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Drake1000 said: Who's salty now? Me, I'm starting to hate the MAL community, it kills any desire I have for discussing the episode :-( |
SirJayce said: KamiCity said: I find it funny that you've neither read F/Z nor read F/SN yet you are claiming that the prequel is far superior to the main series. I mean adaptation wise you might have a point, but I have yet to see that many, if any, people claim that the LN is superior to the VN. Which since you are talking about the writing, is the only thing you can judge it by. This is talking out of ignorance. I mean there are many reasons an adaptation could be done wrong. Mediocre director, bad screenwriters, the source material being split into 3 alternate storylines, ect. Also Urobuchi wrote the LN AND Screenwrote the anime, giving him a big advantage because he was screenwriting his own things so he knew what to focus on. Nasu did not screen write the anime, someone else did, meaning that while Nasu did put input it and wrote some material for it, it was ultimately done by someone elses POV. Nasu also cowrote the material for F/Z with urobuchi, Urobuchi even claiming that about 90% of the LN was done using Nasu's ideas, characters, ect. Urobuchi just put those things together you might have a point, doesn't change the things that made f/z better for me personally: characters, narrative and overall progression of the grail war. thing is i absolutely do not care the slightest about rin and shirou so many scenes especially that awkward dating scene were just brutal to experience. not to mention the slice of life scenes, just not my cup of tea. of course this is just my opinion but you can't blame anime only viewers to be disappointed with f/sn if they enjoyed f/z because of the differences and they will obviously be expecting something else. You're only allowed to have an opinion about this anime if you've read the source material for everything Fate-related, didn't you know?!?!?!?!?!? But seriously, you should just have avoided judging the VN. |
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SirJayce said: You were talking about the writing though, writing can only be measured by the actual writing. Also like mentioned the things that made F/Z better for you were written or thought up of at least by Nasu. 90% of it came from Nasu himself, and urobuchi just tied it all together in novel form. Credit is given to urobuchi for writing the novel but it was like saying, "hey nasu you have all these ideas and a general outline of what happened in the past hgw, why not put it into a novel and sell it as a sequal" to which nasu agreed. I mean, if you read HF, the majority of the events in F/Z are mentioned.KamiCity said: I find it funny that you've neither read F/Z nor read F/SN yet you are claiming that the prequel is far superior to the main series. I mean adaptation wise you might have a point, but I have yet to see that many, if any, people claim that the LN is superior to the VN. Which since you are talking about the writing, is the only thing you can judge it by. This is talking out of ignorance. I mean there are many reasons an adaptation could be done wrong. Mediocre director, bad screenwriters, the source material being split into 3 alternate storylines, ect. Also Urobuchi wrote the LN AND Screenwrote the anime, giving him a big advantage because he was screenwriting his own things so he knew what to focus on. Nasu did not screen write the anime, someone else did, meaning that while Nasu did put input it and wrote some material for it, it was ultimately done by someone elses POV. Nasu also cowrote the material for F/Z with urobuchi, Urobuchi even claiming that about 90% of the LN was done using Nasu's ideas, characters, ect. Urobuchi just put those things together you might have a point, doesn't change the things that made f/z better for me personally: characters, narrative and overall progression of the grail war. thing is i absolutely do not care the slightest about rin and shirou so many scenes especially that awkward dating scene were just brutal to experience. not to mention the slice of life scenes, just not my cup of tea. of course this is just my opinion but you can't blame anime only viewers to be disappointed with f/sn if they enjoyed f/z because of the differences. |
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Z4k said: Well to be fair, the FSN franchise at least has some merit to it, something which I can't say for the entirety of the Tokyo Ghoul series. Both fanbase are almost equally as obnoxious though, with the TG fanboys being only slightly worse imo.xenovibe said: Yup, just like Tokyo Ghoul Yeah I know man it explains why F/SN is terrible. |
Stark700 said: TRACE ON. Welp, the fight between Shirou and Gilgamesh. Not too shabby actually considering all the events that lead to this and the clash between the two. Yoooo Gilgamesh  Oh and yeah, Assassin is back. Haven't seen the dude in awhile from the series. Best part of this ep for me was seeing this. Gotta love my Gil with his lion. but ghsghsoghsghsog are we not gonna talk about why Shinji is still alive? Why his ass is gonna get saved? DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE. Damnit he's the one character that needs death. |
KamiCity said: SirJayce said: You were talking about the writing though, writing can only be measured by the actual writing. Also like mentioned the things that made F/Z better for you were written or thought up of at least by Nasu. 90% of it came from Nasu himself, and urobuchi just tied it all together in novel form. Credit is given to urobuchi for writing the novel but it was like saying, "hey nasu you have all these ideas and a general outline of what happened in the past hgw, why not put it into a novel and sell it as a sequal" to which nasu agreed. I mean, if you read HF, the majority of the events in F/Z are mentioned.you might have a point, doesn't change the things that made f/z better for me personally: characters, narrative and overall progression of the grail war. thing is i absolutely do not care the slightest about rin and shirou so many scenes especially that awkward dating scene were just brutal to experience. not to mention the slice of life scenes, just not my cup of tea. of course this is just my opinion but you can't blame anime only viewers to be disappointed with f/sn if they enjoyed f/z because of the differences. Nasu only gave the ideas. Its the dialogues and character interactions written by urobuchi which makes it better than the ubw anime. |
xenovibe said: Z4k said: Well to be fair, the FSN franchise at least has some merit to it, something which I can't say for the entirety of the Tokyo Ghoul series. Both fanbase are almost equally as obnoxious though, with the TG fanboys being only slightly worse imo.Yeah I know man it explains why F/SN is terrible. Really? I don't recall attacking someone's preference just because they don't like the adaptation unlike a certain someone. |
Lollo36 said: Urobuchi wasn't the FZ anime's script writer Are you sure? I mean a screenplay is the script, and a screenwriter does write the screenplay. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2011-10-21/interview-fate-zero-screenwriter-gen-urobuchi |
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| Man, I wish more episode discussions were like this VN related discussions, old acquaintances and oceans of salt Feels like I'm in heaven |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
KamiCity said: Lollo36 said: Urobuchi wasn't the FZ anime's script writer Are you sure? I mean a screenplay is the script, and a screenwriter does write the screenplay. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2011-10-21/interview-fate-zero-screenwriter-gen-urobuchi In both ANN and MAL, he's only listed as the original creator, so the interview is probably at fault. They may have gotten confused by the fact that he was the screenwriter for both Madoka and Psycho-Pass |
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Z4k said: I'll give the dialogue to Urobuchi, but the character interactions, names, ect where done by Nasu for the most part. Don't forget, they did discuss everything by sitting around playing D&D together, meaning they played off of eachother tieing it together. Also as stated before, urobuchi wrote the screenplay aka the script for the anime, at least according to ANN, giving him advantage over the anime since he knew how and where to focus on. A lot of the dialogue from the VN was not present in the anime, or it was badly translated "correct/right."Nasu only gave the ideas. Its the dialogues and character interactions written by urobuchi which makes it better than the ubw anime. I'm not arguing that urobuchi isn't a good writer, i'm just saying you can't really judge the writing quality by an adaptation. Since the writers ability comes from what he actually wrote. |
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KamiCity said: Lollo36 said: Urobuchi wasn't the FZ anime's script writer Are you sure? I mean a screenplay is the script, and a screenwriter does write the screenplay. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2011-10-21/interview-fate-zero-screenwriter-gen-urobuchi He isn't listed here http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=12376 Unless you have any other source I don't believe he did the script for F/Z. |
Z4k said: KamiCity said: You were talking about the writing though, writing can only be measured by the actual writing. Also like mentioned the things that made F/Z better for you were written or thought up of at least by Nasu. 90% of it came from Nasu himself, and urobuchi just tied it all together in novel form. Credit is given to urobuchi for writing the novel but it was like saying, "hey nasu you have all these ideas and a general outline of what happened in the past hgw, why not put it into a novel and sell it as a sequal" to which nasu agreed. I mean, if you read HF, the majority of the events in F/Z are mentioned. Nasu only gave the ideas. Its the dialogues and character interactions written by urobuchi which makes it better than the ubw anime. nasu was the supervisor and overseeing EVERY WORD that Butcher would write Everything in the story except Serial Killer Kun was already mentioned and set up by FSN. Every single important story bit. Hell even bits like Irisviel's car driving, or the whole excalibur use by the bridge ARE mentioned in FSN way before Zero. |
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xShigarakix said: nasu was the supervisor Everything in the story except Serial Killer Kun was already mentioned and set up by FSN. Every single important story bit. Hell even bits like Irisviel's car driving, or the whole excalibur use by the bridge ARE mentioned in FSN way before Zero. What about |
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| Great episode, how much action and how many fights, the animation is incredible simplementes, what falls short is the protagonist, I can only describe Shirou as pathetic, I prefer the personality of Gilgamesh than that of Shirou, although I also do not like of Gilgamesh, in fact the best male character of this anime is Archer Near the end, and more struggles are yet to come, want to see something of the level of Fate/Zero battles, as I am anxious .. |
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Tylaen said: Oh no, some people have an opinion that differs from you, fuck those meanies :(I liked this episode. F£$%# you guys😞 |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| This episode was kinda boring, but still better then last week. Guilek said: Tokoya said: Fabulous....Dio has competition lol If you look closer, you can see to who this lion look like: Now that I look at the both pictures... Didn't Fate/Zero Gilgamesh have more hair? |
| Noir… It is the name of an ancient fate. Two sisters who watch anime. The peace of the newly born, their black hands protect. |
Lollo36 said: xShigarakix said: nasu was the supervisor Everything in the story except Serial Killer Kun was already mentioned and set up by FSN. Every single important story bit. Hell even bits like Irisviel's car driving, or the whole excalibur use by the bridge ARE mentioned in FSN way before Zero. What about IIRC he said all the characters were created by Nasu except one or something like that, I think. |
Insertanamehere said: Lollo36 said: What about IIRC he said all the characters were created by Nasu except one or something like that, I think. xShigarakix said: Everything in the story except Serial Killer Kun was already mentioned and set up by FSN. This is the only thing I was questioning |
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Lollo36 said: Urobuchi himself stated that he proposed those because they were already Nasu's ideas. He said all he did was come up with Maiya's name.xShigarakix said: nasu was the supervisor Everything in the story except Serial Killer Kun was already mentioned and set up by FSN. Every single important story bit. Hell even bits like Irisviel's car driving, or the whole excalibur use by the bridge ARE mentioned in FSN way before Zero. What about Unless you have any other source I don't believe he did the script for F/Z. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt then, since he might have only supervised the script and not wrote it, like nasu is doing. Even so though, the rest I said still stands. Edit: Lollo36 said: I retract my previous statement.xShigarakix said: Everything in the story except Serial Killer Kun was already mentioned and set up by FSN. This is the only thing I was questioning |
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xShigarakix said: Z4k said: Nasu only gave the ideas. Its the dialogues and character interactions written by urobuchi which makes it better than the ubw anime. nasu was the supervisor and overseeing EVERY WORD that Butcher would write Everything in the story except Serial Killer Kun was already mentioned and set up by FSN. Every single important story bit. Hell even bits like Irisviel's car driving, or the whole excalibur use by the bridge ARE mentioned in FSN way before Zero. Your point? Nowhere did I deny the fact that the ideas were given by Nasu. |
Lollo36 said: This is the only thing I was questioning To my recollection, |
Z4k said: You jumped into an ongoing conversation, I was continuing the conversation while also addressing you. I also did state that I give credit to urobuchi when it comes to the dialogue, but the interactions ect were also in part done by nasu.Your point? Nowhere did I deny the fact that the ideas were given by Nasu. |
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BruceLad said: Assassin is back on the screen and....he's dead. Decent episode, Gil being OP and murdering shirou was fun to watch. He's not dead yet >.> |
| Yeah....UBW could have come close to matching Fate Zero, but it withered off during this season. It just, I don't know, wasn't good enough. Highly inconsistent in parts and lots of seemingly (yes only seemingly) meaningless talk. This episode was a prime example as we saw a very bad Saber vs Assassins fight, compared to the awe-inspiring fights before. Maybe it is like a guy said- FSN VN > FZ > FSN anime; I do know that most books are far better compared to their movie adaptations so that maybe the case. Yes I have NOT read the VN, nor do I plan to until after watching HF. But Fate Zero truly was a really good piece of art, just really well polished in all aspects and highly, highly watchable. TL,DR- People will bring up F/Z because it just was that good, and they somehow expected 1/3rd of the story to be as good. Wait till HF and we should have a much better discussion. |
nsa23x said: Yeah....UBW could have come close to matching Fate Zero, but it withered off during this season. It just, I don't know, wasn't good enough. Highly inconsistent in parts and lots of seemingly (yes only seemingly) meaningless talk. This episode was a prime example as we saw a very bad Saber vs Assassins fight, compared to the awe-inspiring fights before. Maybe it is like a guy said- FSN VN > FZ > FSN anime; I do know that most books are far better compared to their movie adaptations so that maybe the case. Yes I have NOT read the VN, nor do I plan to until after watching HF. But Fate Zero truly was a really good piece of art, just really well polished in all aspects and highly, highly watchable. TL,DR- People will bring up F/Z because it just was that good, and they somehow expected 1/3rd of the story to be as good. Wait till HF and we should have a much better discussion. There is also a missing "Fate route" factor that would have made UBW and HF even better if they had adapted all 3 routes. Also there is also the possibility that HF will only be one movie, completely butchering the route. We hope this doesn't happen though. Ufotable did state that HF would be their greatest work to date, that could just be PR talk though. |
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| I didn't hate this episode Come at me, VN readers |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
xShigarakix said: Z4k said: Nasu only gave the ideas. Its the dialogues and character interactions written by urobuchi which makes it better than the ubw anime. nasu was the supervisor and overseeing EVERY WORD that Butcher would write Everything in the story except Serial Killer Kun was already mentioned and set up by FSN. Every single important story bit. Hell even bits like Irisviel's car driving, or the whole excalibur use by the bridge ARE mentioned in FSN way before Zero. Plus serial killer-kun and caster are mentioned in f/ha. |
Comic_Sans said: I didn't hate this episode Come at me, VN readers There's no need for VN knowledge to realize that this episode sucked, unless you really like listening to Gilgamesh repeat the exact same stuff he already said. |
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Comic_Sans said: I didn't hate this episode Come at me, VN readers Did you like how terribly underwhelming Saber vs. Assassin was? |
fst said: Was that the entire episode?Comic_Sans said: I didn't hate this episode Come at me, VN readers Did you like how terribly underwhelming Saber vs. Assassin was? |
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Lollo36 said: I don't like listening to bullshitComic_Sans said: I didn't hate this episode Come at me, VN readers There's no need for VN knowledge to realize that this episode sucked, unless you really like listening to Gilgamesh repeat the exact same stuff he already said. I like listening to Tomokazu Seki There's a big difference between those two fst said: I don't care about SaberComic_Sans said: I didn't hate this episode Come at me, VN readers Did you like how terribly underwhelming Saber vs. Assassin was? |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Darkmoq said: KamiCity said: There is also a missing "Fate route" factor that would have made UBW and HF even better if they had adapted all 3 routes. Also there is also the possibility that HF will only be one movie, completely butchering the route. We hope this doesn't happen though. Ufotable did state that HF would be their greatest work to date, that could just be PR talk though. I single movie would be a nightmare disaster. Plus, Cooking Priest would have a heart attack and ufotable would have his blood on their hands. Cooking Priest hates Sakura though, so he'd probably rejoice a bit. |
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Comic_Sans said: I don't care about Saber[/quote]Comic_Sans said: I didn't hate this episode Come at me, VN readers Did you like how terribly underwhelming Saber vs. Assassin was? I said Saber vs. Assassin Nobody cares about Saber |
KamiCity said: Darkmoq said: I single movie would be a nightmare disaster. Plus, Cooking Priest would have a heart attack and ufotable would have his blood on their hands. Cooking Priest hates Sakura though, so he'd probably rejoice a bit. He may rejoice, but Team HF (me along some other people) will form the new and better salt club xD |
fst said: I don't care about Assassin eitherComic_Sans said: I don't care about Saber I said Saber vs. Assassin Nobody cares about Saber |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| I have a question : Why Miura fucked up so bad this adaptation and KnK 6, but did a decent job with Fate/Zero ? In MyAnimelist, it says that he did "Episode Director, Storyboard, Key Animation" for Fate/Zero 2nd season. So what the hell happened between Fate/zero and the rest of his work ? |
Shrimperor said: Count me in that salt club, a single movie for HF would be a fucking travesty.KamiCity said: Cooking Priest hates Sakura though, so he'd probably rejoice a bit. He may rejoice, but Team HF (me along some other people) will form the new and better salt club xD |
KamiCity said: fst said: Was that the entire episode?Did you like how terribly underwhelming Saber vs. Assassin was? No, but the people who have been disappointed by this whole season are like me- they expect better from a studio that gave us F/Z. Is it wrong to do so? No, Is it correct? Maybe not. (See what I did there?! No, ok....). It is cruel to many when you feel your being led on, and even not having read the VN, I can see different ways this second season could have been better. Also, really hope HF is a 2/3 (3 please) movie series, not a single. |
Shintai said: Shrimperor said: Count me in that salt club, a single movie for HF would be a fucking travesty.He may rejoice, but Team HF (me along some other people) will form the new and better salt club xD Apart from the fact it would be pretty :3 |
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Krovarion said: Miura? Fucking up KnK 6? It's not Miura's fault that Nasu wrote a story about a sister wanting to fuck her big broI have a question : Why Miura fucked up so bad this adaptation and KnK 6, but did a decent job with Fate/Zero ? In MyAnimelist, it says that he did "Episode Director, Storyboard, Key Animation" for Fate/Zero 2nd season. So what the hell happened between Fate/zero and the rest of his work ? |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Krovarion said: I have a question : Why Miura fucked up so bad this adaptation and KnK 6, but did a decent job with Fate/Zero ? In MyAnimelist, it says that he did "Episode Director, Storyboard, Key Animation" for Fate/Zero 2nd season. So what the hell happened between Fate/zero and the rest of his work ? He did episode 15 (excalibur) and 19 (;_;) of zero only. Those where some of the best episodes but I think he has problems putting together a larger story. He is like ufotable's tow ubukata. |
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