Semiramis. Unlike Heaven's Feel which is gettign adaptation only now and it's not even an anime as it is not that popular in Japan. A high budget movie series is still better than what UBW or fate(lol) got. Also Sakura is generally liked among japanese pop. Also it helps that Apocrypha is mostly liked becasue of 3 things: Jeanne, Mordred and Astolfo. I have yet to really see people who unironically like Astolfo, beyond joke posts(or trap-fans). Even if we ignore problematic aspects of the character, he is just irritating most of times. Which again is lost opportunity because with a better writer, Astolfo could have been a first non-binary Nasuverse character instead of a stereotype. Pretty much how Fate it's entire popularity owns mostly to Saber. Saber is popular character yes, especially in japan. But Saber is not the reason people like Fate overall or why the VN is so highly regarded among the readers. A good well liked character is not enough to propel a mediocre work. Not to mention |
| Goodbye, Siegfried. You were a great hero indeed. |
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| This episode was awasome, make me love even more Astolfo but also make me feel really bad about Siegfried. I also like whatt are they doing with Rider and Archer of Red and Archer of Black as they are related somehow (I think) in the Greek mythology. The only "bad" thing i can think about this episode is that i missed Mordred... |
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| #Respect. I could only hear Siegfried's "final moments" in Archer Emiya's voice. Also, finally my boy Achilles; every Rider class is a bro nowadays lol. Hell, even Medusa in HF. |
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| LoL, "Trap of Argalia" Eh? what happened to the badass illustration of the golems and Kazikli Bey stopping Spartacus? Wow, the fights are so short, but not bad I guess... Also, Atalanta is cute. Sumanai-kun, sumanai to the very end... |
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| One of the best characters dead by episode 4.... *SLOW CLAP* And there aren't that many great characters in this thing to begin with... Jesus Christ.... |
| So now we can say that anime started :/ I hope ther's a lot of battles in the next episodes ! |
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Code_Lies said: StardustReverie said: Total shit, spartacus is the only good part of this episode. It don't take jannu's foresight to see that the MC will become a major mary sue. Already we have: Pink tranny rescuing him for some incomprehensible reason ("CUZ I WANTED TO LMAO") and a random passerby decides to sacrifice himself for no reason at all. Yeah exactly, I mean, there are no interaction AT ALL between siegfried and the homonculus. Do siegfried really needed to randomly sacrifice himself for a random stranger? The homonculus just got hit a bit by the fat guy's magic, by the look of it, it doesn't seem fatal. "Sieg sacrifice himself because he's a true hero" is too random for me. Even his 'sumanai' characters in FGO is better than here lel Siegmonculus body is similar to a baby's. This is why Blond Fat Guy's punch was fatal to him. Sumanai sacrificed himself because he wanted to save a person on his own will, not by saving a person because others asked for it |
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| That was quite a cool episode. I loved the fight and banter between Archer and Rider of Red against Saber, Berserker and Archer of Black. Really looking forward to Achilles vs Chiron. Real shame that Siegfriend ended up dying so soon, it was a really heroic death however and I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel at least a little emotional. While I was definitely hoping to see him in more fights and the full extent of his power, I guess he can at least pass out having done something for himself. Wonder what the Homunculus dude is gonna do now. Also Joan is <3 |
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| I love how Astolfo,out of all the characters, is the one with the most screentime and development. (I'm serious about this) Well Sieg is "dead" I suppose, I couldn't care less to be honest. Let's see how this series advances, but I would hate if the focus completely on Ruler/Homunculus instead of the interesting characters like Mordred,Karna and Kotoshirou. |
| "There's something wrong with this Holy Grail War, on a fundamental level!" No fucking shit, we all realised this when there were 14 Masters and 14 Servants fighting each other on teams. And then they called out infighting like it wasn't the norm. Anyway this show is interesting. I feel like it will quickly become rather hard to understand, though. Interesting turn of events for the homunculus. |
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| Random motivation to save a plot point. Good writing. Random motivation to sacrifice himself. Amazing. If my big chested abs eyecandy isn't coming back, I'm dropping this. |
| Annnnd it only continues to go downhill from here. Fate memes are the best. |
| I'm starting to get why people don't like this iteration... |
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Ketuekigami said: Anon1566 said: People shitting on Siegfried for acting in a way that makes sense in the context of how things go for him in the Nibelunlied. People shitting on Astolfo for acting according to his oaths as one of the 12 Peers. People preemptively shitting on MC because they did not read the original work and don't understand that the Counter Force is using him as an actor to prevent Amakusa from destroying the world, or simply because they let themselves be carried away by false spoilers, summaries, comments and/or opinions third parties fully based on personal preference and ended up being strongly influenced and affected by them. Any other points I forgot to add to this list of "how to spot a secondary?" Pretty much every FATE series anime thread. FATE series often have a slow start with the main plot point not revealed for a while. But secondaries are so impatient that, unless everything is explained to them in minute one, they can't follow the story. Just wait until F/E, these threads are gonna be cancer. Everyone fkng LOVED Alexanders stupidity, but when another character has their own personality and hardships they can't believe it. "Who would ever sacrifice themselves for someone else?!" It's almost as if these heroes have literal books written about them already detailing their personalities and trials, and they may act in accordance to those. Those characters rarely need to grow, because they are already complete characters, just in a different setting. I totally agree with you on that. Secondaries are so averse to reading that their minds can't even process subtitles. TwinDragonPanasu said: Siegmonculus body is similar to a baby's. This is why Blond Fat Guy's punch was fatal to him. Sumanai sacrificed himself because he wanted to save a person on his own will, not by saving a person because others asked for it The manga is being a lot more faithful to the source material than anime so far.  ****************************************************************************************************************************** Episode 5 Preview Source: http://fate-apocrypha.com/story/  |
Anon1566Jul 28, 2017 4:53 AM
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| If siegfried dies then wtf is the first episode revelation all about LOL |
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| Wait wut. I mean. It was alright but like. Already? o.o |
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Zuihou said: If siegfried dies then wtf is the first episode revelation all about LOL I'm just going to say it's a Flash Forward. I mean, be patient. Not everything should be explained instantly. |
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frenze12 said: Technically this was also the first time in a fate work when a servant actually went against their master. (Not counting Lancer who killed Kirei after having ordered to kill himself etc.) Did you forget Medea? |
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| What the hell was this ep? Felt sooo rushed. What was the point of berserker? What was the point of command spells? What was the point of 2v2 fight? (If you call it fight of course) This ep was reaaaly bad. |
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| Wow that punch though. Wasn't expecting that...Wasn't expecting Sieg to die that early either.. Yea the episode felt jumbled up and rushed. =/ Hope they can somehow patch this up in the next one. |
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| This show moves at breakneck speeds, needs more waifu Jeanne. |
| Good episode, but I was surprised the Homunculus could die in one punch. Then I see the manga above that he was actually beaten to death, which should have been animated tbh. So this was actually all based on the Light Novel. I was checking the Manga raws and it's only 3 volumes(didn't even made past the last scene of this episode). Can't wait for the next one! |
| The red Berseker was stupid...i don´t understand his action to attack to front!!! But the best was the Black Saber, gave his life for the Homonculus O_O He realized his wish!!!! ;) |
| The red Berseker was stupid...i don´t understand his action to attack to front!!! But the best was the Black Saber, gave his life for the Homonculus O_O He realized his wish!!!! ;) |
Well, he's a Berserker. He's insane. He also has a bit of obsession with facing "oppressors" head on, since he's Spartacus after all. |
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| > OMG This is the start of Alfonso x Siegfried ship. > damn. that's the end of the ship. > what an anticlimax. |
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| And the cool Siegfried is gone to give his life away to save the future boring MC... |
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| This series is full of twists, stuff I never dreamed of seeing in an anime series of Fate. However, the atmosphere remains a bit too cramped, there is not that aura of severity seen in so many series of Type-Moon. I hope that the characterization of the characters, accelerate a little bit, I feel the need. |
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