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| Was it actually a reveal or a tease? Konatsu didn't make it clear either way and saI'd that everyone else it concerned beside her was dead so there was no point in discussing it. It could be taken either way, although it would make more sense to simply say no if it wasn't true though. Can anyone confirm from the manga? |
Ysad_Ziwezhan said: Or maybe the mangaka is clever enough to let the possibility for some readers to live in denial if they want to. I don't see so many people here commenting "how fun! she tried to make us believe Shin is Yokumo's son! Ha hah! good one!". And then, true, similarity in behaviour or rakugo is no indication they are blood related, but to draw their eyes the same way is. One can always fool himself believing they are just pushing "the joke" a step further with the art, but then it's pushing it until bad writing. The "same face" point makes sense if they are hinting toward the father-son relationship, it becomes a weird comedy show if not. Do you believe they have such a shitty humor? On the other hand, it's almost not realistic (and bad writing) how the son does not notice he has the same face as his true father (there might be somewhere some photos from Yakumo as he was young) and if it's obvious for us, it should be as well for most af the protagonists. Furthermore it always bugged me how the biological father issue from Shinosube's perspective was totally ignored in this story, even if we suppose the Yakuza is the father. As a kid you might want to know who your biological father is and know him a bit more personally. There was nothing in this regard but they didn't explore the love-hate romance between Yakumo and Konatsu either. It's more convenient and less controversial that way. Well, it stands to reason that Shin thinks Yakumo is his biological grandfather. Just as no one told him that Yotaro wasn't his biological father, it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that no body mentioned to him that Yakumo wasn't Konatsu's biological father. |
Loved this series, so sad to see you go, as for the revelation, it WAS hinted at. In episode 3 right after Yota confronted the Mob Boss this scene still stuck in my mind. Konatsu spoke with the mistress about something that was never answered. She tells her to just keep it to herself. Keep what to herself? obviously the true parentage of Shinnosuke's father. Go ahead and rewatch the scene again. Unless they where talking about something else then this confirms it since it was the only string left loose in the plot by the time we got to the end. I don't think it's gross since Konatsu never saw him as a father, and I don't think Bon ever saw her as a daughter. Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean these things don't happen in real life. This is a story to be told, not a fulfillment for the audience to project on. You can think it's gross but it was hinted at and is real. |
DarshiaMar 25, 2017 7:58 AM
| OMG, everyone turned so old, but what a brilliant finale! I'm going to miss this wonderful show, it's been a great and emotional ride. 10/10. |
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| A truly mesmerising finale. The whole episode felt so utterly satisfying, the production team definitely managed to wrap the story up nicely. While the plot devices were undeniably superb, the style of utilising them was even more so. Particularly as during his performance of Shinigami, the Ninth Generation managed to meet his predecessor. That scene along with his acting sent shivers down my spine, at least as much as Eight Generation's did. Final insights into the characters' backgrounds were charming as well, particularly Matsuda's. Who could have though the art of storytelling could be this enjoyable? The series has secured a spot (or rather two, for both seasons) in the list of my all-time favourites. Even more importantly, the story touched my very core. A tear or two were shed. I'd love to see a spin-off OVA (or more), to outline the fates of Konatsu's children. |
Sukeroku said: my thoughts exactly when Yakumo appeared during "Shinigami" lolTEN TEN TEN TEN 10/10. |
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akisame__ said: Ysad_Ziwezhan said: Or maybe the mangaka is clever enough to let the possibility for some readers to live in denial if they want to. I don't see so many people here commenting "how fun! she tried to make us believe Shin is Yokumo's son! Ha hah! good one!". And then, true, similarity in behaviour or rakugo is no indication they are blood related, but to draw their eyes the same way is. One can always fool himself believing they are just pushing "the joke" a step further with the art, but then it's pushing it until bad writing. The "same face" point makes sense if they are hinting toward the father-son relationship, it becomes a weird comedy show if not. Do you believe they have such a shitty humor? On the other hand, it's almost not realistic (and bad writing) how the son does not notice he has the same face as his true father (there might be somewhere some photos from Yakumo as he was young) and if it's obvious for us, it should be as well for most af the protagonists. Furthermore it always bugged me how the biological father issue from Shinosube's perspective was totally ignored in this story, even if we suppose the Yakuza is the father. As a kid you might want to know who your biological father is and know him a bit more personally. There was nothing in this regard but they didn't explore the love-hate romance between Yakumo and Konatsu either. It's more convenient and less controversial that way. Okay, so if that's the case then how come Mangetsu looks eerily similar to a young Kikuhiko? His behaviour is even more similar to Kikuhiko's (see scene where Matsuda is driving him home after Kiku's heart attack). This. I thought so too all along... especially after Mangetsu told Kontasu (at the hospital) "so you're finally looking at me?" O_O |
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| This is easily one of the best TV shows (not only anime) that I´ve seen for a very long time, probs to the Voice Actors they did an amazing job giving the characters colour. So the years passed by and we are at the present time, Shin-chan grew up to be like Yakumo and even got a little sister. They are reviving the old theatre thanks to the support of numerous rakugo fans and also trying to break traditions of east/west, men/women, young/old. Yotaro´s performance of "Shinigami" was well done even getting "acknowledged" by Yakumo representing shinigamie saying "You can now see it too". So basically, Yotaro finally reached Yakumo´s level. Now the only thing I highly dislike -just the thought disgusts me- is the apparent reveal of Yakumo being Shin-chan´s father. I know we had many rather "strange" moments like Konatsu being hugged by him or lying next to him in bed but I never even imagined an romantic aspect in it. He basically raised her as she was a small child maybe even took baths with her so they should´ve desexualized by the time she was a grown up woman. The huge age difference makes it even worse. It seems that to be thing in japan since a certain manga I´ve read had a similar conclusion. All in all it was a fun time seeing these characters interact, lets hope we gonna see another piece of art like this 10/10 EASILY. |
| Holy shit I've never wanted to rate something over 10 so much. As for Yakumo x Konatsu... reading the posts here make me doubt myself. But I'm surprised I'm fine both ways. Shin can carry on both the Yakumo and Sukeroku bloodline if the viewer wants. The blood father of the child is not 100% confirmed in this case, so it's really up to the viewer. In the end though, Shin's father is Yota and everyone knows that. -- The first season of rakugo was fantastic - I loved it and expected a similar quality series from the second season. That was true for about the first half, although I thought I was quite fond of the series and characters because I liked it even more. However, the second half of the second season blew me away. Holy moly. Consistently good, emotional, dramatic, each and every episode built on itself and I was almost scared to watch each episode because I didn't want to be disappointed the next one. The expectation bar just kept getting higher and higher. Yet S2 of Rakugo lived up to all my high expectations. I've been crying and grinning for all these episodes, it's crazy. The finale was perfect. I thought I wouldn't like it since endings do tend to leave me unsatisfied, but I think this was perfect, with plenty of closure. We see our family of rakugo performers; the young and old, Konatsu (female), the other rakugo performers... everyone coming together and the way the series covered a whole generation of events was fucking fantastic. We see rakugo being continued, and the influence that Yakumo has had over all of them. When Yota decided to perform Shinigami, I was clinging to the edge of my seat because there's so many bad things associated with the piece, but it was fabulously incorporated. Half-way through, I honestly cried when I started thinking back on what has happened all these episodes. The imagery, camera angles, scenery, and character movements were amazing... I didn't notice so much in S1, but S2 did it spectacularly. I found myself reading into scenes and appreciating the directing decisions that went into this. There was so much love and attention put into the production of this series and I'm so happy for it. When the hell am I going to find something as amazing as this show again? I have no idea. But this show inspires me to keep watching for years to come in hopes of finding another gem like this. <3 |
MirorinMar 25, 2017 2:38 PM
| At the end of s1 episode 13 where Yakumo attends Sukerokus grave and sees his ghost he asks Sukeroku: <Are you angry over what i did to your daughter?> As I already stated, there is place to interpretation in Japanese. Konatsu turnout to be a rebellious Tom Boy and not a refined lady, the way he say it, I'm not sure if it's what he did to her or how she turned out. |
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| I had the impression that the author wanted Shin and Bon lovechild and used Konatsu as surrogate mother. Really it was not needed in the story, he didn't need to have both blood lines, having Sukeroku blood and being raised partly by Yakumo was enough. He didn't need to be a mix of both of them, he could be better than them and meanwhile keeping the charisma of Sukeroku and the refinement of Yakumo. Hinting he was maybe Yakumo child for some silly reason, just opened more doors and changed the story. I was wondering if the author didn't take us for idiot kids. She killed Shin, made his grandson looking like a mini Shin, then killed Yakumo and made the same kid looking like him. Like saying : See, I brought them back! Be happy! Not only he took Kiku stage name (which is ok) but his father also calls him Bon, his face, voice and manners are totally different than 16 years ago and look like Yakumo. People change, but could he at least look more like that kid of 6 yo and not just a copy of Yakumo. I was expecting more, I wanted an original new character not a reincarnation of death people. I loved that show but all big revelations seems there just to keep us watching and not thought at all. It was almost like a soap opera. I would have cut out the rumor part and made her talk about her death parents instead, like she knew all along it was her the culprit but still hold Yakumo for being responsible. And how konatsu turned out to look like the mistress in just 16 years when she was still young? It's a wonder. |
AnnickMar 25, 2017 8:58 PM
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| An extra chapter is included in the final volume and it confirms that Yakumo is the biological father. |
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| This anime, seasons 1 & 2 i would consider a masterpiece. I loved everything about it from beginning to end. Im so sad to see it end, im very thankful though that they made such a beautiful anime that taught me many things about rakugo and life in general. 10/10 for me no question. |
| well Ifelt I little betrayed that they made us realise that kid was actuaLLy Yakumo's son and all...this was so unrel but he timeline shift was appreciated |
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MASTERPIECE 10/10 with sangatsu and this now being over i think i will have to wait for a long time til i get anime of this quality again. makes me kinda sad |
Galaxy__Mar 25, 2017 3:55 PM
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Darshia said: Loved this series, so sad to see you go, as for the revelation, it WAS hinted at. In episode 3 right after Yota confronted the Mob Boss this scene still stuck in my mind. Konatsu spoke with the mistress about something that was never answered. She tells her to just keep it to herself. Keep what to herself? obviously the true parentage of Shinnosuke's father. Go ahead and rewatch the scene again. Unless they where talking about something else then this confirms it since it was the only string left loose in the plot by the time we got to the end. I don't think it's gross since Konatsu never saw him as a father, and I don't think Bon ever saw her as a daughter. Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean these things don't happen in real life. This is a story to be told, not a fulfillment for the audience to project on. You can think it's gross but it was hinted at and is real. When it happens in real life, people go to jail...;) joke It may happen, but how many step-dads, adoptive fathers feel that way in real life? Not that much. We had a nice complicated relationship already, there was no need for more drama, it seems that in anime we just can't have normal family relationship, we always need sexual innuendo, and I'm so fed up with this. I saw it countless of time already. When they started talking about that rumor I just wanted them to shoot me already, not because I was too shocked but because it was so cheesy, easy and cheap that I couldn't stand it anymore. If she really wanted to show us that relationship just do it right . How do you think it happened? She hated him before the birth, after the birth, had the child for the sake of rakugo, out of revenge in a way and to push Yakumo to continue rakugo when he didn't seem to need it at that time, what a lame excuse and what about him? He went with the flow? As always? Perhaps it was a taboo relationship but it's not what annoyed me, what annoys me is that it was so bad the way they brought it and it didn't bring anything to the story. I think I would have believed it more if it was the other way, she was Bon's daughter and ended up having a kid with Shin. I thought it was out of character for both of them and I didn't buy it, whatever the author intentions, to me she failed telling that part of the story and didn't convince me at all. The job of the author is to bring us somewhere right? She did a great job in general but there were some times where she lost me, that almost revelation was one. If I was the editor I would have made her re-write it, if you want Bon to be the father and having that kind of relationship with Konatsu, go, show me, convince me...It just didn't work. It was not the point of the story, the point was just to make Shin and Bon baby and create a rakugo monster in the end -__________- . Like if blood matters, like it's how people inherit their talents. I feel like a Star Wars fan after the Phantom Menace. Sorry to be annoying but I wanted moooooooore. That anime would have been almost perfect without the unnecessary twist plots. |
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shoujos said: An extra chapter is included in the final volume and it confirms that Yakumo is the biological father. Hurrah........-____________- |
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akisame__ said: Ysad_Ziwezhan said: Or maybe the mangaka is clever enough to let the possibility for some readers to live in denial if they want to. I don't see so many people here commenting "how fun! she tried to make us believe Shin is Yokumo's son! Ha hah! good one!". And then, true, similarity in behaviour or rakugo is no indication they are blood related, but to draw their eyes the same way is. One can always fool himself believing they are just pushing "the joke" a step further with the art, but then it's pushing it until bad writing. The "same face" point makes sense if they are hinting toward the father-son relationship, it becomes a weird comedy show if not. Do you believe they have such a shitty humor? On the other hand, it's almost not realistic (and bad writing) how the son does not notice he has the same face as his true father (there might be somewhere some photos from Yakumo as he was young) and if it's obvious for us, it should be as well for most af the protagonists. Furthermore it always bugged me how the biological father issue from Shinosube's perspective was totally ignored in this story, even if we suppose the Yakuza is the father. As a kid you might want to know who your biological father is and know him a bit more personally. There was nothing in this regard but they didn't explore the love-hate romance between Yakumo and Konatsu either. It's more convenient and less controversial that way. Okay, so if that's the case then how come Mangetsu looks eerily similar to a young Kikuhiko? His behaviour is even more similar to Kikuhiko's (see scene where Matsuda is driving him home after Kiku's heart attack). You might make a point but the similarity didn't strike me the way it did with that shot of Shinnosuke right before he started his Rakugo. It was like seeing someone that was supposed to be dead already. Second, with your "theory" it looks like they forgot to put the "bad comedy" tag. I don't think the mangaka has such a bad taste as to make this kind of "joke" in the last episode. Actually it's quite interesting that people are so uncomfortable with this part of the story that they come with the "she's joking" argument. Well then, I don't have the same humor at all. |
shoujos said: An extra chapter is included in the final volume and it confirms that Yakumo is the biological father. What extra? The little 2 pages comic? A whole chapter? |
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Annick said: What extra? The little 2 pages comic? A whole chapter? It's a whole chapter. It take's place when Konatsu is a teenager. |
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shoujos said: Annick said: What extra? The little 2 pages comic? A whole chapter? It's a whole chapter. It take's place when Konatsu is a teenager. Thank you! I will try to find it. |
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Edocchi said: Those four 1/5s are probably from those who dont get enough for 12 episodes It's from people who were still waiting for that yaoi scene that never happened :'( |
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| [quote=akisame__ message=50111900] shoujos said: Eh? If she's a teenager in the extra chapter how does it confirm it? Konatsu made a move on the Yakuza Boss when she was a teenager, but he turned her down because she was a kid + he could never go for her in general because she's the adopted daughter of Yakumo and he respects him too much to do that so that immediately cancels out the possibility of him being the father. We also have a scene that confirms that Konatsu was in love with Yakumo in the past, and that Yakumo is well aware of this. Yakumo also tells Sukerooku's ghost that he's going to face Konatsu "as another human being" when she grows older which implies he's going to confront her about her feelings. |
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| Finally its over... No need to waste time watching this crap anymore. |
dm106 said: Reading through the comments in this discussion makes me really sad. Reminds me of how westerners apply their own judgement on other cultures like is the only way to go in the whole world... Also how much are they missing of the story and what the author wants to tell with it. What a shame. This is why I skip most of the discussions in this site, don't wanna read comments like "what's wrong with you Japan", anime is japanese get over with it. Well, I couldn't resist commenting on this masterpiece so it's my fault. What they show in anime and what they really think it's not the same. Even the sensei says it, relationships with adoptive or step-parents even not blood related are forbidden in Japan, so I don't think it's in their culture but they like forbidden love stories in fiction. Just like people including Westerners think Killing Stalking is really romantic. XD |
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| Now that I have calmed down. Did you notice the name of the sister? Koyuki! One of the name Sukeroku mentioned when he talked about how he chose Konatsu name. So Koyuki is born in winter! |
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| OMG this show is so perfect. I knew the second season had potential to be as good as the first one and I was right. i can't believe matsuda is still alive. He is a strong man for sure. And shinnosuke is exactly like Yakumo hahahaha. I love Yakumo so much that see Shin acting like him is so adorable. I'd love to see Shin's future. Can he surpass Yakumo's shinigami? I'm still shocked about the revelation of Shin's father. I don't know what to think ... But anyway, to sum up I need to add that IMO my favorite rakugo's story was shinigami. And the one that Yakumo did when he (or the shinigami) burned the theater. What a spectacular performance! |
sun123Mar 25, 2017 7:10 PM
Darshia said: Loved this series, so sad to see you go, as for the revelation, it WAS hinted at. In episode 3 right after Yota confronted the Mob Boss this scene still stuck in my mind. Konatsu spoke with the mistress about something that was never answered. She tells her to just keep it to herself. Keep what to herself? obviously the true parentage of Shinnosuke's father. Go ahead and rewatch the scene again. Unless they where talking about something else then this confirms it since it was the only string left loose in the plot by the time we got to the end. I don't think it's gross since Konatsu never saw him as a father, and I don't think Bon ever saw her as a daughter. Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean these things don't happen in real life. This is a story to be told, not a fulfillment for the audience to project on. You can think it's gross but it was hinted at and is real. You're right, that's also my opinion. From where I come from, I've read fictional (romance) stories like this and I don't find anything wrong with it. There's no incest here and you don't have to re-contextualize their relationship. It doesn't mean that Yakumo took her in that he treated him as his daughter, rather I think he sees her as a brat who just have to live in the same house that he's in and he's obliged to raise her because both parents are dead. Meanwhile, Konatsu never treated Yakumo as her father, never once in her life. She was thankful though that he looked after her, but that's it. So my recommendation to those people who are still grossed about this revelation is to stop thinking that they treated each other as father-daughter because they never did. They only live in the same roof. Stories like these exist. I think the problem of many is they automatically that when some old person took a child under their care that they will automatically have a parent/child relationship but that's not always the case. I'm not sure if people who find it icky lives outside Asia. |
chinvincibleMar 25, 2017 10:55 PM
chinvincible said: Where is it? Any links? https://docs.google.com/document/d/17tCeZ6hVS4wRhDDvKlsYK3dnm1qhsS5oZwqXPGX4DsE/edit Translated by tumblr user kudouusagi |
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| Just when I thought it couldn't get any better than the 1st season...Wow, what a journey that was. It totally blew all of my expectations away. Kudos to DEEN, my faith in them has been restored. |
| Well, this just got ruined for me, this small revelation that Yakumo might be the father, is out of character for the whole story, and most importantly out of character for the characters themselves. Why was there a need to make such an revelation in the first place, when there was no need to reveal the father, and that being at very last episode. The episode would've been good even without the "theory", heck it wasn't even needed to be mentioned in the first place, since no one was going to think about something that happened 7-8 episodes ago. Meh, Japanese manga authors and their stupid conclusion to stories, because, hey, who needs to end a story on a high note, when we can add unnecessary "melodrama" just for twists sake. |
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I'm honestly confused why some people think this revelation about Yakumo being the father came out of nowhere. Why do you think he felt so guilty during his conversation with Sukeroku's ghost at the end of S1? |
Z4KMar 26, 2017 2:49 AM
| I've to admit I never picked up on those earlier hints because the possibility that Konatsu's child might be Yakumo's never even crossed my mind. I'm even surprised that a lot of people suspected this. :p While I don't like it, I do think it makes sense. I'm just wondering if their affair was out of love or just Konatsu forcing herself on Yakumo. I think Konatsu did have feelings for him at some point and she kind of admitted to it in the last episode when she was talking to Higuchi. Yes, Yakumo and Konatsu weren't blood related and I doubt they saw each other as parent and child but the fact that they both didn't want this to come out and even had to involve other people to create the story that the mafia boss is the father of Konatsu's child means that they both thought it was a shameful thing, right? Either way, it was a good finale to the series. 8/10. |
Annick said: Darshia said: Loved this series, so sad to see you go, as for the revelation, it WAS hinted at. In episode 3 right after Yota confronted the Mob Boss this scene still stuck in my mind. Konatsu spoke with the mistress about something that was never answered. She tells her to just keep it to herself. Keep what to herself? obviously the true parentage of Shinnosuke's father. Go ahead and rewatch the scene again. Unless they where talking about something else then this confirms it since it was the only string left loose in the plot by the time we got to the end. I don't think it's gross since Konatsu never saw him as a father, and I don't think Bon ever saw her as a daughter. Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean these things don't happen in real life. This is a story to be told, not a fulfillment for the audience to project on. You can think it's gross but it was hinted at and is real. When it happens in real life, people go to jail...;) joke It may happen, but how many step-dads, adoptive fathers feel that way in real life? Not that much. We had a nice complicated relationship already, there was no need for more drama, it seems that in anime we just can't have normal family relationship, we always need sexual innuendo, and I'm so fed up with this. I saw it countless of time already. When they started talking about that rumor I just wanted them to shoot me already, not because I was too shocked but because it was so cheesy, easy and cheap that I couldn't stand it anymore. If she really wanted to show us that relationship just do it right . How do you think it happened? She hated him before the birth, after the birth, had the child for the sake of rakugo, out of revenge in a way and to push Yakumo to continue rakugo when he didn't seem to need it at that time, what a lame excuse and what about him? He went with the flow? As always? Perhaps it was a taboo relationship but it's not what annoyed me, what annoys me is that it was so bad the way they brought it and it didn't bring anything to the story. I think I would have believed it more if it was the other way, she was Bon's daughter and ended up having a kid with Shin. I thought it was out of character for both of them and I didn't buy it, whatever the author intentions, to me she failed telling that part of the story and didn't convince me at all. The job of the author is to bring us somewhere right? She did a great job in general but there were some times where she lost me, that almost revelation was one. If I was the editor I would have made her re-write it, if you want Bon to be the father and having that kind of relationship with Konatsu, go, show me, convince me...It just didn't work. It was not the point of the story, the point was just to make Shin and Bon baby and create a rakugo monster in the end -__________- . Like if blood matters, like it's how people inherit their talents. I feel like a Star Wars fan after the Phantom Menace. Sorry to be annoying but I wanted moooooooore. That anime would have been almost perfect without the unnecessary twist plots. Really? That's how you see it? Well that's just like... your opinion man lol. Meh I don't see it that way. To me it wasn't cheap and it wasn't forced, all of the clues were there just no one really paid attention to them which is the one thing I love about the show the most. I love the fact that it doesn't hold your hand and just TELL you everything because they have no faith in the audience to think for themselves. You can probably say that there were no signs or clue, or they were done wrong, but people were picking up on the revelation sometime ago, and if they saw it coming and guessed the revelation from the shows own context clues then it must not have failed for them. And like... super Rakugo child? Eh? I mean don't know if that was the intention. I read it more like her way of having Bon and Sukeroku still live in this world through Shinnosuke. As for how it happened? Yes she did hate him but I guess we're just ignoring in the last ep where she said she was in love with him? Okay fine maybe you think that was forced there at the end, but she could have had other feeling for him besides hate. Humans are capable of feeling more than one thing for a person at a time. The show has always been about contradictions since season one. "I love you, I hate you" It's in the lyrics of the song for season one. Bon couldn't stand Sukeroku in a way but at the same time loved him as a brother. Miyo loved Bon but resented him at the same time. I always believed that was the same for Konatsu, she "hated" him but she loved him at the same time. There are other things to go with this theme in the rest of the show but that requires me to write an essay :P. But it's not out of character for the nature of the show. I don't know, I'm not that passionate about this since I came for the story, I enjoyed the story. It touched me and that's all that mattered at the end of the day. Like I said, that's your opinion and I'm just sharing mine with anyone who will listen and so are you. No show will ever be perfect if you keep searching for perfection because then every flaw will become magnified. Just try to chill out, okay :D chinvincible said: You're right, that's also my opinion. From where I come from, I've read fictional (romance) stories like this and I don't find anything wrong with it. There's no incest here and you don't have to re-contextualize their relationship. It doesn't mean that Yakumo took her in that he treated him as his daughter, rather I think he sees her as a brat who just have to live in the same house that he's in and he's obliged to raise her because both parents are dead. Meanwhile, Konatsu never treated Yakumo as her father, never once in her life. She was thankful though that he looked after her, but that's it. So my recommendation to those people who are still grossed about this revelation is to stop thinking that they treated each other as father-daughter because they never did. They only live in the same roof. Stories like these exist. I think the problem of many is they automatically that when some old person took a child under their care that they will automatically have a parent/child relationship but that's not always the case. I'm not sure if people who find it icky lives outside Asia. This exactly, and the age difference doesn't bother me either. I've read/heard of romantic stories like this in real life. I dunno I guess I just love stories/romance with really strange unorthodox relationships and complicated melodrama. I'm fully American and it doesn't bother me, I guess it depends on the level of exposure people get to different types of people and cultures. But just because he took her in doesn't mean they saw each other as father and daughter, he felt obligated since Sukeroku was his best friend! |
DarshiaMar 26, 2017 8:07 AM
| I'm a sucker for josei, family issues, super complicated relationship, and large age difference relationship. I'm dying this is too good, too beautiful for me. |
| Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck It was so beautfiul, when they showed the two big rakugo generations trees OH C'MON THIS SCENE WAS SO SAD I JUST CAN'T 10/10 |
XenocrisiMar 26, 2017 8:29 AM
| There's so much that I want to say about one my most favorite anime series, but ultimately I just gotta give props to the MVP of 2017--MATSUDAAA!!!! DUUUUUDDDEEEEE!!!!!! WTFFFFFF?!?!?!?!?! This old ass dude is so down and loyal man he will literally guide you into your next life and then come back like it's just a normal part of what he does hahahahahahahaa! Oh my gosh that was so hilarious to me when they showed him alive and well and happily smiling. I just lost it hahahaa wow.... As far as EVERYTHING else there is to say about this anime, I'll just say that I can't express how much I love every aspect of this wonderful story.... and I mean EVERY aspect... Kiku-san is sexy as hell--young & old..... I will miss him dearly T_T EDIT: this is my first time posting in literally years.... Like wow my siggy says my recently completed anime is BECK?! 5 years ago is a long time hahaa |
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shoujos said: An extra chapter is included in the final volume and it confirms that Yakumo is the biological father. I still can't see how it confirms it. :( It clearly showed that Yakumo wasn't happy with Konatsu being in love with him, so what made him sleep with her after some years? O_O ?Moreover, I watched again the scene of them together in episode 2 and I didn't see any hints... even if he wasn't the father, she could still want him to live so her son would see his amazing rakugo. they didn't behave like ex-lovers (??? i don't know what they are XD) anyway in every aspect. |
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Talu said: I still can't see how it confirms it. I mean we all thought the Boss was the father and the extra literally crushes any chance of that since he would never go for Konatsu in general + it reveals that Konatsu was once in love with Yakumo during a certain point in her life + there were hints throughout the story+ Shin looks exactly like Yakumo + we have the bomb that was dropped during the last episode/last chapter where Konatsu doesn't deny anything(she doesn't confirm it either but the mangaka wanted people to read the extra after finishing the entire story because she said it adds important information). It's pretty obvious that Yakumo is the real dad. While everyone around Konatsu is keeping a huge secret(the fact that she killed her parents) from her, she's keeping her own huge secret(Yakumo being the father) from them. |
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