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shanimebib said: I think the MCs are likable so far so it's still watchable. That makes me hopefully I will like this. |
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| Loving the steampunk style and zombies XD Looking forward to this show! |
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yukiat said: but I cannot wrap my head around why they lowered the bridge for trains to pass through without even checking if there are zombies clinging on to the exterior of the train. Point further reinforced with the 2nd train. 1) Bad infrastructure 2) The trains bring in "supplies" 3) If you were secluding yourself from the outside world, the only reason you would bring in ANYTHING from the outside world, except for important people from other secluded areas, is if you need what they bring in in order to eat. Basically, they regularly get supplies that are vital to making food, one way or another. Therefore, when a train is on time and on schedule and does the handshape (blows the whistle), they aren't suspicious. As for why the train line goes directly into the city, well, that's because they're stupid. |
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| The plot is really fragile. A single fuck up can turn this from a masterpiece to a trainwreck. Gonna keep it up to see how they will deliver |
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Farxin said: That's not really how you stop a virus, but I made up a theory that kinda explains how it could work. Noticed how the veins and hearts of Kabane have that orange glow? My bet is, that's the virus, it propably cannot survive outside of blood for a long time. The body of an infected person turns purple because of the virus going out of the veins ad dying out. That would explain why Kabane follow blood. The second part is, the virus is propably vulnerable to human's immune system, so it has a limited amout of time to get to the brain and "turn it off". This and its inability to survive outside of blood mean that strangling yourself is a valid way of not letting the virus get to the brain. The theory is not perfect, but... makes at least some sense I guess. I was gonna say that there's no reason that in a world were when you become a zombie you get a free steel coated heart viruses should work the same as in our world (or at least that virus), but I like your explanation. |
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Zalmox1s said: I feel quite the opposite. The moment a loli cut the head of a zombie with ease, and yet trained soldiers with guns designed to combat zombies were falling like flies, the anime lost all the sense of danger it had. That was not a combat situation, it was a duel. I think Mumei was only able to cut off its head that easily, because it was just her and one kabane, and she had ample time to get ready. In a chaotic swarming situation, soldiers won't be able to go for heads like that, not even with larger blades. KoreaWS said: Farxin said: That's not really how you stop a virus, but I made up a theory that kinda explains how it could work. Noticed how the veins and hearts of Kabane have that orange glow? My bet is, that's the virus, it propably cannot survive outside of blood for a long time. The body of an infected person turns purple because of the virus going out of the veins ad dying out. That would explain why Kabane follow blood. The second part is, the virus is propably vulnerable to human's immune system, so it has a limited amout of time to get to the brain and "turn it off". This and its inability to survive outside of blood mean that strangling yourself is a valid way of not letting the virus get to the brain. The theory is not perfect, but... makes at least some sense I guess. I was gonna say that there's no reason that in a world were when you become a zombie you get a free steel coated heart viruses should work the same as in our world (or at least that virus), but I like your explanation. Are we sure that the kabane-cage is actually made of steel (or iron), and not something similar to "Metapod uses harden"? Regarding the cirus theories, I'll just quote myself: Laionidas said: My understanding is that he cauterised the wound with a glowing ember and isolated the part of his body that was truly infected (his left arm). He then suffocated himself to not allow what comparatively little amount had allready passed his contraption to dissipate safely without giving it a chance to reach his brain. This might actually not be a virus, but something else that works similar to a necrotic venom as injected by some snakes. |
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| So basically a zombie AOT+Snowpiercer? Not caring at all about hype and backlash and I will not care about it till the end. The first episode was very good although if it goes bad it will really fall through the ground as it's just overwhelmingly ambitious. They need to be inch perfect Visuals were stunning as promised, 80s anime vibe, looked very good |
| Very good episode the plot was excellent and everything in between. Great job by Wit. |
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| I'm hyped. Definitely aot vibes, obviously, but I feel like the characters are at least a little more interesting... Loving the art style, gives me 90s vibes especially in the girls' faces. MC's character design and personality are lovely, plus I have a weakness for steampunk so this is all great. I hope they keep up with the action and thriller that happened this episode. Also EGOIST <3<3<3<3 |
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| he just took out the poison that was killing him!!!!!?? is he immune now?? or is this is second time, or i dont know man, all the spring animes are only good in the last 5 seconds, i did not see any of this coming. |
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| damn i love the artstyle of this show but everything else is generic horror? not like that's a 100% bad thing but yea |
| Me quedaré viendo la serie, se ve muy bien. Really good first episode. The first half was used to give us the basics, situation, fears, taboos, etc. The second half was based on the destruction of the secure are. It managed the tension nicely. I'm not surprised given the staff in charge. The art style is original and gives a something extra. It looks like art from the 90s but with today's animation. Now, it was hard not to think in Shingeki no Kyoujin. From the beginning with the fight, the invasion of the Corpses to the secure zone, destroying the walls, the scenes of the Corpses eating civilians, and even the scene when the MC is apparently sentenced to death by being bitten by one (like the time Eren was eaten). Heavily inspired in Snk, but that's not a bad thing. Looking forward to more episodes =) PD: I thought the MC was about to suicide with that weird machine xD How is that he know has a white thread of hair??? I hope they explain more how he saved himself and how he was so prepared to that event. |
Farxin said: If it's not a virus, either we've been lied to or MC is not that smart. I'd say it's some kind of venom too, but unless anime confirms it, we should stick to the virus theory. Do they actually say 'virus' in the original Japanese version? Because I only hear the MC state that it's 'not a curse' (no,.. really?). In general though, I think we're adhering to strongly to real world science. It might even be a virus, acting like it were a venom. That would be absolute bullshit ofcourse, but so is an incubation period of seconds resulting in physical mutation of large portions of the body, and rapid fire steam guns (seriously, how are you going to store presurised steam in copper or brass backpack cylinders, without burning your back?). |
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| I legit sat there like "GUYS COME ON, IT'S DARK! Don't lower that bridge don't do-.. he's not going to pull it up on time is he?..Welp. RIP everyone." I saw it coming though (or rather I didn't?) the moment I didn't see the train. Did think it was pretty wtf when they lowered the bridge and had the train stop during the day but not at night. x'D It seems like protocol but they just ignored it. I honestly shrug it off to the fuck up of every horror movie in this case anime. It happened because we needed a way to kill everyone! >:v It's not something I have a major issue with. I definitely like the main characters so far. It has a really nice 90s vibe too and hair styles. And the girl with the short kimono reminds me of a cat with the way she moves and that bell.~ Looking forward to more, it shows quite a good amount of promise. ; u ; |
Laionidas said: Farxin said: If it's not a virus, either we've been lied to or MC is not that smart. I'd say it's some kind of venom too, but unless anime confirms it, we should stick to the virus theory. Do they actually say 'virus' in the original Japanese version? Because I only hear the MC state that it's 'not a curse' (no,.. really?). In general though, I think we're adhering to strongly to real world science. It might even be a virus, acting like it were a venom. That would be absolute bullshit ofcourse, but so is an incubation period of seconds resulting in physical mutation of large portions of the body, and rapid fire steam guns (seriously, how are you going to store presurised steam in copper or brass backpack cylinders, without burning your back?). Lol someone became a fanboy of this series. Every time I take a look at this thread I'm seeing this avatar with captaincrunch on it. Lol |
| I really liked it. Obviously it shares a lot of similarities with Attack on Titan but I don't think that it's a "ripoff" or anything, in fact anyone who does say that it's a ripoff is just trying to find things to complain about. Animation style was very "90's" which was refreshing. Mumei is my new reason to live. |
keragamming said: Lol someone became a fanboy of this series. Every time I take a look at this thread I'm seeing this avatar with captaincrunch on it. Lol Oh FFS,.. I wasn't passing any judgment on the series here, neither negative nor positive. I was just suggesting not treating this show as an episode of Mythbusters. Are you the type of person to complain that the Teletubbies can't have a TV screen on their tummy because their anatomy doesn't allow for it? And yes, I do follow up on my posts on fora, because otherwise, what's the point? By the way, this has become a lot easier on MAL, now that we actually get notifications of quotes. Also, thank you for being so enamoured by 'Cpt. Crunch'. I drew him. |
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Laionidas said: keragamming said: Lol someone became a fanboy of this series. Every time I take a look at this thread I'm seeing this avatar with captaincrunch on it. Lol Oh FFS,.. I wasn't passing any judgment on the series here, neither negative nor positive. I was just suggesting not treating this show as an episode of Mythbusters. Are you the type of person to complain that the Teletubbies can't have a TV screen on their tummy because their anatomy doesn't allow for it? And yes, I do follow up on my posts on fora, because otherwise, what's the point? By the way, this has become a lot easier on MAL, now that we actually get notifications of quotes. Also, thank you for being so enamoured by 'Cpt. Crunch'. I drew him. I'm kinda confuse here, I didn't mean it in a bad way. You've drawn that? It looks impressive. |
| I'm not exactly sure how the MC un-infected himself, or how the bridge was even allowed to be lowered. However, there's a decent chance the destruction still would have been the same even if the bridge hadn't been lowered. He's also gonna have to hide that he was even bitten or they'll instantly just kill the him. |
| The later train was on time and on schedule. Because the conductor's hand remained on the gas. They inspected the earlier train because it was too early. Something was amiss. Turns out it was because they bypassed an earlier fort because it had fallen. Do people even pay attention when they watch things? Additionally, I spent the beginning of AOT thinking I wanted to strangle the MC. This one isn't just loudly passionate, he's intelligent and inventive. Studying the disease, inventing weapons, etc. The girl is also playful and competent, not just boring with no personality. The MC in this is looking for a cure whereas the other wanted to just kill them. Not every post-apocalyptic thing is based on AOT. The animation was superb and I was getting a real "classic anime" vibe from it. I think it will be good. |
| It is possible the virus doesn't last very long and only has a short time to infect the host via the brain. By cutting off the circulation to the brain, this fictional virus might die off before it can overtake the host. Obviously fictional but if we believe in zombie viruses, we're already in the realm of fiction. |
| Clearly any work of fiction with a premise involving monsters attacking humanity is a ripoff of AoT. Neon Genesis Evangelion is an AoT ripoff. |
Lobinde said: this is because people don't read enoughClearly any work of fiction with a premise involving monsters attacking humanity is a ripoff of AoT. |
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Laionidas said: Are we sure that the kabane-cage is actually made of steel (or iron), and not something similar to "Metapod uses harden"? Goddammit when he mentioned the caged heart I inmediately associated it with steel. Never watch anime whiler ironing clothes or doing other things, you fuck up and miss details... |
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| Last few pages has a lot of arguments over this case, but it's not that stopping the train is part of the protocol. The protocol is that they can't let trains in unless the inspection and maintenance teams are ready in the quarantine area. The first train had to wait because it was arriving at an unscheduled time, so nobody was at the quarantine zone, but the second train didn't have to wait because the quarantine zone would have been staffed since it was scheduled. They didn't lower the bridge just because it was on schedule either, the scene deliberately showed us the kabane accidentally sounding the train's horn, there's a reason for that and it's likely the horn is supposed to be a signal that everything is normal on their side.[/quote] That makes a lot more sense, no one would suspect a Kabane setting off the horn, I was kinda hoping it was clever enough to do it on purpose though since one knew to come from the top of the roof and not the front entrance. |
| Oh boy here we got again... I hope this don't turn out into a total SnK with dozens of plotholes and boring characters. edit: Xenocrisi said: shanimebib said:   If you can rationalize the two pictures above you will realize plot wise how bad the first episode was. I will not say more. I don't see anything wrong with the two pictures above. Well it looks like I'm not alone in this one, why the fuck they did stop the train during the day and not at night is just beyond me. |
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GOTL said: TYxTxYT said: 7/10 for it's plot holes It's the first episode god damn it. How is there plot holes when the plot isn't even begin yet... The train bro...the midnight train. It's not like they will explain it later, that event is done, due, over. |
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| I will say the first episode was pretty good. Decent action and OST. Didn't really care much for the wide-eyed idealist remarks that came out of the MC but they felt pretty natural. It seems to me this may be one of those one the road anime's considering the trains and such. Possibly a mission to clear out the over taken stations or to find out the cause behind all of this? Either way, I've got a pretty good feeling about this. Hoping for a second cour already. |
Jonny_Mhl said: The train was arriving on time and everything seemed fine but then they had realized what happened, the train would've stopped because everyone was already dead. I believe it was mention being time unlike the first so the were expecting a smooth ride or something. Then they found out last minute.Oh boy here we got again... I hope this don't turn out into a total SnK with dozens of plotholes and boring characters. edit: Well it looks like I'm not alone in this one, why the fuck they did stop the train during the day and not at night is just beyond me. |
| I definitely watching this for waiting Snk second season only and for survival tag! Seriously it can be better if those wall doesn't break at first ep which make it really similar to Snk first ep too not that I'm comparing oh never mind Ima gonna watch this for fun..... |
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| SnK 2.0?? Hopefully it'll be better than that. Still not sure how he killed the virus by suffocating himself, hopefully it's explained soon. |
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Welp, our back-and-forth got moderated, so I'll just summarize my last reply in case you didn't see it: Not at all, that was only at the beginningYou're arguing that there's specifically a "trains must come to full stop" safety protocol that was applied to the first train and that the contradiction was that it wasn't applied to the second train. I'm arguing that there is no such protocol, the first train stopping was a result of the station applying the "trains can only be allowed in when the teams are ready" safety protocol, which they applied equally, without contradiction, to both trains. After that I said it doesn't make sense for them not to have the bridge up when the train arrives From your reasoning, I can see why you believe there's a plot hole, but let's use an analogy to explain why I don't agree: That analogy doesn't make senseSay you're at a chemistry lab, there's an emergency eye wash for anyone who accidentally gets something in their eyes; safety protocol is clearly "if something gets in your eye, use the emergency eye wash"; Student A gets something in their eye, washes it out, while Student B doesn't get anything in their eye and thus doesn't wash their eyes. You're basically complaining that Student B violated safety protocols because they didn't wash their eyes and that, if people cared about their eyes, everyone should wash their eyes regardless if they have anything in it. The former is simply untrue and the latter does not illustrate any sort of contradiction. |
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Exactly, it's the same reason why I find your argument that there's a contradiction that doesn't make sense. It's a contradiction because they established from the very beginning that humanity is on the brink of extinction and yet their safety measures are shitOne safety protocol, two different situations, two different results due to how the protocol is applied to each situation. Student A washes their eyes, Student B doesn't; Train A has to wait for the bridge, Train B doesn't. A difference in results is not a contradiction. Edit: just to clarify, I'm equating "plot hole" with "a contradiction in previously shown events". If by plot hole you just mean that you think security should have been tighter in general then I apologize for banging on about an outdated argument. I couldn't tell when you switched arguments because you never corrected me I did though |
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| Having finally finished this first episode, I can honestly say it has exceeded my expectations, albeit not by much. In order to best describe my thoughts, I will compare it to what I have seen of SnK, because let's be honest, this show is merely a carbon copy of SnK, whether or not its execution is better. In terms of the story, this first episodeis nothing we have yet to see in the past. Grimdark post-apocalyptic battle for survival with myriads of vain violence trying invoke a sense of dread and shock. Creative, creative indeed. That being said, I do enjoy the industrial revolution/steampunk setting, so that is a plus. We also have that plot hole regarding the trains that has been heavily discussed here so far. It felt so contrived, it was almost funny. Almost Delving into the characters, I suppose it is a hit-and-miss, but the cast seems to be a bit more well-rounded than what we were given in SnK. Unlike Eren, Ikoma seems to possess an actual head on his shoulders and doesn't feel the need to fret over every minisule that has happened in the most dramatic way possible. I will admit his being able to survive the virus felt slightly contrived, however. We also seem to have a psychotic loli in Mumei. Once again, it felt contrived that she was strong enough to defeat a Kabane effortlessly while everyone else could do nothing but be bitten by them. Looking at the production, it felt a little messy, as expected of WIT. The overall animation was fairly well-done, and the sheer detail put into the backgrounds really captivated me. It help me enjoy the world all the more. But the character designs... I fail to see how anyone really thought them nice or anything. Someone mentioned the characters giving off a faint glow, which I also noticed and found highly distracting. Seemed similar to subpar CGI of the past. The music, while good on its own, was over-dramatic and not really needed in some scenes, but at this point point, I am not surprised given Araki's past works. But seriously, the music does not need to be that dramatic. It is not making this show any better. Overall, I will give this episode a 6.5/10, it managed to keep me engaged, despite all of my annoyances with it, which is more than what I thought it would do. Maybe it will get better, but I sense a trainwreck on a greater scale than this episode itself. |
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| WOW, thats way better than what I expected. 5/5 for the 1st episode |
keragamming said: I'm kinda confuse here, I didn't mean it in a bad way. You've drawn that? It looks impressive. Well 'fanboy' is seldom used as a compliment, but no worries. In any case, it's is from a comic I originally drew with pencil. I liked it, so I traced it, scanned it, and coloured it, to use as my avatar. If you click on my profile, you can see I even signed it with 'Laionidas' ;-) Here's are some other ones I did: The background for the 2nd one was just ripped off Google though, and in general I quite suck at digital drawing (pencil and paper guy). KoreaWS said: Laionidas said: Are we sure that the kabane-cage is actually made of steel (or iron), and not something similar to "Metapod uses harden"? Goddammit when he mentioned the caged heart I inmediately associated it with steel. Never watch anime whiler ironing clothes or doing other things, you fuck up and miss details... Hahaha,.. well the fact that he used a metal plate as a backstop, and even as a practise target when he had run out of kabane hearts, probably added to the confusion. Lobinde said: Clearly any work of fiction with a premise involving monsters attacking humanity is a ripoff of AoT. Neon Genesis Evangelion is an AoT ripoff. The Walking Dead, especially the Woodburry arc is just another botched Hollywood live action remake of AoT. |
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Here's the thing: while you're calling it shit, their safety measures didn't actually fail. Safety measures are supposed to protect people and obviously their safety measures didn'tIf the train showed up without blowing its horn, or if the horn was constantly blowing (because the dead conductor's arm should have been heavy enough to keep the chain pulled down permanently), the guards would have been suspicious and ordered the bridge to stay up. Instead the writer/director came up with this really weird and convoluted way for a kabane to accidentally blow the horn in such a natural way (three or four times in a row, no less) that guards who have been receiving trains for years didn't suspect a thing. That's not a problem with their safety measures, that's a problem with the directing. You believe the safety measures could be better. Fine, I agree with that sentiment. I don't agree that makes it a contradiction with the setting though, because it hasn't actually demonstrated itself to easily fail under reasonably imaginable situations. And I don't believe a kabane accidentally blowing the horn like that and warehouse-sized armored train cars flipping over 100 feet tall walls are reasonable in the slightest. The safety measures didn't even get a chance to grow into a plot hole, it was snuffed in the crib by bad directing. So yes they failed and the plot convenient plot hole was caused by the director's bad directing Comic_Sans said: You didn't. Your replies never got more informative than "you proved me right" and "you didn't make an argument" (except for when we were trading barbs). At no point did you ever say anything remotely close to "you're arguing something different than what I'm saying".I did though |
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