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Kaetokiha said: That's not true. It would be true if Ecchan were a naive girl and she was thinking that Hanabi accepted her feelings, but from the get go Ecchan new Hanabi was with Mugi and she new Hanabi didn't have feelings for her. Like she said, she is just taking whatever she can from Hanabi. Ecchan is not desperate, in fact she is being manipulative because she knows Hababi is weak right now. A person in proccess of discovering their sexuality is very susceptible to manipulation and duress. They don't have to be naive for that. There's countless real world examples of people in proccess of coming out being emotionally and physically exploited by those around them. The idea of questioning and exploring your sexuality shakes the very core of your being and identity. She is aware that Hanabi does not directly have feelings with her but due to Hanabi's behavior harbors hope that she could. At the same time she ties the reciprocation of the feelings by Hanabi to validation of Ecchan's own sexuality. That is her mistake and that is what is causing desperation in wanting Mugi to return her feelings and thus bad decisions. But at the core that's still Hanabi's problem for not making it clear that she won't. And yes She is manipulative but so is the entire cast. Hanabi really think she took advantage of Ecchan on that day cause she think she used Ecchan's feelings just to ease her loneliness, but i don't think it's hard for her to see that was not the case. But it was the case. Hanabi did take advantage and is continuing to take advantage. She is conflicted about it but it does not change her behavior. And Hanabi did not reject her directly(which is what she outright said to do for Mugi about Mokka) You know, the first one not being able to control her emotions and being desperate while forcing a kiss onto her best friend? Welcome to conflicting and depressing emotions that coincide with coming out process. It's entirely hanabi's fault for being cute and too tempting when she had a sleepover and was sleeping close to her friend. Right. Its her fault for not making it clear there and not ending it there. Not to mention that Ecchan was wanting Hanabi to use her like how she used Mugi and she continued to go after her by stalking her and just approaching her at the right time. Mokka also wants that from Mugi. So what? Ecchan is seeking self-affirmation that her sexuality and feelings are not "wrong". People discovering their sexuality can be very desperate and vulnerable. She's using Hanabi for herself too. Actually, she has always been thinking about herself. No shit? Coming out IS about yourself. She is not using others to satisfy her ego like Mugi or Hanabi. She is focusing on Hanabi as affirmation of her own sexuality and dealing with possible suicidal thoughts("I want to die"). Don't put all the blame on Hanabi. She is the one who can end it and she is the one who subconsciously does not want to end it because she wants to be like Akane and have everyone. You're making it seem like Ecchan is a lot more stupid than she is. Again. Welcome to the proccess of coming out. Stupid decisions, self destructive behavior, suicidal thoughts and susceptibility to manipulation follow. You treat her like a child while blaming the adult for any influences because a child cannot think for themself. But beyond Akane they all ARE children. The difference being that Ecchan is exploring her own sexuality which is the core of every person's identity and worldview. Its a real and relatable struggle. And no, are you really going to say Mugi is worse than Ecchan? He's so much better. He has great self control and he's always aware of what he's doing and things going on around him. He may have horrible thoughts but he doesn't act on it like Ecchan. He thought of wanting to ruin Hanabi but he controlled himself from going far extremely well. I think future episodes will prove he is actually one of the better people in the show. Despite being used by someone in the past as a toy and he's blind by love. He still very much cares about the people around him. Both Mugi and Hanabi are broken and do not even know what they want. They are enamored not with their crushes, but with the idea of drama and importance that puts them into. They are heroes of their own melodrama and they revel in that misery. They don't want normal relationship. They want something that reaffirms their teenager ego and their importance in the world. You can justify Ecchan as you much but the action speaks for itself. Fact is she's causing pain for the one she loves and making an excuse that it's Hanabi's fault because she's this way is god awful. Hanabi is causing pain to her. Everyone is causing pain to each other and themselves. That's the show. And no Ecchan is not "god awful". At worst she is just like the rest of the cast. Except that she has a relatable and realistic sexual identity issues that many adolescent queer people face in our world. Why would it be too boring and unsatisfying? Let's say they could actually be with the ones they love. Would that be too boring and genuine for them to be satisfied? No, because they get to be with the one they love. Because they don't care about "BEING" with the one they love. With their crushes they are enamored with the idea of self importance of their misery, as a way of inability to handle(or even reach) rejection. The unreachable "poetic" Love is what they think they feel and their egos can't stand that being denied. If they reach genuine "relationship" without any drama or without any importance, they would most likely grow bored of it. A simple chemical attraction is not enough for htem. Now, if they somehow discover that their love for the teachers are false and it wasn't actually love but a different kind of feeling and that they actually love each other. Why would that all of a sudden make it too boring and making it bad because it's too genuine? Love is sexual attraction. There's no such "fabled true magical love". That's the very point of the show so far. Its not some fairytale-esque destined feelings. Its sexual attraction. Hormones. Its why this show is so refreshing in the first place. They're two people of the same coin. Both scums and both aware what they're doing. They understand each other the most and relate to one another the most. Why wouldn't things work out? That's exactly why it would not work out. They would not be able to revel in it. Frankly I am not sure how they could solve their problems and be in relationship now because they are far too broken and far too egocentric. At best I guess(if they don't end up murdering each other), they could break off their toxic relationships and move on to grow up and maybe meet again once they resolved their issues, IDK. They both changed for the better. They got rid of any unhealthy relationship and got over their unrequited love. They both became better people by moving on and improving themself. What would be wrong if they wanted to start that new life with each other and support one another? But that would require breaking off their current relationships, maturing and becoming real people who can start an actual normal relationship. RIGHT NOW that is impossible. They can't just drop their crushes and pretend they are normal couple. Because they are not. The current relationship is built on toxicity. There's no chemistry or actual genuine feelings. They are with each other because it is not "normal". GenesisAria said: Red_Ranger_Wien said: Hanabi doesn't even completely reject Sanae, she's mostly confused. If Sanae made her move before Hanabi and Mugi ended up using eachother, Hanabi probably would have been with Sanae. Sanae would have been happy, and Hanabi probably would have grown feelings for her... But that's lush and beautiful and romantic, that's not dramatic and edgy. That outcome would be too ideal, we can't have that. I mean this is a dark drama about misfortunes and moral ambiguity.tfw people will defend someone who commits straight up sexual assault because she is a lesbian/her actions make psychological sense. That's why it appeals, why it's doing what anime don't often do, and doing a good job of it. It's deliciously corrupt. Frankly I doubt it would work out, albeit Mugi and Ecchan's roles would be reversed and Hanabi's relationship would be a bit healthier. For Hanabi to have a healthy relationship she needs to let go of her egocentric crush and actually WANT a real relationship first. |
AhenshihaelFeb 18, 2017 2:07 AM
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champu said: Last time I check the anime will wrap up everythingSo much happened rthis episode, i wonder tho where's the anime gonna end, since manga aint finished~ |
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Slayahh said: All the people hating on Ecchan while she is doing just what she can do in this position. Your love is not sure about their feelings towards anyone and right now is really the only time that you can "win her over". If Hanabi starts dating Mugi for real and they grow closer, it will be too late. True she fights to get what she wants, like any boy harassing his ex-girlfriend because he doesn't want to let go. "Never give up" is not always the right thing to do. In this episode, like any creepy molester Ecchan crossed the line when she came after Hanabi and put her hand between Hanabi's legs AFTER Hanabi told her they should stop their relationship. That's why Ecchan is disgusting. |
| It's funny when a women that loves women does the same exact thing a man would do in this situation or worse, its real bad and she's suddenly the worst character of the anime? Like yeah, a character is flawed, Ecchan is gross, but so are all the other characters in this anime lmfao. You can't defend anyone in this anime. |
| First discussion i've taken part in and wanted to give it a try, let me know if i'm doing anything wrong. To begin with, I really loved this anime at the start with substituting each other for their "crushes". Didn't expect it to turn into something this warped, and haven't experienced an anime like this in a while; school days, myself;yourself, kokoro connect(anime that I believe crosses the boundaries a tad). It's an anime that makes you think if people really develop these kinds of emotions and how it transforms itself into a beast that eats away at your conscience, like we see with Hanabi arguing with herself in the form of her when she was little. As it's getting towards the turning point etc, where Hanabi becomes determined to take the feelings that everyone has for Akane, it's where it becomes hard to watch for me, I haven't been in a relationship before (which is a little embarrassing to say :p) but it really does make me wonder if people can be this twisted or if this anime has just taken a unfortunate series of events with Hanabi unluckily having her crush (Kanai) taken away from her by a succubus to say the least, which makes her warped eventually etc. From the episode 5 and on it's getting a little hard to continue without wanting to look away at the parts that makes you feel sort of sad and upset that relationships can turn out to taking advantage of each other and such and it's not something you want to see. Going to try and finish this anime and I'm apprehensive about the upcoming discouraging ending that i'm about to witness that might or might not come. Don't get me wrong I really appreciate the anime as a whole and I'm a huge fan of Romances in high school when talking about anime. As i'm connected to the characters more through the use of their backgrounds, friendships, hardships. It makes me want to see a happily ever after but even i'm not that naive that this anime especially will turn out like that and we will probably see Hanabi turning into something that she didn't think possible when just holding hands with Mugi for the first time. Sorry if it's a little long or I took it a little seriously than expected, please tell me if I should look out for anything in the future when creating posts in discussions. Thanks |
“You choose to be hurt rather than to hurt others, right?  You’re nice and wonderful. But while it seems like you are choosing both, you’re really forsaking both.” |
| This anime is one big mess, despite being very nice to look at mess. I have read manga because first 2-3 eps really made a big impression on me. But it goes downhill from there in both manga and anime, and it gets (and will be) worse. All I hoped for was a mature romance drama, different from all those cheessy rom-coms with characters blushing at every stupid occasion. But this is just an another extreme - forced artificial drama where everybody wants to screw everybody and nobody is (except Ecchan) at least a bit likeable while doing so. |
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Suzuyarin said: FlamingMangos said: I still don't get why people like Ecchan. Sure, you may relate to her but do you relate to her being creepy and her actions so far? If she was a guy then people would already calling sexual harassment and rape but because she's a girl, it's more forgiving. Like, fucking geeze. She's creepy as hell and this is a friend of hers we're talking about. I never liked her in the manga or in the anime. She was always portrayed as a creepy lesbian and was forceful to me. Finally someone who shares my opinion. I think it was episode 4 when I was really angry about her, had a decent rant about her literally being a rapist as well lmao. But now that I hate Hanabi as well I don't care that much about it. I just want more scenes of Mugi, he basically wasn't in the last 3 episodes (and he wasn't in ep 4 AT ALL if i recall correctly) Ecchan might have not been like that from the start though, could be just an innocent girl that loved the person that saved her from potentially getting raped on the train. I do hate the way she is right now, taking advantage of the "Vulnerable" Hanabi. But you can also spin in around to being Hanabi's fault for making her that way. The same thing can potentially happen to Mugi that happened to Ecchan from what you can see at the end of episode 6 where Moka asks him on a date and he nonchalantly says yes. Basically i'm just blaming everything on Hanabi :p , she became twisted because of Akane stealing Kanai from her which makes her feel alone; taking advantage of Ecchan and Mugi, but it splits up here where Mugi becomes like Hanabi and Akane where he also feels alone because he realises Hanabi is "cheating" on him from what Ecchan said to him passing by and Ecchan doesn't care if she is getting taking advantage of and she tries to take advantage of Hanabi herself. |
| “You choose to be hurt rather than to hurt others, right? You’re nice and wonderful. But while it seems like you are choosing both, you’re really forsaking both.” |
| Very, very interesting. This one was really heavy with analysis. I feel like I almost have to take notes to keep track of Hanabi's thought process. So one, she's blinded by revenge. Her fears of losing Onii-chan are overpowering her fears of becoming like Akane. Hanabi is still scared that if she gives into the routine of having sex with people she doesn't care about just to satisfy herself, she's going to become numb to feelings, just like Akane. Akane doesn't feel anything, she's narcissistic. In essence, Hanabi is scared she won't be able to love anyone if she simply uses people for sex. That may be a bit of a flawed thought process, but I see merit in it. At the very least, she does not want to become cold and unloving like Akane. Now, a big indicator of her struggle is how she sees Akane as using her narcissism to lure men. Hanabi sees her self as seeking affirmation through being loved by others. That is the complete opposite of Akane. This is also something obvious, but I didn't think of it before. Onii-chan most likely sees Hanabi as a little girl all of the time. There is too much history there to just forget that you knew this person as a child, and that to me is a huge barrier. That doesn't mean it can't be overcome, but personally, that is something I would probably not be able to look past. When it comes to Ecchan, it's playing out exactly how I thought. Someone has to get hurt because Hanabi already gave up ground to Ecchan. Now she feels guilty for using her, but also feels responsible for Ecchan taking things to far. |
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| Shit is just getting more complicated lel |
| "You are the leaves bathing in the sun, I am the roots that grow in the dark." |
| It hurts seeing how Hanabi gets corrupted and her development through the series, at least I got hurt. I didn't think Ecchan was a bad person, still don't, she was sorta used at that moment, and sometimes hatred and sadness are one, and there's also a feeling like fear. The thing Hanabi did with Takuya was sorta fun at the end, because she tried to make the same as sensei did, but she's still innocent in the end, so it backfired, also felt pity, but a little bit. And just can't wait to see the poor moka, idk if it'll make me more angry, or hurt me even more. |
| Cuteness > Everything else Cuteness is Love, Cuteness is Life |
Red_Ranger_Wien said: She's after an emotional crutch, not physical pleasure. Mugi and Hanabi agreed to be eachothers' crutches, but Sanae would have gladly been Hanabi's crutch, because she loves her (potentially eventually leading to a mutual healthy relationship, because Hanabi would be asking herself questions like "do i love Ecchan?" "why does Ecchan love me so much" etc etc, eventually seeing lovable things). Hanabi may or may not develope romantic feelings for Sanae. Hanabi had zero romantic or sexual interest in Mugi initially.GenesisAria said: The difference here being that she and Mugi mutually chose to enter this fake dating relationship/real physical relationship. I don't see a scenario where Ecchan makes her feelings known without unwanted sexual advances. Mostly cause I don't think Hanabi has any potentially romantic feelings for her. Like she mentioned, she was just using her for physical pleasure.@Red_Ranger_Wien She would have in the same manner she's beginning to change with Mugi. Hanabi had no idea Sanae really loved her. Fai said: It would be a slow-burn, but i think it's possible. Hanabi trusts Sanae, because they're close and only friends.Frankly I doubt it would work out, albeit Mugi and Ecchan's roles would be reversed and Hanabi's relationship would be a bit healthier. For Hanabi to have a healthy relationship she needs to let go of her egocentric crush and actually WANT a real relationship first. |
GenesisAriaFeb 18, 2017 11:42 AM
❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power.  “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
| So Hana sort of wants to see what Akane feels like huh ... yeah I didn't really like this episode as much :( Ecchan is still trying to get with her, but I want to see more of Mugi :( I'm sort of surprised that Hana tried to get with that other guy that Akane was with but it doesn't seem to be working out. Mugi's going on a date with Moca??? Please no she's so annoying T_T |
GenesisAria said: Red_Ranger_Wien said: She's after an emotional crutch, not physical pleasure. Mugi and Hanabi agreed to be eachothers' crutches, but Sanae would have gladly been Hanabi's crutch, because she loves her (potentially eventually leading to a mutual healthy relationship, because Hanabi would be asking herself questions like "do i love Ecchan?" "why does Ecchan love me so much" etc etc, eventually seeing lovable things). Hanabi may or may not develope romantic feelings for Sanae. Hanabi had zero romantic or sexual interest in Mugi initially.The difference here being that she and Mugi mutually chose to enter this fake dating relationship/real physical relationship. I don't see a scenario where Ecchan makes her feelings known without unwanted sexual advances. Mostly cause I don't think Hanabi has any potentially romantic feelings for her. Like she mentioned, she was just using her for physical pleasure. Fai said: It would be a slow-burn, but i think it's possible. Hanabi trusts Sanae, because they're close and only friends.Frankly I doubt it would work out, albeit Mugi and Ecchan's roles would be reversed and Hanabi's relationship would be a bit healthier. For Hanabi to have a healthy relationship she needs to let go of her egocentric crush and actually WANT a real relationship first. Again the difference is I see no scenario where Ecchan and Hanabi enter that kind of relationship without Ecchan forcing herself on Hanabi. If Hanabi was never involved with Mugi then Hanabi wouldn't have been so sexually open and Ecchan wouldn't have been in such a rush to let Hanabi know how she felt. |
Red_Ranger_Wien said: gain the difference is I see no scenario where Ecchan and Hanabi enter that kind of relationship without Ecchan forcing herself on Hanabi. If Hanabi was never involved with Mugi then Hanabi wouldn't have been so sexually open and Ecchan wouldn't have been in such a rush to let Hanabi know how she felt. I am sorry but sexuality is not some switch. Hanabi did not suddenly become bisexual just because she got depressed or obsessed.If it happened now it could happen any time because that's who she is. And the stay-over event(and thus reveal of Ecchan's sexuality) would still be possible as long as they are friends. GenesisAria said: It would be a slow-burn, but i think it's possible. Hanabi trusts Sanae, because they're close and only friends. The problem is that it still does not erase Hanabi's downward spiral. She is still chasing after her crush, she is still trying to one-up Akane, she is still hurting those around her, etc. As long as she choses to play this game she can't have a normal healthy relationship. Hanabi actually abandoning her self-centered crushing on the teacher and Ecchan moving in for the strike then would most likely have solved that but then again then we would have no show at all. |
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| Obviously enough, Hanabi cannot beat Akane in her own game. Regardless, Hanabi still insists on going through with the charade. Even Sanae is joining the fray. Sublime. |
Fai said: Kaetokiha said: That's not true. It would be true if Ecchan were a naive girl and she was thinking that Hanabi accepted her feelings, but from the get go Ecchan new Hanabi was with Mugi and she new Hanabi didn't have feelings for her. Like she said, she is just taking whatever she can from Hanabi. Ecchan is not desperate, in fact she is being manipulative because she knows Hababi is weak right now. A person in proccess of discovering their sexuality is very susceptible to manipulation and duress. They don't have to be naive for that. There's countless real world examples of people in proccess of coming out being emotionally and physically exploited by those around them. The idea of questioning and exploring your sexuality shakes the very core of your being and identity. She is aware that Hanabi does not directly have feelings with her but due to Hanabi's behavior harbors hope that she could. At the same time she ties the reciprocation of the feelings by Hanabi to validation of Ecchan's own sexuality. That is her mistake and that is what is causing desperation in wanting Mugi to return her feelings and thus bad decisions. But at the core that's still Hanabi's problem for not making it clear that she won't. And yes She is manipulative but so is the entire cast. [...] Don't mean to self-insert into this, but I'm just wondering why you're so focused on the aspect of Ecchan coming out when there is absolutely zero evidence that she is doing so. There is nothing to suggest that Ecchan is uncomfortable with her sexuality or that she's actually making it public. Her arc with Hanabi is strictly revolving around her long-standing love and friendship for Hanabi. She decides to confess her love to Hanabi and the difficulty of the situation is that she's a friend. There is nothing to suggest she's "exploring" her sexuality. If anyone is exploring his/her sexuality, it's Hanabi. As far as I'm aware, Ecchan is comfortable with her sexuality. I'm not even sure she's exploring her feelings for Hanabi. She seems very comfortable with taking advantage of Hanabi's guilt and has multiple times stated that she doesn't care whether Hanabi loves her in the moment or not. To be sure, she wants Hanabi to want her romantically, but in her own words: "I'll take what I can get." Or in other words, she'll take advantage. I like the arc, but for me, the weakest point is their friendship. For one, I don't get the sense that they are really that great of friends. Ecchan hasn't showed anything of significance to convey that she's someone Hanabi cannot stand to lose. Sure, I guess we can imagine some backstory, not a huge deal. But there's also a problem of Ecchan's timing. We're supposed to believe that she was in love with Hanabi since their first meeting, but she kept her feelings hidden all of this time until Hanabi started dating Mugi? Why? It doesn't make much sense that this one moment made her realize that she needs to confess now. She also didn't know about Onii-chan? The way she's written doesn't convey to me that they are really that great of friends, or that they know each other that well. |
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Fai said: Red_Ranger_Wien said: gain the difference is I see no scenario where Ecchan and Hanabi enter that kind of relationship without Ecchan forcing herself on Hanabi. If Hanabi was never involved with Mugi then Hanabi wouldn't have been so sexually open and Ecchan wouldn't have been in such a rush to let Hanabi know how she felt. I am sorry but sexuality is not some switch. Hanabi did not suddenly become bisexual just because she got depressed or obsessed.If it happened now it could happen any time because that's who she is. And the stay-over event(and thus reveal of Ecchan's sexuality) would still be possible as long as they are friends. k, I didn't say anything about Hanabi being bisexual or not. I said without Mugi's influence Hanabi would have been less likely to be looking for that physical comfort and Ecchan would have felt less like she was going to lose her chance and wouldn't have rushed into it like she did. |
Red_Ranger_Wien said: Again the difference is I see no scenario where Ecchan and Hanabi enter that kind of relationship without Ecchan forcing herself on Hanabi. If Hanabi was never involved with Mugi then Hanabi wouldn't have been so sexually open and Ecchan wouldn't have been in such a rush to let Hanabi know how she felt. Sanae made a bold and slightly stupid move whilst in a daze; she could have confessed or whatever, but in the bed scene she merely lost control of herself. She didn't selfishly force herself, if you paid attention to the scene, she regretted losing control (but it was also a relief because now Hanabi knows undoubtedly). @Fai same thing, Sanae wasn't a bird circling it's prey, she wasn't waiting for a vulnerable time to strike (nor did she dive in as an act of desperation), she lost control at a bad time, and it added more confusion and uncertainty to Hanabi's life. Hence the misfortune. Sanae made the mistake, and then realized she'd crossed the line and can't turn back, so she continues forward. Perhaps a bit more relational psychology ought to be learnt here by some of you. |
GenesisAriaFeb 18, 2017 3:21 PM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
GenesisAria said: Red_Ranger_Wien said: Again the difference is I see no scenario where Ecchan and Hanabi enter that kind of relationship without Ecchan forcing herself on Hanabi. If Hanabi was never involved with Mugi then Hanabi wouldn't have been so sexually open and Ecchan wouldn't have been in such a rush to let Hanabi know how she felt. Sanae made a bold and slightly stupid move whilst in a daze, she could have confessed or whatever, but in the bed scene, she merely lost control of herself. She didn't selfishly force herself, if you payed attention to the scene, she regretted losing control (but it was also a relief because now Hanabi knows undoubtedly). @Fai same thing, Sanae wasn't a bird circling it's prey, she wasn't waiting for a vulnerable time to strike (nor did she dive in as an act of desperation), she lost control at a bad time, and it added more confusion and uncertainty to Hanabi's life. Hence the misfortune. Sanae made the mistake, and then realized she'd crossed the line and can't turn back, so she continues forward. Perhaps a bit more relational psychology ought to be learnt here by some of you. To be clear the first time it happened she lost control of herself. What happened here in episode 6 was blatantly her being selfish and sexually aggressive towards Hanabi without consent. |
| @Red_Ranger_Wien But the mistake is what started it all, so Sanae painted herself as a villain who can't turn back. She wants to claim Hanabi, even if broken, as a last resort. In Sanae's mind, the fire has been cast, and she seeks to pull Hanabi from the mess, and accept her corrupted or not. it's pretty clear, and was from the start, that Sanae loves Hanabi's purity, so if Hanabi's purity could be saves, that would save her as well. Sanae believes she (and others?) have tainted Hanabi's purity. That and Sanae is depressed that Hanabi didn't come to her for comfort, but instead went to someone else. Everyone is selfish in one way or another, and that doesn't just apply to this story. Even wanting others to be happy is a form of gratification; YOU want them to be happy. Happiness is objectively beneficial, so everybody wins... but that doesn't change the facts. |
GenesisAriaFeb 18, 2017 3:40 PM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
| That's pretty dangerous way Hanabi starts going, I guess she doesn't realize she would be one who gets hurt by this doing in the end. Not to mention she can't really win this game because Akane was already hurt before and keeps her feelings inside ever since that time. Meanwhile, Mugi is probably going to bang Noriko, as annoying as she is. Add one more broken heart I guess and possible suicide coming. |
| Ehh. Not liking Ecchan as much as I used to. One day we'll get a decent yuri relationship in anime. One day... |
| The title of this anime is really getting some emphasis on all the characters this episode. I'm not disappointed. If anything, it just made it easier for me to pick who to cheer on. Ecchan! ..but think how our reactions would be if Ecchan were a guy. Ugh, double standards, I guess I'm kuzu too. |
| Hanabi wants to beat Akane, but she's just breaking his broken self, and the others around her. |
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| I went from liking Ecchan to hating her. Uggg she not being used anymore... she's using Hanabi Hanabi, girl, you need to figure out your life. It's okay. Also you don't need a man... fuck him jesus! |
UrbanJahtsFeb 19, 2017 12:48 AM
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| The hate Hanabi is getting is so unwarranted. |
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| so hanabi has a personal fight with herself..she becomes mentally crazy due to sensei and she thinks about becoming like her thinking that if she uses other people's emotion will fullfil her desires..ecchan is obssesed with hanabi to the point she doesnt care if she is being used by her..she actually turns hanabi to a bitch akane-like girl..she makes her pretend to open up with men but keep her feelings closed off just to feel pleasure but not get hurt..and "what if its only you who knows who you really are?" and dont give a fk about others opinion?..this is what hanabi thinks that characterises sensei..too sad that we didnt get to see her in this episode...I hate the fact hanabi got laid with the dude just to get her self respect..the only thing that can save her from the darkness she is being filled with is to find true love..everyone uses her to the point they feel desire..only with true love hanabi can move on..and only if she gets rid of ecchan whose obsession to hanabi resulted in manipulating her feelings..on the otherside I dislike mugi..he is the typical generic teenboy who has something with a girl (who doesnt really like or feel something) and he dates other girls but just because he thinks this girl is certain he feels jealousy if she does something with someone...anyways this anime is great..it really gives me goosebumps and akane is great .she literally makes this show flow so smoothly. her character is magnificent...and btw something irrelevant why does she remind me of Kaori from your lie in april here? when she was in the hospital..ohh poor kaori..rip 18 February :(((  |
KawaiiCandyFeb 19, 2017 10:09 AM
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| Mokka feels like she wandered into this series from another manga or anime (I know she's in the manga, relax). It's just so jarring when she shows up. Her only point is to have a character who is in love with him, but god they could have done a much better job of making a better/more interesting character. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| And so deviant redhead became the most despicable and disgusting character in the series. Considering the competition, she might have won a special place in hell. Poor Moca, Awaya is starting to come closer to the level of female leads so it won't end pretty. |
Ii tenki desu ne... |
| If I had to make a ruling, I'd say what Ecchan doing is not rape. But here's the thing, it's very complicated, which is part of why I really like this anime. Life is rarely black and white. We are seeing this unfold both as strangers, but also as people who have some insight into what these characters are thinking. Hanabi is clearly guilty and afraid, but she has also allowed herself to use Ecchan. It is obvious that she can say no, because she did say no, but her moments of weakness came from confusion. She wasn't sure how to deal with Ecchan's feelings, but as we saw last episode, decided (rightfully so) to put a stop to not because she felt she was being used or raped, but because she didn't want to hurt Ecchan any more that she already has. Ecchan, too, is to blame for taking advantage of Hanabi. But her transgression is lessened by Hanabi's willingness to participate. Remember one thing, Hanabi doesn't feel like she's being raped. She regrets having sex with Ecchan because she knows she doesn't love Ecchan but is rather just leading her on. Is there duress involved? Absolutely. But Hanabi feels like she's equally taking advantage and hurting Ecchan in the process. Now, don't get me wrong. Ecchan is doing something quite terrible. Both her and Hanabi know there is no coming back from this, but Ecchan doesn't care. She's pressing on and getting quite aggressive. She's putting their relationship in jeopardy, but as far as I'm concerned, their relationship is already gone. |
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| my oh my hanabi is turning into the very thing she begrudges this is getting good |
| NOOO! My pure, innocent, hand-loving virgin Kanai oniichan fucked the student-ojiichan fucker. D: I had faith in you, you fucking bastard. Kidding aside, oniichan looks like one of those guys who look like he's nice but he's still horny underneath the spectacles and polo shirts. I had an ex who was a good guy overall (at least I thought he was) and he was good in bed too. I broke up with him after I found out he was sleeping around with other girls. I was scared I might catch something. I got tested afterwards, twice because I was paranoid and I was clean thankfully. I didn't care much about him cheating since I suppose I didn't like him that much but it freaked me out because some of the people in our college were poz. Honestly, out of all the scums in this series, I love Ecchan the most. I would totally date her. She reminds me of my crush in my last year of college. She's straight though and I never stood a chance with her, she's married with a kid now but I really liked her. TT__TT Ew, Mugi's going to fuck the annoying little loli. |
| 臭い- |
| This continues to be kind of a difficult series to watch. I really don't like Hanabi trying to hook up with one of Akane's boy toys. It's just really uncomfortable and awkward viewing. And highlights one of the many baffling ways, I don't really understand that Hanabi has been behaving in recent episodes. I struggle more and more with every episode to understand a lot of these characters motivations. Ecchan also continues to be creepy and rapey this time around. And now we're going to see Mugi and Momo go on a date. Out of nowhere. After Momo hasn't even appeared for like four episodes. This shows kind of losing it a bit I think. But I'm hoping it can pull it together. Those first few episodes felt so promising. |
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Nikorin said: But there is one thing - I don't think that this anime is realistic AT ALL. I mean, ok, you can be lonely and hug and kiss other person because you need someone close. But you don't start kissing and hugging every freakin' guy or girl around because you're lonely and you want your pure as f*** onii-san who is so stupid that he is the only person in the whole anime knowing literally NOTHING. Jon Snow of the anime world only less handsome and more boring. Hey, don't drag 'Promised King' here, well I can understand u comparing GoT with this as both butcher their noble characters, but still you can't compare him with this avg. lame sensei. So now most chara are just gonna 'awaken' to feel-good side......guess this is why sex-toys have a hot market there. |
| No one deserves anyone in this anime. |
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| Ecchan snapped it seems. Hanabi seems to take things a little too seriously. Can't reall blame her, she's a teenager after all. Silly girl even thinks she's still a virgin. |
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anachronic said: Every time I watch an episode of this series I get depressed. I keep wondering if that's healthy. Don't get me wrong, I love the show, but come on man, I feel like crying everytime an episode ends... I feel exactly the same, even seeing the opening somewhere or something about it makes me feel a little depressed or angsty. I read all the manga up to date to confront it, but it still makes me a little sad ;; |
| Ugh the scene where Hanabi tries to go out with one of Akane's guys was cringe-worthy. She's such a conflicted person that I just don't get what exactly she wants. Getting loved by her brother figure teacher? Want to get back at Akane? Or just want to merely satisfy her own ego? |
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| This is getting out of hand, everyone going hard on it with the exception of Moca and Onii-chan. Man I hope Moca at least move on from Mugi, guy just doesn't love her at all. |
aikaflip said: Holy crap. What despicable characters. I'm not shipping anyone with anyone anymore because no one deserves anyone. It's still a great show, though. 5/5 Exactly my thought. How I can still like a show so much when I started to dislike each and every character is beyond me. Perhaps Mugi is an exception but I guess only because the focus was on Hanabi trying to build her harem to battle Akane. |
| At this point, Ecchan is becoming a much less likable character. She seems like she's going to continue to exploit the fact that Hanabe is dependent on her as a friend. Initially, I liked her character more than most of the others, but she's steering me the wrong way. She's just plain creepy at this point. And as others said, the characters in this show make me question humanity. I mean to be completely honest, none of the characters are exactly likable in the sense that they are all mean/manipulative to a certain extent. Hanabe and Mugi are probably my favorites out the bunch, so I'm somewhat rooting for them to have a normal relationship, despite their lack of chemistry. Needless to say, Akane makes me want to rip my hair out. |
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