| So there seems to be a consensus that Grisais no Rakuen is great but Grisaia no Kajitsu is not as good. Is it okay to watch Rakuen without watching Kajitsu? fyi, i haven't read any light novels or visual novels etc. Mod Edit: Modified title for clarity and/or easier searching. |
LunaAug 28, 2015 3:05 AM
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kevdawg said: So there seems to be a consensus that Grisais no Rakuen is great but Grisaia no Kajitsu is not as good. Is it okay to watch Rakuen without watching Kajitsu? fyi, i haven't read any light novels or visual novels etc. Kajitsu is good enough, I'd say. Maybe because I've never read the VNs. |
| I love this series the main character is awesome and the art is amazing too. Also don't forget to watch grisaia no Meikyuu. |
| Heres how it is…i read the VN and the VN like most source material is far more superior than the anime. Its a 50 hour long VN condensed into a 1 cour series. So of course i was disappointed when events were skipped and things felt rushed. After I got over the fact i realized it wasn't that bad. In retrospect it got the main routes correct for "most" of the characters arc. So yes it was horrible at first for a VN reader but a person who never read the VN would love it regardless. Plus you can't skip it at all cause the themes and elements that happened in the first season carries over to the rest of the series. U'll enjoy the entire series as a non VN reader…and even if u did read the VN you would accept its adaption if you realize how the flaws aren't really as bad as you initially thought |
| you need to watch all unless you have played and completed the vn |
moodie said: Heres how it is…i read the VN and the VN like most source material is far more superior than the anime. Its a 50 hour long VN condensed into a 1 cour series. So of course i was disappointed when events were skipped and things felt rushed. After I got over the fact i realized it wasn't that bad. In retrospect it got the main routes correct for "most" of the characters arc. So yes it was horrible at first for a VN reader but a person who never read the VN would love it regardless. Plus you can't skip it at all cause the themes and elements that happened in the first season carries over to the rest of the series. U'll enjoy the entire series as a non VN reader…and even if u did read the VN you would accept its adaption if you realize how the flaws aren't really as bad as you initially thought Thank you I've seen some many vn readers not appreciate how well the producers of this anime did to pick out the most important parts of the vn and put it into an anime that is really enjoyable. |
| Thanks guys! These were really insightful responses c: I was just a bit unsure whether or not to try it out since it didn't have many positive reviews. Never knew it was because the VN readers were slamming it for not following the VN! |
| I only watched the first season and loved it. I guess I should watch the second season soon. |
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kevdawg said: Thanks guys! These were really insightful responses c: I was just a bit unsure whether or not to try it out since it didn't have many positive reviews. Never knew it was because the VN readers were slamming it for not following the VN! Ehh . . not technically true. Here's the thing: The romance(s) in GnK happens in the VN over many hours and even then it feels like the girls in question change their disposition towards the Gary Stu protag at a breakneck pace. It's almost immersion breaking how one girl goes from hating the guy to being in love with him over such a small space of time. Because the anime squashed down the source material so heavily, those pieces of character development now happen HILARIOUSLY fast. An awkwardly fast transition over several weeks turns into a sudden revelation and complete change in demeanour over a matter of minutes. As far as I'm concerned it honestly crosses the line into 'so-bad-it's-good' territory. On top of that, the plot is turned into a complete clusterfuck as it literally tries to go through every single route of the VN by squishing each into an episode or 3 then retconning the plot into the next one. Again, it's so ridiculous that it ends up being funny. So if you're interested in it, I'd say GnK is still worth watching. It might not be a quality show, but when it's not outright being a good show it's usually still a fun watch for all the wrong reasons. Keep an eye out for the terrible lorry driver ;) I like to imagine that it's the same dude that was driving each bus and lorry . . you'll see what I mean. |
| Now you're wondering if there's white text in any of my other posts. Over there, I'm everywhere. I know that. |
| You can't just skip 12 episode of an anime and expect to understand and enjoy it! NO! |
kevdawg said: So there seems to be a consensus that Grisais no Rakuen is great but Grisaia no Kajitsu is not as good. Is it okay to watch Rakuen without watching Kajitsu? fyi, i haven't read any light novels or visual novels etc. Watch it this way: Episode 1-3 and 10-13 of Kajitsu Then Meikyuu Then Rakuen The butchering that took place in Kajitsu is wholly contained within episodes 4-9. Episode 3 even flows neatly into 10, you won't notice anything missing. (Until Rakuen, when the 4 butchered heroines talk about Yuuji helping them, in which case just use your imagination - it'll be better than what actually happened) |
Red_TuesdayAug 28, 2015 12:28 AM
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Red_Tuesday said: kevdawg said: So there seems to be a consensus that Grisais no Rakuen is great but Grisaia no Kajitsu is not as good. Is it okay to watch Rakuen without watching Kajitsu? fyi, i haven't read any light novels or visual novels etc. Watch it this way: Episode 1-3 and 10-13 of Kajitsu Then Meikyuu Then Rakuen The butchering that took place in Kajitsu is wholly contained within episodes 4-9. Episode 3 even flows neatly into 10, you won't notice anything missing. That's no fun. You have to bear witness to the hilarity that is the butchering of GnK! zombie_pegasus said: Meikyuu focuses heavily on Yuuji and doesn't really advance the plot forward, but it's arguably the highlight of the series. Rakuen is basically an inversion of Kajitsu (in terms of how the characters are involved with the plot) with a new setting and higher stakes. Instead of Yuuji saving each respective girl, they're all teaming up to save him.I only watched the first season and loved it. I guess I should watch the second season soon. |
| Now you're wondering if there's white text in any of my other posts. Over there, I'm everywhere. I know that. |
| It's hard to recommend Kajitsu to anyone that isn't willing to read the VN just because of how butchered it was. It's probably the most rushed adaptation I've ever seen. When you squeeze 15 hours' worth of content into 2 anime episodes, or 10 hours' worth into 1 episode... it just... doesn't work. I mean of course if you only watch the anime then you won't have a reference point, but the holes are still so glaringly obvious that even if you don't know what those holes are supposed to contain, you can still feel that there are in fact holes absolutely everywhere. The pacing is unbelievably busted and the plot is barely even coherent due to how much necessary information that is left out That being said I guess it's still watchable, just don't get your expectations very high. Meikyuu and Rakuen (which are waaayyy shorter games) have much much better adaptations however and are totally worth watching, but seeing as you cannot watch them without going through Kajitsu first... well I'd consider them as some sort of reward for getting through the awkward anime of the first game. So in that sense it's worth watching yes |
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HaXXspetten said: If you don't play/read the VN then it's easier to accept it. There are some anime where the source is important to understand the anime, say with video game adaptions. VNs are usually long, so people always complain. "50 hours of gameplay compressed into 5 hours of anime? That's not enough! Of course it feels rushed!" I have heard that line a lot. The Akira anime is 1/12 the length of the standard compression rate, yet somehow it is still praised. It would be extremely expensive to make a 50 hour anime adaption of every worthy visual novel. Just be glad that they even bothered.It's hard to recommend Kajitsu to anyone that isn't willing to read the VN just because of how butchered it was. It's probably the most rushed adaptation I've ever seen. When you squeeze 15 hours' worth of content into 2 anime episodes, or 10 hours' worth into 1 episode... it just... doesn't work. I mean of course if you only watch the anime then you won't have a reference point, but the holes are still so glaringly obvious that even if you don't know what those holes are supposed to contain, you can still feel that there are in fact holes absolutely everywhere. The pacing is unbelievably busted and the plot is barely even coherent due to how much necessary information that is left out That being said I guess it's still watchable, just don't get your expectations very high. Meikyuu and Rakuen (which are waaayyy shorter games) have much much better adaptations however and are totally worth watching, but seeing as you cannot watch them without going through Kajitsu first... well I'd consider them as some sort of reward for getting through the awkward anime of the first game. So in that sense it's worth watching yes |
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zombie_pegasus said: Just be glad that they even bothered. How about no? I'd much prefer no adaptation than a butchered one. |
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zombie_pegasus said: Thing is the normal "compression" would be something more like 1:3 in terms of ratio. If one hour of VN time gets 1 episode, that generally results in a well-paced anime (like Clannad, S;G, Higurashi etc). Of course you can stretch that out a bit more to maybe more like 1:5 or so, but Grisaia is... almost 1:20. Like seriously I think I clocked my full playtime of Kajitsu to 82 hours, which is like 1:16.4 or something. That's just waayy crossing the line (obviously just my personal playtime but I reckon I had the same reading speed with the other examples as well so it's still a valid comparison)HaXXspetten said: If you don't play/read the VN then it's easier to accept it. There are some anime where the source is important to understand the anime, say with video game adaptions. VNs are usually long, so people always complain. "50 hours of gameplay compressed into 5 hours of anime? That's not enough! Of course it feels rushed!" I have heard that line a lot. The Akira anime is 1/12 the length of the standard compression rate, yet somehow it is still praised. It would be extremely expensive to make a 50 hour anime adaption of every worthy visual novel. Just be glad that they even bothered.It's hard to recommend Kajitsu to anyone that isn't willing to read the VN just because of how butchered it was. It's probably the most rushed adaptation I've ever seen. When you squeeze 15 hours' worth of content into 2 anime episodes, or 10 hours' worth into 1 episode... it just... doesn't work. I mean of course if you only watch the anime then you won't have a reference point, but the holes are still so glaringly obvious that even if you don't know what those holes are supposed to contain, you can still feel that there are in fact holes absolutely everywhere. The pacing is unbelievably busted and the plot is barely even coherent due to how much necessary information that is left out That being said I guess it's still watchable, just don't get your expectations very high. Meikyuu and Rakuen (which are waaayyy shorter games) have much much better adaptations however and are totally worth watching, but seeing as you cannot watch them without going through Kajitsu first... well I'd consider them as some sort of reward for getting through the awkward anime of the first game. So in that sense it's worth watching yes |
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