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fst said: They did kinda screw up in the way that they allowed Answer to climax in the last episode instead of this one But they were always going to have to split it, I guess. I wouldn't say they screwed up at all. That's just the nature of the show. There's no way around this issue aside from merging episode 8 and 9 into a 40 min episode. Which yet again shows how F/SN isn't episodic and that it flows much better when marathoned. Too bad that's not an option yet. That makes me hopeful for HF, since we'll be able to see a whole lot more in a sitting and the story will most likely flow a lot better. On the other hand, the wait for the following movie will probably be much more painful. |
| LOL headbutt describes the conclusion of the answer in a nutshell |
| I remember watching a review from GRAKada or whatever his name is on youtube of fate stay night. He said that DEEN does really well on still images and I see what he means now, just rewatched the fight and the shot of Shirou stabbing Archer looks so much better than UFO's despite the differences in budget. (Obviously UFO made the fight look a lot better though) |
FlamepriesT said: fst said: They did kinda screw up in the way that they allowed Answer to climax in the last episode instead of this one But they were always going to have to split it, I guess. I wouldn't say they screwed up at all. That's just the nature of the show. There's no way around this issue aside from merging episode 8 and 9 into a 40 min episode. Which yet again shows how F/SN isn't episodic and that it flows much better when marathoned. Too bad that's not an option yet. That makes me hopeful for HF, since we'll be able to see a whole lot more in a sitting and the story will most likely flow a lot better. On the other hand, the wait for the following movie will probably be much more painful. I actually watched episodes 7&8 before 9 today and the transitions between the episodes were flawless. |
| Big Order (TV):great anime or greatest anime? |
Raziel1991 said: I think at this point ufotable fans cannot criticize the giant swords thing in the Deen movie. It is also a really big dissapointment the fact they still fail to understand how UBW works. |
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R_Turn said: Can someone explain me why rin gave a shit when archer got killed i mean he didnt give a flying fuck when shinji wanted to rape her Because he's tall, dark and handsome. And also because he owes her for that, and he can't repay her if he's dead. |
R_Turn said: Can someone explain me why rin gave a shit when archer got killed i mean he didnt give a flying fuck when shinji wanted to rape her He's the only one who understands her woe's on laundry day. |
bobzanny said: FlamepriesT said: I wouldn't say they screwed up at all. That's just the nature of the show. There's no way around this issue aside from merging episode 8 and 9 into a 40 min episode. Which yet again shows how F/SN isn't episodic and that it flows much better when marathoned. Too bad that's not an option yet. That makes me hopeful for HF, since we'll be able to see a whole lot more in a sitting and the story will most likely flow a lot better. On the other hand, the wait for the following movie will probably be much more painful. I actually watched episodes 7&8 before 9 today and the transitions between the episodes were flawless. Nice. Lucky you to have waited. It probably felt like a longer episode with much better flow and a proper ending. These 3 episodes are pretty conclusive when you watch them in a row, yet the overarching plot is clearly there. Based on what's left in the visual novel, I'm pretty sure the last 4 episodes will also flow just like that. Kinda like single, extended episode... in fact, pretty much like a movie. |
| Nice going, ufotable. Way to top DEEN on that giant sword spam. Disgusting. I don't care if the first 2 faded, the third and fourth ones clearly didn't. Imo, ufoAnswer's last blow was also quite underwhelming. Emiya was barely noticeable and did not play long enough. Too bad. I actually like Fukusawa's version. Saber and GAR flashbacks were nice. Loved LE Saber cameo. Of course, who could forget Gil, who was, imo, pretty good? First time I actually was impressed with his dialogue, probably because his mongrel speak returned. Overall: 3.5/5. I was tempted to give this a 2.5 but those Saber, Archer flashback, and Gil moments were great. |
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| Loved the episode. Well, most of it, anyways. LOL THAT PREVIEW!!!! "You're going to create a connection between you and me, to share mana?" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ahhh, memories... XD |
| "There's no shame in falling down... true shame is to not stand up again!" "Aah? Of course I won't miss!" "My blood tastes like Iron." "Run through the tape in life! Never give up! Run through the tape!" |
| UBW in a nutshell: JA.. JAAMMM IT IN! |
| Das Feenreich! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUvxzKt5GoM |
SaintEmiya said: he has eye of the mind fake It's Assassin that has Eye of the Mind (Fake)/Mind's Eye (Fake) ranked A, and what it does is different. It's description is "a resistance to changes in visibility caused by visual interference. Also called sixth sense, or presience; an innate talent to sense danger" . Berserker also has it, though his is B ranked. Archer's is Eye of the Mind (True) or Mind's Eye (True) ranked B. |
VarunaBlesMay 30, 2015 7:28 PM
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TheDodo said: wrong route.UBW in a nutshell: JA.. JAAMMM IT IN! |
| I didn't feel too great with this episode. Nonetheless, they did a good job with the action scenes. Dang, Shinji´s death was unpleasant to watch... |
| It was rushed and lacked impact,but it wasn't a bad episode. Gil finally feels like a villain again,hallelujah |
| Give this episode a 5 only because of that preview...can't wait. |
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| Guess it was wrong to have my hopes up after ep 20. Calls it the answer and only half of the ep was used on the conclusion. Was hoping for shirou to monologue his "answer" to archer but nope, can't give him anything. The "it's my win archer" and "and it's my loss" had completely no impact and archer's face was completely emotionless too. |
| all other archers pale in comparison. |
DamnThatsTheSpot said: Gil finally feels like a villain again,hallelujah He finally said mongrel! REJOICE! |
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VarunaBles said: DamnThatsTheSpot said: Gil finally feels like a villain again,hallelujah He finally said mongrel! REJOICE! I already am,man,it's been so long ;_;  Also I always disliked LE Saber's look but i actually found it quite nice in ufo-style art |
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| I can honestly say that i give zero fucks that Shinji died that way. I was praying Gil would kill his ass. My poor Archer T-T |
| Another good episode, after the Emiya x Archer nonsense fest finally ends. This is gonna be hard to pick a score |
Mickdrew said: This alone justified the episode   <333 Now that's hot. |
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DamnThatsTheSpot said: Also I always disliked LE Saber's look but i actually found it quite nice in ufo-style art Me, too. Longer hair is always better for me, aside from the more obvious improvements. |
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| Ponytail saber still best saber. |
| A bit too much metaphorical speak. Alright episode though |
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MostRealArcher said: Guess it was wrong to have my hopes up after ep 20. Calls it the answer and only half of the ep was used on the conclusion. Was hoping for shirou to monologue his "answer" to archer but nope, can't give him anything. The "it's my win archer" and "and it's my loss" had completely no impact and archer's face was completely emotionless too. Can't give him anything? I recall him pretty much giving his "answer" last week and kicking ass at the end of the episode. He also had a pretty good skirmish with Archer at the beginning of today's episode. He said pretty much all he thinks, whether he's saying it out loud or just thinking to himself doesn't make it a difference here. They give us 25-30 minutes of Answer - which is basically the entire fight, not just the conclusion -, yet people complain about "only" getting a 10 minute conclusion because the episode was labeled "Answer". Just because of the name of the episode. It's like you guys have amnesia and forgot everything that took place in the previous episode. I wonder what you guys were expecting... maybe Archer getting stabbed in the back at the end of the episode with no follow up at all until next week? Or perhaps not show him being hit by Gil's swords and then all of a sudden do that next week without rhyme or reason? Because I wouldn't be surprised to see people complain about that stuff as well if they'd done things differently. What we saw today is exactly what I'd predicted a couple of weeks ago based on the number of episode remaining. So yeah, I have to agree with you... expecting a whole episode of Answer without Gil showing up and talking about the grail was silly. |
| Don't you just love the way Gil explains to them "that means you're less to me than soot"? I like how they ended it with the Shinji grail scene. I can already see the dolphins next episode. |
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ReaperCreeper said: I can already see the dolphins next episode. lol |
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ReaperCreeper said: dolphins http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2009/05/13/dolphins_are_violent_predators_that_kill_their_own_babies.html ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
fst said: Obviously it's symbolism for how Shirou likes it rough.ReaperCreeper said: dolphins http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2009/05/13/dolphins_are_violent_predators_that_kill_their_own_babies.html ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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| It's also a metaphor for Rin's dominance in their relationship. It fits in so many ways! |
| After a pretty good episode last week this one was a bit disappointing. No monologues of shirou but Archer should have all as he is the perfect man RIGHT Miura ,who cares about the ginger idiot who will never change. Also Saber's monologues on the fight were unnecessary , has Takeuchi become the head of UFO they are giving way too much screentime to saber than needed and they should as calling the ginger idiot a protagonist is a blasphamy. Answer's conlcusion was lacking the impact it needed. It was good but lacked the impact that's needed. VN is the best in the end. The sad thing is this looks like archer is the underdog here and shirou is the idiot responcible for that T_T AND yeah dolphins incoming , i will be surprised if we get fade to black. An OK episode. 3/5 |
| He initially followed in Kiritsugu's footsteps because he admired him, but also because he believed that was the way that he could happiness, in other words "save himself" as he felt Kiritsugu did when he rescued him. |
ZeroDragonMay 30, 2015 9:41 PM
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Forgetfulness said: Congrats, you got it. Although one person doesn't represent an entire group (trust me, we've seen far stupider), but nice job nonetheless Well one person does debunk Fai's "Nobody will understand Shirou's character" You only need one counter example to disprove absolutism. |
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FlamepriesT said: They give us 25-30 minutes of Answer - which is basically the entire fight, not just the conclusion -, yet people complain about "only" getting a 10 minute conclusion because the episode was labeled "Answer". Just because of the name of the episode. It's like you guys have amnesia and forgot everything that took place in the previous episode. I wonder what you guys were expecting... maybe Archer getting stabbed in the back at the end of the episode with no follow up at all until next week? Or perhaps not show him being hit by Gil's swords and then all of a sudden do that next week without rhyme or reason? Because I wouldn't be surprised to see people complain about that stuff as well if they'd done things differently. What we saw today is exactly what I'd predicted a couple of weeks ago based on the number of episode remaining. So yeah, I have to agree with you... expecting a whole episode of Answer without Gil showing up and talking about the grail was silly. I liked the episode, but I can understand the griping. I didn't know what to expect; it felt less impactful to me, too. Yet, there's nothing I'd add to the events and dialogue were fine. (In fact, the exposition felt a bit on the repetitive side.) But the music could have been done so much better. The music itself was... nice... but the musical buildup and climax felt like a half-measure. It lacked... *oomph*. What I was expecting... was epic buildup in the music (whether it was the EMIYA theme or not). So, that was rather disappointing. In fact, it's even more disappointing now that I think about it, because I liked the other parts. IMO it got the important points across, and I am happy about that. But some of the feeling of it was lost. |
Forgetfulness said: KamiCity said: Rereads guy already did that, but apparently he doesn't count because he actually pays attention to the showWell one person does debunk Fai's "Nobody will understand Shirou's character" You only need one counter example to disprove absolutism. I don't even know how to respond to that. He doesn't count because he actually does what he's supposed to do. So what criticism is only valid if the person doesn't pay attention. |
KamiCityMay 30, 2015 10:17 PM
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| Ufotable certainly hasn't been in your face with a few things, but even if they're subtle it's still possible to get a good idea what these things mean. Saber's identity, for instance, is heavily implied in some of these recent scenes if you pay attention and read between the lines. They may not have said out loud who she is, but they've definitely shown it. It's also pretty clear she regrets the outcome of her decisions in life. It's definitely possible to infer who she was and what her wish is, even if you only have a vague idea. At the beginning of the fight between Archer and Shirou, you could see they swords been "traced" every time they clashed - a hint that Shirou is trying to improve his technique. Archer does mention that out loud though, but you can see they're also showing it. |
| New preview for FSN Episode 21: |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
TrueKirei said: New preview for FSN Episode 21: Hahahaha omg this is great, thanks for this. This is hilarious. |
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novalysis said: Hmm, judging by all the griping about "the Answer", I take it that by that logic, anime-only viewers would have gotten a very wrong, shallow and simplistic understanding of what is a grand and philosophical "answer" to the conundrum of Emiya Shirou's philosophy and philosophy. With this in mind, allow me, a mostly Anime Original viewer and one of those ignorant fools who entered this franchise from the Fate Zero Franchise to put forth what I thought I comprehended from the past two episodes, about Emiya Shirou's character. Emiya Shirou is a man with a borrowed Philosophy, a Philosophy derived from the ideals Emiya Kiritsugu held in Fate/Zero - the desire to be a Hero of Justice, to save as many as he can. In Fate/Zero, the tainted Grail suggested that the way to accomplish Kiritsugu's wish for peace for all humanity, was to literally grant all humanity the peace of death. As a result of discovering the Evil within the Grail, Kiritsugu ordered Saber to destroy the Grail. The result was the Great Fuyuki Fire, which killed hundreds if not thousands. Shattered by the events, and the carnage of the aftermath, Kiritsugu desperately searched for a survivor, any survivor, someone to save. He found Emiya Shirou, saved him with the Nobel Phantasm Avalon (which allowed the regeneration of all injuries) and in doing so, Kiritsugu somewhat saved himself by saving at least one person. Kiritsugu adopted Emiya Shirou. And while being raised by Kiritsugu, Emiya Shirou gradually learned, in a vague, general way, of Kiritsugu's ideals - the whole idea of saving everyone and becoming a Hero of Justice. And so, all that full moon night, Emiya Shirou resolves to follow in Kiritsugu's footsteps, finding beauty in the idea, resolving to become a Hero of Justice. As a result, Emiya Shirou tries to live his interpertation of what it means to be a Hero of Justice, existing for others, and putting others before himself in pursuit of this ideal he sees as beautiful. But Archer, the Future Emiya experiences this ideal, and believes that at the end of this extreme ideal of self-denial is futility. One would not only be betrayed, but one can never save everyone in the end. One would keep killing to save others, and in the end, kill more than they may have saved. The ideal is endless, and thankless, and unattainable. In the end, the ideal will break the Individual. Shirou Emiya on the other hand reaffirms the beauty of the ideal in itself, that the ideal itself is meritorious even if unattainable. But he goes one step further, by arguing even if the cost and the end of the ideal may be tragic in itself, the very journey itself is more than worth it. Even if an ideal is unattainable, it is living out these ideals and experiencing these ideals and saving some even if you can't save all that makes it worth it. Even if you cannot save all, you can save some, or even one. If the striving of the ideal itself reaffirms it's beauty, despite it's unattainability, then the experience, then the journey itself is very worth the ending. It is the journey that is important, not the ending. The ideal of the Hero of Justice does not achieve fruits in it's ending, but in it's striving. If this is hypocrisy, so be it. You're proving the VN purists wrong but they will probably continue to whine. Albeit in the VN it was easier to reach that conclusion in because they were many hints (in the form of inner monologue and dreams) before The Answer part of the UBW route, the VN purists may be right by saying it's less easier to understand but you shown that it's not necessarily hard. One of the problem in the VN is the verbose, some things do get repetitive and Nasu has made that clear in his recent interviews. |
CyberNTMay 30, 2015 10:22 PM
fst said: Ponytail saber still best saber. Preach. |
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TrueKirei said: "Anus isn't defenseless enough, 2/10" - FaiNew preview for FSN Episode 21: |
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Onbuu said: For some reason i just cant hate Gilgamesh even,if i tried. Maybe because he isnt all talk. I havent been this happy about villain's(used that word veeeeery loosely) death since I just finished Game of Thrones Season 2 and didn't want to know that. I was expecting a VN spoiler...Not cool dude. :( |
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fst said: ReaperCreeper said: dolphins http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2009/05/13/dolphins_are_violent_predators_that_kill_their_own_babies.html ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 100% accurate Just watch the Discovery Channel |
TrueKireiPriestMay 30, 2015 10:32 PM
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
arachni42 said: FlamepriesT said: I liked the episode, but I can understand the griping. I didn't know what to expect; it felt less impactful to me, too. Yet, there's nothing I'd add to the events and dialogue were fine. (In fact, the exposition felt a bit on the repetitive side.) But the music could have been done so much better. The music itself was... nice... but the musical buildup and climax felt like a half-measure. It lacked... *oomph*. What I was expecting... was epic buildup in the music (whether it was the EMIYA theme or not). So, that was rather disappointing. In fact, it's even more disappointing now that I think about it, because I liked the other parts. IMO it got the important points across, and I am happy about that. But some of the feeling of it was lost. Yeah, I don't think the conclusion of their fight was particularly impressive to visual novel readers. Which doesn't mean they rushed it or failed to portray their clash of ideals - that's something else entirely. In fact, it seems a lot of anime viewers liked the fight if you watch the live reaction videos on youtube. It's pretty clear that the climax was Shirou's actual "answer" at the end of episode 8. What we see in episode 9 is like a follow up to Shirou's answer. It portrays his answer mostly in attitude rather than speech. It's about how Archer can't accept that Shirou won't give up, no matter how much pain he takes or how long the fight lasts. Like I said before though, episodes 7, 8, and 9 definitely flow better if you watch them on the same day. While episodes 7 and 8 are perfectly fine if you take them apart, episode 9 loses some momentum. Just like the moment Gilgamesh rips Illya's heart out - that scene was pretty tame, but there was no way it would have been as shocking as it should have because the climax took place at the end of the previous episode. But yeah, I know what you mean. TrueKirei said: New preview for FSN Episode 21: looooooool |
FlamepriesTMay 30, 2015 10:33 PM
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