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Jul 19, 2015 5:49 PM

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robis798 said:
I can't believe people are complaining about things that make this series what it is. Has anime become such a chore to do that either give me condensed, summed up version of everything or gtfo? Slow pacing, small details, extended shots in dialogues - those are the things that make this show so amazing, how can anyone ask for series not to have character interactions? Well of course it depends on what are you looking for here and in anime in general.

Anyways, perfect episode again. Fremy was the highlight of the episode, she seems as well to have some intriguing background and backstory, not to mention her amazing character design those eyelashes, oh jesus. I feel like I'm repeating things that other people already said but the fact that Adlet doubted Fremy and didn't just bravely turn his back to her really added a lot to his character.

This episode seems to have even more eyecandy visuals, it will be a bit of a shame to soon leave such lush forests.


Holy crap we're actually agreeing on something, I think this is a first
Jul 19, 2015 7:05 PM

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Things keep getting better and better. Without a doubt one of my favorites this season.

Adlet falls in love at first sight? Sorry man, I think I beat you there.
Jul 19, 2015 7:14 PM
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This show has me confused. I love the visuals as well as the setting, and I definitely like that this isn't a generic reverse harem type of show (I should say that if there ever was a reverse harem on the level of To-Love-Ru I would probably watch it with glee), but something about this show grates on my nerves.

Maybe it is the princess motif. The prostitute princess with the heart of gold who is "naive of native customs" annoys me. Akatsuki no Yona has a far better type of this character. And then giving this character bunny girl ears almost demands that I bitch slap the writer (Gate's treatment of the Bunny Girl motif is far superior).

I haven't written this show off yet, I like the visuals and setting after all, but I hope that the next episode or two will redeem the series.
Jul 19, 2015 8:31 PM

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first somewhat interesting episode, finding out how the Psychotic looking dude in the OP isn't the traitor is whats keeping me watching this.

+1 for all that blood i mean i know it was just fiends but damn
Jul 19, 2015 10:01 PM

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Paulo27 said:
You know what would up this show even more? If the synopsis didn't mention there were 7 heroes, by now we'd have no fucking idea why any of this was happening.
Another excellent episode though.

^ This. Though I will say, on the other hand, that it makes it interesting for us for another reason. WE know something the characters have yet to find out. So while we may not be questioning WHY the braves would end up trying to kill each other (because there's 6 real and 1 imposter), it's a game for us to speculate on who's real and who's fake.
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I can't, for the life of me, believe that some people are complaining about the fact that an adaptation moving at a slower place in order to give attention to detail in order to offer some good world-building, allow characters to interact with each other to properly establish relations and slowly build up tension, while also advancing the plot - slow & steady.

It's doing the very same thing so many other adaptations fail to - whether it's for justified reasons or that they don't even try.

It'd only be a problem if the anime didn't know how to make use of the time, where everything the characters do tell's us nothing more about them then what we already knew and nothing else happens in the episode. Nothing of the sort happened here. Instead, we got all this:

CookingPriest said:

1) we got more characterization to the main character showcasing his less trusting and more manipulative sides.
2) we got a lot of Fremy characterization, some info about her power too.
3) we got world building and stakes set-up by continuing to show fiends damage.
4) We got characterization of tension between Goldof and Nashetania
5) we got showcase of Goldoff's strength.
6) we got some very obvious future plotpoint set-ups with the temple, etc.


If it's boring then that would be the sign that Rokka no Yusha is simply not your cup of tea.
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Jul 20, 2015 3:58 AM

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katsu044 said:
first somewhat interesting episode, finding out how the Psychotic looking dude in the OP isn't the traitor is whats keeping me watching this.

Which one?
Goldoff or that cat assassin guy?
(they're both reasonably suspicious, by the way)
Jul 20, 2015 4:09 AM

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flannan said:
katsu044 said:
first somewhat interesting episode, finding out how the Psychotic looking dude in the OP isn't the traitor is whats keeping me watching this.

Which one?
Goldoff or that cat assassin guy?
(they're both reasonably suspicious, by the way)

He was definitely talking about Hans, so the cat-Assassin guy as you called him :].
Hans is awesome.
Jul 20, 2015 4:10 AM
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seems they did change the names for the western releases
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/anime-spotlight/2015/summer/rokka-braves/.89088
(like they already did for some other series before, notable example one piece: luffy --> rufy )
will personally continue to use the original names, i'm liking more fremy over flamie

No, that's a mistake from the japanese official website for the anime of Rokka that was carried over to the english website and subs.

I've seen Japanese people mess up romaji names in their releases hard in the past, so while those names being written in the LN is a good argument those are proper names, it isn't 100% proof. I don't have much to do with animenewsnetwork so I don't know how reliable they are with official stuff, though. On the other hand people from the West obviously know their west words better, so its a good indication Crunchy did it actually right and Novel messed up. Sure, it's possible they just were ignorant while coming up with those translations and didn't check stuff properly. But it doesn't seem very likely considering they went with LN names as a default and then changed them in this episode.
So I'm still kinda unsure about what the proper spelling is. To be honest, Goldov looks more legit to me than Goldof if I were supposed to tell by guessing alone. Flamie, though for me "Fremy" looks better if it comes to taste, also looks more legit based on guessing alone. The fact that the show went with "Nachetanya" instead of "Nashetania" shouldn't be ignored either.
Jul 20, 2015 4:14 AM
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It's already episode 3 and we still do not know the identity of 3 remaining Saints, let alone start theorizing who is the imposter sent to kill them all. I hope things will kick off soon.

God willing the next episode will not spend 15 minutes talking (5 minutes of which feel boring and tedious) and 5 minutes of brief, uninteresting fights, because the fight scene in episode 3 sees a decline in quality compared to episode 1 and 2.
Jul 20, 2015 4:53 AM

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bibotot said:
It's already episode 3 and we still do not know the identity of 3 remaining Saints, let alone start theorizing who is the imposter sent to kill them all. I hope things will kick off soon.

God willing the next episode will not spend 15 minutes talking (5 minutes of which feel boring and tedious) and 5 minutes of brief, uninteresting fights, because the fight scene in episode 3 sees a decline in quality compared to episode 1 and 2.

You mean BARELY episode 3 right, lmao what are you even on about.
Jul 20, 2015 5:02 AM

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apokaliz500 said:

I've seen Japanese people mess up romaji names in their releases hard in the past, so while those names being written in the LN is a good argument those are proper names, it isn't 100% proof. I don't have much to do with animenewsnetwork so I don't know how reliable they are with official stuff, though. On the other hand people from the West obviously know their west words better, so its a good indication Crunchy did it actually right and Novel messed up. Sure, it's possible they just were ignorant while coming up with those translations and didn't check stuff properly. But it doesn't seem very likely considering they went with LN names as a default and then changed them in this episode.
So I'm still kinda unsure about what the proper spelling is. To be honest, Goldov looks more legit to me than Goldof if I were supposed to tell by guessing alone. Flamie, though for me "Fremy" looks better if it comes to taste, also looks more legit based on guessing alone. The fact that the show went with "Nachetanya" instead of "Nashetania" shouldn't be ignored either.

Doesn't make sense. How can the original material be wrong and the adaptation sub be correct about spelling? How can CR be more correct than the author himself about how the AUTHOR want to have them spelt? Come one now. ANN is mistaken. CR is mistaken. That's all. I mean I don't mind anyone using the spelling they want. Who cares. Just don't go saying that CR or ANN have any chance to be more correct than the author himself.
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Believe me, they can. I've seen in one anime one character whose name was based on one star's name. Not only was the spelling inconsistent when they were showing his name in romaji (in other words, one time it was spelled one way, the other time it was different), I think they never got it right as well with the spelling the star's name was spelled. And I was watching this in the ORIGINAL, not the dub, so... I understand its hard to believe (I wouldn't believe myself if I didn't see it), but that happens. Nevertheless, I think that no matter if this spelling is proper or not, using the spellings established by LN is better, if only for the fact that they have been official for LN readers all this time and changing it now only causes needless mess. That said, I'll probably stick to the LN names.
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apokaliz500 said:
Believe me, they can. I've seen in one anime one character whose name was based on one star's name. Not only was the spelling inconsistent when they were showing his name in romaji (in other words, one time it was spelled one way, the other time it was different), I think they never got it right as well with the spelling the star's name was spelled. And I was watching this in the ORIGINAL, not the dub, so... I understand its hard to believe (I wouldn't believe myself if I didn't see it), but that happens. Nevertheless, I think that no matter if this spelling is proper or not, using the spellings established by LN is better, if only for the fact that they have been official for LN readers all this time and changing it now only causes needless mess. That said, I'll probably stick to the LN names.

Umm an anime adaptation has very little to do with the original author anyway, if someone messed it up it was the staff not the authors. That's no different than crunchyroll and ANN messing things up. If the author releases official Romanji names, then those are the official ones. There is no arguing that.
Jul 20, 2015 5:21 AM

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apokaliz500 said:
Believe me, they can. I've seen in one anime one character whose name was based on one star's name. Not only was the spelling inconsistent when they were showing his name in romaji (in other words, one time it was spelled one way, the other time it was different), I think they never got it right as well with the spelling the star's name was spelled. And I was watching this in the ORIGINAL, not the dub, so... I understand its hard to believe (I wouldn't believe myself if I didn't see it), but that happens. Nevertheless, I think that no matter if this spelling is proper or not, using the spellings established by LN is better, if only for the fact that they have been official for LN readers all this time and changing it now only causes needless mess. That said, I'll probably stick to the LN names.

You realise that this is a fantasy setting right. Names aren't based on celebrity here.
Also, you're confusing two things here. Names spelling by translator of the original material (either amateur or pro) AND names spelling in the original version of it, IE, in japanese. In most works, names are NOT spelled in roman letters so the translator is the one who decide it. So he/she can indeed make a mistake that get corrected by another translator who correctly guessed what the author wanted. But it's not the case in Rokka. the names can be found in roman letters. That's the whole difference.

So, no, I don't believe you. You're confusing Translator's spelling mistake with the author's spelling here.
Jul 20, 2015 5:22 AM
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Not really, this specific anime was anime original, not based on any previous work. So here you have a clear example of authors messing up. Thus, it happens.
Jul 20, 2015 5:23 AM

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apokaliz500 said:
Not really, this specific anime was anime original, not based on any previous work. So here you have a clear example of authors messing up. Thus, it happens.

You're making less and less sense. If the anime was original, in japanese the name wasn't written, and therefore wasn't spelt, it was just said orally.
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apokaliz500 said:
Not really, this specific anime was anime original, not based on any previous work. So here you have a clear example of authors messing up. Thus, it happens.
How does anime original anime have romanji names? Subtitles? Those would be once again the translators.
Jul 20, 2015 6:25 AM
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Current assumptions. No proof, just pure gut feeling based on what I know so far + previous experiences.

1. Loli is the fake. (Don't know the name yet).
2. Adlet is the fake.
3. Nashetania is the fake.
4. Goddess decides to put in a 7th 'cus the demon lord is going to rek them this time and someone uses this chance to accuse that for a fake.

None of these are true. Just pure imagination and assumption.
Jul 20, 2015 6:34 AM
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KamiCity said:
apokaliz500 said:
Not really, this specific anime was anime original, not based on any previous work. So here you have a clear example of authors messing up. Thus, it happens.
How does anime original anime have romanji names? Subtitles? Those would be once again the translators.

No, not subtitles. The name was displayed on screen while other characters were checking info about the character in the computer. It was displayed in romaji. The info in the computer was written in english. And I was watching it RAW, so there isn't any possibility the subber translated the screen.
Jul 20, 2015 6:38 AM

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Nirvaxstiel said:
Current assumptions. No proof, just pure gut feeling based on what I know so far + previous experiences.

1. Loli is the fake. (Don't know the name yet).
2. Adlet is the fake.
3. Nashetania is the fake.
4. Goddess decides to put in a 7th 'cus the demon lord is going to rek them this time and someone uses this chance to accuse that for a fake.

None of these are true. Just pure imagination and assumption.

Why would you put in 1) one of the two characters we have yet to even hear about? ^^" Just because she's a loli? That's discrimination xD.
Jul 20, 2015 6:41 AM
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Nirvaxstiel said:
Current assumptions. No proof, just pure gut feeling based on what I know so far + previous experiences.

1. Loli is the fake. (Don't know the name yet).
2. Adlet is the fake.
3. Nashetania is the fake.
4. Goddess decides to put in a 7th 'cus the demon lord is going to rek them this time and someone uses this chance to accuse that for a fake.

None of these are true. Just pure imagination and assumption.

Why would you put in 1) one of the two characters we have yet to even hear about? ^^" Just because she's a loli? That's discrimination xD.


Idk. Thanks to many lolis being craycray nowadays, that's what I got :o
Jul 20, 2015 6:47 AM

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great episode

but there better be an explanation for why fremy is aiming with her covered eye
Jul 20, 2015 7:02 AM

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xSanox said:
great episode

but there better be an explanation for why fremy is aiming with her covered eye
The eyepatch works as a lens which allows her to see better.
Jul 20, 2015 7:50 AM
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Damn, this show is awesome!

Love the intensity, the animation, the character designs, everything! (so far)

Really really loving the attention to detail, which is something so many adaptations lack these days.

Just ONE question, I know it's a bit late to ask but I just started this show today...

Why does Nasetania have Bunny Ears?

I know character designs in general tend to favor fashion over practicality but the bunny ears were a little bit over the top? Unless there's a fictional use for them like them being antanaes for her to control blades or some weird function like that?
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xSanox said:
great episode

but there better be an explanation for why fremy is aiming with her covered eye
The eyepatch works as a lens which allows her to see better.


I mean, if this is the reason for Flamie's eyepatch, what's the reason for Nashetania's bunny ears? o.o
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Jul 20, 2015 7:59 AM

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Duri1n said:

I mean, if this is the reason for Flamie's eyepatch, what's the reason for Nashetania's bunny ears? o.o


Symbol of royalty
Already answered multiple times but basically going by anime, since it is Aztec-like setting, warriors and people of higher standing display it via animal and flower motifs - King of Piena and Prime Minister had peacock hats, the two warriors in the tournament had Eagle and Bear motifs, Nashetania has bunny motif and Fremy has flower motif.
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CookingPriest said:
Duri1n said:

I mean, if this is the reason for Flamie's eyepatch, what's the reason for Nashetania's bunny ears? o.o


Symbol of royalty
Already answered multiple times but basically going by anime, since it is Aztec-like setting, warriors and people of higher standing display it via animal and flower motifs - King of Piena and Prime Minister had peacock hats, the two warriors in the tournament had Eagle and Bear motifs, Nashetania has bunny motif and Fremy has flower motif.

Ah, thanks for the info. Should have realised sooner. I just nvr thought bunny ears would ever be a symbol for anything... except, well... other things...
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Zefyris said:
Nirvaxstiel said:
Current assumptions. No proof, just pure gut feeling based on what I know so far + previous experiences.

1. Loli is the fake. (Don't know the name yet).
2. Adlet is the fake.
3. Nashetania is the fake.
4. Goddess decides to put in a 7th 'cus the demon lord is going to rek them this time and someone uses this chance to accuse that for a fake.

None of these are true. Just pure imagination and assumption.

Why would you put in 1) one of the two characters we have yet to even hear about? ^^" Just because she's a loli? That's discrimination xD.


Because she wants to seal one of the Braves in the barrier and confront the Demon God with only 5 which seems like the easiest way to sabotage the whole thing rather bloodlessly. That's my theory on why she could be the fake anyway, her barrier plan sucks.

Or Maura is that blue haired person and I'm really bad at judging genders... hm.
Jul 20, 2015 8:20 AM

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^Yes, Mora is the woman in priest garment, not the loli with the frog costume.
Like I said, that "loli" is one of the two characters that you didn't heard about yet. The other one being the guy with the 2 knives in the opening.


[quote]Idk. Thanks to many lolis being craycray nowadays, that's what I got :o[quote]
So that is discrimination indeed :D
Jul 20, 2015 8:23 AM

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Good pace. Love Fremy's character in general. I like the symbols used for their writing language




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Zefyris said:

Why would you put in 1) one of the two characters we have yet to even hear about? ^^" Just because she's a loli? That's discrimination xD.


Because she wants to seal one of the Braves in the barrier and confront the Demon God with only 5 which seems like the easiest way to sabotage the whole thing rather bloodlessly. That's my theory on why she could be the fake anyway, her barrier plan sucks.

Or Maura is that blue haired person and I'm really bad at judging genders... hm.
Eh, the loli you're talking about wasn't the one who made the plan and neither has been seen as of yet. The king was the one who made the plan to help the Rokka no Yuusha. Mora is the Head of the Heaven Temples and she agreed with the plan but as mentioned, the Rokka will only activate it if the soldiers are about to die and they can't activate the temple. So currently, none of the Rokka no Yuusha are in a situation to be sealed within the temple/barrier.
Also the barrier plan doesn't sucks considering the effect it could have in the Rokka no Yuusha. It was mentioned that a past Brave was killed near that location when trying to reunite with the others so the less Kyoumas they have to beat increase their survival for now.
Jul 20, 2015 8:38 AM

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Loving this show. Probably my favorite this season along with Gangsta. Adlet is annoying AF but it's bearable so far.
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Nirvaxstiel said:
Current assumptions. No proof, just pure gut feeling based on what I know so far + previous experiences.

1. Loli is the fake. (Don't know the name yet).
2. Adlet is the fake.
3. Nashetania is the fake.
4. Goddess decides to put in a 7th 'cus the demon lord is going to rek them this time and someone uses this chance to accuse that for a fake.

None of these are true. Just pure imagination and assumption.
5. While one of them is fake they have a change of heart and help the heroes.
Jul 20, 2015 9:16 AM
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Alternatively: The fake one didn't know they were fake and when they know they decide to fight for good, anyways.
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Alternatively: The fake one didn't know they were fake and when they know they decide to fight for good, anyways.
"I'm fake?"
"..."
"You are fake."
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Yes and she wasn't able to handle a single fiend again, even though she had all the time to prepare thanks to goldof, that's what I'm talking about.

BTW, I was a bit bored so I deciphered their language.
Turn out it's english with different letters after all.




They misspelled Nashetania's name even in the hieroglyph lol.


I did the same thing! haha, was wondering if I was the only one.
there's a short continuation afterwards:
"(I'm going after her so you...) just go ahead for your..." and that's where they cut the frame.
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^Yes I know, but I was too lazy to take a screenshot of the whole thing myself, so I just took the pic someone else took (on CR)on another board to decipher it. Since I deciphered it already, wasn't interested in continuing with the following line :p
I see someone else was as bored as me that day. :]
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Kalypze said:
Loving this show. Probably my favorite this season along with Gangsta. Adlet is annoying AF but it's bearable so far.


But he's the strongest man in the world! How can you be annoyed with the strongest man in the world!?

The anime is doing a very nice job of adapting the light novel just wish the subs got the spelling of the characters names correct.

I know who the fake is and I will eagerly await the crazy forum posts that will be written when that episode airs. Fun times ahead and praying for a second season though I expect it will only be one season to promote the light novel and nothing else.
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Jul 20, 2015 11:17 AM

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I wanna understand why!
Why would they attack each other, i cant think of anything other than some kingdom affairs. Obviously Adlet not knowing this makes me even moooore curious. Can't wait for the next episodes! WAAAAH loving this anime! :)


In episode two Goldof says that the Brave-Killer is a white haired girl who uses a gun and her name is Fremy. So they want to kill her because as the title would suggest she has killed people who are braves.

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Dimsheep said:
HaymsHayms said:
I wanna understand why!
Why would they attack each other, i cant think of anything other than some kingdom affairs. Obviously Adlet not knowing this makes me even moooore curious. Can't wait for the next episodes! WAAAAH loving this anime! :)


In episode two Goldof says that the Brave-Killer is a white haired girl who uses a gun and her name is Fremy. So they want to kill her because as the title would suggest she has killed people who are braves.

The brave killer didn't kill "braves" he/she killed "braves candidate" before the braves were selected.
Jul 20, 2015 12:17 PM

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Fremy > Nashetania
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Shokugeki said:
Fremy > Nashetania


Adlet > Fremy/Nashetania.

Adlet for best girl.
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Zefyris said:
Dimsheep said:


In episode two Goldof says that the Brave-Killer is a white haired girl who uses a gun and her name is Fremy. So they want to kill her because as the title would suggest she has killed people who are braves.

The brave killer didn't kill "braves" he/she killed "braves candidate" before the braves were selected.


I know that but I thought it wasn't fully explained in the anime yet so I left it the way I did.

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The worldbuilding is amazing!
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Welp, so Nashetania definitely wants to kill Fremy because she heard from Goldof that she was the brave killer. But since she's trying to save Adlet, how will she react when she finds out that Adlet and Fremy are allies? Draaaaaaaamaaaa!

The whole fog wall plan seems to be pretty cool. But hey, since there are 7 braves, if one has to stay behind to activate it it's not so much of a problem because they'd end up with as many braves as they originally expected ! xD
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Paulo27 said:
xSanox said:
great episode

but there better be an explanation for why fremy is aiming with her covered eye
The eyepatch works as a lens which allows her to see better.


interesting
would have expected some sort of visual effect but atleast it is not an oversight so all good
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xSanox said:
Paulo27 said:
The eyepatch works as a lens which allows her to see better.


interesting
would have expected some sort of visual effect but atleast it is not an oversight so all good


The eye patch is just an eye patch. It has a very import reason behind it but I'll leave that alone so not to spoil anything.

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WTF? This is getting kinda weird. They're all just behaving like a bunch of idiots. How are they supposed to save anyone?

And the bunny princess is useless, she constantly needs to be saved. Wasn't she supposed to be one of the strongest warriors? did she win over the men because they stared at her tits and this strategy just isn't working on the monsters?

It doesn't make anything better if you dress up a guy as ridiculous as the girls.

This looked promising at the beginning, but I'm thinking I might drop it.


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This show has me confused. I love the visuals as well as the setting, and I definitely like that this isn't a generic reverse harem type of show (I should say that if there ever was a reverse harem on the level of To-Love-Ru I would probably watch it with glee), but something about this show grates on my nerves.

Maybe it is the princess motif. The prostitute princess with the heart of gold who is "naive of native customs" annoys me. Akatsuki no Yona has a far better type of this character. And then giving this character bunny girl ears almost demands that I bitch slap the writer (Gate's treatment of the Bunny Girl motif is far superior).

I haven't written this show off yet, I like the visuals and setting after all, but I hope that the next episode or two will redeem the series.

Ah, at least one other who thinks like that.
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Jagd84 said:
This made me grin like an idiot:

He's contender for MC of the season alright.


Hahaha yeah me too, I was like wow that confidence and then that mirror showed up .
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