Owari no Seraph Episode 7 Discussion

zilch16 said:
Well, I do really enjoy the show, good music, good plot, good background ( to those who can't appreciate the background is the one who doesn't have any taste at all. Does they even know how hard and rare it is for an anime to have a hand to hand created background? That is mostly requires more time and skills rather than using digital and other animation software. I know that myself since I am also in the field of animation). And about the MC, he's really not annoying at all, well first you might but the character development of him is as clear as the sky and you people can't even see it?

I don't care about those who dropped and planning to drop it. Goodbye since you people can't appreciate such good anime. Those who are saying that this is cliche, if you want a non-cliche anime, juat go back to 70's or 80's and find your own. And to those who think Mitsuba is just annoying as hell, just see!

zilch16 said:


Well, I do really enjoy the show, good music, good plot, good background ( to those who can't appreciate the background is the one who doesn't have any taste at all. Does they even know how hard and rare it is for an anime to have a hand to hand created background? That is mostly requires more time and skills rather than using digital and other animation software. I know that myself since I am also in the field of animation). And about the MC, he's really not annoying at all, well first you might but the character development of him is as clear as the sky and you people can't even see it?

I don't care about those who dropped and planning to drop it. Goodbye since you people can't appreciate such good anime. Those who are saying that this is cliche, if you want a non-cliche anime, juat go back to 70's or 80's and find your own. And to those who think Mitsuba is just annoying as hell, just see!

Pat_To_Do-List said:

You do not have to overly defensive about this anime show. Even as far as mocking the people who criticize this anime show is unnecessary. Yes, some of the criticisms are not proven, but please respect them.
And if you really don't care about the users who criticize this anime, then don't mock them.

Yhneiil said:

Stop shoving your opinion down people's throats. wtf. You sound like some delusional religious fanatic in some cult.

zilch16 said:

Well, I never mock them.

zilch16 said:


Oh! So, I am not allowed to say my own opinion while you people can? Wow! I didn't know that!

Yhneiil said:


Yes yes sure sure.



Oh! So, I am not allowed to say my own opinion while you people can? Wow! I didn't know that!

zilch16 said:
Well, I never mock them. I am also just stating my own opinion as the others do. I t is really just bothers me how the same people here saying the same words for over 7 weeks already and how the same people also is the same person I see in the other forum with the same words as well.

Pat_To_Do-List said:

"to those who can't appreciate the background is the one who doesn't have any taste at all." " . . . you people can't even see it?" "Goodbye since you people can't appreciate such good anime." Those are prove enough that you do not respect them.
The others are stating their opinions for the anime, you stating your opinions for the people who criticize the anime. There's a difference.
Then ignore them. You are not doing anyone any favour by saying those things.
What I am trying to say is: criticize their arguments, not the persons who state the arguments.

Barion-Zara said:
Nice action this ep and I was actually on Yu's side for once. I mean, who wouldn't go and protect a loli even if it was a trap anyway?? Heartless :/

vanella96 said:


How punny! I like it!


And on another note:
Why is Guren's gear a different color from everyone else's? Everyone has green gear out of the humans, but his is purple (and red in this episode).

I feel like I should know this, but I've only read until chapter 20 in the manga... So maybe not.

Harii said:
Even with the action going on, I'm still bored out of my mind with this show. I don't really know what to comment anymore without sounding like a broken record. I just want something interesting to happen. I can tolerate a slow start, but we're halfway through and there's still nothing about this that makes it stand out in any way. It's just these boring tropes you've seen in other shounen series played over and over again

KageNoAbisu said:
Universal...? O.o

Nice episode overall. I feel like I'm being annoying since I just can't let this go, but I really hope we'll see improved animation in the next few episodes. Anyway, I think they did a good job portraying Mitsuba.

Anime's about to get to the part of the part of the series where things start heating up :D

Also, does anyone know the name of the ost that was playing just before the episode ended?

EtherSword said:
And just like that I'm almost inclined to drop this anime. What an annoying girl, she literally was about to let little kid die but of course after they saved her, the tsundere becomes all nice to the kid like she was the one to saved her while slapping the MC.

There was just so many other stupid things too that happen that can't bother to list. The amount of inconsistencies is just too high for my standards.

IronLobster said:

[spoiler]Her tsundere character sort of dies out or it's not going to be focused on later. In fact, she'll begin to join in on Shinoa's antics.

mitsukuni07 said:
I must say, the three of 'em looked pretty cool in their new uniforms. What was that cursed mark thingy that appeared on Yu?

BlurredVision18 said:
A quote from last weeks thread.
"Mitsuba the loli will also make her debut next week.... (note to people already whining about her: she's not an annoying tsundere loli like you think she is)."

Soumia said:
Good episode but I feel like the scenario is a little bit slow for an anime of 12 episodes.

HandsomeMan said:
You have got to be joking... this was the only anime I was looking forward to this season, but this episode was so cliche... please don't tell me they're going the typical "mediocre anime" route. I liked the mc more when he was a ballsy kid, but now after the timeskip he becomes a ttypical annoying teen who says "Eh!?" every 5 seconds and gets embarrassed around Shinoa... Come on you're completely ruining his image with this one sided weak romance attempt. What a disappointment.

TheGrandSage23 said:
When will Shinoa actually do something besides be annoying and stand there gawking? The generic tsundere at least got some depth and action

Oh and the life of one girl isn't worth getting killed over.. Call it pragmatism

TheGrandSage23 said:
When will Shinoa actually do something besides be annoying and stand there gawking? The generic tsundere at least got some depth and action

Oh and the life of one girl isn't worth getting killed over.. Call it pragmatism

zilch16 said:
[/spoiler]

at least, put on a spoiler tag please~

IronLobster said:

I fail to see the importance since it's not spoiling the main plot. Mitsuba is a good girl, she just needs some getting used to.

ILoveSaltPopcorn said:
Finally beat Stark700 here and then you show up Tsubasalover :'(. Universal Pictures at the beginning, wow I never knew that they had any involvement in anime. Anyway, great episode as usual, the fighting this episode was pretty good, can't wait to see the Shinoa's team vs the vampires. Guren must be really strong to disarm Shinoa and Mitsuba in one slash, even if they weren't trying to fight each other very hard, it's still something special. Also, i wont how long it will take before we see a reunion between Yu and Mika :)

xcess090 said:
It was really slow for me but the action was nice. The new girl is as annoying as Shinoa :/

So far Kimizuki is the only character I like in the series and I really like his weapon. I do wonder though why Guren's sword is red while everyone gets green? Hopefully it'll get explained in either cour.



Finally something to look forward to!

L-Ryoshi said:
I facepalmed so hard after I just realized that I'd put this episode under my personal "watched" list, when I hadn't even checked it out....

Overall we're still going at a slower pace than I had initially expected. Whilst I welcomed what they did in the first 6 episodes, for this one, I felt that they probably would have done better to have shortened Mitsuba and Shinoa's fight to just two clashes before Guren stepped in, at least to started off the Omodesando station assault, since it would have allowed them to leave us with a cliffhanger for once....... but alas, Wit never seems to learn how to keep their viewers entertained.

Even as a fan of this series, I found this section of the story a bit hard to stomach, mostly due to personal views and beliefs. Whilst I understand how some people may not like Shounen tropes, it blows my mind when I see people who do not adhere to common sense, go for the other extreme.

-----------Rant-----------

When the kid came flying out of the wall being chased by the Horseman, Mitsuba as only one of two in the team with actual battle experience knew instinctively that the entire situation was a trap. Shinoa actually backed HER up. Yuu decided against the better judgment of his superior officers to ditch his team and run headfirst into a direct ambush. Now whilst some of you may be bitching about Mitsuba for allowing a loli to die, just think about the situation first.
- She KNEW the loli was bait
- She knew from past experience that working alone would have lead to the death of herself or even worse her teammates
- She knew it was a trap, which it essentially was.
- She didn't know the strength of the opponents, which luckily turned out to be just three B-class Vampires with B-class weapons.

Personally I see no problems with her logic regarding her decision to stay put. In fact, as someone who holds chains of command, teamwork and minimalizing collateral damage in high regard, I would applaud her for her initial decision. She was taking the best option to maximize the chances of her teams survival whilst minimizing any possible losses. That's what good squad leaders do.

In fact, even she saw the folly of Guren in making a team out of three noobs and two warriors with limited battle experience. That's exactly what she was so unhappy with Guren about.

All things considered, she's pretty much the sensible one of the entire squad. I seriously don't understand why all the hate for her....


Yu on the other hand, disobeyed a direct order from his commanding officer, and rushed headlong into an ambush with no plan other than to stop the loli from being killed. Whilst this may be your typical Shounen trope, the actions irked me to no end.

Sure I knew that he'd turn out alright because heck he was the MC, and for sure his "friends" would definitely follow him into battle and back him up.

Sure the ambushing party were surprised that Yu and the others had Demonic Weapons instead of regular soldiers with regular weapons....

But his actions were the epitome of Stupidity and had he not been protected by plot armor, he would have definitely been the first to die in such a situation. As much as I like Yu as a character in the manga, his particular mindset for this fight, as well as his lack of remorse at what he had done, pissed me off so much.

What if the Vampires hadn't been B-Class ones, but A-Class or Nobles? What if there had been more than 3 vampires on the ambush? Heck, what if they had managed to split up the team and picked them off one-by-one? I could pretty much think of a half dozen scenarios that could have gone wrong if the plot-armor Gods hadn't saved Yuu from his own stupidity.
Sure you all love your Shounen-esque rebellious MCs with an attitude, but regardless of his lack of remorse at his actions, what he did nearly got himself and his entire team killed. I don't see why there's even an opinion that Mitsuba was wrong for disciplining him.
And don't give me shit about how "it all worked out in the end". If he were to play hero like he did every time, he's bound to mess up sooner rather than later and get one or all of his friends killed.
Rushing in without an actual plan, throwing caution into the wind isn't called Heroism, it's called reckless stupidity.

I love this show to bits for the events that are to come and the development that Yu will be getting in the next few episodes, but Come On! That was the most cliché beginning to a Shounen hero's career if there ever was one!


-----------End Rant-----------


That said, as a fan of the series, I know that Yu and his team will be going through a baptism of fire from next episode onwards. I also know that despite my rant, that Yu's character actually develops at quite a fast pace (consider that his change has already started after Mitsuba slapped him this episode), and the development for the rest of his squad will be forthcoming as well.

Personally, I think they did a great job in the opening scene, since it wasn't suppose to be a guilt trip Nightmare in Yuu's mind, but an attempt by Ashuramaru to take control of Yuu. I like that it set the premises that Ashuramaru wasn't fully cooperating with Yuu yet (something that'll only be addressed during the second Cour... but I digress).

There wasn't much action for Shihou or Yoichi, but you can definitely tell that they won't hesitate to back Yuu up when the time comes.

For those who complain about "sending teens off on a mission with no backup", despite my rant, this entire first mission was all a test of sorts set out by Guren. He knew beforehand of the difficulty of the mission, as well as the level of their opponents before he sent them off. He didn't just randomly pick a mission for this noob squad to deal with without knowing whether they could handle it or not. Guren is a shrewd man who doesn't lightly dispose of his "assets".

For those saying how everything is so cliché and follows all Shounen tropes, well enjoy next episode since ::Spoiler:: .
How's THAT for cliché?

Next episode is going to be great. The first time the Squad actually operates as a proper team.. Mitsuba's attitude change after the mission..
And of course... "Jeep-Tag"!