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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- More flashbacks this chapter..feels like this story has been dragging lately although I don't mind it. I'm okay with Katori I guess, not a character that I find myself liking much in the series though. However, it's kinda interesting to see her past. |
Stark700May 19, 2016 9:12 PM
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| I might be forgetting a flash here or there, but that was probably the most vivid look at the destruction of the first invasion so far. Seems like we're steadily building towards seeing more serious pasts and revelations. What affect will this match have on the jaded Katori? Each chapter can't come soon enough. |
dat_le_tat said: She might just want #1 for her family's sake. Katori just wanted to tag along with her friend/savior and support her, she's also probably the last 'family' she has left so yeah.Katori joined Border to repay her debt for Somei? What is Somei goal for being number 1? what happened to Somei family? Will Katori join Tamakoma 2? Why would Katori join T-2 xD |
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Chung2 said: He looked like a cross between Kido and Karasawa to me. Without Kido's scar.Anyway, did anyone think Somei's father looked like Kido lmao |
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| On a more serious note, will we be seeing Osamu and Hana have a talk anytime soon? They're both similar in a few ways so it could be interesting, although that also includes being somewhat anti social so it may never happen. |
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| I already stated my opinion in the first thread. I liked the flashback but it's a bit awkwardly placed. But I guess Ashihara wants to save the conclusion of the fight for his big anniversary placement in the next issue. |
p-kun said: - Somei is clearly the main character in the flashback. Which makes me wonder why Katori is particularly unhappy with Osamu... perhaps because he's so weak but gets the exception to join Border as combatant (thanks to MC status) and thus, is able to pursue his dream, while Somei was denied of that opportunity and thus denied of her dream. I can see that being the case. But besides being weak in this moment he is another obstacle to Katori for them to reach #1. So maybe she feels entitled to the accomplishment for what her and Somei have been through. |
Chung2 said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: Exactly. It's contradictory really.Only Somei is keeping the team together or they would have been wiped out by now in this match. The point is if Katori really wanted to make it up for Somei, she should have worked harder and tried to improve the team instead of lazing around and being a deterrent to it. What's contradictory? Katori after failing every attempt she believed she made (switching positions), she lost belief that she could make it to the top. She is someone who struggles with working past walls. |
| how to not act like main character if you ARE main character? :D the last monologue katori make me laugh. |
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| it's surprisingly depressing... |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: it's surprisingly depressing... Yeah, it's really depressing... because the more I think about it, the more I feel I am exactly like Katori (no, in fact, I am like her...). I think most of you are really harsh when you talk about Katori motivation. First, Katori is born as a genius so she never need to constantly improve herself since she is really young. Moreover, even if she say she want to become rank 1 (by following Somei), she never seek perfection/ first place at all. She just try to enjoy her life when she already have the necessary result at her age (good grade). What is wrong with that?? But, in the Border, she faces for the first time an indestructible wall (Nino). For someone who live really as life is natural, this is her first really challenge. It has to came with a total change (almost reverse) of attitude. You can't become an hard worker like that, you need an important trigger. She try many to improve by changing of position (to be true, she just run away) but she still have her psychological wall up. Moreover, she is cocky and pissed because she just basically fail. When you are a genius in a field, you know it and you are proud about it. This pride tell you to always stay ahead of "weakling" but right now, she is unable to move and she sees everyone improve without her. All her anger are collected against her and make her fall more and more. I really hope Wakamura give her the little push she need to overcome her fear. Something like that: Waka:"Stop thinking, you stupid" Kato:"I don't want to hear that from you, morron. --- Thank" Finally, the reason she follow Somei is really to help her and only that. She didn't think about the fun part at this time (but she will have fun anyways because she is like that). She is not heartless (you baka...) |
Chung2 said: Dues-aj said: After every wall she hit, she gave up. And after one big loss, she was entirely focused on lazing around. She's not trying hence it's contradictory to her so-called determination of carrying the burden of both hers and Somei's.What's contradictory? Katori after failing every attempt she believed she made (switching positions), she lost belief that she could make it to the top. She is someone who struggles with working past walls. Yeah, like I siad. She dosen't know how to work around these wall. She was determined to help Somei but once she failed enough times she decided that there was nothing she could do. And like Miura said, she was't as much laxing around but feeling depressed. which is probably because she dosen't know what to do to fix things. |
Chung2 said: Dues-aj said: Either way, she needs serious development (if Ashihara plans to use her in future arcs).Yeah, like I siad. She dosen't know how to work around these wall. She was determined to help Somei but once she failed enough times she decided that there was nothing she could do. And like Miura said, she was't as much laxing around but feeling depressed. which is probably because she dosen't know what to do to fix things. I hope she gets development as well since I think she is a character with a lot of potential. Granted if a character like Sasamori could get a little development then I think Katori has a good chance too. |
| I don't feel like writing my post on why you guys are being really whinny about this flashback so I'll just say that every team always get a chapter dedicated to their strory. This one happend to be a flashback instead of a team meeting. Live with it. On an other note, I think most of you misinterpret Katori a lot. You think she has been lax and lazy all this time and its true that she could have trained more but you need to see it from her perspective. Katori team IS the highest ranked team of their generation (some people of the same generation or younger are higher ranked BUT they are part of a team that includes people who have been around much longer). From that point of view she never thought she HAD to train because her genius status was working. Her team was the best. The reason she is so pissed off now is because she is beaing clearly outmatched by a completly younger team. If it was only Chika the trion monster and Yuma, a fellow genius, I'm sure she could have rationalized it but with Osamu in the mix she has to admit she has no excsuse. Moreover, they are pushed by an emotional goal in a similar way as Katori squad so Katori is forced to realise for the first time that maybe she didn't do enough for Somei if Osamu (a weakling) can lead his team like this. Wheter she scores a point or not I think this confrontation is already something that will change her attitude going forward. If she scores it won't be because of the power of feelings it will be because for the first time in her life she will REALLY try instead of coasting on her genius. |
| i hate lengthy flashbacks. |
| One way or another, if it promises some future develop. for Katori (and maybe her team, or only Somei too) or not, one thing is certain (it's a quote from a commentator in another site): "...because it really embodies a lot of what makes World Trigger great. All people in Border are meaningful, all agents are interesting and it never feels like our main characters are the most important people of the world. They are just the Squad we follow." Also, it's like @LuzNight said, it's not the first time that Ashihara gave to us some "squads background" with flashback etc. In past chaps, we learn Ko and Arafune's past etc. So, we are used to see some kind of frags, of little parts of someone (or squad) past and not a full chapter like the last one. I was thinking about what Somei said about Katori: - "It's difficult to change somebody who doesn't want to be changed." - - "[...]so maybe this means that this state is the best for her right now." This makes me agree, again, with LuzNight. She was in some kind of comfort zone, so, Maybe the T-2 "mix" messed up her mind. I know that for every rule there is an exception but, even with T-2 appearance she does not change. If she leaves the team? It would be interesting if Somei (following her path as an employee/operator) joins T-2 as the long awaited (for some of you) new operator - also, someone here said that this flashback was more a Somei's background than Katori. ..or, after the match, she can see Yuma and Osamu to talk etc and then, they change her mind (like Yuma saying that he does things cause it's fun etc). This endorses a little of @Sedgewic theory. |
KenboyMay 21, 2016 9:57 AM
| "[...]I have to admit I'm not a big anime fan. Most anime that makes it over here seems to be either about schoolgirls with supernatural powers who battle evil, or adolescent boys who - for some convoluted reason - wind up having to pilot big giant robots...although, today, you just need to put some boobs or harem and fantasy and it'll be 10/10." |
kisami said: i hate lengthy flashbacks. Well ''lenghty'' is subjective but by shonen manga standards 1 chapter isn't lenghty at all. |
p-kun said: I think if Katori changes, then the one pushing for it will be Somei. I think Katori's lack of motivation is because she's in Border to help out Somei, rather than to pursue her own ambition. For example, anyone who had tiger moms should understand that it gets really tiring and depressing to follow someone else's ambition, even if that someone else is the one you owe your life to. So, after this match, Katori might get super depressed and Somei might talk to her and to tell her to just do what she enjoys. Either she will leave Border or she will stay in Border to pursue her own dream, rather than Somei's. Ideally she will leave Border temporarily and Wakamura and Miura will have to learn to fend for themselves and get better. And Katori will realize she enjoyed being with her team and comes back to start over, but with a more positive mindset.... to be honest, I find a good ending for Katori's team to be boring, but Ashihara often ends the rank wars with all teams growing, so eh. That comment sums up a lot of theories/predictions/hope but personnaly I don't think that's what the situation demands. I really don't see the Katori team dynamic as being so bad. Maybe it's culture thing or maybe its because most other teams or so lovey dovey but I think that Katori team is so disastrous. Their coordination was more than acceptable and sure they argued but no matter what they said it didn't really affect their fight. I'm not saying that some improvements are not needed but I feel like a disbanding or Katori leaving would be a MUCH to harsh comment on their dynamic. |
Kenboy said: I was thinking about what Somei said about Katori: - "It's difficult to change somebody who doesn't want to be changed." - - "[...]so maybe this means that this state is the best for her right now." This makes me agree, again, with LuzNight. She was in some kind of comfort zone, so, Maybe the T-2 "mix" messed up her mind. I know that for every rule there is an exception but, even with T-2 appearance she does not change. If she leaves the team? It would be interesting if Somei (following her path as an employee/operator) joins T-2 as the long awaited (for some of you) new operator - also, someone here said that this flashback was more a Somei's background than Katori. Coming from someone with experience with what Katori is going through, she is not in her "comfort zone" right now. Somei said it about her when Katori was younger and was still getting by on her genius. The thing about being good at something is that everything feels right. You feel satisfied and happy. When you hit that wall everything stops making sense. You feel like you are no longer making the right choices. The idea to switch to something else seems like a good idea because you feel right and satisfied again. Katori right now is bitter, cynical, and angry. She has reached the point where she realized that she may never have that happy feeling of doing something satisfying again. She dosen't understand how to get over the wall. Miura mentioned it before, so she probably is going through a spout of depression. How Katori will develop past this will be interesting. She could learn to work past this wall and find the satisfaction in improving through hard work. Or she could work past the wall only to continue searching for that satisfaction and not find it. Only to continue in that direction wondering if maybe that other thing was the better direction to take. |
| So how strict is Jump on dates given for anniversary covers? I'm really curious if the length of this match is so that the big victory aligns with the anniversary. |
p-kun said: Dues-aj said: So how strict is Jump on dates given for anniversary covers? I'm really curious if the length of this match is so that the big victory aligns with the anniversary. They are not strict, but they are also not purposely aligned with the story. It's common to have anniversary cover while nothing much happens in story or while the story is still building up for the climax. I don't think the match will concludes next chapter. Most likely we'll deal with Katori next chapter and deal with Teruya next next chapter. Concluding in the next chapter is only possible if Teruya gets dealt with swiftly, which means that she is a shitty agent who is overhyped. Huh, I guess I was just trying to figure out the reason why this match is so unnaturally long. Also I could see it being 1 chapter. I think you could do both agents fair justice in 9 pages each, but who knows. |
| Oh hey, LuzNight is back. |
| "The big secret to breaking the rules is to make it look as though you're following them." - Liebert |
icecreamsnow said: LuzNight said: On an other note, I think most of you misinterpret Katori a lot. You think she has been lax and lazy all this time and its true that she could have trained more but you need to see it from her perspective. Katori team IS the highest ranked team of their generation (some people of the same generation or younger are higher ranked BUT they are part of a team that includes people who have been around much longer). From that point of view she never thought she HAD to train because her genius status was working. Her team was the best. The reason she is so pissed off now is because she is beaing clearly outmatched by a completly younger team. If it was only Chika the trion monster and Yuma, a fellow genius, I'm sure she could have rationalized it but with Osamu in the mix she has to admit she has no excsuse. Moreover, they are pushed by an emotional goal in a similar way as Katori squad so Katori is forced to realise for the first time that maybe she didn't do enough for Somei if Osamu (a weakling) can lead his team like this. But personally I don't think she is a genius. She's got two supports that whilst they don't have many points, have proved good at saving her ass, and a sharp operator. Yes, she got master class in attacker and gunner quickly (8k points), but Arafune has 8k in Eaglet and Kogetsu, it's just that his skillsets don't synergise well. Whilst not being on the Fujin list could be because of compatability, the fact that B-rankers Yuba and Ikoma were indicates that both of them must be A-rank quality or incredibly near. With Katagiri squad and the other A rankers, I wouldn't expect Katori to be in the top 20 attackers . Since their main achievement is staying in the top B bracket for two seasons, it really depends exactly when Nino and Kage dropped down. They have mentioned her as being a genius so many times that I think that ship as sailed no matter what you think... And your arguments do work anyway: You can't compare her with Arafune because we have no idea how long it took Arafune to reach master in these two disciplines. Also, Katori didn't just learn 2 position, she learned 3 (attacker, gunner AND all-rounder). All-rounder my be easier to learn once you already have attacker and gunner but it's still worth something. Especially when you look at someone like Kotaro who uses both types of trigger but still isn't called an all-rounder. Finally, your talk about Fujin as ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with talent. Black trigger compatibility is a personality thing. In theory, even an operator could be compatible. |
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