| Yes it is |
| Golden age will be 2016. So much animes coming out + new seasons!! |
| I ship @Cewkie and @DarkZeroCalibur  |
Horatio_Nelson said: bigivelfhq said: Because sales equate to quality!!!!In reality the industry is in fact right now in a Golden Age. Basically it is in a Bubble, where a ton of series are made and a lot of series are highly popular. Now the question is if this bubble will ever burst and if it will, when. Simple example with series sales above 10k since 2010: 2015 - 10 series; 37,399 biggest - 10,035 lowest(Fall sales still not counted) 2014 - 12 series; 65,813 biggest - 10,019 lowest 2013 - 12 series; 52,052 biggest - 10,158 lowest 2012 - 14 series; 60,709 biggest - 10,040 lowest 2011 - 15 series; 71,057 biggest - 10,535 lowest 2010 - 11 series; 39,472 biggest - 10,364 lowest Looking at 2007 that is said to be an amazing year 2007 - 9 series; 39,355 biggest - 12,080 lowest(In order: Gundam 00, Lucky Star, Clannad, Lyrical Nanoha StrikeS, Gurren Lagann, Big Windup, Gintama season 2, Mononoke, Minami-ke) In terms of the industry, this last 6 years are showing to be better than 2007. 2000-2010 is still the golden age imo. The big 3 shonen titles were actually good back then. Gurren Lagann happened. FMA happened. Death Note and Code Geass both happened. Welcome to the NHK happened. The Fate/Stay Night and nonexistent Tsukihime anime, bad as they were, paved the way for future light novel adaptations. The biggest thing that 2011-2015 can boast of is Hunter x Hunter, and that alone isn't enough to compare with all of the series I just mentioned. Next year does look awesome though, so that might change my mind. Golden Age isn't about what you think is "quality" and what you like either, but the high point of an entity, that in this case is the anime industry. This high point is defined by its audience in general, and so popularity and sales are a good indication of that. We are now in a industry bubble because of that. For Example it doesn't matter if you didn't like Dragon Ball, Slam Dunk, Yu Yu Hakusho, Saint Seiya, Kochikame, Rokudenashi Blues, Dragon Quest: Legend of Dai, and other Weekly Shonen Jump series, but during that time Weekly Shonen Jump was definitely in its Golden Age/Era. Why? Because that was the most profitable, successful and popular time of the Magazine. It didn't matter if you never liked Spider-Man, Fantastic 4, Hulk, X-Men, but the golden Age/Era of Marvel happened when they were running. Why? Because that was the most profitable, successful and popular time of the company. You say that 2011-2015 can only boast about is HunterxHunter(2011), but there is a ton more stuff. In reality HunterxHunter(2011) didn't had a big impact in the industry at all. 2011 -> Madoka Magica, Fate/Zero, Infinite Stratos, Anohana, Persona 4, IdolM@ster, Tiger & Bunny, Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon, Uta no Pince-sama, Steins;Gate, Working!, Blue Exorcist, Gintama, Azazel san, Kimi ni Todoke, Yondemasu Azazel-san, Bakuman 2nd season and a ton of other series. 2012 -> Nisemonogatari, Sword Art Online, Girls and Panzer, Kuroko no Basket, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Chunnibyou, Hyouka, Little Busters!, K, Inu x Boku, Another, Magi, Muv Luv alternative and many other series. 2013 -> Attack on Titan, Monogatari 2nd season, Uta no Prince-sama 2nd season, Love Live!, Free!, Kuroko no Basket 2nd season, To Aru Railgun S, Kill la Kill, Little Busters 2nd season, Infinite Stratos 2nd season, Non Non Byori, Suisei Gargantia, Gundam Build Fighters and a ton of other series. And so on. And this is only talking of Night time TV series. We had the long running anime popularity and even the rise to even bigger heights of some of those series(Example: One Piece) and even the appearance of new ones like Aikatsu! and Space Brothers in 2012, and Youkai Watch in 2014. We also had the return of Kindaichi Case Files, Lupin III, Hajime no Ippo, Space Battleship yamato, HunterXHunter, Dragon Bal, Saint Seiya, Code Geass and many other old popular series. And even in the anime Movies part we are also in an high point in the industry. You can deny how much you want, but the fact is that the anime industry is in a golden Era/Bubble right now: - http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-01-01/report-japan-animation-industry-reached-record-high-in-2013/.82767 - http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-08-25/report-anime-industry-up-10-percent-in-2014/.92114 |
bigivelfhqDec 13, 2015 2:50 PM
DateYutaka said: bigivelfhq said: In reality the industry is in fact right now in a Golden Age. Basically it is in a Bubble, where a ton of series are made and a lot of series are highly popular. Now the question is if this bubble will ever burst and if it will, when. Simple example with series sales above 10k since 2010: 2015 - 10 series; 37,399 biggest - 10,035 lowest(Fall sales still not counted) 2014 - 12 series; 65,813 biggest - 10,019 lowest 2013 - 12 series; 52,052 biggest - 10,158 lowest 2012 - 14 series; 60,709 biggest - 10,040 lowest 2011 - 15 series; 71,057 biggest - 10,535 lowest 2010 - 11 series; 39,472 biggest - 10,364 lowest Looking at 2007 that is said to be an amazing year 2007 - 9 series; 39,355 biggest - 12,080 lowest(In order: Gundam 00, Lucky Star, Clannad, Lyrical Nanoha StrikeS, Gurren Lagann, Big Windup, Gintama season 2, Mononoke, Minami-ke) In terms of the industry, this last 6 years are showing to be better than 2007. lol oonly foucs on sales odd but typical mal "Simple Example" Instead of being so dramatic, why not also including other examples? |
bigivelfhqDec 13, 2015 2:50 PM
Baitdragon16 said: hoopla123 said: no that was 2007 Much better candidate, golden age is 1995-2009 tbh, let's all be in peace, except for the new-gen that only like the crap produced afterwards, jk. ichii_1 said: Horatio_Nelson said: Because sales equate to quality!!!! It's a major part of it thou. A golden age that sells like shit isn't golden, it's shit. Wrong, if you interpret it that way, anime sales may have always been growing as fans are accumluative, so you can't quantify it that simply. The past influences the future so unless all anime were created at the same time, there is no true way of telling which one would be more popular/get more sales because past anime may have attracted fans which led to higher sales in more recent anime. Whenever you introduce the context into a statistic, the truth becomes very blurred. Also sales != popularity it depends on many other factors and I'd argue popularity is a much better indicator than sales, albeit I'm against both. So what is a good indicator? It's hard, but I guess the overall opinion of an analytical/critical community such as (part of) MAL, and don't get confused, I'm no saying all of our opinions here contribute to this overall opinion. Although taste is subjective, there is such a thing as a good opinion and a bad one and I'm not going to expand on this, it's been explained many times. |
hoopla123 said: no that was 2007 "Ages" are supposed to be longer than 1 year. |
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| Usually I try to not be a hater, hipster, "that guy" or a negative person, but if this year was considered a "golden age" for anime... My hopes for anime future would die right here and then. Don't get me wrong, some good anime aired this year (Noragami Aragoto, One Punch Man, Fate/Stay Night UBW, among a few others), but most were your usual crappy harems, one of them and the respective sequel being borderline hentai... Anime *needs* to break away from this harem trend, otherwise we will never hit another "golden age".   |
MrKai23 said: So many good nowadays like One Punch Man and even returning ones like DBS. It's beautiful. DBS isn't a returning one, it's a milking one It's no more than a disappointing remake of a movie |
 (っ◔◡◔)っ 𝓘 𝔀𝓲𝓼𝓱 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓪𝓵𝓵 𝓱𝓪𝓿𝓮 𝓪 𝔀𝓸𝓷𝓭𝓮𝓻𝓯𝓾𝓵 𝓭𝓪𝔂 ♥ |
ShiroiMuffler said: Baitdragon16 said: Much better candidate, golden age is 1995-2009 tbh, let's all be in peace, except for the new-gen that only like the crap produced afterwards, jk. ichii_1 said: It's a major part of it thou. A golden age that sells like shit isn't golden, it's shit. Wrong, if you interpret it that way, anime sales may have always been growing as fans are accumluative, so you can't quantify it that simply. The past influences the future so unless all anime were created at the same time, there is no true way of telling which one would be more popular/get more sales because past anime may have attracted fans which led to higher sales in more recent anime. Whenever you introduce the context into a statistic, the truth becomes very blurred. Also sales != popularity it depends on many other factors and I'd argue popularity is a much better indicator than sales, albeit I'm against both. So what is a good indicator? It's hard, but I guess the overall opinion of an analytical/critical community such as (part of) MAL, and don't get confused, I'm no saying all of our opinions here contribute to this overall opinion. Although taste is subjective, there is such a thing as a good opinion and a bad one and I'm not going to expand on this, it's been explained many times. "Growing fans are accumulative, so you can't quantify it that simply", isn't right at all. People come, people go, people grow with the industry, people grow out of it, New people can get attracted with it and enter, people can not get attracted and not enter. A period of time being good or not, has to do with how much it attracts its new and old viewers, and in the end you get how the industry is faring, by the end results(sales, TV ratings, Merchandise sales,...) . So yep, if a era/age sells shit, it indeed means that isn't golden but shit, because it means didn't maintained the previous fans nor brought enough of new ones . All series that have great sales are popular. So yep, sales is highly related wit popularity, because a lot of people buying a single thing, means that a ton of people like it. In other words is popular. Having big sales is enough to be popular. Golden Age/Era has nothing to do with opinion though! Is a pretty concrete concept. You're in a Golden Age/Era if you're in a period of time with exceptionally great results. Unless you're saying that Animation industry never had a exceptional great result, than we have to be in a Golden Era, because we are in a period better than any other in the anime industry. |
RayAdha said: MrKai23 said: So many good nowadays like One Punch Man and even returning ones like DBS. It's beautiful. DBS isn't a returning one, it's a milking one It's no more than a disappointing remake of a movie It is returning because it stopped for 11 years if we include Kai remake, and 18 years if we talk of original content with Super. |
| sure |
 ☁ cyborg robot squirrels ☁ |
| The Golden Ange of anime was definitely 1998. I'm pretty biased about it since that was the year I was born and everything but look at this. This is the list of anime released in `98, all of which are awarded "classic" status. Cowboy Bebop Trigun Berserk Initial D Golgo 13: Queen Bee End of Evangelion Outlaw Star Serial Experiments Lain |
bigivelfhq said: ShiroiMuffler said: Much better candidate, golden age is 1995-2009 tbh, let's all be in peace, except for the new-gen that only like the crap produced afterwards, jk. Wrong, if you interpret it that way, anime sales may have always been growing as fans are accumluative, so you can't quantify it that simply. The past influences the future so unless all anime were created at the same time, there is no true way of telling which one would be more popular/get more sales because past anime may have attracted fans which led to higher sales in more recent anime. Whenever you introduce the context into a statistic, the truth becomes very blurred. Also sales != popularity it depends on many other factors and I'd argue popularity is a much better indicator than sales, albeit I'm against both. So what is a good indicator? It's hard, but I guess the overall opinion of an analytical/critical community such as (part of) MAL, and don't get confused, I'm no saying all of our opinions here contribute to this overall opinion. Although taste is subjective, there is such a thing as a good opinion and a bad one and I'm not going to expand on this, it's been explained many times. "Growing fans are accumulative, so you can't quantify it that simply", isn't right at all. People come, people go, people grow with the industry, people grow out of it, New people can get attracted with it and enter, people can not get attracted and not enter. A period of time being good or not, has to do with how much it attracts its new and old viewers, and in the end you get how the industry is faring, by the end results(sales, TV ratings, Merchandise sales,...) . So yep, if a era/age sells shit, it indeed means that isn't golden but shit, because it means didn't maintained the previous fans nor brought enough of new ones . All series that have great sales are popular. So yep, sales is highly related wit popularity, because a lot of people buying a single thing, means that a ton of people like it. In other words is popular. Having big sales is enough to be popular. Golden Age/Era has nothing to do with opinion though! Is a pretty concrete concept. You're in a Golden Age/Era if you're in a period of time with exceptionally great results. Unless you're saying that Animation industry never had a exceptional great result, than we have to be in a Golden Era, because we are in a period better than any other in the anime industry. That's only one of my points though, and I didn't draw any conclusion from it. Key point is you have put data into context, and I'm not saying this means older anime is supposed to sell less than newer anime, in fact I'm just saying you can't draw conclusion from it such as popularity and this is my other important point is that popularity should be a better indicator than sales, but sales does not necessarily imply popularity due to various other factors which may include accumulation of fans. I'd say this accumulation applies more so to the earlier times (pre-2000 for example). This is same as when a new sport or type of competition is created, it takes time to ramp up and you have to treat the beginning differently. Anyways, fact is sales != popularity and heck I don't even see popularity as a good indication of golden age. |
| It will be when Shingeki no Kyojin season 2 comes out. |
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| lul |
Wensbane said: Sales and profit alone do not equal greatness. Movies are making more money than ever, and yet, basically all critics agree that we are as far from a Golden Age of cinema as we could possibly be. Critics are never pleased, we all should know this by now. If everyone was a stuck up critic, the entertainment medium as we know it would be dead. So there opinion is the last thing I will agree on. |
keragammingDec 13, 2015 4:53 PM
| Didn't Gigguk make a video about this? |
| Watching no anime this season except stuff airing from previous seasons. Hell of an amazing season. Next one is so good that I don't even feel like checking out the first episodes of any of them. Man, this golden age is like a perpetual golden shower. |
I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
| Kinda bugs me when people misuse this term. Golden age of any medium has nothing to do of what you or anybody think of the quality of a certain decade or an era (even if it was, the majority of current anime watchers aren't knowledgeable enough for their opinion to be meaningful in anyway, and not be just arbitrary and biased). It describes the period where the medium had an immense rise of popularity, fame, relevance and cultural impact. An iconic period. Golden age of anime is probably the period after Astro boy. Where the medium started having legs and have relevance in the culture of Japan. The same time manga had a big boom in popularity. So in the 1970s. Osamu Tezuka, Go Nagi, birth of mecha and then super robot, etc. This currently is technically the Modern age of anime. Mainstream and commercialized. |
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| Did you seriously just use OPM as an example? |
xLORD_OF_GANJAx said: It was foreshadowed from the start that OP wasn't serious.Did you seriously just use OPM as an example? |
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| Yes, yes it is. DBS is pretty shitty though. |
tsudecimo said: Thank you for your actually accurate and informative answer to OP's question, tsud. But you know factual truth is not what people care about on this site.Kinda bugs me when people misuse this term. Golden age of any medium has nothing to do of what you or anybody think of the quality of a certain decade or an era (even if it was, the majority of current anime watchers aren't knowledgeable enough for their opinion to be meaningful in anyway, and not be just arbitrary and biased). It describes the period where the medium had an immense rise of popularity, fame, relevance and cultural impact. An iconic period. Golden age of anime is probably the period after Astro boy. Where the medium started having legs and have relevance in the culture of Japan. The same time manga had a big boom in popularity. So in the 1970s. Osamu Tezuka, Go Nagi, birth of mecha and then super robot, etc. This currently is technically the Modern age of anime. Mainstream and commercialized. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| No. |
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| '88 baby. Aside from that, I'm personally a fan of the 1995-2000 era. But yeah, your using the term golden age wrong. It's a label in the same vein as renaissance. |
Status_EffectDec 14, 2015 4:41 AM
highestlearning said: -snip- While I agree with what you're saying, you're factually wrong about the definition of "Golden Age." |
| Nah, for me was 2007-2011 when I enjoyed anime the most. |
DateYutaka said: ichii_1 said: It's a major part of it thou. A golden age that sells like shit isn't golden, it's shit. for TV anime ratings matter more over all since its TV ANIME not OVA But late night anime have bd/dvd releases and merchandising sales as their main source of income, isn't it? |
MrKai23 said: even returning ones like DBS. It's beautiful. akh come on, why's this shiet... |
 la critique de l'intention pure |
omfgplzstop said: PolarKoala said: I assume you mean visual novel adaptations, for Fate/Stay Night. Tsukihime is also a visual novel, so I assume he meant those yeah. Tsukihime never had an anime adaption unlike FSN. |
Midori-tan said: Not a chance. |
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| Well yes because the most anime is out at the moment. This is the time that has the most anime so far until the next episode comes out. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| whatever age it is when anime industry gain the biggest profit, it is golden age of anime. doesn't metter you like it or not. |
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