| Biologically a man when you finish puberty (full height and pubic hair growth stops increasing). Culturally, that's a different story and is incredibly subjective. In that sense, people are dictating what you must do in order to prove you are fully matured. This seems to stem from primal tribe cultural, where you would start carrying the same weight as all the other men and nobody would cut you any slack. Different cultures would say going on a successful hunt, your first kill in war, starting a profession, getting married and having a family, or something else of a similar nature. With a society and cultures as diverse as the west is, people tend to have some very different ideas of what maturity even means. Matrimony is probably the most laughable measuring stick for "maturity", as literally any idiot can get hitched and/or pop out some kids. Since most of us will never kill anyone or probably won't go hunting (we do in Texas, though) it's also difficult to gauge. I would say supporting yourself financially and in other ways (caring for your own home/apartment without needing someone else to do it for you) is a better measuring stick. My dad is 59 and cannot cook, clean, or do laundry for himself...that is immaturity in my books. |
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Seiya said: It's 2017. Stop telling men to act like men, and women to act like women. The only reason people act this way, is due to social stigmas, and poor parenting. Most people in North America in 2017 are more comfortable outside what's considered "gender roles." Only right-wing conservative idiots would think that gender roles are okay. Who said that you have to fulfill traditional roles in order to be a "real" man or woman? At the end of the day, people choose to do what they want, and as you are free to not live according to traditional roles, others are free to do it. Just because you think gender roles are cancerous doesn't mean others think so. |
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Seiya said: Kotoneko-chan said: Who said that you have to fulfill traditional roles in order to be a "real" man or woman? At the end of the day, people choose to do what they want, and as you are free to not live according to traditional roles, others are free to do it. Just because you think gender roles are cancerous doesn't mean others think so. Yeah, but you can't go shoving gender roles down peoples' throats. That's the problem with society. You're not from North America, so perhaps society is still backwards and archaic where you live. As far as I know, nobody is putting a gun to your head, forcing you to fulfill gender roles so please, don't play victim. Why can't you accept that some people are happy with traditional roles? You are not better than those "conservative idiots" you mentioned, who try to force people to live according those stated roles. |
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Seiya said: AyameTomoko said: So every person that has ever gone down the passive traditional route in a relationship has been raised wrong? While I agree that no one should be forced into a role, the supposed wrong way to live is against the will of the individual party. Whether that individual is indirectly influenced by their parents or not is something that you can't and shouldn't be able to control. If I had a female partner who wanted to get married and stay at home taking care of the house and kids, I'd be completely fine with that. I wouldn't care either way because it's not my decision. If I had a daughter who wanted to have a traditional husband and wife family, I wouldn't tell her no, and vise versa for that as well. So basically, you want men to go to work, and for women to stay at home and live off their money? Can't you see how wrong that is? holy fuck you moron, theres literally nothing wrong with that if they both want it that way |
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Seiya said: AyameTomoko said: If that's what they want. Not me. I don't have any say in this. Stop telling people how they should live is what I say. I'm for both passive traditional and non-traditional gender roles. In the end, neither you or me should get a say in how people decide to structure their relationships. The changing ways in which children are raised will change everything, whether you like it or not. Ikaros_42oh said: holy fuck you moron, theres literally nothing wrong with that if they both want it that way Do you want to be reported? hahaha ok sure if it makes you feel better or w/e just know theres nothing wrong with a man working and women raising relationship. |
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Seiya said: Ikaros_42oh said: hahaha ok sure if it makes you feel better or w/e just know theres nothing wrong with a man working and women raising relationship. There's nothing wrong with a woman working and men raising either, but how come society tries to make it seem wrong? because for pretty much all of human history that's how it was because nearly all of the jobs were physical. Thus it made sense for the men to do what they're better at just for efficiency if anything. society can't change that fast when its so ingrained into the culture and i don't think society sees it as wrong today nearly as much. cool your jets. |
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| Good Question and if I recall correctly, there was even a German Song about it. There's also an English Version which asks "What makes a Man a Man?" instead of "When is a Man a Man?" to sound more in Line with the Original. |
| I don't believe in upholding traditional gender roles, so I think the question in general is irrelevant. I am a male, but I don't identify myself as a "real man". I am simply a human being with my own flaws, strengths and characteristics. I don't like the the idea that someone isn't a "man" unless he does silly ritual-like activities. I dislike masculinity in general. |
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| According to anime it's when he experiences immense amounts of physical pain, preferably in the process of "protecting" a kawaii uguu-chan from... something. Or like, fighting a bully or a random badguy or something (even better if it's a bully who attempts RAPE or otherwise tries to harm uguu-chan) and getting his ass kicked hard. The important thing is he needs to suffer. Only suffering, anguish, misery and horrible horrible pain can make a male mature into a man. Remember, when a male character say, around 14 or 15, doesn't want to suffer tremendously for little to no reason, and protests when bad things happen to him, he's a big wimpy whiny annoying piece of shit pussy, worst character to ever exist, and he deserves to die. |
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| When he has a wife and kids. And of course works to support his family That's what it means to be a man |
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. | You know what I hate the most? People who aren't free. They're no more than cattle. |
loser said: there are plenty of "manly" features people like but becoming a man is just when you can take care of yourself without the help of others I'm not sure if I've ever met a person who is able to do this. I have however met men who are full of hot air. Empty barrels make the loudest noise after all. |
| When a boy reaches adulthood. |
| When he finishes his vegies like one |
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| when they didn't open the door for the girl and raise their hair up to Jesus. |
Seiya said: That kind of blind hate is not something you're born with, it's a learned trait, I pity you in a way. And you really don't have a leg to stand on calling someone homophobic (which they weren't) when you are spewing such viciously hateful sexist drivel? You said in another thread how you wanted to implement a rule to see every woman's mouth sewn shut with wire for fucks sake haha.Hating on someone based on their sexual orientation is a horrible thing to do. If that's the case, you're no better than me. I can't help that I hate vaginas. This is how I was born. |
| When he learns to keep his head screwed on and his feet on the ground, and when he has the confidence to walk forward into his life together with a reasonable attitude towards those that he meets. |
Interrrrrpetgyu said: This person has it figured out, right here When he impregnates another man's butt. |
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Seiya said: I could say that men do nothing but rape women and draw dicks on everything but I'm not a moron and know that's not true. False rape allegations are extremely rare and the women who do partake in falsely accusing someone are complete scumbags. I have never met a single person in real life who has done this though, have you? I have, however, met quite a few rapists/harassers, but somehow I don't hate all men. Regardless of gender though, you can be an asshole no matter if you're a girl or a fucking plum.RDW said: That kind of blind hate is not something you're born with, it's a learned trait, I pity you in a way. And you really don't have a leg to stand on calling someone homophobic (which they weren't) when you are spewing such viciously hateful sexist drivel? You said in another thread how you wanted to implement a rule to see every woman's mouth sewn shut with wire for fucks sake haha. I hate women because I hate my mother. My mother hates men, and has approximately 44 cats in the house, and I'm still living with her, which is the most stressful thing in the world. I don't trust women, because they do nothing but make false rape allegations and hoard cats. I will never, ever trust a woman. I understand you've had shitty experiences living with your mum, and it truly sounds like an unhealthy environment for you to be in. But just because your mum has a certain twisted view of the world, that doesn't mean all women think the same as her. It's ignorant to lump 50% of the population together because of personal experiences. What if it was your father instead of your mother, would you hate men instead? I'm not trying to change your mind or anything, I just find it hard to understand how someone could have so much hate bottled up inside them for so many people that have done nothing wrong to them. |
| Wow, so many things to comment on here. Seiya is right about women to some degree. OBVIOUSLY vaginas are disgusting, but so are penises, and that doesn't make women or men bad people. Seiya would understand that penises are also disgusting, if he wasn't suppressing that knowledge in order to gratify his intense lust for faggot dick. He's also right that most women are feminist pieces of shit who either make false rape allegations or enable those who do- but that doesn't mean all females should be categorically dismissed as evil. Feminism may be "politicized female nature" to some degree, but everyone has their own individual nature, and environment matters. Women who were raised in homes with good fathers tend to be much less given to the hateful, evil ways of feminism than ones who never had a dad. They also tend to be much less whorish. Seiya is wrong about gender roles. People shouldn't feel overly bound by gender roles, but in a free society, nothing consensual would be "abolished". I actually think there are good reasons for most gender roles, they just shouldn't be absolute. False rape accusations are not extremely rare. They're quite common, especially if you count situations where men go to jail for having consensual sex with drunk/high women (when the reverse would almost never happen). Being a "harasser" is not in any way morally equivalent to being a rapist. Something as innocent as calling a women a cunt or a dyke can be considered sexual harassment. Not exactly the same as rape. I think up to 3 cats might be ok. Probably 2 would be better. |
| "My only agenda is to eviscerate any who might try to rule over and control me"- Sousuke Aizen "Maybe, just maybe, there is no purpose in life... but if you linger a while longer in this world, you might discover something of value in it"- Orochimaru "All men are not created equal... both in birth and in upbringing, in sheer scope of ability, every human is inherently different"- Charles zi Britannia We are the Contra Mundi. We serve the great inimical Goddess who in her own time will destroy the world. Tremble, reprobates, in fear of her pitiless gaze. |
| When is a man a man? To be a man you must have honor... honor and a penis. |
| "My only agenda is to eviscerate any who might try to rule over and control me"- Sousuke Aizen "Maybe, just maybe, there is no purpose in life... but if you linger a while longer in this world, you might discover something of value in it"- Orochimaru "All men are not created equal... both in birth and in upbringing, in sheer scope of ability, every human is inherently different"- Charles zi Britannia We are the Contra Mundi. We serve the great inimical Goddess who in her own time will destroy the world. Tremble, reprobates, in fear of her pitiless gaze. |
| what the fuck is this this thread which is about a typical shitty shonen anime question |
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| There's no right of passage; you just kinda wake up one day and know. As for the most common reply; Everyone needs to support themselves if they don't they're either homeless or they're getting spoonfed and might as well not even exist as far as I'm concerned. If you want to be a man you need to grin and bear the bullshit nobody else wants to. You need to enjoy pain. You need to understand the meaning of life. You need to have a drivers license and a car but also ride your bike whenever you can. You need to have money. You need to be a savage animal and an absolute gentleman. You need to have a glorious beard and be clean shaven at the exact same time. You need to drive a beater ass pickup truck and a GTO. You need to teach gardening and agriculture on the weekends and coach pewee hockey on weeknights. You need to be the strong silent type and the life of the party. You need to have balls of steel and fuck like a racehorse. You need to wipe with 50 dollar bills and cut coupons. You need to fart loud in public and also smell like expensive cologne. You need to party hard and be straight laced. You need to watch anime and the nfl draft at the same time. and so much more. |
Fo said: There's no right of passage; you just kinda wake up one day and know. As for the most common reply; Everyone needs to support themselves if they don't they're either homeless or they're getting spoonfed and might as well not even exist as far as I'm concerned. If you want to be a man you need to grin and bear the bullshit nobody else wants to. You need to enjoy pain. You need to understand the meaning of life. You need to have a drivers license and a car but also ride your bike whenever you can. You need to have money. You need to be a savage animal and an absolute gentleman. You need to have a glorious beard and be clean shaven at the exact same time. You need to drive a beater ass pickup truck and a GTO. You need to teach gardening and agriculture on the weekends and coach pewee hockey on weeknights. You need to be the strong silent type and the life of the party. You need to have balls of steel and fuck like a racehorse. You need to wipe with 50 dollar bills and cut coupons. You need to fart loud in public and also smell like expensive cologne. You need to party hard and be straight laced. You need to watch anime and the nfl draft at the same time. and so much more. Will this be on the exam? Should I be taking notes? Can we have man class outside? |
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| when i'm inside op's girl........................... gottem |
Interrrrrpetgyu said: When he impregnates another man's butt. Damn, I must of become a man years ago then. |
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| Yeah I like to keep it simple. If you got dangly bits between your legs and need to mow the lawn down there, you are a man. If you don't have dangly bits between your legs and are a baldy, you have no credibility to talk about who or what a man is. |
| idk about you but the closer a girl gets to looking like ronald mcdonald, the more aroused i become. CAV where can we cast our eyes to @PoruMairu who thinks of himself a member of the true church. Helion. |
| Come on, it should be the only universal thing we all agree on: when he has his characteristic reproductive organs. Everything else is thin air. |
| I hate it when boys are tying to act so masculine and they're like hey everybody I'm an alpha and stuff! god that's just so annoying and gay. |
Seiya said: If you feel you would go out of your way to help a woman or if you make friends with women then you definitely do not hate them. And I agree, I wouldn't want to date a woman either haha. RDW said: I could say that men do nothing but rape women and draw dicks on everything but I'm not a moron and know that's not true. False rape allegations are extremely rare and the women who do partake in falsely accusing someone are complete scumbags. I have never met a single person in real life who has done this though, have you? I have, however, met quite a few rapists/harassers, but somehow I don't hate all men. Regardless of gender though, you can be an asshole no matter if you're a girl or a fucking plum. I understand you've had shitty experiences living with your mum, and it truly sounds like an unhealthy environment for you to be in. But just because your mum has a certain twisted view of the world, that doesn't mean all women think the same as her. It's ignorant to lump 50% of the population together because of personal experiences. What if it was your father instead of your mother, would you hate men instead? I'm not trying to change your mind or anything, I just find it hard to understand how someone could have so much hate bottled up inside them for so many people that have done nothing wrong to them. Listen, I'm relatively friendly to women when I see them in public. Just yesterday, a woman I passed in Wal-Mart couldn't reach an item high up on a shelf, so she asked me if I could, and I happily reached it for her without a second thought. I can chat to women, and be "just friends" with them, and none of them would ever guess that I dislike women at all. But no matter what happens, I will never be in a romantic or sexual relationship with a female, and I'm not hurting anyone by "evading" women this way. Judge assholes based on the individual, not as a whole gender. And no of course you're not hurting anyone by evading women. You will hurt them, however, if you decide to implement your rule of sewing women's mouths shut with wire and continue to spout viciously hateful nonsense like that. |
RDWJun 4, 2017 5:00 AM
Loxiney said: I would rather say "When you can take care of yourself" + and your family (meaning wife and kids) + "without help from anyone else". You're a man if you're able to protect your family members no matter what. Being with them and trying to do your best for them. And if you have no family? That's a pretty bullshit definition for people who just haven't found any family. You could be 40 and single and you're definition means they aren't MEN. |
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