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Epicenter said: Archer seems to love being a showman and repeating himself, rather than just straight up doing what he says he wants to do and straight up murdering a fucker. He's trying to teach it seems. Well he's trying to prove to Shirou (himself) that he really was wrong for following his ideals, that it's right that he regrets what he has done. |
| Lool "Defeat the me that is yourself" I'm sure Kamina would soil himself if he heard this xD Episode was meh, but the OST was godly |
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Mich666 said: I dunno, it was animated well and everything and they finally(!) let us hear at least something of Shirou's inner voice but they changed things... and it almost felt like they are dragging it for too long. Also, why does it seems they mixed Fate and UBW again? Avallon shouldn't heal him at this part or are they implying he CREATED the sheat in himself by finding the sword in his mind? That's bullshit to me, if anything they should sent Saber to him to heal him but even that would be contrary to what this scene should be about and that is to fight against him only by sheer will and belief in his ideal. I agree with this completely, I really hope they show this next episode by having Archer completely beat down Shirou who's just barely surviving and fighting thanks to the strength of his belief in his ideals. |
Epicenter said: Archer seems to love being a showman and repeating himself, rather than just straight up doing what he says he wants to do and straight up murdering a fucker. He's trying to teach it seems. Pretty much, yes. Mich666 said: Also, why does it seems they mixed Fate and UBW again? Avallon shouldn't heal him at this part or are they implying he CREATED the sheat in himself by finding the sword in his mind? That's bullshit to me, if anything they should sent Saber to him to heal him but even that would be contrary to what this scene should be about and that is to fight against him only by sheer will and belief in his ideal. Avalon did heal him in the VN, though. Just not as flashy as this version. Archer said it himself, rather off-handedly. |
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SaintEmiya said: Epicenter said: Archer seems to love being a showman and repeating himself, rather than just straight up doing what he says he wants to do and straight up murdering a fucker. He's trying to teach it seems. Well he's trying to prove to Shirou (himself) that he really was wrong for following his ideals, that it's right that he regrets what he has done. That's what I gather too, which is why I don't get mad about what doesn't seem pragmatic in the murder departments, despite him always saying he's going to murder him. |
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Epicenter said: SaintEmiya said: Well he's trying to prove to Shirou (himself) that he really was wrong for following his ideals, that it's right that he regrets what he has done. That's what I gather too, which is why I don't get mad about what doesn't seem pragmatic in the murder departments, despite him always saying he's going to murder him. Yea I agree he doesn't have to repeat himself quite so much xD. |
Forgetfulness said: ya, Avalon has been inside Shirou since the end of the 4th. They actually established that this episode.Mich666 said: Why not? It would make less sense for it to not work since it has been established that he has it and Saber is nearby and on his sideI dunno, it was animated well and everything and they finally(!) let us hear at least something of Shirou's inner voice but they changed things... and it almost felt like they are dragging it for too long (Tohsaka's part was good but shouldn't she carry Shinji away from fire on her back in the end?). Also, why does it seems they mixed Fate and UBW again? Avallon shouldn't heal him at this part or are they implying he CREATED the sheat in himself by finding the sword in his mind? That's bullshit to me, if anything they should sent Saber to him to heal him but even that would be contrary to what this scene should be about and that is to fight against him only by sheer will and belief in his ideal. |
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Forgetfulness said: Mich666 said: Why not? It would make less sense for it to not work since it has been established that he has it and Saber is nearby and on his sideI dunno, it was animated well and everything and they finally(!) let us hear at least something of Shirou's inner voice but they changed things... and it almost felt like they are dragging it for too long (Tohsaka's part was good but shouldn't she carry Shinji away from fire on her back in the end?). Also, why does it seems they mixed Fate and UBW again? Avallon shouldn't heal him at this part or are they implying he CREATED the sheat in himself by finding the sword in his mind? That's bullshit to me, if anything they should sent Saber to him to heal him but even that would be contrary to what this scene should be about and that is to fight against him only by sheer will and belief in his ideal. But pretty sure it never heals him quite like that, just keeps him barely alive whilst fighting. |
| Lancer was friggin' beast! Loved how he wrecked Kirei and scare Shinji shitless! Such a shame he's gone now.. > "Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right." Reminded me of "People die if they're killed." Shirou's dialogues are simply fabulous. Archer vs. Shirou's battle choreography was top notch! The Avalon part was nicely done as well. Good episode. Aimer's song and the soundtracks were amazing too! |
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| Ok. Episode was nice... but even I who didn't read the VN know there are huge plot holes there. Gonna read VN after the show ends. |
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richard360 said: Lool "Defeat the me that is yourself" I'm sure Kamina would soil himself if he heard this xD lol xD Kind of confused about that flashback, sorry if it was obvious (maybe it was the way it was shown?). Still kind of unclear about what Shirou thinks, but it's as clear as ever that he believes in himself (not Archer) and could avoid it or something. lol wasn't expecting Kirei to go down so easily (flashback to F/Z), but it is Lancer. . not sure how the command spell didn't work but w/a lol cool episode. |
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Saburo-kun said: lol wasn't expecting Kirei to go down so easily (flashback to F/Z), but it is Lancer. . not sure how the command spell didn't work but w/a lol cool episode. Well, the command was "kill yourself, Lancer" and he did. He just didn't do it fast enough for Kirei to survive. |
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VarunaBles said: Saburo-kun said: lol wasn't expecting Kirei to go down so easily (flashback to F/Z), but it is Lancer. . not sure how the command spell didn't work but w/a lol cool episode. Well, the command was "kill yourself, Lancer" and he did. He just didn't do it fast enough for Kirei to survive. Yea,kirei's role was not big in ubw i guess i have not read the vn but i heard that lancer posses something like 'battle continuation' ability that allowed him to kill kotomine |
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Wintovisky said: Ok. Episode was nice... but even I who didn't read the VN know there are huge plot holes there. There are? I mean, I only see one, and I don't think it's what you're referring to. sabesaini said: VarunaBles said: Well, the command was "kill yourself, Lancer" and he did. He just didn't do it fast enough for Kirei to survive. Yea,kirei's role was not big in ubw i guess i have not read the vn but i heard that lancer posses something like 'battle continuation' ability that allowed him to kill kotomine Yes, it's lets them go on despite being near death, until a clearly fatal wound is received. Berserker had it due to his surpassing his own legend and whatnot. Lancer had it since at the end of his life Cu Chulainn tied himself to a rock to remain standing to continue fighting when he was half dead while fighting an army. Epicenter said: SaintEmiya said: Well he's trying to prove to Shirou (himself) that he really was wrong for following his ideals, that it's right that he regrets what he has done. That's what I gather too, which is why I don't get mad about what doesn't seem pragmatic in the murder departments, despite him always saying he's going to murder him. He wants to "break his spirit" too, remember? |
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| I wouldnt look to much into the Avalon healing, it would have done the same thing regardless, they just choose rule of cool/flash over over time healing. |
sabesaini said: VarunaBles said: Well, the command was "kill yourself, Lancer" and he did. He just didn't do it fast enough for Kirei to survive. Yea,kirei's role was not big in ubw i guess i have not read the vn but i heard that lancer posses something like 'battle continuation' ability that allowed him to kill kotomine Basically, attacks that are fatal are still fatal, but take a long time to actually kill him. It's from his legend where he took several fatal attacks but still lasted long enough to kill his attackers and tie himself to a tree or rock (can't remember) so he would die on his feet. |
sabesaini said: Yea,kirei's role was not big in ubw i guess i have read the vn but i heard that lancer posses something like 'battle continuation' ability that allowed him to kill kotomine You are correct. It is Battle Continuation rank A. The description is "It allows for battle even on the verge of death, and allows users to stay alive until they receive a clearly fatal blow". |
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EmphaticPikachu said: I wouldnt look to much into the Avalon healing, it would have done the same thing regardless, they just choose rule of cool/flash over over time healing. Did you say cool?  |
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Mich666 said: (Tohsaka's part was good but shouldn't she carry Shinji away from fire on her back in the end?). VN spoiler |
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Saburo-kun said: richard360 said: Lool "Defeat the me that is yourself" I'm sure Kamina would soil himself if he heard this xD lol xD Kind of confused about that flashback, sorry if it was obvious (maybe it was the way it was shown?). Still kind of unclear about what Shirou thinks, but it's as clear as ever that he believes in himself (not Archer) and could avoid it or something. I think they wanted to make you think that Shirou was about to say something like "I shouldn't have even been saved" when they initially showed the scene with Kiritsugu. It was a way to create a bit of a contrast with his final realization: "He looked so happy when he saved me, it was almost like he was the one who was being saved, I want to feel the same way" It went by too fast, though. lol wasn't expecting Kirei to go down so easily (flashback to F/Z), but it is Lancer. . not sure how the command spell didn't work but w/a lol cool episode. In the VN you can see that Lancer has an ability that lets him fight for a while after he's been mortally wounded. Of course, since this anime is fanservice for VN fans, they don't bother with irrelevant details like foreshadowing... |
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macamiki said: Archer:"Shirou,you are wrong and i have facts to prove it" Shirou:"FUCK YOU" pretty much every archer vs shirou moment Just because you are correct doesn't mean you're right. lol Ok seriously, just because Archer is correct about how things went down, doesn't mean archer is making the right choice. Or something like that. |
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KamiCity said: Just because you are correct doesn't mean you're right. lol Ok seriously, just because Archer is correct about how things went down, doesn't mean archer is making the right choice. Or something like that. maybe future shirou can hug the ISIS dudes and be like "there there no need to bomb people" and then they cri and apologize and everyone can be happy and saved or something ? if madoka got it right then so can shirou |
| I KamiCity said: macamiki said: Archer:"Shirou,you are wrong and i have facts to prove it" Shirou:"FUCK YOU" pretty much every archer vs shirou moment Just because you are correct doesn't mean you're right. lol Ok seriously, just because Archer is correct about how things went down, doesn't mean archer is making the right choice. Or something like that. i didnt understand this one. Doesn't correct and right implies the same thing? |
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| hahaha sure Lancer didn't kill Shinji cause it would be a quick and inappropriate end for Gil xD |
| RIP Lancer.........and Kirei, I guess lol. God I hate Shinji so much, I wish Lancer killed him. I understand why the flashbacks were included, but I think the episode would have been fine without them. Whatever though, it's not like the producers at Ufo are gonna care about our opinions. And I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thought Archer using UBW was totally pointless. He didn't even do anything with it haha, I feel like it was included to show off this anime's budget lol. Well, lets see how Shirou's power-up helps him out next week |
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| I dont know why so much complain about the "Just because you are correct doesnt mean you´re right" Is pretty easy to understand in-context, but then again, even Deen explained the context of "People die when they are killed" perfectly well back then (Even them) and people still took it out of context to make fun of it, and it looks like i will see the same again. |
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Vindstot said: > "Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right." Reminded me of "People die if they're killed." Shirou's dialogues are simply fabulous. when you try to sleep but instead you remember embarrassing stuff you said/did no wonder archer wants to kill himself |
sabesaini said: I KamiCity said: Just because you are correct doesn't mean you're right. lol Ok seriously, just because Archer is correct about how things went down, doesn't mean archer is making the right choice. Or something like that. i didnt understand this one. Doesn't correct and right implies the same thing? Correct in the normal sense of the term. Right in the moral sense. |
Vellamo said: hahaha sure Lancer didn't kill Shinji cause it would be a quick and inappropriate end for Gil xD How did Gil survive when he didn't have a master, then? Maybe he doesn't really need Shinji as a mana source. |
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VarunaBles said: sabesaini said: Yea,kirei's role was not big in ubw i guess i have read the vn but i heard that lancer posses something like 'battle continuation' ability that allowed him to kill kotomine You are correct. It is Battle Continuation rank A. The description is "It allows for battle even on the verge of death, and allows users to stay alive until they receive a clearly fatal blow". I understood now how lancer was able to move even after killing himself.At first i thought it was because of sheer will like "will of power" |
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sabesaini said: I understood now how lancer was able to move even after killing himself.At first i thought it was because of sheer will like "will of power" It is also a tribute to Cu Chulainn's actual legend. In it, he basically faces an army despite getting pierced in the chest(?) with a "magical spear". He also ties himself to a standing stone, thereby dying while on his feet. |
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macamiki said: maybe future shirou can hug the ISIS dudes and be like "there there no need to bomb people" and then they cri and apologize and everyone can be happy and saved or something ? if madoka got it right then so can shirou sabesaini said: i didnt understand this one. Doesn't correct and right implies the same thing? Lackluster said: Assume you're given two buttons, say A and B, of which you are to press one, and you know that the A button will cause the death of a thousand of people, while the B one will result in a single death. The correct choice results in one death - that's the right answer, the most proper one, the correct one. But is it really right given the circumstances, morality, and so forth? Just because Archer is correct, and from a neutral position he most certainly is, does not entail him being right. Or perhaps, present-time Shirou does not deem it right. Correct is definite, right is subjective. |
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Ketuekigami said: macamiki said: maybe future shirou can hug the ISIS dudes and be like "there there no need to bomb people" and then they cri and apologize and everyone can be happy and saved or something ? if madoka got it right then so can shirou sabesaini said: i didnt understand this one. Doesn't correct and right implies the same thing? Lackluster said: Assume you're given two buttons, say A and B, of which you are to press one, and you know that the A button will cause the death of a thousand of people, while the B one will result in a single death. The correct choice results in one death - that's the right answer, the most proper one, the correct one. But is it really right given the circumstances, morality, and so forth? Just because Archer is correct, and from a neutral position he most certainly is, does not entail him being right. Or perhaps, present-time Shirou does not deem it right. Correct is definite, right is subjective. so basically archer is being like kiritsugu.Just because it is correct doesn't mean that you have to do it. |
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Lollo36 said: Vellamo said: hahaha sure Lancer didn't kill Shinji cause it would be a quick and inappropriate end for Gil xD How did Gil survive when he didn't have a master, then? Maybe he doesn't really need Shinji as a mana source. Maybe he fed on Kirei? I'm not sure. But I don't see a reason as to why Lancer would let Shinji escape. |
Vellamo said: He didn't want to dirty his lance with that trash!Lollo36 said: How did Gil survive when he didn't have a master, then? Maybe he doesn't really need Shinji as a mana source. Maybe he fed on Kirei? I'm not sure. But I don't see a reason as to why Lancer would let Shinji escape. But Lancer is really a good guy, he's not gonna kill people just cuz. |
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Vellamo said: Lollo36 said: How did Gil survive when he didn't have a master, then? Maybe he doesn't really need Shinji as a mana source. Maybe he fed on Kirei? I'm not sure. But I don't see a reason as to why Lancer would let Shinji escape. Gil also has independent action, like Archer. He can go masterless for a few days no problem. As for letting Shinji escape... there was no need to kill him really. He's irrelevant. He's obviously not Gil's master; if he was, he would have used a command seal to summon him there. |
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Ketuekigami said: Vellamo said: He didn't want to dirty his lance with that trash!Maybe he fed on Kirei? I'm not sure. But I don't see a reason as to why Lancer would let Shinji escape. But Lancer is really a good guy, he's not gonna kill people just cuz. It's not only about killing a wicked teenager though. He keeps Gilgamesh, and killing him could be a good relief for Rin's gang which Lancer was allied with. But come to think of it; Gil obviously doesn't need Shinji as he didn't bother showing up. |
fst said: Vellamo said: Maybe he fed on Kirei? I'm not sure. But I don't see a reason as to why Lancer would let Shinji escape. Gil also has independent action, like Archer. He can go masterless for a few days no problem. As for letting Shinji escape... there was no need to kill him really. He's irrelevant. He's obviously not Gil's master; if he was, he would have used a command seal to summon him there. Archer didn't ming going for a few days as nothing binds him to the world except killing Shirou. But Gilgamesh has to endure much longer than that, a few days would be meaningless considering he didn't bother protecting him. He might not need Shinji and can survive forever, maybe. |
Grey-Zone said: WTF ANIPLEX?! They actually translated "karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru" as "Steel is my body" (due to this mistranslation you will not understand the meaning of it as an AO unless you remember the full chant from EP10)... I am speechless. While it makes sense in context, it's not what he actually says... and what Archer said early on sounded very weird too after Saber noted "he is out of mana", no actually Saber is probably supposed to say something differently, like "his mana is dissapating" or something along those lines, as otherwise it makes not much sense. The translation is correct. "karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru" is literally "my body is made of swords/steel is my body". |
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Vellamo said: I think Gil was never tied by a pact to Shinji, he was just with him. And Lancer would have know that. So killing Shinji would do nothing after already killing Kirie. And Lancer wouldnt kill someone just because 'maybe it will help someone else in the long run.' Shinji was being a prick so Lancer just wanted to scare him away.Ketuekigami said: He didn't want to dirty his lance with that trash! But Lancer is really a good guy, he's not gonna kill people just cuz. It's not only about killing a wicked teenager though. He keeps Gilgamesh, and killing him could be a good relief for Rin's gang which Lancer was allied with. But come to think of it; Gil obviously doesn't need Shinji as he didn't bother showing up. |
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Technoswine said: "My body is made of swords" refers to "I am the bone of my sword" though, so it's incorrect and Aniplex already fixed it.Grey-Zone said: WTF ANIPLEX?! They actually translated "karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru" as "Steel is my body" (due to this mistranslation you will not understand the meaning of it as an AO unless you remember the full chant from EP10)... I am speechless. While it makes sense in context, it's not what he actually says... and what Archer said early on sounded very weird too after Saber noted "he is out of mana", no actually Saber is probably supposed to say something differently, like "his mana is dissapating" or something along those lines, as otherwise it makes not much sense. The translation is correct. "karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru" is literally "my body is made of swords/steel is my body". |
Vellamo said: Lollo36 said: How did Gil survive when he didn't have a master, then? Maybe he doesn't really need Shinji as a mana source. Maybe he fed on Kirei? I'm not sure. But I don't see a reason as to why Lancer would let Shinji escape. |
| top kek people for weeks complaining that shirou's healing wasnt explained shirou's healing gets explained and another set complaining that it wasnt foreshadowed and is deus ex machina.. |
| I started to have low expectation and enjoying the show as it is. Actually, even as pessimistic as I am, I can say this episode is the best looking up-to-date (minus a few frame when Shirou and Archer are drawn like crap). Atmosphere, helplessness, loud music; this episode takes it all. Now if they didn't ruin it by Archer's shitty-looking past instead, this episode would've been perfection. Goddamn. And dat Aimer INS & Avalon combo just makes me insta-feel despite all the annoying still frames. Hope it would be polished in BD. |
ProphecyPriest said: I am curious. Did you make a new account just so you can have a priest ID?I started to have low expectation and enjoying the show as it is. Actually, even as pessimistic as I am, I can say this episode is the best looking up-to-date (minus a few frame when Shirou and Archer are drawn like crap). Atmosphere, helplessness, loud music; this episode takes it all. Now if they didn't ruin it by Archer's shitty-looking past instead, this episode would've been perfection. Goddamn. And dat Aimer INS & Avalon combo just makes me insta-feel despite all the annoying still frames. Hope it would be polished in BD. |
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