Aldnoah.Zero 2nd Season Episode 10 Discussion

casiopao said:


That is probably the most correct reason even if it is not logical for both Inaho character or the setting of Aldnoah Zero lol.

MrNTR said:
There are so many things I don't get and things move forward with so little development and details that I don't even care anymore. Like, what the hell is the point of trying to assassinate the princess? She is not a military leader and it would do nothing to the enemies military might. If anything, it would just give them more reason to fight. Also, how in the fucking hell did Slaine missed Inaho? He's suppose to be some kinda of super genius, capable of hitting an enemy mech from across the world, but he can't hit a stationary target from that range. If Inaho had sensed it and moved out of the way in time then okay, but he was just standing there and Slaine freaking missed....

Oh well, still better than 90% of all other anime and 99% of all ainme currently on.

At least I guess its somewhat interesting that when they first met, Slaine was the one who told Inaho that he wouldn't forgive anyone who seek to exploit the princess but now their role in the conversation are reversed. It is also interesting that Inaho responded with: "I knew you were the enemy," as if he knew from the moment they met that Slaine would eventually go against the wishes of his precious princess.

And lastly, I knew Inaho was robot. A lot of things would make a whole lot more sense if he were to be a robot all along.

Darklight0303 said:


Go back to that scene and watch it again. Look at what draws Slaine's attention to the princess. He hears her call INaho's name. Then she talks to Inaho saying how the operation was a success and that they should escape now. This is proof that Inaho is an ally of the princess.

What does Slaine do, he demands to Inaho to not touch the princess.

WIth no fucking right given that Slaine is the reason the Princess got shot in the first place. Inaho had every right to point a gun at Slaine in that situation seeing as the retard saved her shooter. Sazbaum even said it. "you saved me Slaine. Well done" Inaho heard that.

CookingPriest said:
Eitherway, Aseylum caring more for Inaho than Slaine confirmed.

MrNTR said:
Why the hell are you people on page 1 commenting so critically when there was no sub at the time and you don't even know what the fuck was going on? I swear, the idiocy of people knows no bounds.



You're an idiot. Slainefags have their share of idiots too but Inafags takes the cake by far, even if they do have more material to be idiotic about. Its like you people just see what you want to see or you just can't seem to comprehend the rather simple basics of what's going on. I actually like Inaho more but Inafags are Inafags.



That was obvious a long time ago buddy, all the signs were there. I would say it was obvious since episode 1 but I would just be basing that on traditional trends. Traditional trends are very powerful bases, however.

Curious, is this shipping war the main fuel behind you Inafags? If so, you could had just asked me and I could had told you that Inaho was gonna win since episode 1 and we could had avoided all this idiocy.

bastek66 said:
Everyone complained that Inaho is a robot, now he's Inahobot.

Darklight0303 said:

That's because it was HARKLIGHT who did the calculations for that trap not Slaine

swn32 said:

Calculating the trajectory of unguided projecticles with that level of accuracy seems implausible. I was under the assumption that Tharsis and space magic was responsible for it. Harklight's calculations might've been a rough estimate at best.

ANGRY2011 said:


I'm pretty sure Slaine says it wasn't the Tharsis, leaving only the calculations left. Which definitely is implausible.

Chalk it up to the magic of convenience we like to call "writing."

casiopao said:


Well, Slaine math and physics score maybe is not so good which is why he can't defeat the logic King Inaho there even when he had the future seeing machine.T_T

swn32 said:
Slaine doesn't even know why the sky is blue.

deadoptimist said:


Come on, people, how many times must you bring this up? While he didn't mention the exact effect, technically he was correct:the sky is blue because of the atmosphere - its density and composition, which means also the breathable oxygen.

Frankly, I think that the issue is overblown. And that's not because of my preference for Slaine's plotline, that's because there really is no contradiction. The diffusion of light happens by the molecules of the air. The sky on Mars is of different color, cause the atmosphere is much thinner and of different composition.

MetaKite said:
A better question would be did these people themselves even know why the sky is blue if not for an anime character (Inaho) to teach it to them? My guess is NO and this is just grasping as straws to hate on Slaine. Most of the kids on here in general don't know the first thing about branches of government, geography or evolution but they want to hold it against Slaine for not knowing the technical reasons of why the sky is blue as just another argument to latch onto their hate of a fictional character. It's lunacy. More so than Slaine himself.

MetaKite said:
A better question would be did these people themselves even know why the sky is blue if not for an anime character (Inaho) to teach it to them? My guess is NO and this is just grasping as straws to hate on Slaine. Most of the kids on here in general don't know the first thing about branches of government, geography or evolution but they want to hold it against Slaine for not knowing the technical reasons of why the sky is blue as just another argument to latch onto their hate of a fictional character. It's lunacy. More so than Slaine himself.

deadoptimist said:
technically he was correct

MetaKite said:
A better question would be did these people themselves even know why the sky is blue if not for an anime character (Inaho) to teach it to them? My guess is NO and this is just grasping as straws to hate on Slaine. Most of the kids on here in general don't know the first thing about branches of government, geography or evolution but they want to hold it against Slaine for not knowing the technical reasons of why the sky is blue as just another argument to latch onto their hate of a fictional character. It's lunacy. More so than Slaine himself.

thedarkplayer said:
Dear God, just when you think that the show can not become worse further.
This is by far the worst anime I ever seen

swn32 said:

No he wasn't. That's the point.

deadoptimist said:


Then specify. I offered my reasoning. The effect gives the result we all see on Earth, because of the thickness of it's atmosphere and the elements in it (or, more precisely lack of the Martian dust and the Venusian gases). Which directly relates to the abundance of breathable air and the presense of the protective coating - i.e. good conditions for life. So the answer is correct, though not very specific.
I've checked a few things, while I was thinking about joining this discussion, and it turns out that the qualities of human eye also play an important role. Inaho has not mentioned it as well as Mie scattering - is he incorrect too? How deep must one go into physics while having a chit-chat with a girl to be correct? There're many things that can be mentioned.

swn32 said:
He said it was due to refraction. He was incorrect. Did you even watch the show?

blackbishop said:

The first time I heard an explanation about why the sky is blue in anime was on an episode from Detective Conan where Kaito Kid tried to steal a big jewel called Blue Wonder; Kid said the same thing Slaine said to Conan, and Conan remarked him than it was a naive answer and explained why was wrong(saying more or less the same stuff Inaho told to Asseylum) to which Kid replied that he seems to not have dreams, implying that Slaine's definition is more a romantic/abstract way of thinking rather than a scientific/right answer.

deadoptimist said:

Oh, I so did. But I referred to the scene in ep. 6, where Asseylum says that "Earth has water and air in such abundance, that they refract light to make the sky and the sea appear blue", where she focuses on abundance.
Do you plan to insists that it is so important to distinguish between the scattering and the refraction in a regular non-scientific conversation? Nobody besides physics geeks would mind. The processes seem connected as well.

Gee, while I was looking for the exact scene I found out that TVtropes support me:
I quote:
"In the first episode, Slaine tells Princess Asseylum that the sky is blue because of light refracting off the atmosphere (a rather simplistic, if correct, explanation). In Episode 6, Inaho gives us the more detailed, scientific explanation that it is due to Rayleigh scattering. She is quite surprised/embarrassed believing that Slaine was wrong, when in fact he was just LESS right."

swn32 said:
Really? Are you so obsessed with winning an argument that you still argue when all the evidence is against you. Now you even appeal to authority (implying tvtropes is an authority in physics, lol). That's not even grasping at straws. It's just faulty argumentation. It's time you stop making a fool of yourself and just concede and talk about something else.

Slaine wasn't less right, he was completely incorrect with the refraction explanation. If he simply mentioned that the sky was blue because of the atmosphere then he would be less right. As it stands he was incorrect, so for the last time, stop denying facts.

deadoptimist said:

But again you don't provide any real reasoning. I stand by my claim, that the difference between the refraction and scattering is normally disregarded by people. At least for me the exact technical details of how the waves change direction wouldn't be relevant in the usual circumstances. The fact that they change it because of the atmosphere is enough.

ANGRY2011 said:


I'm pretty sure Slaine says it wasn't the Tharsis, leaving only the calculations left. Which definitely is implausible.

Chalk it up to the magic of convenience we like to call "writing."

Tatsuya said:


It's actually not implausible, though one could argue it's improbable.
Satellites and space exploration tools both use a similar system to what slaine used for the bullets to hit saazbaum's mech, again it is doable, it's how fast it was planned for however, that makes it improbable.

swn32 said:

It is high school knowledge that sky is blue because of scattering of light by air molecules. The scaterring maybe caused by refraction as well as diffraction etc, but not knowing about the scattering really shows that slaine mustve skipped high school.

deadoptimist said:

Well, I honestly don't mind the difference in terms. Imprecision is so very normal for a conversational speech. So I really can't see why the choice of words being inaccurate is such a big issue, since what he said is mostly relevant.

deadoptimist said:

Btw he must have. I don't remember his exact age when he falls in the castle, but it must be about ten. They would hardly care too much about his education afterwards. He must've been something of a princess' pet and pets are not sent to universities (and what schooling facilities do they even have?). And his position of a page doesn't seem to come with any studying.

And if you read the recently translated character profiles, it's written there that he is called "tutor" for the duration of the princess' voyage. I must be more in the sense of "keeping company and telling about his early memories on Earth". Though personally I think that after leaving it of such a young age he must emember few things.

swn32 said:
But that level of imprecision really doesn't explain anything.

swn32 said:
I guess he couldve read some books here and there like mazuurek.

swn32 said:

I was talking about the accuracy involved. He hit a cataphract which is an incredibly small target. It's highly implausible for Harklight to pull that off without resorting to some space magic. Also remember the projectiles were completely unguided, which means there is no way to do any form of error correction, which rockets and stuff heavily rely on.

Tatsuya said:

That said i agree it's utterly stupid and illogical, but it is tecnically possible, though even 20 nasa engineers would have trouble doing this, so yeah.

j0x said:
back in season 1 it was Inaho that says he is gonna use Asseylum but now Slaine is the one saying he is gonna use Asseylum to full fill his goals, what switch of character from those 2

Tatsuya said:
That's why i said it should have hit something else, it was supposed to be a spray over a fairly large area which in theory, should have hit any number of meteors and moon rocks in the area it was circling.

That said i agree it's utterly stupid and illogical, but it is tecnically possible, though even 20 nasa engineers would have trouble doing this, so yeah.

Sparteh said:
Words can't describe how idiotic Inaho turning into terminator was. Seriously I still don't get it why I am watching it in the first place. I hate mecha anime to begin with. We have yandere Slaine, terminator Inaho... What's next? Princess will use her transformation power to turn into pokemon?

diegofiuzab said:

Behold: Magic Girl Asseylum with tentacle monsters.

swn32 said:

Thing is Inaho never did exploit her though. The princess and Inaho did share a common interest. Slaine is the one who is actually doing the exploiting. The role reversal is a misrepresentation.

skudoops said:


Slaine hasn't exploited princess Ass either, only the other princess. Then again, using her image can be loosely seen as exploitation, but in terms of befriending her for his own gain, slaine hasn't done that to princess Ass.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
This show really lacks a strong central character that can sort of play the voice of reason. It's like everyone in this universe has kind of been lobotomized in the way, almost nobody in a position to really do anything feels at all like a rational human being. If I had to think of anyone who says the things most frequently that seem to be things a somewhat rational human being might say in the situation they are in the only name that really comes to mind is Yuki and that's really about it. It's like we're at the end of another Aniplex mecha series and everyone in the universe is a huge asshole with nobody to really root for or be particularly concerned as to their final fate. Like does Slaine die? Does Inaho die? Does the princess....again? I don't really care, I'd sooner leave it to their apparently extremely bitterly divided fanbases (though I have to admit I've been puzzled about the extremely strong feelings both I guess camps seem to have as neither are particularly compelling to me) to sort out. Personally I wouldn't particularly mind a double KO that takes both ridiculous male leads out.

They really botched the idea of the whole rivalry between the two characters in any case. Whereas Amuro and Char were pretty compelling as an example it's the utter failure of these two to be developed naturally and into characters whose shoes you can truly place yourself in (I don't mean self insert, I mean relate to as human beings) and then try to par down and focus the entire conflict pretty much around their drawn out duel that sunk this show for me more than anything in the long run whereas everything else about it is just kind of okay or fairly standard.

diegofiuzab said:

Behold: Magic Girl Asseylum with tentacle monsters.

swn32 said:

But that level of imprecision really doesn't explain anything. You will come out no wiser. The phenomenon of refraction and scattering are quite different. What I'm basically saying is, slaine could've just left it at the sky is blue due to the atmosphere. The fact that he went the extra mile to give an imprecise detail is the problem.


I guess he couldve read some books here and there like mazuurek.

Darklight0303 said:


Using her public image and in the process destroying it for her does count as exploiting her. In fact it's even worse since she was in no state to say no to begin with.

Kaioshin_Sama said:

I don't really care, I'd sooner leave it to their apparently extremely bitterly divided fanbases (though I have to admit I've been puzzled about the extremely strong feelings both I guess camps seem to have as neither are particularly compelling to me) to sort out. Personally I wouldn't particularly mind a double KO that takes both ridiculous male leads out.

skudoops said:


This pretty much, but it seems the inaho camp is much more rabid than the slaine camp lately. Both characters are pretty terrible, slaine is only less terrible because he's more believable. Also yeah, I called the double KO in a couple threads, and I hope it extends to a quad KO tbh. Take the two princess, slaine and inaho out.. they are all just awful. More than likely it will be a triple KO though, one princess will stay alive and inaho as well as slaine will die. At least I hope that's how it goes.