No Game No Life (light novel)
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| I don't really buy the logic in this show, but it's honestly really entertaining otherwise. I also have no idea why people are expecting the games to make perfect sense/use real-world logic, as this never felt like a serious show to begin with. |
| Obviously it's not intended to be taken too seriously with all the magic and whatnot, but when a series is based entirely around a pair of geniuses outwitting their opponents through logic, it's kind of expected that its logic would fall under heavier scrutiny than a typical mindless comedy. |
| Enjoyable as always. Jibril is cool. Probably the first likable female character in this show for me. |
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| Oh this thread is still alive :D ? --- So _blank schooled an archangel? Who's next? The God Tits or Teta, Tets-something? I don't know h/er/is name but that game would be epic no doubt. Wow Skyrim is still alive in Japan I bet. I've been playing the game a lot since it was released in 2011. Skyrim is still in the number 10 of most played games on Steam. --- Skyrim Most Played in Steam Source: http://store.steampowered.com/stats Archangel Source: I quote "The Holy Spirit in Islam is mentioned several times in the Quran, and is interpreted by Muslims as referring to the angel Gabriel." Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jibrīl |
Kaioshin_Sama said: That's all I asked for. I'll try to get some material to you on your wall and we can have a back and forth tomorrow since I'm heading off to bed. Like I said I'm down for something like this if there's a remote chance it might lead to an actual reasonable discussion since I actually agree that more specific examples are ultimately necessary in arguments like this, but I'm not going to waste my time on people that demand I spend my time going into more detail and then proceed to insult me. Thanks for having some decency and at least being willing to meet me halfway here. I don't know why so few people get it but that's all I really ask for otherwise I wouldn't be nearly as "condescending" as some people put it. Again you get what you give right :D It's been 24 hours, and yet nothing is provided. Anyways, since I was was way too tempted, I just have to jump into this conversation. So, basically, the main reason why people 'attack' you is the way you say(write) things. You might not have any ill intent, and would be willing to have proper conversation with others, however, the way you word things doesn't reflect that. This is the internet, thus wording is even more important than it is in real life (where mimickry and tone of voice all help interpret meanings). And honestly, every since your first few posts, that you've made, you appeared to me as a prick. Anyways, point is, watch not just what you write, but how you write it. It brings the difference between friendly chatter and flame wars. Also, while in my native language, difference is made between criticizing and critiqueing things, english doesn't really do that, thus the two are considered the same. Thus for most english speakers, you saying things without any explanation, or proof is opinion at best, trolling at worst. |
| This show is mindblown. hahaha And lol at the skyrim reference in the end. |
| "Everyone wears their own panties inside their heart" - Kousaku Hata |
| Very amusing <33 Loved it ! Hope they'll keep it up like this ^^ Hahaha.-.. That Skyrim reference.. Epic ! So much fun ~~ =) |
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| One of the best anime episodes I've ever seen! |
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| Amazing episode, epic game, he planned that out from the beginning!!!!!!!!! The Skyrim reference at the end haha! |
PhinalPhlashMay 18, 2014 7:41 AM
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| Very good episode...loved jibril and hope to see more of her. That skyrim reference in the end. FUS RO DAH!! |
| As much as I think this show is overrated, it manages to impress me each week. It's just an incredibly fun show with stylish animation. |
| Where the hell are my nipples? What's the point of showing me boobies if there are no nipples damn it. CHIKKKKUU SHOOUU!!!! Good episode btw. |
mayukachan said: As much as I think this show is overrated, it manages to impress me each week. It's just an incredibly fun show with stylish animation. If only the fanservice wasn't so excessive. I mean, full nudity (:P) and incest kiss? (circular breathing, yeah,yeah...) But haha, it was good. It's witty and fun, despite everything else. |
| This show made me realize that nipples' role is more important than what i once thought. Just like Himalaya won't be the same without Everest. anyway, that kiss <3 gotta love these siblings |
My DeviantArt and Pixiv and still waiting patiently for a 3rd season of Spice & Wolf :'| |
GreenDrag said: Kaioshin_Sama said: That's all I asked for. I'll try to get some material to you on your wall and we can have a back and forth tomorrow since I'm heading off to bed. Like I said I'm down for something like this if there's a remote chance it might lead to an actual reasonable discussion since I actually agree that more specific examples are ultimately necessary in arguments like this, but I'm not going to waste my time on people that demand I spend my time going into more detail and then proceed to insult me. Thanks for having some decency and at least being willing to meet me halfway here. I don't know why so few people get it but that's all I really ask for otherwise I wouldn't be nearly as "condescending" as some people put it. Again you get what you give right :D It's been 24 hours, and yet nothing is provided. Anyways, since I was was way too tempted, I just have to jump into this conversation. So, basically, the main reason why people 'attack' you is the way you say(write) things. You might not have any ill intent, and would be willing to have proper conversation with others, however, the way you word things doesn't reflect that. This is the internet, thus wording is even more important than it is in real life (where mimickry and tone of voice all help interpret meanings). And honestly, every since your first few posts, that you've made, you appeared to me as a prick. Anyways, point is, watch not just what you write, but how you write it. It brings the difference between friendly chatter and flame wars. Also, while in my native language, difference is made between criticizing and critiqueing things, english doesn't really do that, thus the two are considered the same. Thus for most english speakers, you saying things without any explanation, or proof is opinion at best, trolling at worst. I asked the guy on his wall to start a dialogue and he never responded. I already explained how I'm not going to go and do what the opinion police in this thread want me to do just so they can dismiss it and insult me. I'm not having that discussion with those people. Honestly the real problem here is that the opinion police on this show equate criticism of the show (and yeah I know people really truly think I and some others haven't made any "valid criticism" of the show because they personally dismissed it but whatever, last I checked I don't have to prove anything to one specific person in order for it to be allowed to hold that position or whatever they think is the case) with a personal attack on them and so respond in kind when it's really kind of not the same thing. It just makes people look like angry fanboys when they do that and me not really want to engage them in serious conversation cause I doubt I'll get one. People just can't handle the idea that someone is not going to parrot what they perceive to be the specific and inherent quality of the show back at them and it's pretty ridiculous and immature, but hey that's online anime fandom for you these days. |
PeacingOutMay 18, 2014 11:49 AM
Takuan_Soho said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Honestly the real problem here No, here is the real problem. Read the following post. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1176615&show=80 I am sure you recognize it. You are incapable it seems at just discussing something without leading off on your general attack against the majority of MAL users. Even with a show you love, you HAVE to turn it into how smart you are to appreciate these shows and how stupid everyone else is for liking shows you hate. Post after post, thread after thread, you continue to rant and rave against the "stupid viewers" and you are surprised that people haven't noticed this and call you out on this? This is what people mean when they say its the way you write things. As for your criticism, no they are not valid. That you don't like fanservice is valid, but why then are you watching a show that has, from the start shown it was going to have fanservice. I dislike harem shows, but I don't go to the Infinite Stratos thread to say how crappy I think that show to be. You though do, because you enjoy being attacked because it makes you think you are superior. Here's a clue, you're not. Yeah in threads where people are acting in a manner I perceive is stupid or trivial I have tendency to point it out. I'm not sure why you spend so much time telling me this since I already know. That said can I consult you in the future whenever I have a criticism of something in order to see if it's valid or not? I've come to understand that you seem to be the one in charge of deciding on those things or at the very least are an expert on it so I'd appreciate the advice. |
| Ok...that was pretty sick! And man that Skyrim joke.. XD One thing I hate is how they abuse Steph, I mean they made her explode! I hope this stops. Hopefully Jibril stays a fun, likable and intelligent character unlike Steph who became a joke. |
Caleb8980 said: Kaioshin_Sama said: GreenDrag said: Kaioshin_Sama said: That's all I asked for. I'll try to get some material to you on your wall and we can have a back and forth tomorrow since I'm heading off to bed. Like I said I'm down for something like this if there's a remote chance it might lead to an actual reasonable discussion since I actually agree that more specific examples are ultimately necessary in arguments like this, but I'm not going to waste my time on people that demand I spend my time going into more detail and then proceed to insult me. Thanks for having some decency and at least being willing to meet me halfway here. I don't know why so few people get it but that's all I really ask for otherwise I wouldn't be nearly as "condescending" as some people put it. Again you get what you give right :D It's been 24 hours, and yet nothing is provided. Anyways, since I was was way too tempted, I just have to jump into this conversation. So, basically, the main reason why people 'attack' you is the way you say(write) things. You might not have any ill intent, and would be willing to have proper conversation with others, however, the way you word things doesn't reflect that. This is the internet, thus wording is even more important than it is in real life (where mimickry and tone of voice all help interpret meanings). And honestly, every since your first few posts, that you've made, you appeared to me as a prick. Anyways, point is, watch not just what you write, but how you write it. It brings the difference between friendly chatter and flame wars. Also, while in my native language, difference is made between criticizing and critiqueing things, english doesn't really do that, thus the two are considered the same. Thus for most english speakers, you saying things without any explanation, or proof is opinion at best, trolling at worst. I asked the guy on his wall to start a dialogue and he never responded. I already explained how I'm not going to go and do what the opinion police in this thread want me to do just so they can dismiss it and insult me. I'm not having that discussion with those people. Yeah I'm sorry for that :-( Wasn't your fault but mine. Got an a** full of work the last two days, so I always was only on for around 10 minutes and then logged off. Once again, sorry. No worries, I'm not in a huge rush myself for obvious reasons, I was just explaining things to others who are trying to make a stink out of it on my end of our exchange though for some reason I doubt it helps much. :( People have other things to do and lives outside of the internet and I'm very far from the type to demand that people instantly drop whatever they are doing to address any requests of their time I might have (I was just planning on having a friendly back and forth with someone for a change) so take all the time you need getting back to me on that subject. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: I asked the guy on his wall to start a dialogue and he never responded. I already explained how I'm not going to go and do what the opinion police in this thread want me to do just so they can dismiss it and insult me. I'm not having that discussion with those people. Honestly the real problem here is that the opinion police on this show equate criticism of the show (and yeah I know people really truly think I and some others haven't made any "valid criticism" of the show because they personally dismissed it but whatever, last I checked I don't have to prove anything to one specific person in order for it to be allowed to hold that position or whatever they think is the case) with a personal attack on them and so respond in kind when it's really kind of not the same thing. It just makes people look like angry fanboys when they do that and me not really want to engage them in serious conversation cause I doubt I'll get one. People just can't handle the idea that someone is not going to parrot what they perceive to be the specific and inherent quality of the show back at them and it's pretty ridiculous and immature, but hey that's online anime fandom for you these days. There is no opinion policing here, tbh. Mostly people just going up and trolling others with the "I'm hating this show, because it's the cool thing to do" attitude, saying some one-two lines of bashing of the show, and some overenthusiastic, blind fan countering to that. (I hold that opinion, because no proof to the contrary has been provided, ever). Also, before you go around saying, that someone is attacking you, check who you're talking about. Both Takuan and Caleb have been patiently trying to pry some form of intelligent discussion out of you for a while, yet you treat them like blind fanboys. Which they aren't, from what I can tell. And before you bring it up, it's you, who started acting like a prick first, so getting treated as one shouldn't surprise you. Nonetheless, could we bring the mood around here a good two notches down, before some mod decides to go ham in here? Also, still eagerly awaiting your reasons for disliking AND BASHING the show (merely disliking it means little, tbh, but coming back here, repeatedly, and acting like this show is the incarnation of anti-Christ is [I may have used a slight overexaggeration there]) If you don't wish to do that, then stop acting like a troll, baiting people. Or you could just keep up your trollish ways, really... But then don't be shocked, and start acting like a victim, if noone takes you seriously any longer. |
| another amazing episode! |
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gamer5 said: Kaioshin I still don't see replies to any of my posts which address pretty much every detail of your comments on NGNL. Ignoring people's posts is not nice - especially if they bothered to reply to you. Until I see an solid answer to my posts then. I'm not talking to you about this because I frankly don't like you very much and for the umpteenth time am fully aware that it's just a bait trap so that you can tell me what an idiot you think I am and how wrong I am. I'm not nearly that stupid and gullible and have no time for people like that sorry. I did however respond to Caleb and some of his thoughts on his wall since he decided he wanted to have a real conversation so feel free to read that if you want by all means. |
PeacingOutMay 18, 2014 3:25 PM
| ~That was totally awesome!~ At first I thought this anime was really going off the deep end, this episode kinda sucked and there was way too much fan service >:P but then ending was great and genius, as usual! |
| I wasn't originally planning to watch this anime. Now, I can't wait for Wednesday! |
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| Well, this episode was way too absurd with this guy and his pseudo imba knowledge and pseudo tactics to counter anything. It's ridiculous! This anime is even worst than SAO... -.- Remember the rock-paper-scissors episode with the superior claptrap? This guy is too overpowered and it's getting boring.. No character development. |
Z3noNMay 18, 2014 8:39 PM
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| Whoever is the author/creator of this probably has one of the best minds/imagination ever. That was a fantastic episode. |
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ImTheGuy said: Whoever is the author/creator of this probably has one of the best minds/imagination ever. That was a fantastic episode. Can't agree. It's just a stupid pseudo anime like sao with serious flaws in story structure and character design. |
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Z3noN said: Well, this episode was way too absurd with this guy and his pseudo imba knowledge and pseudo tactics to counter anything. It's ridiculous! This anime is even worst than SAO... -.- Remember the rock-paper-scissors episode with the superior claptrap? This guy is too overpowered and it's getting boring.. No character development. They already beat God once. Why would you expect him to lose at any point in time, it would make zero sense. |
| So what did Jibril do exactly when they removed the atmosphere so there was no sound? Did she telepathically say empty head academic or magic write the words in front of her? Also the thing with Sora having what she said on the paper, why did it disappear first before him flipping it over to Culoumb force? |
Omegadark said: As far as I understood at least, since she was unfamiliar with the Japanese language she didn't know any Kanji, however since Sora showed her the Kanji for 'anjaku' (TL'd as Empty-headed academic) and explained what it meant to her a bit earlier on in the game, it was consequently the only Kanji she'd know how to write (also she was sure to use it as a burn to showcase her superiority due to the words meaning). Therefore he knew that she would write it and had thus prepared Coulomb force as the counter move.So what did Jibril do exactly when they removed the atmosphere so there was no sound? Did she telepathically say empty head academic or magic write the words in front of her? Also the thing with Sora having what she said on the paper, why did it disappear first before him flipping it over to Culoumb force? As far as how she wrote it, well we can only take for granted that it was her magic, and why the words on Sora's paper disappeared was presumably because it was something that 'existed'. Since the Kanji for the word 'existed' in there, it 'disappeared' when it was mentioned in the game. Or at least that's how I figured it worked, not saying any of that has to be correct. |
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| wow fav episode so far this show is EPIC |
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mbdsquad said: yeah Himalaya would still have a different peak if Everest didn't existChoroshi said: This show made me realize that nipples' role is more important than what i once thought. Just like Himalaya won't be the same without Everest. anyway, that kiss <3 gotta love these siblings You mean Everest and Himalayas without their peak. |
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HaXXspetten said: Omegadark said: As far as I understood at least, since she was unfamiliar with the Japanese language she didn't know any Kanji, however since Sora showed her the Kanji for 'anjaku' (TL'd as Empty-headed academic) and explained what it meant to her a bit earlier on in the game, it was consequently the only Kanji she'd know how to write (also she was sure to use it as a burn to showcase her superiority due to the words meaning). Therefore he knew that she would write it and had thus prepared Coulomb force as the counter move.So what did Jibril do exactly when they removed the atmosphere so there was no sound? Did she telepathically say empty head academic or magic write the words in front of her? Also the thing with Sora having what she said on the paper, why did it disappear first before him flipping it over to Culoumb force? As far as how she wrote it, well we can only take for granted that it was her magic, and why the words on Sora's paper disappeared was presumably because it was something that 'existed'. Since the Kanji for the word 'existed' in there, it 'disappeared' when it was mentioned in the game. Or at least that's how I figured it worked, not saying any of that has to be correct. To be clear, Jibril used the magic, that made her up, basically her own life-force to write that, because she had all other elemental (basically mana) taken away from both her, and the world around her. And she had some mana in her, because at the end of the day, she is a being created through magic, and mana to her is like oxygen for humans. Though she relies less on the intake, when compared to humans... Just putting it out there, before someone tries to call that a "gaping plothole". |
Caleb8980 said: Kaioshin_Sama said: snip Now, how am I supposed to answer to this? xD But well for the people who wanted you to point out what you found wrong this is service :D So I will try to stand by for this discussion as much as possible as it would be nonsense to argue with you here and on our walls. Yeah you know what, deleting it cause again I have no desire for that discussion with those people and just hear them bleet on about how wrong I am about everything. Not a smart post to be making public admittedly. I'll probably save it somewhere for posterity's sake though cause it at least helps me to clarify my thoughts on the show further. I'll just say instead that I've come to understand that some people just seem to value big dumb in your face have some tits and cool sounding speeches entertainment anime a lot more than I do, but that I'm looking for something a whole lot more than what No Game No Life currently offers both on it's premise and the execution (Not really Madhouses fault as I do think they're making the absolute most of some really average material) if I'm going to find a reason to really single out and praise a show. |
PeacingOutMay 19, 2014 8:32 AM
| I gotta say, this episode was the best so far!!! It had everything I came to enjoy on the anime! Plus great animation!!! Also did anyone else got that quote on the preview of the next episode? Arrow on the knee from Skyrim!! xD |
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Takuan_Soho said: asteroidvx said: and there was way too much fan service >:P Normally I would agree with you, but I think there is a world of difference between shows that use fanservice because they have nothing else, and shows that use fanservice as a self-referential joke. I would put this show into the latter camp (Kenzen Robo Daimidaler is another example of this). So much truth and awesomeness. This is EXACTLY what I thought after watching this episode and it made me like this show even more. Anyhow I would shake the hands of the producers for this one. Above the fact that it is good entertainment, this show is one of the few I've ever watched to send a positive message without sounding cliche or too smart ass. This episode showed it best. Also, what is particularly a masterpiece move is the ED. That ED completes the whole picture, just because it's on a completely different note than the series. Not to mention that although I love the incest thingy, this brotherxsister love is just too awesome and above incest crap. Trully one show worth of greatness. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Caleb8980 said: Kaioshin_Sama said: snip Now, how am I supposed to answer to this? xD But well for the people who wanted you to point out what you found wrong this is service :D So I will try to stand by for this discussion as much as possible as it would be nonsense to argue with you here and on our walls. Yeah you know what, deleting it cause again I have no desire for that discussion with those people and just hear them bleet on about how wrong I am about everything. Not a smart post to be making public admittedly. I'll probably save it somewhere for posterity's sake though cause it at least helps me to clarify my thoughts on the show further. I'll just say instead that I've come to understand that some people just seem to value big dumb in your face have some tits and cool sounding speeches entertainment anime a lot more than I do, but that I'm looking for something a whole lot more than what No Game No Life currently offers both on it's premise and the execution (Not really Madhouses fault as I do think they're making the absolute most of some really average material) if I'm going to find a reason to really single out and praise a show. That's fine and all, but don't just go calling a show "average" or "bad" just because it doesn't fit your standards. Not all shows have to be super smart to be good, and No Game No Life is one of them. Anime is entertainment, there doesn't have to be a "message" or "something to learn" in all of them. |
Morridine said: Takuan_Soho said: asteroidvx said: and there was way too much fan service >:P Normally I would agree with you, but I think there is a world of difference between shows that use fanservice because they have nothing else, and shows that use fanservice as a self-referential joke. I would put this show into the latter camp (Kenzen Robo Daimidaler is another example of this). So much truth and awesomeness. This is EXACTLY what I thought after watching this episode and it made me like this show even more. Anyhow I would shake the hands of the producers for this one. Above the fact that it is good entertainment, this show is one of the few I've ever watched to send a positive message without sounding cliche or too smart ass. Not to mention that although I love the incest thingy, this brotherxsister love is just too awesome and above incest crap. This episode showed it best. What sort of positive message is that? All I'm getting from this show is that if you don't feel like dealing with the real world some fantasy world might just be waiting for you that will recognize the genius you feel you are and bend over backwards to accommodate your situation. Also hawt princesses will become your slave and you can treat them like shit and humiliate them because they have social skills and accomplished things in their life and actually care about trying to do things to help other people and we can't have that because you've gotta show up all those people that remind you of other people that may have had a better life than you. This show goes out of it's way to basically show how Sora is pretty much an awful person on a power trip that can now always get his way and stick it to the man and to me that's an awful message if anything being sent cause it basically is saying this is the sort of person the author feels the viewer is supposed to identify with. It's probably my biggest problem with the whole show is that I just cannot even begin to relate with this main character who just seems like such a scumbag in a wish fulfillment story line getting to have his revenge on a society that isn't even the one that supposedly rejected him back home when he clearly had all the talent in the world to make something of himself but for some reason chose not to because he was too busy playing games. It pretty much just dies by it's MC IMO. Also your bit about the brotherxsister thing makes very little sense to me. You say you love the incest thing, but then say it's above any incest crap? I feel like there's two thought processes going on at the same time here. Solkiskey said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Caleb8980 said: Kaioshin_Sama said: snip Now, how am I supposed to answer to this? xD But well for the people who wanted you to point out what you found wrong this is service :D So I will try to stand by for this discussion as much as possible as it would be nonsense to argue with you here and on our walls. Yeah you know what, deleting it cause again I have no desire for that discussion with those people and just hear them bleet on about how wrong I am about everything. Not a smart post to be making public admittedly. I'll probably save it somewhere for posterity's sake though cause it at least helps me to clarify my thoughts on the show further. I'll just say instead that I've come to understand that some people just seem to value big dumb in your face have some tits and cool sounding speeches entertainment anime a lot more than I do, but that I'm looking for something a whole lot more than what No Game No Life currently offers both on it's premise and the execution (Not really Madhouses fault as I do think they're making the absolute most of some really average material) if I'm going to find a reason to really single out and praise a show. That's fine and all, but don't just go calling a show "average" or "bad" just because it doesn't fit your standards. Not all shows have to be super smart to be good, and No Game No Life is one of them. Anime is entertainment, there doesn't have to be a "message" or "something to learn" in all of them. No but it doesn't make a show an epic masterpiece either. I'm all for fun shows, I just see so many areas where this has tons of room for improvement particularly in the characters which just kind of suck IMO. Everything else about it is at least passable to some extent. |
PeacingOutMay 19, 2014 8:44 AM
Kaioshin_Sama said: Caleb8980 said: Kaioshin_Sama said: snip Now, how am I supposed to answer to this? xD But well for the people who wanted you to point out what you found wrong this is service :D So I will try to stand by for this discussion as much as possible as it would be nonsense to argue with you here and on our walls. Yeah you know what, deleting it cause again I have no desire for that discussion with those people and just hear them bleet on about how wrong I am about everything. Not a smart post to be making public admittedly. I'll probably save it somewhere for posterity's sake though cause it at least helps me to clarify my thoughts on the show further. I'll just say instead that I've come to understand that some people just seem to value big dumb in your face have some tits and cool sounding speeches entertainment anime a lot more than I do, but that I'm looking for something a whole lot more than what No Game No Life currently offers both on it's premise and the execution (Not really Madhouses fault as I do think they're making the absolute most of some really average material) if I'm going to find a reason to really single out and praise a show. That's just your opinion, other people find it above average or great. It's not your place to determine the work's quality to other people. |
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Kaioshin_Sama said: Morridine said: Takuan_Soho said: asteroidvx said: and there was way too much fan service >:P Normally I would agree with you, but I think there is a world of difference between shows that use fanservice because they have nothing else, and shows that use fanservice as a self-referential joke. I would put this show into the latter camp (Kenzen Robo Daimidaler is another example of this). So much truth and awesomeness. This is EXACTLY what I thought after watching this episode and it made me like this show even more. Anyhow I would shake the hands of the producers for this one. Above the fact that it is good entertainment, this show is one of the few I've ever watched to send a positive message without sounding cliche or too smart ass. Not to mention that although I love the incest thingy, this brotherxsister love is just too awesome and above incest crap. This episode showed it best. What sort of positive message is that? All I'm getting from this show is that if you don't feel like dealing with the real world some fantasy world might just be waiting for you that will recognize the genius you feel you are and bend over backwards to accommodate your situation. Also hawt princesses will become your slave and you can treat them like shit and humiliate them because they have social skills and accomplished things in their life and actually care about trying to do things to help other people and we can't have that because you've gotta show up all those people that remind you of other people that may have had a better life than you. This show goes out of it's way to basically show how Sora is pretty much an awful person on a power trip that can now always get his way and stick it to the man and to me that's an awful message if anything being sent cause it basically is saying this is the sort of person the author feels the viewer is supposed to identify with. It's probably my biggest problem with the whole show is that I just cannot even begin to relate with this main character who just seems like such a scumbag in a wish fulfillment story line getting to have his revenge on a society that isn't even the one that supposedly rejected him back home when he clearly had all the talent in the world to make something of himself but for some reason chose not to because he was too busy playing games. It pretty much just dies by it's MC IMO. Also your bit about the brotherxsister thing makes very little sense to me. You say you love the incest thing, but then say it's above any incest crap? I feel like there's two thought processes going on at the same time here. Yes, I love the incest thingy, generally. I'm allowed to fantasize right? I say "above all the incest crap" though because incest in anime generally is very bad, hence the crap word, and because I don't really see incest goign on here, which makes me regain a bit of trust in humanity simply because incestualization of everything is such a big temptation in anime industry that makes you look at them as babies unable to refrain from sucking their toes simply because they feel they need to. Other than that, maybe I have come to an age where I see things in many other colors than just black and white and realize that as long as you pick your words carefully you can prove/argue about anything. I work in one such field myself, where selling something beats any other reason/morale whatever. Anime industry is no different, it will always have a target public that will try to reach and will always come in a shiny pack aka graphics, art, call it even fanservice although I don't like the generalization that this word's use implies nowadays. But all this is not relevant at all and I don't really understand how it can make some people so mad. What is important is what personally reaches you, what you can pick and consider valuable from a show that you watch. This, however, is strongly, if not essentially, bound to the kind of person you are and, more exactly, the kind of experiences you had in your life. Because based on your personal experiences, you receive and decode whatever message proves to be a sensitive matter for you. And then you can ask "so if everything is just your interpretation, what is the merit of the anime exactly"? Well, it is. To me it might have been the way they chose their ED. It's the contrast of the characters between ED and actual episodes that made everything so obvious about how they actually are and why they are acting the way the way they do and why Sora seems such a prick. On a very personal note, about the positive message. It is really just bound to my experience. I am such a gamer myself and always have been. Feeling crap, being afraid of the world and having my own set of values while also being selfish and self centered - that's me. Or was or I don't know, obviously a lot has changed for me too in the past several years, if you must know. It is my experience that taught me that even people who seem mean and disrespectful might have more baggage behind than you could ever bear or imagine. It's not like they have any merits for it, but it is something as real as everything else and it is something that gives birth to other things, other behaviors etc. What really reached to me as positive message is that no matter how harsh the world looks to you, the fact that you are in this crisis does not define who you are. And what I particularly liked was that the show chose to depict both the characters as very intelligent human beings, actually. Not some dumb trash having the excuse that they are funny or pitiful, the kind of shutins you usually see in all the shows dealing with hikikomoris. Because if there is any very big trouble you run into when you get to be a bit of a shutin is that you start losing confidence in yourself and in your skills, in your ability to be a normal, independent, intelligent person. You may call it wish fulfillment for shutins, I think someone already said this. But really I don't see this show doing this. Because looking back at what happened to me, is just this: there comes a point, if you are lucky I assume, where you discover what you excel in and you are able to prove to everyone but mostly to yourself that there is no need to be afraid, because there are many paths to walk and they all lead forward, no matter how unusual or special or whatever. And further on, you don't really have to be "nice" to get the "princess" unless you are resuming ourselves to a kind of world that works based on reward vs punishment system. And I really don't think that's the case, no matter how sad or unjust the reality is, the point is you can make it work, somehow. Also, If you may even consider to forward and argument that sounds something like "yeas but this is a terrible poor of example, to make a character achieve something by being a jerk" then I will answer you that I at least am mature enough to be compassionate and to discern good from bad, something I think Sora and Shirou have not achieved yet but may achieve, or so it looks like. So does my answer satisfy you ?:) |
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