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| I can see the reason behind its ranking now. Quite confusing at first, but it clears up. Nearly cried when Aozaki 'died'. Thank God KnK is starting to pull up; took my all to continue past the fourth. 9/10 |
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| I don't get how people can't love 1-4 maybe you will on re-watches. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
black1blade said: I don't get how people can't love 1-4 maybe you will on re-watches. I enjoyed them, #3 being my second favorite behind #5 so far. (about to watch #7 tonight.) #2 had crazy good ost, and the hype was rising in that movie. #1 just kinda left me unsure wtf was going on, but since im familiar with nasuverse the hype was real |
black1blade said: I don't get how people can't love 1-4 maybe you will on re-watches. For me, it was because of the confusing plot and the ever-shifting time lines. I was initially under the impression that it was episodic. |
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| The mystery in films 1-4 was the high point in the series for me on the first watch. I didn't know what was going on and I could speculate what the story was going to be about. To begin I thought it was going to be a ghost hunting story or something XD |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
black1blade said: The mystery in films 1-4 was the high point in the series for me on the first watch. I didn't know what was going on and I could speculate what the story was going to be about. To begin I thought it was going to be a ghost hunting story or something XD I honestly agree. If I really had thought it a waste of time, I wouldn't have continued. But I knew, and was tipped off, that the revelations will turn up soon, so I held on. It's fun to be thrown into a befuddlement, but 4 movies was pushing it a bit. I'm glad this one made up for the previous ones; KnK holds a high re-watch value. |
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black1blade said: The mystery in films 1-4 was the high point in the series for me on the first watch. I didn't know what was going on and I could speculate what the story was going to be about. To begin I thought it was going to be a ghost hunting story or something XD That was the intention. Kara no Kyoukai functioned under the same formatting and style of many paranormal "ghost-hunting" stories and it even uses a lot of known concepts in the genre like ESP. This is simply Nasu's (and to an extent, Ufotable's) contribution to the genre, with some added themes of moralistic existentialism and a romance story that acts as the driving force for the characters. ^_^ |
| Probably the best movie I have ever seen so far, Animation was perfect, Soundtrack fitted every scene, the new Characters that got introduced fitted in perfectly, Story was amazing, reminded me of both Perfect Blue and Baccano!. Can't really point out any moment that I disliked. There are still 2 movies left but I already know I'm gonna rewatch this series at some point. |
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| HOLY SHIT. I HAVE NEVER BEEN SOO MIND FUCKED IN AN ANIME EVER. My hands were on my temples through the whole damn movie, I was so confused but interested at the same time. I can't imagine watching this on drugs or something xD Fantastic movie that made me wonder, cringe, confused, mindfucked, and relieved at the same time. 10/10 |
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| I watched this a couple of years ago and I just re-watched it now. It's still the 2nd best movie after Murder Speculation (both 2 and 7). I have to agree with some people that 1,3 and 4 were pretty mediocre compared to these, but still awesome. Only reason I started watching these again is because I didn't know up till now that Future Gospel was released (I'm kind of in a long break from anime stuff at the moment), so might as well restart the whole series before watching it. |
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| I was so confused... but apparently everyone here is a genius and got it the first time. Damn. Guess I'm not a weeaboo. |
 I don't watch as much anime as before... |
| Didn't like this movie as much as the others. The method of story telling was cool but the story wasn't interesting at all. I thought there was too much going on for a single movie. The visuals were nice and the scene transitions paired with the overlapping narrative were a good addition to the 'paradox spiral' theme of the movie. |
| Much better than the first 4 movies. 2nd one was good, but not nearly on this level. |
| Quite disappointed really. While the art, animation and music are outstanding as ever, I didn't think this was quite the quantum leap over the other 4 movies that everyone keeps on harping about. And I missed the silences and quite tone of the first films. The antagonists kept on talking and talking making no sense whatsoever, just spiting out pretentious drivel while they fought. It was so distracting. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| yay, 2hr film :D although i loved it, it was wholeheartedly confusing. beginning: 10. fresh, new character, and more shiki! the running scene was beautifully done but shiki's fight was just too awesome. although she has had fights before, she hasn't gone all out like this. middle: 3/10. WHAT THE HECK WAS GOING ON. i tried as hard as i could to keep up but could only understand around 30%. and those doorknobs...every time someone would touch a doorknob/car handle the confusion would amp up even more. i DREADED when those hands would reach for them...D: end: 9. oh wow so skiki's friend was an excellent puppet all along? almost on the corny side but still believable. also the french dude reminds me of a crazy, sadistic version of dio from last exile. seriously SCREW THE VILLAIN. he's THE cruelest i have ever seen, to kill all those people like that. tomoe...you poor soul. his twist came as a shock, but...you're not a fake. as long as you have the love, memories and likeness of tomoe, it doesn't matter that your other body is gone. it was the hardest seeing him go, and seeing the building crash down into his room. i really took to that kid. the villain needed a much more gruesome death. loved the OST in this one as well. animation is perhaps at it's best so far. i said before that i've been waiting for so long to watch this and now i regret it thanks to the villain. tomoe! :( as i said i loved it, but wouldn't rewatch due to the violence in here. it's higher than ever so i couldn't bear that unless i skipped it. overall: 9. still, what the heck happened in the middle? was it SUPPOSED to confuse the viewers? because it so worked on me. ------ black1blade said: I don't get how people can't love 1-4 maybe you will on re-watches. true, but 3-4 brings the interest. 1 was boring as crap. i would have even dropped it if i didn't remember how the people i met kept saying it was great (2 to my recollection but still, they were very adamant about it). |
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| This was the best KnK movie so far, it was amazing. The narrative used blew my mind, I was between understanding and not understanding at the same time. It was a tornado of information, storytelling, plot twists... If I thought previous movies had a really amazing and solid way to tell the story, this movie takes that to another level. The perspective given to each part of it was exquisite, I really didn't know what was about to happen till the very end. KnK doesn't disappoint, not even a single bit. As always, the art is perfect, music, sounds, voices, animation. It's just top notch. It was very brutal, very graphic too... again, Ufotable knew how to transmit and make you feel different in each act. As side comments: * I couldn't believe Touko was dead =O I was like "Noooo!!!!" But i accepted it. * I didn't understand at first all those "loops"with "missing"pieces, again, till the very end I could understand. * Kokutou is an idiot xD You know, with all the "would you like her even if she was a boy?" thing jajaja. * Shiki want's Kokutou's "key"!! =D Anyway, it was a great 2h movie, too much stuff to comment but, I don't think that I need to since everyone here enjoyed it, I'm sure of it. This is the kind of work of art I'm proud of watching. Really good material. |
HDarkmantis said: This was the best KnK movie so far, it was amazing. The narrative used blew my mind, I was between understanding and not understanding at the same time. It was a tornado of information, storytelling, plot twists... If I thought previous movies had a really amazing and solid way to tell the story, this movie takes that to another level. The perspective given to each part of it was exquisite, I really didn't know what was about to happen till the very end. KnK doesn't disappoint, not even a single bit. As always, the art is perfect, music, sounds, voices, animation. It's just top notch. It was very brutal, very graphic too... again, Ufotable knew how to transmit and make you feel different in each act. As side comments: * I couldn't believe Touko was dead =O I was like "Noooo!!!!" But i accepted it. * I didn't understand at first all those "loops"with "missing"pieces, again, till the very end I could understand. * Kokutou is an idiot xD You know, with all the "would you like her even if she was a boy?" thing jajaja. * Shiki want's Kokutou's "key"!! =D Anyway, it was a great 2h movie, too much stuff to comment but, I don't think that I need to since everyone here enjoyed it, I'm sure of it. This is the kind of work of art I'm proud of watching. Really good material. These movies are totally worth rewatching after a while. You can grasp a lot of things that flew over your head during the first run. |
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Xarvon said: These movies are totally worth rewatching after a while. You can grasp a lot of things that flew over your head during the first run. Yeah, I think those movies are worth it. =D |
| @ronri Ive got few questions If you dont mind answering: 1. Why didnt Araya kill her right when he captured her(stole her body and shit)? 2.The moment when Shiki was pulled out of the elevator with the Counter Force... What was the purpose of those flashbacks(I mean, why did they show that particular scenes) also by the end I assume that Shiki saw the third Shiki from the Epilogue, right? 3. While were at it, what part did the third Shiki from the Epilogue took in the story? 4. When Shiki got out of the elevator, Araya said that he was deceived by Shiki's self suggestion, and that she wasnt fighting Fujino with her fullest potential. Why's that? |
LowOfSolipsism said: 1. Why didnt Araya kill her right when he captured her(stole her body and shit)? He was planning to possess her. He only subdued her so he could experiment and find a way to transfer his mind into her body and use the Mystic Eyes. LowOfSolipsism said: 2.The moment when Shiki was pulled out of the elevator with the Counter Force... What was the purpose of those flashbacks(I mean, why did they show that particular scenes) also by the end I assume that Shiki saw the third Shiki from the Epilogue, right? When Shiki was absorbed into the core of the world that Araya created, her mind was essentially put in a state of limbo that allowed her to see various events in time and history. In this regard, she also witnessed her third personality speaking to Mikiya, and the third personality noticed her in turn. LowOfSolipsism said: 3. While were at it, what part did the third Shiki from the Epilogue took in the story? Most of it is very subtle, but basically the third Shiki manifests as her desire to murder in the first place. Because Shiki's origin is "nothingness", her third personality manifests as a desire to seek that nothingness, which can easily be equated as the destruction of everything around her. Some very obvious instances when the third personality emerged was when Shiki was experiencing ecstasy over the corpses in Movie 2. In Movie 5, another instance she's noticeably present was the moment her eyes went blank as she smiled before engaging Araya in their final battle. LowOfSolipsism said: 4. When Shiki got out of the elevator, Araya said that he was deceived by Shiki's self suggestion, and that she wasnt fighting Fujino with her fullest potential. Why's that? Shiki only fought Fujino with a knife, when in fact, Shiki is actually a trained swordsman. She basically hold herself back when using a knife (mainly because she likes knives) but she's far more attuned as a combatant when using a katana. I hope my answers helped! ^_^ |
ronriApr 27, 2016 8:44 PM
ronri said: LowOfSolipsism said: 1. Why didnt Araya kill her right when he captured her(stole her body and shit)? He was planning to possess her. He only subdued her so he could experiment and find a way to transfer his mind into her body and use the Mystic Eyes. LowOfSolipsism said: 2.The moment when Shiki was pulled out of the elevator with the Counter Force... What was the purpose of those flashbacks(I mean, why did they show that particular scenes) also by the end I assume that Shiki saw the third Shiki from the Epilogue, right? When Shiki was absorbed into the core of the world that Araya created, her mind was essentially put in a state of limbo that allowed her to see various events in time and history. In this regard, she also witnessed her third personality speaking to Mikiya, and the third personality noticed her in turn. LowOfSolipsism said: 3. While were at it, what part did the third Shiki from the Epilogue took in the story? Most of it is very subtle, but basically the third Shiki manifests as her desire to murder in the first place. Because Shiki's origin is "nothingness", her third personality manifests as a desire to seek that nothingness, which can easily be equated as the destruction of everything around her. Some very obvious instances when the third personality emerged was when Shiki was experiencing ecstasy over the corpses in Movie 2. In Movie 5, another instance she's noticeably present was the moment her eyes went blank as she smiled before engaging Araya in their final battle. LowOfSolipsism said: 4. When Shiki got out of the elevator, Araya said that he was deceived by Shiki's self suggestion, and that she wasnt fighting Fujino with her fullest potential. Why's that? Shiki only fought Fujino with a knife, when in fact, Shiki is actually a trained swordsman. She basically hold herself back when using a knife (mainly because she likes knives) but she's far more attuned as a combatant when using a katana. I hope my answers helped! ^_^ Sorry for the delay... Thanks it helped a lot, indeed. |
| I have the feeling the movie was too long for its own good. Watched it on Blu Ray and visually it was stunning as always, same goes for the soundtrack. Can't say the same about the story. What Araya said after roughly one hour "I forgot the reason for my actions long ago" is,sadly, the most fitting description of this movie. And the added character wasn't exactly good either. Reminds me kind of of a certain annoying redhead and his horrible german voice didn't help. Plus they overdid it with the violence. I know, the movies were violent from the start, but the whole eye-gouging etc was a bit to much imo. Before I forget, "3rd place in the Willy Wonka look-a-like contest" ( forgot his name already ) was kind of redundant. |
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi  |
| this was the most traumatizing, confusing, fucked up piece of fiction I have ever seen, and I loved it 10/10 |
| Not cohered enough, and it's angst is overflowing on my veins. Cringefest for me. However, it's better than the past 4 films, which is definitely a pain, plus, it has an awesome, but irrational and stupid anti-hero. Stunning visuals and direction but then, plot is still terrible. Shiki is just a terrible (and overpowered?) MC. 6/10 |
JomsMay 10, 2016 7:37 AM
9spaceking said: TheBigGuy said: I have the feeling the movie was too long for its own good. Watched it on Blu Ray and visually it was stunning as always, same goes for the soundtrack. Can't say the same about the story. What Araya said after roughly one hour "I forgot the reason for my actions long ago" is,sadly, the most fitting description of this movie. And the added character wasn't exactly good either. Reminds me kind of of a certain annoying redhead and his horrible german voice didn't help. Plus they overdid it with the violence. I know, the movies were violent from the start, but the whole eye-gouging etc was a bit to much imo. Before I forget, "3rd place in the Willy Wonka look-a-like contest" ( forgot his name already ) was kind of redundant. haha, true. I watched it online at double speed and I was still able to piece everything together. It was a cool movie, but I still think 7 is better. Also, to the guy on the first page who said this was the best movie they ever watched. *LAUGHS MANIACALLY* "You ain't seen nothing!" --me looking at Paradox Spiral, the 87th best movie on my chart [http://www.flickchart.com/Charts.aspx?user=9spaceking&view=list&perpage=250] Yeah, 5 was good, but I like 7 the most. |
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi |
9spaceking said: what best for you might be shit for them. It's preference.TheBigGuy said: I have the feeling the movie was too long for its own good. Watched it on Blu Ray and visually it was stunning as always, same goes for the soundtrack. Can't say the same about the story. What Araya said after roughly one hour "I forgot the reason for my actions long ago" is,sadly, the most fitting description of this movie. And the added character wasn't exactly good either. Reminds me kind of of a certain annoying redhead and his horrible german voice didn't help. Plus they overdid it with the violence. I know, the movies were violent from the start, but the whole eye-gouging etc was a bit to much imo. Before I forget, "3rd place in the Willy Wonka look-a-like contest" ( forgot his name already ) was kind of redundant. haha, true. I watched it online at double speed and I was still able to piece everything together. It was a cool movie, but I still think 7 is better. Also, to the guy on the first page who said this was the best movie they ever watched. *LAUGHS MANIACALLY* "You ain't seen nothing!" --me looking at Paradox Spiral, the 87th best movie on my chart [http://www.flickchart.com/Charts.aspx?user=9spaceking&view=list&perpage=250] |
| Hm, maybe it was because I had very high expectations from this one, but I didn't enjoy it that much. Non-linear presentation comes with its own mindfuckery, sure, but the plot itself isn't that great once pieced together - and it was fairly easy to do so by the end of the movie. There wasn't any great pay-off. (Whereas in contrast, Baccano! has a real fun plot using crazy coincidences repeatedly to great effect, with some very unique characters.) In the end, it's just Shiki being Shiki and slashing stuff up using her endlessly OP eyes. Shirou was there too, but was called Tomoe for some reason. He called himself stupid, and I tend to agree. I had high hopes for Araya Souren, given how he had apparently orchestrated events from movies 1 and 3, and had Kotomine Kirei's awesome voice, thanks to the VA Nakata Jouji. He disappointed.The antagonists were far from convincing, and were echoes of antagonists I've already seen in Nasuverse (Fate, Tsukihime specifically). Seriously, it's a little boring seeing similar themes being repeated, but without any real depth. We get it, you either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Except if you're hot, like Touko or Arcueid. In that case you're good. The only bright spot was Kokutou, whom I'm genuinely starting to like now. I forgive him for being a nutjob who condones wanton murder just because he has the hots for Shiki. No, really, I do. My only complaint is that he looks too much like Shiki from Tsukihime. It's outrageous. I genuinely enjoyed #4, thought this would be even better because of all the reviews. Gravely disappointed. Animation and sound were top-notch as usual, although at parts it dipped compared to the previous movies. Overall I'd say it's a 7/10 at best. |
Arachnophobic said: In the end, it's just Shiki being Shiki and slashing stuff up using her endlessly OP eyes. Shirou was there too, but was called Tomoe for some reason. He called himself stupid, and I tend to agree. I had high hopes for Araya Souren, given how he had apparently orchestrated events from movies 1 and 3, and had Kotomine Kirei's awesome voice, thanks to the VA Nakata Jouji. He disappointed.The antagonists were far from convincing, and were echoes of antagonists I've already seen in Nasuverse (Fate, Tsukihime specifically). Seriously, it's a little boring seeing similar themes being repeated, but without any real depth. We get it, you either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Except if you're hot, like Touko or Arcueid. In that case you're good. The only bright spot was Kokutou, whom I'm genuinely starting to like now. I forgive him for being a nutjob who condones wanton murder just because he has the hots for Shiki. No, really, I do. My only complaint is that he looks too much like Shiki from Tsukihime. It's outrageous. I think it's a bit unfair to treat this as something that's a case of "been there, done that" especially when you consider how Kara no Kyoukai's entire story serves as the backbone and prototype of many of Nasu's future works (Tsukihime, Fate series, etc.). That is to say, it's not that Kara no Kyoukai borrows from other existing works of Nasu, rather it's literally the starting basis of Nasu's works (ideas, themes, characters, designs etc.) by being the first widely-published work to come out of Type-Moon (well before Tsukihime and Fate/Stay Night). The fact that you speak of this particular series under the comparative light that it somehow "repeats" some of Nasu's existing ideas/works and how you seem to compare to his newer works lead me to think that you're being unfair in your assessment towards it based on such context. As an aside, I'd argue that a lot of themes regarding the topics discussed in KnK are hardly discussed or given depth at all in the grand scheme of the Nasuverse. The bare ideas sure I'll give you that, but I've gone through enough of his stuff to recognize that the ideas in KnK are hardly ever touched on again in his future works. It doesn't help that KnK is Nasu's very specific take on paranormal occurrences and ESP as a whole. In this regard, I don't see how it so much repeats things when it was the first work he published anyway, and how the specific themes and topics addressed in KnK are barely given as much time and focus in his future works. |
ronriSep 12, 2016 11:58 AM
| Hey @ronri, I've found some of your posts in other KnK discussion threads quite illuminating, so thanks for those! :) You've single-handedly defended this series a lot. You do have a lot more context at hand from reading the novels, so I think it's almost certain you had a very different experience from mine when watching this series. You're right - it's unfair to judge only KnK, since it's Nasu's prototypical work. Maybe I'd find Tsukihime and Fate/Stay Night annoying if I had watched KnK first. This reminds me of Dan Brown's novels - once you read a couple of them, it becomes very easy to predict the plot and characters of any of the other ones, because he doesn't alter the formula at all. The first one feels great, the second decent, the rest not so much. I think my annoyance is directed more towards the whole body of Nasu's works, and I took it out on KnK more because I really wanted to like it the most, since it's the only serious one that has a female MC (oh, how I wish Fate/Prototype was the definitive version). While I'm fine with some themes getting repeated across different works, Nasu does it to the point where it becomes boring and repetitive. It's like his (translated) writing taken to a larger scale - lots of repetition of the same thing with minor details changed here and there, sometimes even contradicting each other. I don't even want to get into how the people who embody these themes don't even seem real - they're all extremes. In that sense they remind me of Ayn Rand's characters. That's not really a compliment, but I guess they sit okay with some people. I personally prefer characters that feel real, and I can possibly empathize with. The minor characters feel more real, that way, because they don't embody ideas - Tomoe felt more real in this movie. Irony of ironies, though, he wasn't even a real person.. I don't even know what to say about the near-repetition of character designs across his works. It seems less like homage and more like artistic laziness and lack of creativity. So here's what I think are some of the themes that were repeated, and arguably done better in the future works: (SPOILERS FROM F/SN VN, F/Z, TSUKIHIME) There are more themes in common, but at this point I just feel tired of writing and I also need to study (heheh). I acknowledge that there are some themes and ideas that are mostly unique to KnK, I just wish they were given more of a front seat - Shiki's ability of destruction was highlighted, but the *creation* part of the Spiral of Origin/Void was only hinted at in the epilogue. I loved the different kinds of powers the Mages had, but it wasn't explored too well at all. A large variety of powers always feels interesting to me: the interplay can be amazing to behold, as seen in Hunter x Hunter or Worm. Feels like wasted potential. |
ArachnophobicSep 13, 2016 1:07 AM
| Hi @Arachnophobic, I'll spoiler tag my response to avoid clutter: As for the rest of your points about the repeated themes, I'll be answering them in the following: As for the rest of your points: I hope I didn't come off as being aggressive in my posts as I only mean to explain on behalf of the series due to my overwhelming love for it. In this regard, I truly appreciate you responding in kind and understanding where I'm coming from with my reasoning. ^_^ |
ronriSep 13, 2016 5:33 PM
| @ronri, thanks as always for such a thoughtful and elaborate reply. You didn't come off as aggressive at all, far from it. :) With regard to Soren's motivation, I'm afraid I'm still confused. Maybe it's twisted to the point where I just can't wrap my head around it? If he wants to, as an observer, pinpoint the peak of a human life, he should realise that him ending that life prematurely means he never let that human reach its potential peak at all. I would somewhat understand if he let all the humans die in their own ways and then observed their lives/deaths (which is sort of what he did in his tower - 'sort of' because he actually interfered and pushed them subtly toward an early death), but ending them prematurely against their will makes those lives all the more meaningless. I'd understand if he was a straight-on misanthrope, but with such twisted logic I just don't get him. On the other hand, I get your points about Mikiya and Shiki. I think it's a case where I didn't resonate strongly with both of the characters and their behaviour. I guess that can't really be helped, since it's such a subjective thing and very closely tied to personal experiences and belief. I can see why someone can find their inner conflicts interesting, but it wasn't so much for me. About my complaint about creation, this was also resolved a fair bit by movie #8 which I watched yesterday. Don't want to leave spoilers here, but I think you know exactly what I mean. *sigh* While I'm interested in learning more about the Magi, I just can't get myself to read more Nasu now. I think I'm allergic to his writing. The Fate route in F/SN almost made me physically ill at some points; of course the quality of the translations didn't help. X) Maybe in the distant future. I'll definitely read the novels first when I eventually re-watch this series. For now I'll just treat myself to Carnival Phantasm and end my Type-Moon marathon. |
Arachnophobic said: @ronri, thanks as always for such a thoughtful and elaborate reply. You didn't come off as aggressive at all, far from it. :) @Arachnophobic : I'm truly sorry for disappearing at the time. Been rather busy, so I never quite managed a proper response until now. I hope you don't mind me responding so late. >_> Once again I'm truly sorry for not replying sooner! That said, I'm still glad that you replied with such consideration and understanding, and I truly appreciate them. ^_^ |
| so the other movies were pretty meh in my opinion but i heard that this movie should be a better one so i expected much but oh boy this shit here is definetly something else. for sure the best movie and made it worth watching the previous ones |
| Understood what was going on after taking a good 20 minutes to process what was going on. Decent/Good but nothing amazing imo. The cinematography was gruesome at times along with fairly interesting twists, but overall it was a took quite an effort to trudge through. Even as a fan of the fate series and understanding the whole 'reaching the root' desire by magus of this universe, some things were just incoherent during the movie and too many ideas were thrown around. The whole tomoe death-loop issue with the condominium along with the spiral staircase and rotating elevator works for the sake of how it is, made the movie far more complicated than it should have been and made understanding the basic flow of what this 5th movie is about too convoluted. While having this entire mechanism did allow for some 'mind blowing twists and confusion' that apparently wows the audience as you figure things out along the way, at the end of the day it was completely unnecessary and pointless. 6/10 |
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| I'm speechless.Masterpiece of a movie definitely have to rewatch sometime later. 10/10 |
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| This film, has destroyed me psychologically. Narration extremely difficult to follow and digest in a short time, you have to look and try as quickly as possible, to assimilate the concepts, trying not to lose your train of thought that binds situations. The difficulty lies in the fact that the narrative is not so straightforward and is made even more difficult by the fact of not having all the information we have, from the beginning. However, I must admit, that being able to do a similar job of directing, is extraordinary. Too bad, that the quality of the drawings, is not high as it happened in the other films. Were really very crude certain situations, thankfully, now comes a much more relaxing movie. |
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| best movie in the saga |
If you are going to disagree with me, don't bother talking to me. I will seriously hurt you! |
| Eh I always hate such overcomplicated shit. Don't get me wrong, i understand whole movie, but to me it's wasted 2 hrs. |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| Animation got crunchy on repeat parts, wat plot. such boring very long much filler 4/10 |
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| YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! I really can't add anything that hasn't already been said about this masterpiece. 10/10 The only thing I'm confused about is how does Tomoe's body double thing work? Does she have a real body? If someone can help me understand this fully I would appreciate it. |
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WolfWood37 said: The only thing I'm confused about is how does Tomoe's body double thing work? Does she have a real body? If someone can help me understand this fully I would appreciate it. I think you're referring to Touko, not Tomoe. Within her various experiments, Touko has managed to create a perfect puppet imitation of herself. It is no more or less than herself, and despite most magi striving to seek higher plateaus in the field, she feels that is the state of the art of magecraft. It has brought her current existence into a state of being that can be likened to Schrödinger's cat. Upon first witnessing her creation, she thought there may no longer be a need for herself, and that it, even after she is killed, going on to act as she did no longer leaves any hope for puppeteers to achieve ascension in their craft. Even if her body is destroyed and her soul is severed, the next Touko simply awakens without issue. Due to the exactness of the puppets, the next Touko will awaken after the death of the previous one. It is possible to stall the awakening by keeping her brain active, even if the rest of her body is destroyed. |
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| It took 2 hours but we got there in the end, best movie so far. E: Tomoe and all the NTR felt like a splinter through the plot. |
Prim3Nov 20, 2017 8:01 PM
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| Easily the best movie in this franchise yet! I loved how they almost completely cut off Shiki's presence from the 2nd act of the movie. After she is kidnapped, she's not visible in any scene, even if other characters are having conversation with her. Brilliant choice! Direction in general was superb, the whole theme of looping events, messing up story's timeline, overwhelming confusion, I love that kind of stuff in my movies. I honestly think that they could have made a bit shorter the part where we are left alone basically only with Mikiya and Touko for the good portion of second act. Dunno, without Shiki the pace kinda drops, and watching just the two of them interacting was a little dull. Maybe I'm just not the biggest fan of them. Not that I hate them, I just don't really care that much, especially about Mikiya (for some reason). 8/10 and I wonder whether the final movie in this series will be able to top it :3 |
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| damn this movie was kinda of confusing if you weren't paying attention throughout the movie but it was fucking fantastic |
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