Aldnoah.Zero Season One
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Aug 2, 2014 10:21 PM
#251
| Don't really get why people are complaining about the MC. Do you guys prefer the useless-->overpowered MC setups? Why is it so unfathomable that a MC is actually brilliant? Is there some anime law saying otherwise? "But it's not realistic" ---- Who's to say it is or isn't? Is it really not possible that someone could think like that in real life? Or is everyone just a dumb grunt soldier that shoots at an overpowered mech and stands in place while waiting to be sliced down by a sword? Idk about you guys, but I don't mind the MC, in fact, I think it's better than seeing the typical struggling MC that eventually prevails through the power of friendship that we've seen 34,809 times now. |
Aug 2, 2014 10:39 PM
#252
| The plot is really good for the most part, but the characters are just ruining it. They feel completely soulless. Slaine is the only one who feels human. |
| The fate of destruction is also the joy of rebirth |
Aug 2, 2014 10:44 PM
#253
yaHzee said: Don't really get why people are complaining about the MC. Do you guys prefer the useless-->overpowered MC setups? Why is it so unfathomable that a MC is actually brilliant? Is there some anime law saying otherwise? "But it's not realistic" ---- Who's to say it is or isn't? Is it really not possible that someone could think like that in real life? Or is everyone just a dumb grunt soldier that shoots at an overpowered mech and stands in place while waiting to be sliced down by a sword? Idk about you guys, but I don't mind the MC, in fact, I think it's better than seeing the typical struggling MC that eventually prevails through the power of friendship that we've seen 34,809 times now. There's a large amount of people that will call something bad or unworthy if it doesn't fit their perfect opinion. " Oh I don't like this type of MC, whole show is awful!" etc etc I've read way too many reviews from people like that. |
Aug 2, 2014 10:53 PM
#254
drama_menck said: since the first episode I really liked of Inaho as the protagonist, his intelligence and his pokerface shows him as a hero, of the other side Slaine is always lost and weak, I do not like protagonists like that, especially in this last episode in which he trying to help just caused the doom of the earth, the princess at first seems to have a crush on him, but I think the story will change and Inaho will end up forming a harem, I twist so it .. The thing is Inaho is not showing any weaknesses whatsoever. Everyone has some sort of weakness and since Inaho is not shown to have weaknesses that makes audience members form less of a connection with him. Inaho shows no sign of going through any struggle. Slaine on the other hand is struggling because he's not really allowed to do anything. He wants to go to earth, retrieve the princess, and take her back to end the war. However because of his rank he isn't allowed to do anything. At this point it's hard to see Slaine succeeding, but we can always count on Inaho to come up with a new brilliant plan. That's what makes Inaho's side of the story less interesting. |
| We need as much lewdness as we can possibly get. ~ Komine Sachi |
Aug 2, 2014 10:54 PM
#255
| I enjoy the mc. I find that more people are upset by the fact that he doesn't verbally/visually express everything that's going on up top. I'm not entirely certain why... it's pretty clear that he's anything but "emotionless". Characters tending to physically express everything pops into their heads is more or less the product of necessity in visual medium; real people don't usually tend to do that. His character hearkens back to classic science fiction where lead characters were intellectual powerhouses (Paul Atreides from Dune, Ender from his eponymus book, etc.) rather than just action-hero hotheads. Granted both those listed suffer in-universe and are demonized by populations for being too brilliant/farsighted so truth-in-television I suppose? ------------------------------------------ re: the reactive armor Reactive armor plates are counter-ballistics measures, nothing Vers has been throwing at them to this point has really been ballistic in nature (lazcannons, matter absorption, etc.) Their use is this situation is a little questionable as well. Plasma (at least the type I'm willing to believe would be weaponized) is HOT. It's the most common form of matter in the universe because stars are mostly comprised of it. Heat isn't localized to the source (as anyone who has approached a fire or put their hand near a stove is aware of). They played into this when the kataphrakt detonates HE rounds midair, "blocks" with the leidenfrost effect, and when the blades flash boil that much ocean, but conversely they should also be liquefying anything in 100 yards around them. I'm willing to suspend disbelief on their use as swords because martian-heatshielding OP, however Inaho's entire reactive plating should've detonated, his kataphrakt should've started melting, and he should've been boiling inside the cockpit the moment those weapons got anywhere near his mech... Convection can usually be put down as one of those things where you just automatically suspend disbelief, but its another thing entirely when the writer lampshades it himself but then only uses it where convenient lol. |
cr1msonambienceAug 2, 2014 11:10 PM
Aug 2, 2014 11:01 PM
#256
| Slaine got outsmarted by that damn count. I already had a feeling that talking to the emperor won't go smoothly like that. And since he's gonna be treated as a spy, there's a good chance that he'll definitely defect and ally with Inaho to protect the princess. I don't know much about Inaho being stoic and all, I'm guessing he's not ordinary boy and more than a genius in tactics himself. Like he gain great experience and wisdom elsewhere. I guess there's more than he is letting out and may have a deeper background. Loving the ED. I keep looping it on my phones countless times. Its really great. I'd love to hear the OST and the full version of A/Z when it comes out. |
Aug 2, 2014 11:10 PM
#257
| There seems to be a misconception that Inaho is the protagonist. He's not. By Word of God, he's just a protagonist of this story with Slaine and Asseylum (even if she gets the short end of stick so far as focus goes; but this will change when it's her turn to shine). Pik3Rob said: The thing is Inaho is not showing any weaknesses whatsoever. Everyone has some sort of weakness and since Inaho is not shown to have weaknesses that makes audience members form less of a connection with him. Inaho shows no sign of going through any struggle. Slaine on the other hand is struggling because he's not really allowed to do anything. He wants to go to earth, retrieve the princess, and take her back to end the war. However because of his rank he isn't allowed to do anything. At this point it's hard to see Slaine succeeding, but we can always count on Inaho to come up with a new brilliant plan. That's what makes Inaho's side of the story less interesting. Bingo. Nobody with actual sound mind roots for someone like this. He's just a walking plot-device more than a character at this rate: completely soulless with stupid lines (infodumping and four-walling how the enemies were defeated? God, it's so painful). If he dies or he's replaced by a robot, nothing of value is lost because he has no presence other than "plothax". cr1msonambience said: His character hearkens back to classic science fiction where lead characters were intellectual powerhouses (Paul Atreides from Dune, Ender from his eponymus book, etc.) rather than just action-hero hotheads. Granted both those listed suffer in-universe and are demonized by populations for being too brilliant/farsighted so truth-in-television I suppose? That's what made them sympathetic and accessible: you root for them because you know they are struggling and suffering. You have access to their thoughts as well. Inaho's a a blank slate who might be as well replaced by an android and it'll make no difference. It's not a question of the archetype, but how badly he's been written. The most "struggling" he had was Okisuke's death to which he show absolutely no grief for. |
ThessAug 2, 2014 11:25 PM
Aug 2, 2014 11:52 PM
#258
| Again, I'm not sure that he's poorly written simply because he hasn't boiled over to the point of breaking his stoicism yet. We are only 5 episodes in and all the deus-exing he's done is make use of concepts taught in freshman level college physics. Now, you might argue that it doesn't seem normal for a high-school kid to be able to deal with and innovate under duress as he does, but I find him interesting because I think there will be a reason for that beyond him being a plot panacea and I feel like there's a subtext to his silence. I enjoyed the unspoken acknowledgement between Inaho and Rayet at the end of this episode more than any of Ledo 2.0's characterization thus far, in all honesty. To say that he doesn't show grief over Okisuke's death is a little unfair, he was clearly perturbed by it to the point where he was willing and eager to risk his life and that of his comrades to "avenge" him when it might've been a better idea to attempt to slip by Trillram under the smokescreen. |
cr1msonambienceAug 2, 2014 11:58 PM
Aug 3, 2014 12:01 AM
#259
cr1msonambience said: Again, I'm not sure that he's poorly written simply because he hasn't boiled over to the point of breaking his stoicism yet. We are only 5 episodes in and all the deus-exing he's done is make use of concepts taught in freshman level college physics. Now, you might argue that it doesn't seem normal for a high-school kid to be able to deal with and innovate under duress as he does, but I find him interesting because I think there will be a reason for that beyond him being a plot panacea and I feel like there's a subtext to his silence. I enjoyed the unspoken acknowledgement between Inaho and Raylet at the end of this episode more than any of Ledo 2.0's characterization thus far, in all honesty. I won't deny that it is possible that he will get development later on, but as of now there isn't much hinting towards it. I'd rather not expect he will get better without any basis as to why I do. As of now in the show Inaho is made out to be rather perfect. |
| We need as much lewdness as we can possibly get. ~ Komine Sachi |
Aug 3, 2014 12:14 AM
#260
| Damn it's tough being the Suzaku of the series.... always worried about your princess. Pretty good episode, good luck to Slaine though. |
Aug 3, 2014 12:22 AM
#261
cr1msonambience said: Again, I'm not sure that he's poorly written simply because he hasn't boiled over to the point of breaking his stoicism yet. We are only 5 episodes in and all the deus-exing he's done is make use of concepts taught in freshman level college physics. Now, you might argue that it doesn't seem normal for a high-school kid to be able to deal with and innovate under duress as he does, but I find him interesting because I think there will be a reason for that beyond him being a plot panacea and I feel like there's a subtext to his silence. I enjoyed the unspoken acknowledgement between Inaho and Rayet at the end of this episode more than any of Ledo 2.0's characterization thus far, in all honesty. To say that he doesn't show grief over Okisuke's death is a little unfair, he was clearly perturbed by it to the point where he was willing and eager to risk his life and that of his comrades to "avenge" him when it might've been a better idea to attempt to slip by Trillram under the smokescreen. He's a protagonist. He doesn't need more than 2 or 3 episodes to establish him as good or with potential. Inaho lacks this, even after the death of a friend. He's also burdened with ridiculous expository dialogue to the audience about how he defeated Grunt A or B which makes his characterization even poorer. It doesn't mean he's beyond salvation, but so far his greatest points are not of any merit of his own but his reaction to some members of the cast like his sister. |
Aug 3, 2014 12:47 AM
#263
| I don't think we're ever going to fully agree on a valuation of his character until more episodes are released and more information comes to light just on a matter of taste, how long a protagonist should be given to establish himself, etc. I hope we can simply agree to disagree on that matter and leave it at that. However, I would like to hear what you propose as a more elegant solution to the kind of expository dialogue we're getting (I suppose this is referring to his battle-plans and fight scene explanations). It's the nature of the medium that it can't be rolled into narration, so who should the burden be thrust upon? Should it be Rayet instead since she seems to know what's happening? Should it be thrust on some never-before-seen crew of the carrier? Should we have the obligatory "science-girl" written into the show as so many have done before to offer real-time narration on any esoteric concepts? All of those feel equally inelegant. Without a system of narration, it's probably most elegant to simply leave it to the audience to figure it out for themselves. I feel like you're well-watched enough to have seen the typical audience reaction when a writer attempts that. |
Aug 3, 2014 12:51 AM
#264
Aug 3, 2014 12:51 AM
#265
| Man I was totally fooled thinking the emperor had an ounce of intelligence. He's a complete idiot really don't understand why he'd just accept the one guys word when Slaine just told him about the plot to kill his granddaughter. He already previously stated that it was weird that the Terrans would assassinate the princess. Seems pretty forced. |
Aug 3, 2014 12:53 AM
#266
cr1msonambience said: I don't think we're ever going to fully agree on a valuation of his character until more episodes are released and more information comes to light just on a matter of taste, how long a protagonist should be given to establish himself, etc. I hope we can simply agree to disagree on that matter and leave it at that. However, I would like to hear what you propose as a more elegant solution to the kind of expository dialogue we're getting (I suppose this is referring to his battle-plans and fight scene explanations). It's the nature of the medium that it can't be rolled into narration, so who should the burden be thrust upon? Should it be Rayet instead since she seems to know what's happening? Should it be thrust on some never-before-seen crew of the carrier? Should we have the obligatory "science-girl" written into the show as so many have done before to offer real-time narration on any esoteric concepts? All of those feel equally inelegant. Without a system of narration, it's probably most elegant to simply leave it to the audience to figure it out for themselves. I feel like you're well-watched enough to have seen the typical audience reaction when a writer attempts that. You can give him a (GASP) personality trait of being a show off and boasting, but he's not having any personality at all beyond "working on logic" so his explanations are fairly out of character and unnatural. Give him introspection and not cheesy "this is why I defeat you" lines. I'm more interested to see him fleshed out than remain a static android who only appears on screen to defeat the Robot of the Week. Value of his character is pretty much many everyone around him drop their IQ all suddenly. He hasn't done anything specially impressive: he's faced stupid enemies surrounded by a even stupider military forces. This is another criticism I have with the show. This doesn't make Inaho "cool" just because he knew high school science. It makes the rest of the cast, enemy and ally, pretty fairly stupid. In popcorn shows like Code Geass or Valvrave (to put an example, because this show can't reach Gundam), the enemies they faced were smart so they needed a very smart strategist. That strategist generally sat back from action so the balance of power wouldn't be upset. Inaho bends the plot to make it all about him when he can't carry the show at all, even with his co protagonists. |
Aug 3, 2014 1:21 AM
#267
jdbe said: Inaho once again using his unbelievable war tactics that he's a massed from years of combat to beat an exceptionally tough martian. You can guess by the sentence above I was being sarcastic. It's just another poorly developed main character who wins against the odds for no reason. I mean, the plan itself was simple, yet all the people with actual war knowledge couldn't think of that. The way inaho went on it was like he might as well be in charge. Slaines the only character keeping this series alive Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. you dont need "years of combat experience" to know science. They are completely unrelated. Last i heard, you do not require a PhD in any scientific fields to enroll into the military. Most of these guys just use their weapons because they "Work" and wont know every single scientific implications of their weapons when they are used. I was under the impression that mars doesnt have an abundance of water too, so vlad would not have known about steam explosion or he'd switch off his blades as he hit the water. honestly, all this hate from baseless and ignorant people... |
IxsiehnAug 3, 2014 4:08 AM
Aug 3, 2014 1:26 AM
#268
fst said: GodlyKyon said: fst said: GodlyKyon said: 5Wishes said: ex_necross said: Why is nobody talking about the fact that the martian "mechs" have human teeth and a fleshly, biomech-like body under their armor? eeeeww, that reminds me of Sidonia. But still, good observation skills! That is some pretty creepy stuff. They pulled a fast one on us... I guess necross had MAD space tapping skillz It's an EVA! ...maybe. That actually reminded me of Sidonia no Kishi. Probably not Eva's, but I am almost certain it has something to do with Aldnoah, whatever it is. The head looks just a bit like unit 0 to me. Or at least reminded me of unit 0. My wild guess? The vers mechs are one-offs created from humans somehow by the "light of Aldnoah", similar to how prometheans are created by digitizing humans using the composer. And that is what Marito saw that the UE hushed up. I'd be a little disappointed if that turns out to be it, but I'm hedging my bets now just in case. One thing just came to my mind. WHat if INAHO IS A MARTIAN MECH WHICH TRANSFORMED BACK INTO A HUMAN? That's the real deal and an amazing plot. |
Aug 3, 2014 1:36 AM
#269
Aug 3, 2014 1:36 AM
#270
cr1msonambience said: I don't think we're ever going to fully agree on a valuation of his character until more episodes are released and more information comes to light just on a matter of taste, how long a protagonist should be given to establish himself, etc. I hope we can simply agree to disagree on that matter and leave it at that. However, I would like to hear what you propose as a more elegant solution to the kind of expository dialogue we're getting (I suppose this is referring to his battle-plans and fight scene explanations). It's the nature of the medium that it can't be rolled into narration, so who should the burden be thrust upon? Should it be Rayet instead since she seems to know what's happening? Should it be thrust on some never-before-seen crew of the carrier? Should we have the obligatory "science-girl" written into the show as so many have done before to offer real-time narration on any esoteric concepts? All of those feel equally inelegant. Without a system of narration, it's probably most elegant to simply leave it to the audience to figure it out for themselves. I feel like you're well-watched enough to have seen the typical audience reaction when a writer attempts that. All they need to do is just give him a personality flaw that effects him and the world around him in some significant way. He's obviously a smart guy so there's tons they could do with him. Perhaps he has trouble connecting with people beyond a rudimentary level? Maybe he's cocky over his intelligence. Maybe his intelligence has left him bitter and jaded about the world around him? Perhaps he treats life like some sort of plan. Making friends and associating with people only because it give him advantages in life. If these things sound "annoying" or "unbearable" to you then yeah, that's the point. They are personality FLAWS. You're not suppose to like those things about the character and it's up to him to overcome his flaws using his GOOD personality traits. If Slaine is level 1 and grinding to get to level 2, Inaho is level 99 on new game+ at the moment. There's not much places for his character to go as it seems he's already good at everything he needs to be in order to save the day. Really at the moment, Inaho just seems like some sort of fantasy for the typical INTJ so that they can go "SEE HOW COOL WE REALLY ARE!?" |
DPXJubeAug 3, 2014 1:42 AM
Aug 3, 2014 2:08 AM
#271
| I understand what character flaws are. By and large, I don't disagree that they are a good thing. They allow audiences to relate to characters since individuals in real life are imperfect. They generate conflicts to be resolved. Audiences like when the underdog character grows beyond himself to resolve some grand conflict either of self or at large. It's a staple of literature...and also old as sin as has been since before homer wrote The Odyssey. That said, I've consumed enough visual media and literature to see this rehashed in every way imaginable, and I don't really anticipate that an action driven mecha is going to offer me anything new in that department. If I wanted to re-experience a strong story about character flaws and individual growth I would go reread Norwegian Wood by Haruki Murakami. If I felt like I needed that story with an ending that wasn't overly bitter , I'd go rewatch Princess Tutu or reread Hoshi no Samidare. That said, good literature doesn't necessarily need to follow those guidelines. The story of Paul Atreidies from Frank Herbert's Dune, who I've alluded to earlier, involves a character so apparently perfect as to be a messiah in human form. This character is also destroyed by his omniscience. The future of the human race in that story is one awash with bloodshed and strife, a future in which the survival of the human race requires that he not be a benevolent and perfect ruler as he well could be, but instead a pariah in whose name countless worlds are purged of billions of human live in order to "harden up" humanity for the times to come. It's considered by many to be one of the best science fiction novels ever written. I don't believe Inaho or by extension Urubochi Gen is going to match that. I do however see in Inaho the potential to be something DIFFERENT, which is why he's interesting to me, in spite of how single-purposed his character may appear to be at this point in time. I don't mind if individuals disagree with my opinion. I realize that recent shows like mahoukouka have somewhat jaded folks towards "easy button" main characters. But PLEASE do not assume that I'm simply supporting Inaho because I don't know any better or I'm unaware of basic literary technique. |
Aug 3, 2014 2:12 AM
#272
dpxjube said: Really at the moment, Inaho just seems like some sort of fantasy for the typical INTJ so that they can go "SEE HOW COOL WE REALLY ARE!?" probably. i think majority anime viewers (or the enthusiast) are typical silent awkward INTJ people who always sat in the very back of the class. and this aldnoah script writer wanted to create MC which most of viewers can relate. im ESFP maybe thats the reason i really dont like inaho type of character... i cant relate to him at all. i like weak character that go through problem and struggle and then become strong and dependable (yes, your typical cliche shonen protagonist that you hated so much) |
Aug 3, 2014 2:19 AM
#273
JerichoDeath said: YurikoRaine said: I just find it hilarious that this discussion is going on for 5 episodes straight - and yes of course, despite the flaws I don't drop Tokyo Ghoul either. It's just nuts in my eyes to keep on nagging about the same handful of points thread after thread and expecting any results. Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity? Far Cry! Heh, I like you! |
Aug 3, 2014 2:22 AM
#274
| I'm going with a simpler explanation and say I like Inaho because he's not annoying. I don't think he is cool, more like mysterious. I'd say he's more like a blank slate right now and that's why I think he has such great potential for character growth. cr1msonambience said: If I felt like I needed that story with an ending that wasn't overly bitter , I'd go rewatch Princess Tutu Princess Tutu broke my heart. What are you talking about :( |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
Aug 3, 2014 2:34 AM
#275
ninjastarforcex said: probably. i think majority anime viewers (or the enthusiast) are typical silent awkward INTJ people who always sat in the very back of the class. and this aldnoah script writer wanted to create MC which most of viewers can relate. Um. They didn't define Inaho's personality until they wrote the script and Inaho's not really that popular in Japan either, at least for the protagonist who pilots a mecha (among the complains I have seen is because they can't empathize with him). Slaine is easily the fan favorite not just of the casual audience, but also of the staff and plenty mangaka and anime biz. Here lies my main concern, are they actually trying to make Inaho likeable or just to make the audience be indifferent to him and favor the other male protagonist on purpose? Even if I like Slaine, I recognize the danger of this direction that Inaho might not grow at all. They have a pause for half of the show with months to work on the second part. |
Aug 3, 2014 2:38 AM
#276
| Slaine development will make this anime interesting, still best character. |
Aug 3, 2014 2:44 AM
#277
| dpxjube/ninja If you even read my post, you would be aware that I adore Hoshi no Samidare, which has a cast largely populated by shonen archetypes. A quick perusal through my anime list which I haven't updated in almost 3 years would reveal that I have enjoyed a wide variety of shows that you've said I hate. Thanks for ad homming me. The point was not that the "Slaine" archetype is a bad type of character or that I hate his character at all. The point I was making is that the "overcoming the odds" story his character produces has been done in every Gundam, every Macross, Eva, Valverave, Rahxephon, Eureka 7, SB Yamato, Linebarrel, Lagann, Aquarion....got a sci-fi? you name it! need I go on? Here we have the potential for a breath of fresh air. Geass, Bokurano, Saikano. You might debate their success, but at least they aspired to mix up the formula. If I haven't made this clear enough, I LIKE THIS SHOW! Else I wouldn't bother posting about it for 5 pages >.> ----- re: xchee: I used "overly bitter" since I was trying to find a category that encompassed both Tutu and Samidare. I agree that it had a bittersweet end lol. Samidare on the other hand had a largely happy ending with bittersweet undertones. |
cr1msonambienceAug 3, 2014 2:48 AM
Aug 3, 2014 2:59 AM
#278
| Pretty good episode. We see a rematch of Inaho vs. Mecha Kirito. Now with dual wielding skill. The OST is a bit weird this episode. The ones from the past episodes are better. I now officially ship Slaine x Asseylum. We get to see how Slaine ended up with the martians. Fuck those Orbital Knights for lying to the Emperor. But I guess there won't be any story without a war now would it? And they started investigating the death of that guy from ep 3. Damn Slaine is gonna be fucked. I wonder who was Dr. Troyard though? He seems to be Slaine's father. What might be his story? Anyway, can't wait for next week! |
Aug 3, 2014 2:59 AM
#279
| I'm worried Slaine is going to die.. The white haired anime boys almost always die. :'-( Other than that, good episode (per usual.) I never really like when the top leader is so easily fooled, though.. I want just one series where the guy running things is actually smart. Maybe he's just playing a long, but destroying earth to play along is a bit much.. |
Aug 3, 2014 3:06 AM
#280
FenixDragon43 said: I never really like when the top leader is so easily fooled, though.. I want just one series where the guy running things is actually smart. Maybe he's just playing a long, but destroying earth to play along is a bit much.. I doubt that the emperor is actually running things anymore. He is probably a puppet in the hands of the Orbital Knights at this point. |
Aug 3, 2014 3:16 AM
#281
| The Emperor seems to be actually level headed. Suspends the dumb war yay! Slaine is in deep shit, well damn. And btw that's now how you do CPR hime-sama! Our Terran cast has toned down Urobutcher line, thanks based Takayama, the lieutenant doesn't seem as preachy as he did ep.1. The stupid and flashy fight ensues everyone gets rekt and Inaho saves the day because plot said so! It seemed smart, but it's contrived and unrealistc as others have pointed out. "KIDS ARE COOL, ADULTS DROOL!". Won't say it wasn't satisfying on a simple cathartic level tho. Slaine finally delivers the truth to the Emperor, only to find out our villains act as the "evil advisor" and the Emperor being more easily influenced than me, loses his level headedness and re-announces officially war on Earth! May the carnage(based Kaminaho) ensue! Seriously, can we have the entire series be about Slaine? Pretty please, if we're going on the boring Earth, can we also focus on the Princess' perspective instead of Kaminaho's?(yes, I'm going to call him like that from now on until he cracks or dies). 4/5 Just for cathartic fun and developments which I can larf at. |
Aug 3, 2014 3:23 AM
#282
cr1msonambience said: The point was not that the "Slaine" archetype is a bad type of character or that I hate his character at all. The point I was making is that the "overcoming the odds" story his character produces has been done in every Gundam, every Macross, Eva, Valverave, Rahxephon, Eureka 7, SB Yamato, Linebarrel, Lagann, Aquarion....got a sci-fi? you name it! need I go on? Slaine "archetype" is nothing like the shows you listed. In fact, most of those shows not even have overlapping archetypes. The only protagonist I can think is similar to Slaine is Loran of Turn A Gundam, but Slaine lacks a super mecha. |
Aug 3, 2014 3:34 AM
#283
| now im thinking about this plasma sword + water = explosion why dont vlad go touch the water with his sword near the ship while flying around and make super cool explosion tech? :p Thess said: Slaine "archetype" is nothing like the shows you listed. In fact, most of those shows not even have overlapping archetypes. The only protagonist I can think is similar to Slaine is Loran of Turn A Gundam, but Slaine lacks a super mecha. slain/loran as MC, thats why Turn A is freaking good show :p Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post and response to it. |
VudisAug 3, 2014 4:15 AM
Aug 3, 2014 3:37 AM
#284
ninjastarforcex said: now im thinking about this plasma sword + water = explosion why dont vlad go touch the water with his sword near the ship while flying around and make super cool explosion tech? :p Because common sense would dictate otherwise |
Aug 3, 2014 3:37 AM
#285
vieri32 said: Lol go die in a hole :Dis always so nobody likes big mc's Inaho. Prefer mediocre characters like Slaine, who has own opinion, without character and sent by others. I bet Slaine mediocre finishes with the princess and the great MC Inaho end alone is always so mediocre woman prefers guys. I honestly do not know what you guys give so much credit to this Slaine that is just a mediocre character Meh, the emperor disappointed me big time. I wasn't against him waging war, but the part where he announced peace makes him really inconsistent. |
Aug 3, 2014 3:37 AM
#286
| I think it is pointless for people to blame a character here. It's still too soon to tell what is going to happen. At least let the series finish its 1st half. Then we can have a serious debate. Until then, please enjoy and keep your head cool. |
Aug 3, 2014 3:43 AM
#287
| If they're going to write a story about warfare, shouldn't they be at the very least try to be authentic with it? I thought this story was going to be the challenges and difficulty of being a child soldier in a futuristic war, but what I got is a teenager that's so Cool4Skool and knows shit better than trained adults. And no, don't give me any of that 'they didn't know what they were up against' BS of an excuse. If I forgave the 'dumb as hell adults' plothole, Inaho's already showed what they were up against and successfully showed the proper countermeasures twice. If it weren't for plot-induced stupidity, he would've been debriefed by the officers of his 'tactics' and all the fodder Kataphrakts would have also had Reactive Armour beforehand, and could've sank the enemy Kataphrakt easier without Inaho needing to save the day. |
Aug 3, 2014 3:50 AM
#288
| What? The Grandpa got deceived that is lower than him? Well, Slaine is a Terran tho and having CPR'd by Asseylum was awesome indeed. Inaho being Inaho is okay. |
| The world shall know the truth soon. |
Aug 3, 2014 4:03 AM
#289
| he got trolled on that boat so hard |
Aug 3, 2014 4:23 AM
#290
Aug 3, 2014 4:38 AM
#291
| The emperor is weak ~~~~ he said peace and then war immediately. what happened to lets analyze what truly happened?! and shouldn't he also consider the possibility were the knights are bad. I thinkhope he does we will know more in upcoming episodes. If not he is a weak emperor ruled by emotions. @all who dont like inaho f u noobs. just enjoy the show r leave it. I personally want more MC's like him cold, calculative and strong. Tired of watching weak emotional cry babies. In the show overall , it shows that adults were less prepared which kinda seems Odd. because after heavens fall (15years ago) what happened to the moon. everyone must be running strategies for what they may encounter. so the normal soldiers acting like noobs is kinda odd or they are just noobs who knows...regardless I like the show. |
Aug 3, 2014 5:25 AM
#292
| I really dislike the bad guy type who is always a step ahead for no good reason. He could've never figurered out that Slaine knew the princess was still alive with the informantions he had - only that Slaine was maybe involved in the death of the knight at best but nothing more. The timing with the emperor was even more of a coincedence that didn't make sense, since Slaine used the holodeck communication thingy directly after the blond orbital knight guy came back from talking to the emperor so when exactly did he other guy tell the emperor his lie about Slaine? Even more with him still listening in on the conversation even though he didn't know at all that Slaine would try to contact the emperor at all but it's like he knew Slaine would be there exactly in that one minute. Really disliked the part because now Slaine actually telling the truth made the emperor declear war again and if Slaine wouldn't have said a thing the war would've been stopped and the assassination investigated (the exact thing Slaine wanted the emperor to do). It's like the bad guy had incredible luck with his evil scheme (no actual smart thinking involved) for the sake of the story progression and I just don't like that in a story and a bad guy character. (Sorry, don't remember all the names) And now Slaine is "a problem" to the bad guy? No, he is not. Even though he treats everyone with respect they hate Slaine with a burning passion because of the sole reason he is a Terran. Just tell the blond orbital knight that he is a spy and everyone will be willing to kill him immidiatly and scream "I knew it all along, Terran scum!" while not questioning anything at all. |
| "The fool who believed in miracles now walks among the dead." ~ Blade of the Phantom Master |
Aug 3, 2014 5:38 AM
#293
| really like the episode. Oh, well, Inaho is still Inaho. Slaine still best guy. |
Aug 3, 2014 6:40 AM
#294
strategist26 said: The emperor is weak ~~~~ he said peace and then war immediately. what happened to lets analyze what truly happened?! and shouldn't he also consider the possibility were the knights are bad. I thinkhope he does we will know more in upcoming episodes. If not he is a weak emperor ruled by emotions. I can't help but feel that the kind of emperor who would come up with a religion like that of the martians is DEFINITELY weak and ruled by emotions. |
Aug 3, 2014 7:01 AM
#295
| That first scene caught me off guard. Anyway, the emperor of the Vers empire declared war. It's gonna be action all the time I hope. Inaho is gifted in that kind of combat. Slaine vs Inaho soon. |
Aug 3, 2014 7:12 AM
#296
WhiteWing13 said: strategist26 said: The emperor is weak ~~~~ he said peace and then war immediately. what happened to lets analyze what truly happened?! and shouldn't he also consider the possibility were the knights are bad. I thinkhope he does we will know more in upcoming episodes. If not he is a weak emperor ruled by emotions. I can't help but feel that the kind of emperor who would come up with a religion like that of the martians is DEFINITELY weak and ruled by emotions. Maybe I worded it wrong. What I meant is that the emperor is not consistent. he changed judgements too fast. Im not gonna argue further. The emperor is after all bedridden i.e. weak now :P |
Aug 3, 2014 7:41 AM
#297
| For me, I have a mixed feeling about this anime. I feel that this anime is geared more toward Science/Brainpower/Genius more than War/Politic/Action genre (not totally non-Action or non-War, rather a significant portion of Science+Genius). Rather than engaging in war maneuver and gutsy decision , the protagonist simply demonstrate us how to solve a (non-realistic) physics problems... In this steps: 1) Create a Hypothesis 2) Test your Hypothesis 3) Conclusion. When I say this, I do not mean that an OP robot anime is my War anime. I am a person who enjoy watching historical war documentary, especially WWII, and I have to say that protagonist solving war problem with science is not what usually happens in war. It is usually about: - reality usually never goes according to plan - unplanned, gutsy decision and dilemma - irony, luck, and fate stuff... how every tiny things that happens actually change the course of the war - brutality, bravery, fear, sacrifice, friendship, etc. (From history, Japanese Pearl Harbor fateful mistakes, How Hitler lost his war, How Ally wins at Midway... ) (From history, Radar doesn't work and enemy is on top of you, Delayed launch, Weather, Overconfidence, etc.) On the other hand, this anime up until now is mostly "The person who has a better plan" or "The person who is smarter" is better. I want to see how protagonist react when his plan failed (for e.g, What about a possibility that he misunderstand how their mechs work?). This is what makes war documentary a very unique thing for me, since you can't scientifically predict or even imagine what is going to happen next... |
Aug 3, 2014 8:01 AM
#298
| Inaho is just another Kirito.Im soo tired of this bs. |
Truth4LiesAug 3, 2014 8:13 AM
Aug 3, 2014 8:04 AM
#299
TheUnbiasedOne91 said: Inaho is another Kirito.Im soo tired of this bs. You should watch Mahouka. You'd love it. |
| [size=200]MAL AVATAR SYSTEM BLOWS |
Aug 3, 2014 8:16 AM
#300
DerpHole said: TheUnbiasedOne91 said: Inaho is another Kirito.Im soo tired of this bs. You should watch Mahouka. You'd love it. lol I just watched the main character of this Mahouka and lol same brown hair design |
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