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| To be honest, if I was a police officer, I'd fail. I got sidetracked by the 2-4-3 progression and in reality I even said man and thought of 4-2-3. I would have been angry at how they would miss this detail. However, I looked up and never found this alternate version at all. Seriously, never worked on google. Maybe a personally made riddle. I read in Psychology that in a very traumatic incident, one would have a bad ability to recall the information vividly and seeing how he entered the same day it exploded, no one maybe took note and will only be worried about an explosion. Camera devices will be key and the small notes he planted will play a crucial part. . Also, these kids are masterminds apparently and thinking about it, what if they did it deliberately to get the trail off of them and believe the idea that it's really 4-2-3 and not 2-4-3, reverse psychology. With time working against them, quick assumption is made and anything remotely close will work in their favor.. Plus, the head director looked up Sphinx and the story of Oedipus. Shibasaki looks to be the one who will be up for the challenge. He isn't a slouch and gives off a vibe of looking for every single nook and cranny. Don't forget one IMPORTANT DETAIL EVERYONE.  She hasn't entered the fray and from the PV, she proudly proclaimed the only one to catch the boys. Considering her name's five, she is in the same league and the L of the series or maybe Near. Also, anyone think Shibasaki is Vincent's great, great grandfather from the Cowboy Bebop movie?  One final note, in the first episode, they said Lisa owned eyes like the kids in the institution. Now, does this mean she may play a part? There was a hint at the beginning when she was standing on the number four or the fourth platform to jump from the pool. She may either be number four, or, a foreshadowing that she may die or be the downfall of everyone. Four is pronounced closely to the word death and is superstitious, even Light Yagami has four syllables and was foreshadowing to his downfall. Great cinematography overall. |
| Anyone a bit worried about the tenth episode? It would be the second to last episode and can go two ways, the last episode and the next episode a recap of what happened and the aftermath or the final episode being the very finale. Why am I bringing this up? Checking the calender, it becomes clear. Might have a mind blowing one by this time. Wonder if this is clever planning by Watanabe on his part and thinking all this out. |
TyrelJul 20, 2014 10:25 PM
BRK25 said: To be honest, if I was a police officer, I'd fail. I got sidetracked by the 2-4-3 progression and in reality I even said man and thought of 4-2-3. I would have been angry at how they would miss this detail. However, I looked up and never found this alternate version at all. Seriously, never worked on google. Maybe a personally made riddle. I read in Psychology that in a very traumatic incident, one would have a bad ability to recall the information vividly and seeing how he entered the same day it exploded, no one maybe took note and will only be worried about an explosion. Camera devices will be key and the small notes he planted will play a crucial part. . Also, these kids are masterminds apparently and thinking about it, what if they did it deliberately to get the trail off of them and believe the idea that it's really 4-2-3 and not 2-4-3, reverse psychology. With time working against them, quick assumption is made and anything remotely close will work in their favor.. Plus, the head director looked up Sphinx and the story of Oedipus. Shibasaki looks to be the one who will be up for the challenge. He isn't a slouch and gives off a vibe of looking for every single nook and cranny. Don't forget one IMPORTANT DETAIL EVERYONE. She hasn't entered the fray and from the PV, she proudly proclaimed the only one to catch the boys. Considering her name's five, she is in the same league and the L of the series or maybe Near. Also, anyone think Shibasaki is Vincent's great, great grandfather from the Cowboy Bebop movie? One final note, in the first episode, they said Lisa owned eyes like the kids in the institution. Now, does this mean she may play a part? There was a hint at the beginning when she was standing on the number four or the fourth platform to jump from the pool. She may either be number four, or, a foreshadowing that she may die or be the downfall of everyone. Four is pronounced closely to the word death and is superstitious, even Light Yagami has four syllables and was foreshadowing to his downfall. Great cinematography overall. Makes sense to me on the Lisa front or it could be a combination of a few of those.. Also go with me here on a theory on Nine and Twelve 's true goal. In which they are trying to lure out someone or something and in the process are going to wake up Japan in their own way knowing that if they. Went public in a regular by the books way that they could be hunted or silenced or simply ignored. So they use these extreme method' in a weird way, that was more then likely a result from experimentation's. In which case these actions midly subvert the use of their previous programming and enhanced abilities I'm guessing towards a different goal. An this is them trying to ready the populace for what might happen as a result of what might be lurking in the shadows waiting in Tokyo. Meaning that the institution, was planning something and we're grooming or birthing wolf's in sleeps clothing and used to send a undisclosed amount of child out into the world at a certain age to blend... until a signal. But that was before the escape maybe and something of course went sour and so given their f'd up up bringing and this is their way of warning an overtly playing along with their act to intrigue their real intend targets. Plus Five seems to know about them or have some link to them which might lend some credibility to my theory. Plus if the Lisa thing has any merit then, she could be one of those first wave child. I'm going to call them and like all the others they are not awake yet. An Nine and Twelve don't know it yet and neither does Lisa know herself that she's like them. Which Twelve correctly senses in her. Oh its a little clear that Twelve has his own agenda or he was a plant the entire time to finish the job if the institution fail and to set the plans in motion and Lisa could later on be apart of it or against it, with an surprising unsuspecting Nine for a little bit. Who thinks they are doing all this for the same reasons. Nine and Twelve showdown calling it! |
TyrelJul 20, 2014 10:24 PM
| so far AOTS that ending theme holy shit so intense. |
| I am falling, I am fading, I am drowning, help me to breathe. |
| Great episode again. Nine and Twelve's another youtube video is cool. Twelve is funny with his trolling to Lisa. A riddle with two versions is awesome. They're really brilliant terrorists. The OST is also awesome. I'm falling in love with it. I can't wait for the next episode! |
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| I want to hit Toji in the face for being a jackass to Lisa! She clearly has enough problems on her own, and I thought these two terrorists were going to be somewhat nice to her, but Toji is being a dickface all the way =/ Poor Lisa |
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The police were "dumbed down"; I realized they got the riddle wrong as soon as they started solving it. NO ONE noticed that the terrorists said 2-4-3 not 4-2-3?! Please. Also, as MoeGod said, the video would have probably gone viral. Their voices are there, and I'm pretty sure Twelve's tone and behavior aren't different in the video. Their classmates could spot them. We're not saying they definitely would, but it's a huge risk I don't think brilliant terrorists would dare to take. The L of this anime? Except L was intelligent for real. The second episode of DN is by far better than this. Plus, the police in Death Note had no leads at all. A notebook was killing people with no traces; what did you expect them to do? At least they didn't do something so mind-boggingly stupid like "forget" what was said in the video. Some lines: - "These kids need to stop underestimating adults!" - "Human and DNA... That has to be it!" - "The bombers must be extremely intelligent." Also one scene stood out for me: --------- >Terrorists post a video announcing a blackout at 3PM and their plan to detonate bombs. Next episode. Police: Because of the large-scale blackout that occurred about two hours before the incident, the cameras stopped for a period of time. It is believed that they placed the bombs in the 25 minutes it took for the backup generators to kick in. Someone asks: Excuse me. Is it possible that the suspects were also behind the blackout itself? (IS IT?!) *everyone looks surprised* Police: The special investigation team is following up on that. We are also investigating the people involved with the crane accident that caused the blackout. --------- Really? lol. I mean I'm not saying that DN doesn't have these moments (although I don't remember any to be honest), but the battle of wits between L and Light overshadowed most of the flaws. Death Note spoilers: Also, Light had a clear plan from episode 1. He wanted to clean Earth from people he deemed to be "bad" and create some sort of a utopia. MoeGod and I probably appear as nitpickers because we were asked for much details on our views. Overall, we did not find the episode as smart and intellectual as it was clearly aspiring to be. That's it. I hope it gets better. |
| Ok this series is currently blowing me away, its pacing and atmosphere is simply perfect and the amount of potential for where this is gonna go is crazy. I am extremely interested in twelve as what he said this episode hints that he is the most mentally unstable of the 2 and the more dangerous one. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Another masterfully done episode. I'm really intruiged by the main cast and actually looking forward to see how Risa will develop as a character and influence Nine and Twelve. My only complaint so far is how dumbed down the police was. The message should've been listened to several times and it should've occured to them fairly easily that the riddle was slightly different than the original one. A course of events that felt a bit contrived, but nothing to flip a tit over, really. |
SapewlothJul 20, 2014 1:16 PM
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| I was blown away. Great ep. can't wait for next! |
| I am only curious why these fuckers doing that kind of shit like terror. What is the point of this and what they...want(?) Well, we will see soon. |
 you tellin me mangas aint japanese colouring books |
Tinygiant88 said: Nope. It's an Anime original.Is there a manga or light novel to this anime? |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| I feel really bad for Lisa. I just want to hug her and take her somewhere where she can be happy. I feel like I'm the only one that doesn't like the opening, though... it's not catchy and although I love Yuuki Oozaki's voice, the song sounds... off to me. Either way, I love the show. |
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| Another great episode! Cannot wait for the next one~ I feel really bad about poor Lisa tho |
| Im gettin death note vibes from this. Too bad its only 11 eps. Hopefully the ending isnt rushed, but either way im loving this. |
| How come they got mixed up with 4-2-3 and 2-4-3? I already knew the answer to the first riddle, but not the second one since I haven't heard about the story before. Still as exciting as the first episode, waiting a whole week for the episode is really devastating, for me. Also, both Nine and Twelve smiling after the explosion was awesome! I really loved that. |
| This is what I was expecting for. A good anime. |
 » Escapism. |
| These dudes are pretty smart. I dont know what to think of this anime for now, I need to watch more episodes. |
"I have been wielding a blade since before your were swimming around your father's scrotum." - Kurou |
| ow! Nine and Twelve are serious about cause terror in the country, has not been shown why, but I am very curious as to why they did this and see why they have these names Lisa hardly appeared in this episode, but I think she soon will be part of the terrorist group, found it very interesting the idea of putting terrorists as protagonists this anime in my opinion is one of the most promising this season .. |
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SunkenShip said: The police were "dumbed down"; I realized they got the riddle wrong as soon as they started solving it. NO ONE noticed that the terrorists said 2-4-3 not 4-2-3?! Please. Also, as MoeGod said, the video would have probably gone viral. Their voices are there, and I'm pretty sure Twelve's tone and behavior aren't different in the video. Their classmates could spot them. We're not saying they definitely would, but it's a huge risk I don't think brilliant terrorists would dare to take. Ah, so finally someone who happens to think along the same lines as I do. Did the police just assume that the terrorists goofed up and intended to say 4-2-3 instead of 2-4-3? Why did it not strike them as fishy? Did they seriously think that the terrorists would give away such a big hint by asking them to solve a riddle whose answer can be looked up on the internet? |
BRK25 said: _Rika said: Ah, so finally someone who happens to think along the same lines as I do. Did the police just assume that the terrorists goofed up and intended to say 4-2-3 instead of 2-4-3? Why did it not strike them as fishy? Did they seriously think that the terrorists would give away such a big hint by asking them to solve a riddle whose answer can be looked up on the internet? Even if they solved the riddle, the answer is man. The broad term is too wide to be used well. Think about it, how does one expect to combine man with it? And the 2-4-3 progression is a very specific part of a book and this means the police couldn't get their hands on it. And let's recall in Batman, the Riddler said the same riddle and he twisted it to say baby and is a much far gruesome description. And once again, one might believe this is a ploy to get them to think too hard and use GOOGLE to get the answer and throw them off 2-4-3 when it is their real intention. It may seem like a blunder but in a different thread, the 2-4-3 exist in a obscure book and might be the reason why the police couldn't find it. You may be right, but this is about the course of actions the police took, not what might have happened. It's about their intelligence, or lack thereof. Having a dumb police force feels like a cheap move by the writers just to make the criminals appear smarter than they actually are. But hey, this is episode 2. It's still too early to judge. So far, though, it's not looking so good (to me). |
| Yeah I was wondering why the police didn't catch on to their mistake. Also, video footage, or even new students enrolled in a class who look exactly like the ones depicted in the video, did nobody catch on?? Especially since they established that it's a high-level act of terrorism, at least they should have done some background checks on local schools after concluding that the people from the video resembled students. Nonetheless, I thoroughly enjoyed the first 2 episodes. This summer is just full of surprising good anime! |
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| I find both 12 and 9 incredibly fascinating. Their dispositions are completely different. Where 9 is attributed with coldness, 12 is attributed with fun, play, and ridiculousness. It's interesting that this dichotomy displays itself so early-on, and even matter-of-factly. I sense the intentions of this are to prepare us for some heavy history regarding these two and their different reactions to very similar circumstances. Other then this, I've found myself asking "why?" many times throughout my two sittings of this show. Mostly regarding the Terror aspect. Why are these two kids creating or generating terror on such a grand scale? The generation of terror in humanity is something that simultaneously provokes humanity out of security, and disturbs humanity into a sense of distrust, fear, and anxiety. The escalation of said feelings expands man's emotional body to the point where he relates to new, novel, or in some other way unique information. All in all: When Terror strikes- Man becomes lost, and when Man is lost- he is uncertain, and when Man is uncertain- he is ready to begin searching again for something that is certain. If terror happens to a collective group of people simultaneously, then this same process resonates within the lives of many. I believe this is Terror in Resonance. I'm extremely excited, and ready to deepen my understanding of how this concept- Terror in Resonance- works, and see it played out in the anime. |
| Not too many people are noticing the incompetence of the police except for Shibasaki and the plot holes in the boys' actions like riding a motorcycle in broad daylight where there are cameras and witnesses. |
za21Jul 21, 2014 4:33 PM
| This show has some seriously cool ambience - thumbs up for Yoko Kanno showing that she is in a league of her own as far as soundtracks go. I am really not sure what to think of Lisa yet, though. |
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za21 said: Am I the only one who noticed the incompetence of the police except for Shibasaki and the plot holes in the boys' actions like riding a motorcycle in broad daylight where there are cameras and witnesses. Am I the only one who hates it when people say "am I the only one?". Sorry to quote you specifically, but damn that's annoying. There are people just a few posts ahead saying the same thing. Also, using the same phrase twice was my intention. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3Spectre said: za21 said: Am I the only one who noticed the incompetence of the police except for Shibasaki and the plot holes in the boys' actions like riding a motorcycle in broad daylight where there are cameras and witnesses. Am I the only one who hates it when people say "am I the only one?". Sorry to quote you specifically, but damn that's annoying. Also, using the same phrase twice was my intention. Am I the only one that "insert popular opinion?" No. No you are not. and yes, the police are absolutely incompetent in most animes (especially ones with criminal MCs,) there is no reason to expect this show to be any different. |
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| This thing is going to keep me on the edge of my seat if they don't frick it up all of a sudden, I can already feel it. I like the pacing, animation, sountrack and characters. Good stuff. |
| I really like Lisa as a character, she seems like she has an interesting back story. Plus she's adorable. It was pretty funny when she "learned" that mentos-cola-tea trick! I'm excited to see if she ends up joining the terrorist side or somehow ends up with the police or detectives maybe. |
| Oh good this episode is so epic I can now draw an image for how this anime will look like it's really good my rate for this anime jumped from 7 to 9 now maybe I'll give it 10 later on |
Feyfray said: Am I the only one that "insert popular opinion?" No. No you are not. and yes, the police are absolutely incompetent in most animes (especially ones with criminal MCs,) there is no reason to expect this show to be any different. Loool I'm guilty of using "am I the only one" too but obviously I don't mean it literally. It's more like "are WE the only ones here?" =) Actually, the opinion that the police are dumb clearly isn't a popular one in this thread. I haven't seen many cop shows, but all the ones I've covered had smarter police (ex. Detective Conan, Psycho-Pass, Death Note). They had their moments of incompetence, but really nothing that was very distracting. Most of them were of average intelligence, and some were impressive. Do you have any shows in mind with stupid police forces? where they're the focus of the show? BRK25 said: The police's jobs are to figure out what is going on and move at the slightest clue. If this is CIA and they fuck up, another problem. They don't know about time or if there's a countdown either. They didn't need big brains to figure out they were solving that cheap riddle wrong. I mean we, the audience, figured out they were pulling the wrong thread early on. BRK25 said: However, I can see the 2-4-3 issue but once again, it may be a red herring on purpose to have them go on 4-2-3/ Regardless, Nine wouldn't have used the bomb if the police hadn't fall for the bait. They haven't killed anyone yet and I'm sure no causalities at the police station. This only assured this is all planned out and their inability to know the true intention. And if they had found out, oh well I guess. They don't seem phased. Their plan went perfectly because the show wants it to go perfectly, in the cost of logical plot progression and character actions. I said it before, but I'm guessing the show will want us to side with the terrorists later on when it reveals their tragic backstories. That's why every civilian is invincible now. Again, I hope I'm wrong. I just watched the preview of episode 3, and you're right, it looks like they're picking up. We'll see! |
SunkenShipJul 22, 2014 4:44 AM
| The pacing of the show is pretty good, but it's still Lisa's fault for not going to the police when she knows the identity of the bombers. |
BRK25 said: The police made a wrong move but this is the first episode where they are introduced. If this is a consistent theme without Shibasaki, we got a problem. Hopefully when they see what goes on in the next episode, they'll act far more proactive and cautious. Oh, and if you saw the preview and it wasn't what I posted, can you post links? Sorry if it's the same PV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_464bNtSgaY First impressions are important but you're absolutely right, it could get a lot better. x) |
AfterGlow said: Isn't this shit more or less the same fucking secenes that were featured in the first episode? I'm 10 fucking minutes in, and it's just bullshit I saw in the last episode. Please, explain to me how this is acceptable in any way. scenes* This anime is obviously about terrorism. Just because an explosion happens doesn't mean it's the same as the first episode. |
BRK25 said: AfterGlow said: Isn't this shit more or less the same fucking secenes that were featured in the first episode? I'm 10 fucking minutes in, and it's just bullshit I saw in the last episode. Please, explain to me how this is acceptable in any way. I would like to know what you saw, cause I'm sure we're watching two different things. SunkenShip said: Sorry if it's the same PV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_464bNtSgaY First impressions are important but you're absolutely right, it could get a lot better. x) In honesty, I didn't know about this PV. I'm waiting impatiently for thursday. I can see you dropping this anime by the third episode if things don't go right. But, it looks like things are heading in the right direction and more work is involved. One thing though, no notice about the girl? Where is she? They can't hold her off for too long. ' It's like a condensed version of the first episode. The same things are happening, same scenes that happened in the first episode, but with frantic cuts like you were watching a summary, with maybe 5 minutes of new footage. Is this what anime looks like these days ? :P |
AfterGlow said: It's like a condensed version of the first episode. The same things are happening, same scenes that happened in the first episode, but with frantic cuts like you were watching a summary, with maybe 5 minutes of new footage. Is this what anime looks like these days ? :P Okay, so apparently old footage is someone discussing what is going on, using different camera cuts, new dialogue and expression from the artist. An in depth discussion by the police of the methods done by the terrorists. Oh, and let's not forget we have someone using a mac unlike last time combined with a different explosion site, this is nothing new? Right, this obviously is rehashed.  This isn't shounen where they milk the clock with pointless discussion or camera shots. Not only to add the director wouldn't be the oen to waste time when there is eleven episodes to be done. |
BRK25 said: AfterGlow said: It's like a condensed version of the first episode. The same things are happening, same scenes that happened in the first episode, but with frantic cuts like you were watching a summary, with maybe 5 minutes of new footage. Is this what anime looks like these days ? :P Okay, so apparently old footage is someone discussing what is going on, using different camera cuts, new dialogue and expression from the artist. An in depth discussion by the police of the methods done by the terrorists. Oh, and let's not forget we have someone using a mac unlike last time combined with a different explosion site, this is nothing new? Right, this obviously is rehashed. This isn't shounen where they milk the clock with pointless discussion or camera shots. Not only to add the director wouldn't be the oen to waste time when there is eleven episodes to be done. Well, I just found out I DL:d some BS version made by fans which were pretty much the first ep cut with footage from the second :P |
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BRK25 said: In honesty, I didn't know about this PV. I'm waiting impatiently for thursday. I can see you dropping this anime by the third episode if things don't go right. But, it looks like things are heading in the right direction and more work is involved. One thing though, no notice about the girl? Where is she? They can't hold her off for too long. Hmmm yeah if it doesn't improve at all, I don't see myself watching more. But then again I considered dropping it after the second episode yet here I am still on board lol. I have a feeling she's gonna make an appearance next episode, probably near the end. |
| Very awesome, im only disliking 12.. |
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