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| Quick question, excluding Subaru. What does mentally broken even qualify to some of you? |
| so suicide soon? or another murder either way he needs to go back |
| Scream! |
QWERTYFish25 said: I guess Kazuma from Konasuba is mentally broken, as well. Technically, he is, just as any chuni. But Konosuba is a comedy, plus this actual behaviour works in shounen in general. Subaru has been repeatedly proven that it is not working and does so anyway. In other words, his behaviour in any realistic themed show is borderline mental illness. |
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QWERTYFish25 said: Quick question, excluding Subaru. What does mentally broken even qualify to some of you? For me as a psych major, - Someone who responds to ptsd triggers caused by trauma and displays behavior consistent with ptsd(ex: panic attacks, etc). - Someone In a state of shock. - Someone suffering mental deterioration due to stress. In terms of narrative, the character being mentally damaged is usually presented via clear director-tells, for example: - Shaking hands. - Flashes of memories to the traumatic events triggered by triggers in the character's surroundings. - Panic attacks, hyperventilation, etc. - Character turning comatose. And a lot of others. Character's who portray as having mental issues that could be defined in layman's terms as "mentally broken" include the like as Shinji, Rei and Asuka in NGE, Shirou in FSN VN, Shiki in Tsukihime VN, Shiki in KNK, Okabe in Steins;Gate, Atsushi in Bungou Stray Dogs, That veteran guy in Aldnoah Zero. Hell, even Kirito(would work better if his psych profile was poperly portrayed in the first series so it does not come out of nowhere in sao2) So Ra No Wo to also has proper and interesting portrayal of ptsd. Since Subaru does not exactly display anything akin to that in this arc, I find the whole "oh he is just mentally broken!" excuse flimsy. He WAS portrayed as mentally broken in Arc 2, but now none of those things are there. Occam's razor dictates that dude's just stupid and self-entitled/possessive right now, for whatever reason. Why would it be so different from before? Don't have a clue. |
AhenshihaelJul 4, 2016 9:58 AM
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| The WWW cult looks kinda cartoonish design wise |
| I wonder what will happen next. Poor Rem T^T |
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QWERTYFish25 said: Quick question, excluding Subaru. What does mentally broken even qualify to some of you? Does it makes Subaru more likeable if it does? Did I ever tried to hit on the girl that obviously wasn't into me? Actually, yes, I did, even more than once and it took me a while (and actually, several girls) to take a hint. Do I make a strange poses and shout random nonsense while fully believing I am a Visual Novel character? No. I didn't try to do that when I was a child. Never actually tried to impress girl with that when I was older and I am still convinced I am not Visual Novel character. Did I done anything blatantly stupid. Yes, I tried to wrestle a metal door frame when I was 10. Needless to say metal frame won and I broke my fingers, but it gave me a valuable lesson how stupid idea it was and I took hint immediately. Subaru wasn't able to take a hint after several deaths. Did I died? Well, obviously, I didn't, so hard to say how it goes, but obviously there won't be many fans that had several dying experiences. |
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Fai said: I hope it starts climbing back up because last few episodes are seriously making the overall score tank for me. Well, why is that? MC is human. Humanity. Flawed. Human. Not perfect. Human. You know? Human. Human. People were all "MC is self-fulfilling this is a piece of crap" mistakenly. After that, they realised it wasn't the case and couldn't bear it. Now it's "MC is a piece of shit who doesn't make sense". Well, you've kept doing exactly that. It could have been a solid 8 It very easily deserves it. Yeah but usually you don't have your main character be an unlikeable serial killer so I doubt its that. Nobody would want to see a story about a character every viewer actively despises. The only way to redeem Subaru now is explaining his strange change in behavior after Ep11 as the witch altering his mind somehow. And the theme of jealousy fits the jealous witch too . So now, MC can't be psychos or broken? Do you really believe it doesn't exist or are you simply trolling the living out of this forum? Surely, you must be joking there. Don't get what that video of dude not noticing the bodies has to do with anything. Its not the first time he has been an unfocused distracted idiot this arc. It means he is broken mentally, refusing to accept what is unbound before his very own eyes. He keeps ignoring it until he is forced to accept it when he trips over the body, sees the sea of blood under him and on his hand, and all the burnt piled bodies, to his horror and disbelief. To my eyes... This does two very distinct things to his mind. 1. He realises he couldn't help anyone there and that he's not the hero at the center of everything. He's brought back to reality. And if it happened to the village, it surely happened to the mansion as well (Emillia, and by extension, Rem who went there). 2. At the same time, it mgith conformt him into his idea that he HAS to absolutely be there to save them (if not only to know what is going on and reset). He, the stalker like you call him, was right in a way. He needed to be there. |
"Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences."  |
| I still hate Subaru for how he react to shit and other stuff. RIP Rem TT^TT and those people in the village. Guess Subaru going to kill himself so he can revive and save Rem again. |
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Shrimperor said: Smudy said: Best thread for the thick skulls. https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/4r3veq/discussion_rezeros_latest_developments_show_how/ As i said on that Thread: deleting development =/= realistic flawed Character. khalifa-alshamsi said: Why is he so obsessed with Emilia ? we all ask ourselves that... The thing is though. In real life, you can develop but you can also BACKTRACK. That's what humans do. Take this. A drug dealer can go through things and vow never again to take drugs but if something bad happens. There's a big chance he'll just go right back to the drugs. I mean I don't mean to be rude, but have you heard of non-linear character development? I mean, what. So if Subaru gets his resolve on the cliff is he supposed to take any upcoming obstacle like that like some wall of steel? In fact, Subaru's so called development let's take the one on the cliff. All he resolved to do was to push his fear to the side and go full balls to the walls to save Emilia and Co. With that learned, he tried to do it again at the political committee thing then gasp...it didn't work. Deleting development =/= Backtracking/New Side Shown |
YuzurynJul 4, 2016 10:18 AM
Fai said: QWERTYFish25 said: Quick question, excluding Subaru. What does mentally broken even qualify to some of you? For me as a psych major, - Someone who responds to ptsd triggers caused by trauma and displays behavior consistent with ptsd(ex: panic attacks, etc). - Someone In a state of shock. - Someone suffering mental deterioration due to stress. In terms of narrative, the character being mentally damaged is usually presented via clear director-tells, for example: - Shaking hands. - Flashes of memories to the traumatic events triggered by triggers in the character's surroundings. - Panic attacks, hyperventilation, etc. - Character turning comatose. And a lot of others. Character's who portray as having mental issues that could be defined in layman's terms as "mentally broken" include the like as Shinji, Rei and Asuka in NGE, Shirou in FSN VN, Shiki in Tsukihime VN, Shiki in KNK, Okabe in Steins;Gate, Atsushi in Bungou Stray Dogs, That veteran guy in Aldnoah Zero. Hell, even Kirito(would work better if his psych profile was poperly portrayed in the first series so it does not come out of nowhere in sao2) So Ra No Wo to also has proper and interesting portrayal of ptsd. Since Subaru does not exactly display anything akin to that in this arc, I find the whole "oh he is just mentally broken!" excuse flimsy. He WAS portrayed as mentally broken in Arc 2, but now none of those things are there. Occam's razor dictates that dude's just stupid and self-entitled/possessive right now, for whatever reason. Why would it be so different from before? Don't have a clue. Also, Fai. You're right. He was portrayed as mentally broken in Arc 2. Why does it need to be shown in 3? Stuff like that just doesn't go away. Idk for me. (No special snowflake thing) I could tell he was still messed up by it. Hence why he was so pushy with Rem about going to see Emilia in case something happened to her. |
Kokorohagurasu said: Actually from what I've heard, the first few volumes sold very well, but recently the sales have dwindled for a certain volume and on (forgot which one) and I heard it was partly because people couldn't bear to read through all the horrible things Subaru experiencedTony_SansNom said: Apparently, Arc 4 is way too big to be fit in there. Season will probably end with the end of Arc 3 with episode 25. Arc 4 would require a whole 25 epiosdes alone, to be adapted. If it is true, rushing Arc 3 and Arc 4 in a mere 10 episodes would be the worst butchering of history. Hmmm I see, I hope we get a new season though (I heard the light novels sell a lot, and the anime must be pushing it further). But I feel like they're kinda losing ground in the last 3 episodes, hope it comes back to the great quality of arc 1 and 2, this episode already feels alot better |
 "If I don't have to do it, I won't. If I have to do it, I'll make it quick."- Oreki Houtarou |
Yuzuryn said: Also, Fai. You're right. He was portrayed as mentally broken in Arc 2. Why does it need to be shown in 3? Stuff like that just doesn't go away. Idk for me. (No special snowflake thing) I could tell he was still messed up by it. Hence why he was so pushy with Rem about going to see Emilia in case something happened to her. Because the portrayal is what matters in terms of interpretation. Him suddenly stopping in displaying those symptoms only can make the viewer take his actions at face value. So either he stopped being traumatized and is legit idiotic scumbag who is in no way similar to Subaru from before Ep12 or The directing and writing in this show suddenly became seriously shit. Either way that's not good for the show. |
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| Well that ending caught me by surprise. |
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ColdBreeze said: QWERTYFish25 said: But he didn't. He saw some corpses in the houses and he didn't really care about them. He is/was delusional at that point till he got blood on his hands or had physical contact. I think that counts as broken or at least he is not sane anymore.I mean, I'm not saying he is or isn't, whatever "mentally broken" qualifies as to the audience or the author. But as far as I could tell he seems to be reacting somewhat normal. I mean who wouldn't be terrified seeing a pile of bodies every so often or coming back after being killed? Not everyone bursts into cries when they see the deceased. He's seen dead bodies before and probably has grown a bit numb to it. It got to him when he was covered in their blood and facing a pile of charred bodies. I don't know if that's a indication of being "mentally broken." Maybe they skipped over the initial reaction so they could build up to the part where he saw the "real" kicker; the pile of charred bodies, which interestingly is where the edgelord track kicks in. |
| k so i'm honestly really fucking bored of this show right now because it lacks suspense when we know the protagonist can keep gaining extra lives that is all, i am gonna put it on hold until it's finished airing! |
| What's funny is the fact that the manga is more straightforward about Subaru in episode 12. Well, that makes at least the discussions surrounding his developments "interesting". [Don't use this for the argumentation for the anime though.] |
Re:Zero nice troll ending.  |
AmejiHunter said: i don't watch actions shows very often because they're aimed towards edgy teensMayuka said: k so i'm honestly really fucking bored of this show right now because it lacks suspense when we know the protagonist can keep gaining extra lives that is all, i am gonna put it on hold until it's finished airing! So, knowing that pretty much 99.9% of the anime have a MC that has a plot armor, you must be bored by a lot of anime huh. Sorry for you. in the sports, romance, or josei shows i watch, it's very easy for a main character to die (especially sports lmao) |
Sometimes791 said: What's funny is the fact that the manga is more straightforward about Subaru in episode 12. Well, at least the discussions surrounding it are "interesting". [Don't use this for the argumentation for the anime though.] Oh, well that's pretty interesting. So Subaru is more of a prick in the manga than in the anime. I might go and read the manga just because I love that. |
| Myth & Roid doing the OP! I'm gonna miss the previous OP and ED tho, loved them but the new OP is great. Nothing can compare to the old ED tho, nothing. What are you doing Subaru, I can't blame him but he's not acting like himself, and he's moving tactlessly. Tbh I want a revival soon by this stage. Rem... I guess revival is confirmed in next episode. |
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| Intense episode. I think that Rem's support of Subaru is very realistic. You have to understand her background. She grew up as the younger sister of one of the most powerful members of the Oni clan. Everyone basically ignored her, and she was sort of treated as a "good-for-nothing that will never amount to anything", even by her parents (although you could tell that her parents were not trying to do it intentionally). Subaru is going through a very similar emotional block, and as someone who understands where he is coming from, she feels that it is her duty to be the one to show love and support, even when no one else does. The one thing that you don't want to do to someone who is completely delusional is to cast them aside. Because the moment that you do is the moment that all hope for growth is lost. Combined with everything that he did for her in the previous arc, it makes sense. Now, with that being said, I do wonder if Subaru's checkpoint is going to be after Rem left him (since his gates were fully healed). If so, that will be ultimately heartbreaking, for both Subaru and for me. I like Rem, and seeing her dead for good would just make my heart ache. But on the other hand, I think that as far as character progression is concerned, her death is needed. This will be the _real_ wakeup call for him. Everyone seems to be confused as to why Subaru hasn't learned anything, but I think that they're forgetting that he has a magical power that allows him to go back in time and redo everything. Thus, it is only logical that he wouldn't take things seriously. Sure, he "learned his lesson" about that last arc, but it's very clear that something has made him forget about that. In fact, even the show is aware that he has regressed in personality. He lost the desire to improve and grow stronger as was pointed out later in the episode. I think that in understanding the permanence of his actions by having a mediocre (or even bad) checkpoint, he will learn to think more rationally. And that is when he will _really_ learn. So, I think everyone should just be patient. Everything will make sense soon enough, I believe. That probably didn't make any sense at, but whatever... As a side note though, I believe that Subaru _was_ starting to grow this episode. But when he was told that his spar with Julius meant nothing, that's when he began to regress again. |
AmejiHunter said: Sometimes791 said: What's funny is the fact that the manga is more straightforward about Subaru in episode 12. Well, at least the discussions surrounding it are "interesting". [Don't use this for the argumentation for the anime though.] Oh, well that's pretty interesting. So Subaru is more of a prick in the manga than in the anime. I might go and read the manga just because I love that. Especially interesting to his character are those lines: |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
It's funny how deaths in this series still make an impression on my, even when I know everything can be solved with one more death. Well, it's now more than obvious this arc will have more Rem and it will be like the de-evolution of Subaru. Honestly, the series in my opinion is not loosing strength. When the plot gets linear and predictable it's when it becomes boring, but here things are in constant motion, twists here and there and that makes your imagination fly. That's good for any series. Some people are suffering each week for this series, I now ask, would you like the series more if it didn't? I don't think so. If this makes you suffer it's because it's doing one hell of a job! The new OP looks great! Same vocals, same style but different visuals. It's not that spoiler-ish, I think it gives you key visuals to make an impression and impact. BTW, Crursh looks great in that dress. She's on top anyone else in my opinion jajaja. Personal opinion aside, Subaru should learn to take advices and gain friends instead of pushing them away as he now did with Reinherd. |
QWERTYFish25 said: ColdBreeze said: But he didn't. He saw some corpses in the houses and he didn't really care about them. He is/was delusional at that point till he got blood on his hands or had physical contact. I think that counts as broken or at least he is not sane anymore. Not everyone bursts into cries when they see the deceased. He's seen dead bodies before and probably has grown a bit numb to it. It got to him when he was covered in their blood and facing a pile of charred bodies. I don't know if that's a indication of being "mentally broken." Maybe they skipped over the initial reaction so they could build up to the part where he saw the "real" kicker; the pile of charred bodies, which interestingly is where the edgelord track kicks in. i'm a policeman in Brazil, a country seen by violence. Most of the people who see a slaughter here or any contact with murder has some psychological illness even in my country with high rates of murder. Most of the policeman have some change in his personality when they see something like that, remember they are trained. 90% of the world people cant see a slaughter. taking in mind reality of course. |
AmejiHunter said: She saved him So have other characters which (unlike Emilia) even risked their lives to do so. What Emilia did for him pales in comparison to what some of the other characters did, she just happend to be the first nice person he ran into (which is nothing that justifies the level of obsession he displays towards her). AmejiHunter said: offered him a place to stay No, she didn't. Him staying at Roswaal's mansion has nothing to do with Emilia being generous, it's part of Roswaal's "I grant you one wish for saving Emilia's insignia". |
AmejiHunter said: Well obviously, if you're watching drama anime there's a high chance an important character will die. Except the point in Re:Zero is not ''Will he die'' but ''When/How/Why will he die and what will he have to change to reach the happy ending''. Although that's the words I manage to find to explain my thoughts, I believe it's way deeper than that, but I am not able to correctly express it into words. Not really drama, but a show that's about real life (not some magic harem school bullshit), it's likely for anyone to die randomly. I'm not taking back my words; Rezero lacks suspense and thrill because the protagonist is guaranteed another chance whenever he fucks up. Now, it's just dragging along and feels very redundant. Or maybe it's because I'm watching it weekly and losing interest (I bingewatched the first 10 or so episodes). I've seen other shows that pull off the "Go back in time to fix the problems" much better like Orange, Steins;Gate or Erased. |
Fai said: Yuzuryn said: Also, Fai. You're right. He was portrayed as mentally broken in Arc 2. Why does it need to be shown in 3? Stuff like that just doesn't go away. Idk for me. (No special snowflake thing) I could tell he was still messed up by it. Hence why he was so pushy with Rem about going to see Emilia in case something happened to her. Because the portrayal is what matters in terms of interpretation. Him suddenly stopping in displaying those symptoms only can make the viewer take his actions at face value. So either he stopped being traumatized and is legit idiotic scumbag who is in no way similar to Subaru from before Ep12 or The directing and writing in this show suddenly became seriously shit. Either way that's not good for the show. Actually Fai could be right about this...or at least some points or partially. While i agree that Subaru was kinda broken in Act 2 or you could just say he was way past breaking point and just mentally collapsed. It does not mean he could not snap of it...at least partially and be in process of healing. And while in this process some other things like the selection happens....obviously he is mentally exhausted and has some other lingering problems....and becouse of that his worse side of personality comes to light more often. This happens in RL too so author could be getting at that. If this is true as author wanted it to be then directing is lacking...it may be task that they just cant handle....it may just be beyond their capabilities ...donno. Or maybe this theory could be wrong. We all know that Subaru is not normal and was not normal even before he went to this world....what happened before was not explained so we can only guess. So my point is that maybe he is not mentally ill....he could just be exhausted and his darker personality is not in check...everyone has that mean or majestic thinking and in his case its enhanced by the ability to come back again...the one he is relying now on and is wrapping his thought process. |
SalathielJul 4, 2016 11:28 AM
| [center]If you aren't troubling the rest of the world, then there's no harm in being abnormal. |
| @AmejiHunter And another very different scene is the slaughter in the town. In the manga it's depicted like that: |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
| The new OP is awesome!! Poor Rem though, the end of the episode got me crying. ;-; Subaru get your shit together and just listen what people tell you for once! |
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Sometimes791 said: in the manga the slaughtered village looks alot better@AmejiHunter And another very different scene is the slaughter in the town. In the manga it's depicted like that: |
Sometimes791 said: @AmejiHunter And another very different scene is the slaughter in the town. In the manga it's depicted like that: Making those swords must be a lucrative business. |
| Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
Sometimes791 said: What's funny is the fact that the manga is more straightforward about Subaru in episode 12. Well, that makes at least the discussions surrounding his developments "interesting". [Don't use this for the argumentation for the anime though.] Okay...Why the fuck is this not in the show? I guess it is "writing got shit in the anime" option then. |
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Prorewiel said: Sometimes791 said: in the manga the slaughtered village looks alot better@AmejiHunter And another very different scene is the slaughter in the town. In the manga it's depicted like that: They can't show it in the anime like that. There is also another page after the next one with a lot of violence, but I won't post it here. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
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