Fantasee said: But it just seems to me like most people on MAL hate on America because it's the "cool" thing to do, and not because they actually have legitimate reasons for disliking. Which I find amusing. It's been that way here for a long time. Maybe an older member can point out at time when MaL hasn't been in bash America mode. I use to find it amusing. Now it's old and annoying. |
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| The USA aren't angels at all. But seriously, who in their right mind would want North Korea to win in a battle between the two? The things the CIA did are pleasant compared to what North Korea is doing to its own citizens. Anyway, its just business as usual. Nothing to get excited over. North Korea pulls this almost every week or month lately. |
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| I would compair the current World events and the stupdity of the media and nationalist designs to the same situation that happend 100 years ago. All we need now is for some fool to get shot by another fool in an area both claim. Not meaning just North Korea, the lines are pretty much drawn now, and with the Russians dragging the Europeans in, the NATO cheerleaders should exepct the loyality of a good number of its member states. |
Elvellonwen said: Watching american getting defeated by Korea would be funny to watch. Watching them inevitably drop nukes because they are losing will be sad to watch. I laughed. They can't even launch rockets. |
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| North Korea is a threat to America like a poodle is a threat to a polar bear. Even an Axis powers situation with Russia, China, and NK teaming up would be laughable. |
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StopDropAndBowl said: I can't tell if you're trolling or that over zealously patriotic. Russia and China partnering up to actively work against the west in the open would be a huge issue. As for the DPRK, they are not a direct threat to the US, no. However, what they are is an unstable bomb in the basement of a building next to the radiator. With care it can be disarmed and save the building. One wrong handling of the situation and we could see a lot of pain topple down on us. China has little love for the DPRK at this point, but they like having a buffer between themselves and a Pro-Western country. I've read China even has a military stabilisation plan on standby should the government of the DPRK collapse on itself.North Korea is a threat to America like a poodle is a threat to a polar bear. Even an Axis powers situation with Russia, China, and NK teaming up would be laughable. |
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| I love how everyone makes fun of NK and the Kim dynasty and fail to realize that no one irrelevant has a superpower's army stationed on their doorstep. |
Sourire said: Nah, the world wouldn't give a crap.MechaKiryu said: I don't know where you live, but if anything happens to the US, pretty much everyone gets involved, so no you don't hope for a war between the US and NK.I hope. |
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MechaKiryu said: Sourire said: Nah, the world wouldn't give a crap.I don't know where you live, but if anything happens to the US, pretty much everyone gets involved, so no you don't hope for a war between the US and NK. Is this naivety, stupidity, or pride? |
NebulaC3I said: Maybe all three.MechaKiryu said: Nah, the world wouldn't give a crap. Is this naivety, stupidity, or pride? |
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| How can people support North Korea? Have you guys ever spent a single second doing some research about it? They are like the nazi Germany where everyone is Jewish. |
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lupadim said: How can people support North Korea? Have you guys ever spent a single second doing some research about it? They are like the nazi Germany where everyone is Jewish. Isn't that Israel? |
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lupadim said: How can people support North Korea? Have you guys ever spent a single second doing some research about it? They are like the nazi Germany where everyone is Jewish. Yeah NK is a joke and least Kim Jung Il could be taken a little seriously (even though he was also a dimwit), supporting them is stupid. |
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MechaKiryu said: my countries economy wouldSourire said: Nah, the world wouldn't give a crap.I don't know where you live, but if anything happens to the US, pretty much everyone gets involved, so no you don't hope for a war between the US and NK. |
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Emnay said: KMechaKiryu said: my countries economy wouldNah, the world wouldn't give a crap. |
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| Obama and the gnome should play a good old round of rock, paper, scissors. The loser has to shut up. But please no innocent victims and especially no nuke. I guess this won't ever happen since all of them are pretty dumb. Poor NK people. |
Wayponpon said: China would never do that because trading partners. Also russia is poor as shit right now do to AMERICA flooding the oil market.StopDropAndBowl said: I can't tell if you're trolling or that over zealously patriotic. Russia and China partnering up to actively work against the west in the open would be a huge issue. As for the DPRK, they are not a direct threat to the US, no. However, what they are is an unstable bomb in the basement of a building next to the radiator. With care it can be disarmed and save the building. One wrong handling of the situation and we could see a lot of pain topple down on us. China has little love for the DPRK at this point, but they like having a buffer between themselves and a Pro-Western country. I've read China even has a military stabilisation plan on standby should the government of the DPRK collapse on itself.North Korea is a threat to America like a poodle is a threat to a polar bear. Even an Axis powers situation with Russia, China, and NK teaming up would be laughable. |
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| i think in a 1 on 1 fight the bold kim would throw obama around like a dead puppy |
| So fatass is getting a little cocky after a successful threat to Sony huh? |
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sixyears said: korea wouldnt stand a chance in a war without nukes anyway.Watching american getting defeated by Korea would be funny to watch. Watching them inevitably drop nukes because they are losing will be sad to watch. |
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| North Korea stands no chance, not even versus South Korea with nobody else interfering. If he launches a nuke it would be the worst decision he has ever made. The real threat of North Korea is in it's closest allies. IF North Korea had Russia and China on their side in the midst of a world conflict, it would be a very big deal. This though, will never ever happen. I would rather deal with ISIS before even worrying about North Korea. |
MechaKiryu said: Sourire said: Nah, the world wouldn't give a crap.I don't know where you live, but if anything happens to the US, pretty much everyone gets involved, so no you don't hope for a war between the US and NK. You've got to kidding me. If you mean the whole world would not care because USA would stomp North Korea easily by themselves, then I see it. Many countries depend on America especially NATO countries. Maybe i'm a tad biased because I'm Canadian and we do need America for our economy, but i'm pretty sure this is common for many first-world countries. |
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Wayponpon said: StopDropAndBowl said: I can't tell if you're trolling or that over zealously patriotic. Russia and China partnering up to actively work against the west in the open would be a huge issue. North Korea is a threat to America like a poodle is a threat to a polar bear. Even an Axis powers situation with Russia, China, and NK teaming up would be laughable. Define "huge issue". Economically? Yeah, it would be bad (though most of the bad would come down on them. American economy would take a hit due to a sudden lack of cheap labor/manufacturing; Chinese economy would tank because their biggest buyer is no longer buying. The seller always fares worse than the buyer.) Militarily? It would be a joke. I don't think most people quite understand how much more powerful the American military is than the rest of the world. Take nukes out of the equation and we have more tanks, helicopters, air-craft, and war-ships than the rest of the world, combined. Put nukes back into the equation and we still have the most advanced delivery systems, the most advanced defense systems. Some call it MAD, but the sad fact is even if 90% of the population of the world died, when the dust settled, it would still be America on top. There's a good reason why neither China nor Russia, both eager to establish themselves as the other superpower, have been willing to push too hard against America. A non-nuclear war would result in their annihilation just as much as a nuclear one would. The closest they could hope for is to engage in proxy-war against us (funding terrorists/third-party states), and then to escalate enough to score some minor victories, but not enough for the American public to support declaring war. It's still a risky proposition though because if they push too hard and America decides to respond, they will lose. The US is the only true "global" military, with over 500 bases/outposts across the globe, and with the capability to mount a large-scale invasion on any continent. Russia and China both are regional powers, with their main defense being their nukes and the size of their countries. TBH, the entire world could right now declare war on the US, and they would, at best, only manage a stalemate. Barring that fantasy scenario, Russia and China vs. NATO? lol. GG no re. |
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| Of course North Korea's war threats are empty. That's not their purpose. The regime isn't composed of the maniacal buffoons the media keeps portraying. I think the most important thing people need to do is stop making this about the United States. It is involved, but it certainly shouldn't be the center of attention. At this point in time, North Korea doesn't pose a significant threat to the rest of the world, but what its government is doing to its people is unforgivable. That's what really should be getting addressed. |
JakeStan said: North Korea stands no chance, not even versus South Korea with nobody else interfering. If he launches a nuke it would be the worst decision he has ever made. The real threat of North Korea is in it's closest allies. IF North Korea had Russia and China on their side in the midst of a world conflict, it would be a very big deal. This though, will never ever happen. I would rather deal with ISIS before even worrying about North Korea. I agree, currently I liken North Korea to a porcupine backed into a corner. If it ever comes to war with Korea I think that china would not become their Allies. Unfortunately I can not say with complete certainly that the Chinese government would chooses to allie themselves the North Korean Government if war were to break out. |
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StopDropAndBowl said: Wayponpon said: I can't tell if you're trolling or that over zealously patriotic. Russia and China partnering up to actively work against the west in the open would be a huge issue. Define "huge issue". Economically? Yeah, it would be bad (though most of the bad would come down on them. American economy would take a hit due to a sudden lack of cheap labor/manufacturing; Chinese economy would tank because their biggest buyer is no longer buying. The seller always fares worse than the buyer.) Militarily? It would be a joke. I don't think most people quite understand how much more powerful the American military is than the rest of the world. Take nukes out of the equation and we have more tanks, helicopters, air-craft, and war-ships than the rest of the world, combined. Put nukes back into the equation and we still have the most advanced delivery systems, the most advanced defense systems. Some call it MAD, but the sad fact is even if 90% of the population of the world died, when the dust settled, it would still be America on top. There's a good reason why neither China nor Russia, both eager to establish themselves as the other superpower, have been willing to push too hard against America. A non-nuclear war would result in their annihilation just as much as a nuclear one would. The closest they could hope for is to engage in proxy-war against us (funding terrorists/third-party states), and then to escalate enough to score some minor victories, but not enough for the American public to support declaring war. It's still a risky proposition though because if they push too hard and America decides to respond, they will lose. The US is the only true "global" military, with over 500 bases/outposts across the globe, and with the capability to mount a large-scale invasion on any continent. Russia and China both are regional powers, with their main defense being their nukes and the size of their countries. TBH, the entire world could right now declare war on the US, and they would, at best, only manage a stalemate. Barring that fantasy scenario, Russia and China vs. NATO? lol. GG no re. Not sure where you are getting your information from but that is inaccurate. Russia has more tanks/ nukes than America, North Korea has more submarines and China has more man power. But I do agree with you saying that America is stronger than the rest of the world mainly due to the fact it is spending more than the rest of the world combined in military. But you need to realise that other countries have potential to be strong as or even stronger than the current state of America. An example in history is Japan in WW2, Japan spent years building a navy strong enough to fight the American navy. What Japan didn't account for was the fact that America at the time was in a state of peace and within 2 years America poured more money in their military expenditure and their navy became multiple times stronger. As of right now super powers such as Russia, China and believe it or not but India (which is now the 4th strongest military power in the world) are only spending a fraction of their money on military (China spends only about 2.1% of their GNP). During war time if these super powers were to spend say 20-30% of their GNP they would be immeasurably stronger. |
MechaKiryu said: LmaoI hope America gets their asses kicked. Maybe they'll learn not to be assholes to the rest of the world. Even getting their asses kicked wont increase their iq |
AnimeHonor said: It won't give them a reality check?MechaKiryu said: LmaoI hope America gets their asses kicked. Maybe they'll learn not to be assholes to the rest of the world. Even getting their asses kicked wont increase their iq |
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AnimeHonor said: MechaKiryu said: LmaoI hope America gets their asses kicked. Maybe they'll learn not to be assholes to the rest of the world. Even getting their asses kicked wont increase their iq Who needs high IQ when we weigh over 500 pounds? Body over mind.... |
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| inb4 warmongers who want all this to go down. Why can't people learn to live in peace, wtf is wrong with the world. Living in safety all these years have never caused you to value freedom, liberty, and life, huh? Have all these years of "boring" peace has caused so many people to take peace forgranted? What about us who put our lives down everyday to defend our land against a government determined to wipe us out as "terrorists?" Until you've tasted what it's like to live on without knowing if the next day a shell will land on you and die, or if you lose your family the next day... Or if the government is encroaching particularly close, and decides to shell you although there's clearly not a single "separatist" and we are all waving "government" flags in order to "pass" and fake our way? Or decides to fire upon innocent people protesting in the streets of a city the government had just "liberated?" Great, just great. |
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Jayex said: inb4 warmongers who want all this to go down. You're late m8. |
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MechaKiryu said: >Americans AnimeHonor said: It won't give them a reality check?Lmao Even getting their asses kicked wont increase their iq >Reality check Pick one, most of them have their heads so far up their own ass, they'll believe anything the government tells them. |
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Cabron said: MechaKiryu said: >Americans It won't give them a reality check? >Reality check Pick one, most of them have their heads so far up their own ass, they'll believe anything the government tells them. |
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Cabron said: I thought they hated the government.MechaKiryu said: >Americans It won't give them a reality check? >Reality check Pick one, most of them have their heads so far up their own ass, they'll believe anything the government tells them. |
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MechaKiryu said: Not everyone.Cabron said: I thought they hated the government.>Americans >Reality check Pick one, most of them have their heads so far up their own ass, they'll believe anything the government tells them. |
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tobyy said: Not sure where you are getting your information from but that is inaccurate. Russia has more tanks/ nukes than America, North Korea has more submarines and China has more man power. Allow me to clarify. America has more of the tanks that matter, and more tanks that are serviceable/ready-to-roll. At one point, Russia had 53,000 tanks, but only a fraction (around 5,000 of them) were even capable of being deployed on a battlefield. Add in that the majority of Russian tanks are Soviet-era technology; and you have the Americans with a huge advantage: More modern tanks, Better modern tank systems, Highly superior crews/training The same goes for submarines with North Korea. The best submarines in the world are the Virginia class and the Seawolf class. Both American. But I do agree with you saying that America is stronger than the rest of the world mainly due to the fact it is spending more than the rest of the world combined in military. But you need to realise that other countries have potential to be strong as or even stronger than the current state of America. I agree with your argument in the sense that yes, there is the potential for some of these countries to become stronger than they are. However, there is no potential for them to become stronger than America now, much less stronger than America on equal footing. America, right now, spends about 4% of it's GDP on defense. Only slightly more than China or Russia. America doesn't spend so much more because we spend so much as a percentage, we spend so much more because we are so wealthy that even a small percentage is a massive number. More massive than a Russian or even Chinese economy could be capable of producing for an extended period. Russia's GDP is about 1/8th the size of America's, so they would have to spend roughly 30% of their GDP on military to even match our 4%. China is about 1/2 our size, so they'd have to put in about 8-10%. Let's say they ramp up all spending to long-term unsustainable levels though, and focus on matching and overcoming us in the short term. America could ramp up our spending by mere fractions and still stay ahead of them, and with MUCH more sustainability in the long-term. It wouldn't be good for our economy to run at 10-15%, but we could survive it for an extended period, and that would force Russia and China to ramp up even higher to even more unsustainable levels to try to simply match us. Eventually, they would be spending close to 50% and we could still be running below 20%. There's also the fact that they have to play catch-up. America has been spending inordinate amounts of money on military for a very long time, keeping ourselves on the forefront of military technology. In order to modernize their militaries to be equal to ours, they would have to make up for all that lost time, meaning they would have to spend even more money and man-power. There is also the fact that neither Russia, nor China, have been involved in any major, or even minor, wars lately. Their equipment, training, doctrine, and troops are all largely untested in combat. America has been involved in multiple wars recently, and our military is battle-hardened to a degree only matched by Israel. There is a huge question mark over Russia and China concerning the combat-effectiveness of their militaries. Certainly during war time, they could become much more formidable than they are now, but that goes both ways. America is already unparalleled in the military arena. How much more formidable could we become in a World War scenario? Anyway, it's kind of moot anyway because neither China, nor Russia, would ever risk an actual war with the US, because they would have absolutely no possible chance of winning. |
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StopDropAndBowl said: I agree with your argument in the sense that yes, there is the potential for some of these countries to become stronger than they are. However, there is no potential for them to become stronger than America now, much less stronger than America on equal footing. America, right now, spends about 4% of it's GDP on defense. Only slightly more than China or Russia. America doesn't spend so much more because we spend so much as a percentage, we spend so much more because we are so wealthy that even a small percentage is a massive number. More massive than a Russian or even Chinese economy could be capable of producing for an extended period. Russia's GDP is about 1/8th the size of America's, so they would have to spend roughly 30% of their GDP on military to even match our 4%. China is about 1/2 our size, so they'd have to put in about 8-10%. Let's say they ramp up all spending to long-term unsustainable levels though, and focus on matching and overcoming us in the short term. America could ramp up our spending by mere fractions and still stay ahead of them, and with MUCH more sustainability in the long-term. It wouldn't be good for our economy to run at 10-15%, but we could survive it for an extended period, and that would force Russia and China to ramp up even higher to even more unsustainable levels to try to simply match us. Eventually, they would be spending close to 50% and we could still be running below 20%. There's also the fact that they have to play catch-up. America has been spending inordinate amounts of money on military for a very long time, keeping ourselves on the forefront of military technology. In order to modernize their militaries to be equal to ours, they would have to make up for all that lost time, meaning they would have to spend even more money and man-power. There is also the fact that neither Russia, nor China, have been involved in any major, or even minor, wars lately. Their equipment, training, doctrine, and troops are all largely untested in combat. America has been involved in multiple wars recently, and our military is battle-hardened to a degree only matched by Israel. There is a huge question mark over Russia and China concerning the combat-effectiveness of their militaries. Certainly during war time, they could become much more formidable than they are now, but that goes both ways. America is already unparalleled in the military arena. How much more formidable could we become in a World War scenario? Well said. But I believe there are many other factors involved when it comes to war. The thing with war is that it does not follow a textbook and sometimes something unprecedented happens. Especially with modern warfare where there are many other variables than just money or man power to consider. Some other things to consider are spies, technology, allies, support from citizens and natural resources. The thing with military expenditure is that it either goes in to man-power, renewal/ new technology/ equipment and "research". The thing with research is that we can not predict who will invent what. I mean Israel now claims to have created super heated laser beams. There are also chemical weapons now with technology constantly advancing wars have only become deadlier. Sure America has the most funds to replace their equipment which would give them an advantage in conventional warfare but that is only one aspect of warfare. Also the thing with Russia vs America you need to consider as I mentioned above is citizen support. The thing is Putin has a lot more support from people who have money compared to Obama you need to consider this when it comes to their economy and also their natural resources. The thing with humans is they are quick to shift the blame and with the way America is run today if something happened the citizens would be quick to be blame their government and there would be internal conflict. Yeah that's all i can think of for now xD. But what I'm trying to get across is though I agree America would win if this a textbook war where whoever has the most manpower/ equipment wins but that is not what modern warfare is. |
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Jayex said: inb4 warmongers who want all this to go down. Why can't people learn to live in peace, wtf is wrong with the world. Living in safety all these years have never caused you to value freedom, liberty, and life, huh? Have all these years of "boring" peace has caused so many people to take peace forgranted? What about us who put our lives down everyday to defend our land against a government determined to wipe us out as "terrorists?" Until you've tasted what it's like to live on without knowing if the next day a shell will land on you and die, or if you lose your family the next day... Or if the government is encroaching particularly close, and decides to shell you although there's clearly not a single "separatist" and we are all waving "government" flags in order to "pass" and fake our way? Or decides to fire upon innocent people protesting in the streets of a city the government had just "liberated?" Great, just great. But I think the reality is we will eventually overpopulate/ run out of resources and countries will compete for their own survival. An example is how China is having border disputes with India. |
| U.S citizens are fat land-whales, why drop a nuke when you can just drop one of their citizens, NK doesn't stand a chance |
Kimonos said: U.S citizens are fat land-whales, why drop a nuke when you can just drop one of their citizens, NK doesn't stand a chance Exactly! Why do you think we called our Nagasaki bomb the Fat Man? McDonalds was simply disguised as a weapons factory all along! |
| Fighting (and losing) To goat farmers doesn't make ones military great.. |
StopDropAndBowl said: tobyy said: tobyy's words here stopdropandbowl's words here Let us not forget, during WWII the Soviets were considered unprepared, had little to no airforce, and were facing the strongest military and technological power on the planet--Germany--in full force. With ancient weaponry and a will to defend the fatherland, the Soviets (not just the Russians) bore the brunt of the war. Historians agree that if the US had not entered the war, the USSR would still beat Nazi Germany, but at a higher cost of population. America's entry to the war prevented excessive bloodshed on the Soviets' part. The reason all this Cold War nonsense went down is simply because Americans hated Communism, and the Soviets were bitter towards the Americans for 1) entering the war so late 2) interfering with their plans 3) judging their country and ideals. |
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