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Aug 25, 2015 5:25 AM
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traed said:
We already had this thread before.

Some of it is entirely made up and has no legitimacy but some terms are actually used by professionals.



Do you remember who made the thread? And yes on various anime sites I've seen people but the only real sexuality is stright, gay, lesbian, and bisexual
Aug 25, 2015 6:00 AM
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SecondCitySaint said:
So i recently found about about sexualities such as demisexuality, lithsexuality, intrasexuality, sapiosexuality etc. and genders such as genderfluid, genderqueer, aliengender, agender etc.

Is this like a bunch of made up shit started by tumblr users who feel like special little snowflakes or what ? Cause it sounds like it to me.

EDIT : Here's an entire list of those "sexualities" : http://imgur.com/a/KjVm9

What do you guys think ?



What do you call a person who has an agenda? AN AGENDER!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! That was funny!



...ok, ok, it was not funny, I get it!
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Aug 25, 2015 6:28 AM

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Jesus wept.

The new genders are part of the 'it's all subjective movement!'. People think that thinking X proves it's true, and any attempt to prove them wrong is forcing your opinion. O science, such a tyrant!

Too bad no one provided evidence for something other than male, female and intersex.

It's not as if science has disproven anything either. Bringing it up is somewhat fraudulent since it actually takes no stance (although, I do think researches are leaning towards the idea that brains indeed differ from males to females...).

It's also not as if there's been other, more ancient cultures throughout the world that have considered the idea of a third gender. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Spirit_identity_theory

Aaaand, that list is obviously made by someone who doesn't believe in it. All you have to do is look at it for more than five seconds to see that.


I'm talking about biological sexuality, not gender identity.

The impresson I got is that gender identity is something society came up with so everyone will know their place. The result is a lot of misogyny, misandrt, rape and violence.

No one has proven to me gender identities are biological, something in our nature. Gender identities look to me like a social construct, which means we can get rid of them. I think we should. I don't see how barriers between men and women help anyone.

What ancient cultures has no bearings on what is true. Ancient cultures were full of crazy beliefs.
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^In Germany there isn't even a difference between "gender" and "sex". We call both "Geschlecht", but it usually refers to "sex".
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Yeah, I once ventured into some related articles on Wiki, and, holy shit... I just don't. You kind of break on the second paragraph, and start to think that the people who though of the majority of this stuff should've better do something productive instead.

I dunno, maybe I am mistaken and some people need these identities, but with some of these "genders" it's hard to understand how anyone could even come up with this much less identify as one. I mean, this stuff is even statistically improbabale to happen enough times to think that it's your thing.
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TheBrainintheJar said:

The impresson I got is that gender identity is something society came up with so everyone will know their place. The result is a lot of misogyny, misandrt, rape and violence.


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Spooks_McBones said:

Bloody brilliant!
Aug 25, 2015 9:23 AM

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Most of this stuff means the same anyway
Aug 25, 2015 9:26 AM

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Rarusu_ said:
We live in a strongly individualistic culture, and for many people it is very important to be special and different, and we are encouraged to be individuals. To "find yourself" and "create yourself", etc, exist mostly in this part of the world. This applies to more things than gender and sexuality too of course.


That's a bit hypocritical...ok, that's too hypocritical.
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Accompany said:
traed said:
We already had this thread before.

Some of it is entirely made up and has no legitimacy but some terms are actually used by professionals.

Do you remember who made the thread? And yes on various anime sites I've seen people but the only real sexuality is stright, gay, lesbian, and bisexual
No but it was made maybe a month or few ago and the thread was titled similar.

Actually there is an alternative system to that which is meant to avoid some confusion when transexuals and intersexed people are thrown into the equation.

"Androphilia and gynephilia are terms used in behavioral science to describe sexual orientation, as an alternative to a gender binary homosexual and heterosexual conceptualization. Androphilia describes sexual attraction to men or masculinity; gynephilia describes the sexual attraction to women or femininity"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androphilia_and_gynephilia
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(@ sexualities) they are really just new words made up to explain, in a very detailed way, how certain people experience attraction, like demisexuality... which is fine. and kinda the point of labels/words??
some of them are just silly tho like 'sapiosexuality' which is basically just a term used by heteros who wants to feel speciel. or 'i am sasuke-sexual and therefore part of lgbt+' nah son.
others are the real deal and not new at all such a pansxuality. the term/word might be new but its principle is not.
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mahodango said:
(@ sexualities) they are really just new words made up to explain, in a very detailed way, how certain people experience attraction, like demisexuality... which is fine. and kinda the point of labels/words??
some of them are just silly tho like 'sapiosexuality' which is basically just a term used by heteros who wants to feel speciel. or 'i am sasuke-sexual and therefore part of lgbt+' nah son.
others are the real deal and not new at all such a pansxuality. the term/word might be new but its principle is not.


....wasn't demisexuality made up on a girls crazy role-playing page?
also, i think the point of sexualities is to say who you're sexually attracted to. demisexuality doesnt say.
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As for me, I'm a demishamahumashooplahooplamooplakooplagendered individual.
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TheBrainintheJar said:

The impresson I got is that gender identity is something society came up with so everyone will know their place. The result is a lot of misogyny, misandrt, rape and violence.
It was a sexologist then Feminists spread the whole gender thing so you got it backwards.

"Sexologist John Money introduced the terminological distinction between biological sex and gender as a role in 1955. Before his work, it was uncommon to use the word gender to refer to anything but grammatical categories.However, Money's meaning of the word did not become widespread until the 1970s, when feminist theory embraced the concept of a distinction between biological sex and the social construct of gender. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

"the term gender identity was originally a medical term used to explain sex reassignment surgery to the public,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity

lngenue said:

....wasn't demisexuality made up on a girls crazy role-playing page?
also, i think the point of sexualities is to say who you're sexually attracted to. demisexuality doesnt say.
I heard it was a 14 year old girl who made it up.
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Apparently the term demisexual was made up by a 15 year old on a fetish forum.
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geniobastardo said:
Rarusu_ said:
We live in a strongly individualistic culture, and for many people it is very important to be special and different, and we are encouraged to be individuals. To "find yourself" and "create yourself", etc, exist mostly in this part of the world. This applies to more things than gender and sexuality too of course.


That's a bit hypocritical...ok, that's too hypocritical.


What is hypocritical with that?


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Just stupid people doing stupid things.
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Rarusu_ said:
geniobastardo said:


That's a bit hypocritical...ok, that's too hypocritical.


What is hypocritical with that?


Oh my bad. Hypocritical is not the right word. It's a 'lie'. A painful one.
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By each let this be heard,
Some do it with a bitter look,
Some with a flattering word,
The coward does it with a kiss,
The brave man with a sword!''
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freedom


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geniobastardo said:
Rarusu_ said:


What is hypocritical with that?


Oh my bad. Hypocritical is not the right word. It's a 'lie'. A painful one.
No I think contradictory would be a better word. Since its people confining themselves in labels to categorize groups rather than individuals.
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Just stupid people doing stupid things.


And spreading it around in the name of freedom as well.
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geniobastardo said:


Oh my bad. Hypocritical is not the right word. It's a 'lie'. A painful one.
No I think contradictory would be a better word. Since its people confining themselves in labels to categorize groups rather than individuals.


Nah I think you see individualism in the wrong way. Its not about never be part of a group, but rather to choose your own. In collectivistic cultures, that is not an option since you as a person already belongs to a pack. Individualistic cultures do not view people as anti-social nor anti-conformist, but think that the power of ones life should lay in the hand of the individual.
It's actually a quite spread concept when studying values among different cultures and societies.


Yellow = Individualistic
Red = Collectivistic


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I just ignore then. Its just people trying to justify their abnormalities. To me its simple. You're either straight or you're not. That's it.
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I think you should stop worrying about it and live your life without your nose constantly in other people's ass cracks.

But that's just me..


>worrying

lol k
Yes you seem very concerned. I'm not really sure why.
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SecondCitySaint said:


>worrying

lol k
Yes you seem very concerned. I'm not really sure why.


Am i not allowed to share my views on these things ? What i don't get is why you feel the need to tell people what to do. Go mind your own business.
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Nah I think you see individualism in the wrong way. Its not about never be part of a group, but rather to choose your own. In collectivistic cultures, that is not an option since you as a person already belongs to a pack. Individualistic cultures do not view people as anti-social nor anti-conformist, but think that the power of ones life should lay in the hand of the individual.
It's actually a quite spread concept when studying values among different cultures and societies.
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Yellow = Individualistic
Red = Collectivistic
I already know that. Im talking about people specifically wanting to set themselves apart from most people sometimes do it in ways that dont really do that.
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You are an embarrassingly terrible troll.
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Everyone is a special little snowflake + butthurt ppl = shit tons of sexuality and genders
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You are an embarrassingly terrible troll.


Nice comeback m8. Now if you excuse me, i have things to do. Things that don't require me telling people what to do.
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One word pseudoscience.
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because everyone needs to feel special for doing nothing worthy of note

hahahah true just troll neets and have fun
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I think it's made up so people can feel special and come off as open minded or some new level of deep just because they are attracted to personality or someone's spirit or whatever the hell those terms mean.
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Working_Designs said:
It's just a bunch of people who want to get noticed, and nothing more.


Dumblr: Everyone needs to be SPECIAL and UNIQUE
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It's not as if science has disproven anything either. Bringing it up is somewhat fraudulent since it actually takes no stance (although, I do think researches are leaning towards the idea that brains indeed differ from males to females...).

It's also not as if there's been other, more ancient cultures throughout the world that have considered the idea of a third gender. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Spirit_identity_theory

Aaaand, that list is obviously made by someone who doesn't believe in it. All you have to do is look at it for more than five seconds to see that.


I'm talking about biological sexuality, not gender identity.

The impresson I got is that gender identity is something society came up with so everyone will know their place. The result is a lot of misogyny, misandrt, rape and violence.

No one has proven to me gender identities are biological, something in our nature. Gender identities look to me like a social construct, which means we can get rid of them. I think we should. I don't see how barriers between men and women help anyone.

What ancient cultures has no bearings on what is true. Ancient cultures were full of crazy beliefs.

Essentially, I don't believe biological sex = gender so I'm calling you wrong here. You brought up science, but science neither disproves gender nor proves it so you have no basis to stand upon when you bring up science.

But if you really wish for scientific data to somewhat support my claims, well it may not be totally conclusive because research is still heavily ongoing and there are lots of factors to take into account, but still, here you go:

Details several differences found between genders, including a possible one in "a structure called the third interstitial nucleus of the anterior hypothalamus" that differs in size from gender (and transsexuals tend to have the size of the opposite gender but it does also specify findings were limited in that particular research): http://www.theguardian.com/science/neurophilosophy/2013/oct/06/male-brain-versus-female-brain

Notes rates of transitioning within twins (have both twins transitioned, essentially) and notes three cases where twins have been separated young, had no contact between each other for a long time and yet still both transitioned: http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2010to2014/2013-transsexuality.html

The oft-cited case of David Reimer: http://articles.latimes.com/2004/may/13/local/me-reimer13/2 To be noted that John Money was a crook and treated David fairly terribly from what I hear, so that definitely influenced the study.

I mostly brought up the two-spirited thing because you called the new genders part of a new movement. That's nice to say, but third genders and/or transsexuality aren't limited to today.

I don't see why it's not possible to treat each other equally even if we have differences. We're all human after all.
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Probably because some people feel that the traditional labels don't fit them 100% so they created new terms that describes them the best.
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One word pseudoscience.


A small (but vocal) part of society would call it social science.

But i actually agree with you. Its all BS.
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niggasniper said:
One word pseudoscience.


A small (but vocal) part of society would call it social science.

But i actually agree with you. Its all BS.


it's bullshit in the point where there are people identifying themselves as animals and the so called "otherkin"
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Fujiwara-TOFU said:


A small (but vocal) part of society would call it social science.

But i actually agree with you. Its all BS.


it's bullshit in the point where there are people identifying themselves as animals and the so called "otherkin"


Its bullshit when the "science" is taking a survey of 12 people at a furries convention
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Lain_ said:
Fujiwara-TOFU said:


A small (but vocal) part of society would call it social science.

But i actually agree with you. Its all BS.


it's bullshit in the point where there are people identifying themselves as animals and the so called "otherkin"

Can I identify myself as Dovahkin?
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tumblr sjw's. end of story.
Sexuality and gender are social constructs.
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attention whores trying to be speshul snowflakes
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Tumbrinas.
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I just ignore then. Its just people trying to justify their abnormalities. To me its simple. You're either straight or you're not. That's it.
and attractions to both. bisexual.
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Who cares man

I don't even care enough to identify myself even

It's too much energy to even think about

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Democracy said:
I just ignore then. Its just people trying to justify their abnormalities. To me its simple. You're either straight or you're not. That's it.
and attractions to both. bisexual.


Bisexuality is a myth. Confusion at most.
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Fujiwara-TOFU said:
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and attractions to both. bisexual.


Bisexuality is a myth. Confusion at most.
nope, I'm not confused. and life isnt black and white, it shouldn't be difficult to understand that some people just happen to like guys and girls, so somewhat in the middle of the spectrum. not all gay or all straight.
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It's gotten out of hand. Earthgender? Really?

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Stop oppressing me!

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No I think contradictory would be a better word. Since its people confining themselves in labels to categorize groups rather than individuals.


Nah I think you see individualism in the wrong way. Its not about never be part of a group, but rather to choose your own. In collectivistic cultures, that is not an option since you as a person already belongs to a pack. Individualistic cultures do not view people as anti-social nor anti-conformist, but think that the power of ones life should lay in the hand of the individual.
It's actually a quite spread concept when studying values among different cultures and societies.


It's irrelevant to this topic but I want to discuss this anyway.

All these societies concerned with 'individualism' make me laugh. First off, individualism is not a solution. It's a problem, in and of itself. Secondly, observe how happy all the individualistic people are? HAHA! none!. Ok wait, a few are. But take away the material commodities and see how depressing lives they live. Thirdly, anti-conformity is not a good thing. Not always. The problem with these 'individualistic' societies is that, they'll label any abnormality with anything to make that abnormality a norm. That's like the Government's way of bereaving itself of the responsibility of governing the people.

This is my problem with Libertarians. I see it as more of an 'exodus' at a governmental level as if governing the people was some kind of oppression. Liberty is anarchy with discipline. But anarchy nonetheless. Trust me, if the balance of power hadn't shifted to just one side in the last century, and people still upheld 'morals' and their values as they used to in the past, Europe would have fallen down long ago.
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By each let this be heard,
Some do it with a bitter look,
Some with a flattering word,
The coward does it with a kiss,
The brave man with a sword!''
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