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Mar 26, 2014 2:05 PM
#151
Maybe I should wait couple of months without watching new episodes and then fast forward through them. I just don't care what happens in this arc anymore. I think I'm developing allergy to that narrator too. |
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Mar 26, 2014 2:36 PM
#152
Each RG has a lot of depth in his own way. Pitou, for example. His attitude change from sadist to caring, from this enthusiastic and energetic being to a more subdued and concerned person. And this is not permanent. Pitou is being selfless and selfish at the same time. He too, could tip either way at any time, given the circumstances. We are getting two sides struggling in their own way to get to their goals. I want to write about the other 2 RGs and the King, but I'm too lazy now. :-P In my opinion, these 4 villains are the one of the best developed villains in anime, ever. Coming from a genre where villains are either very static or formulaic. Where the closest thing to development I could hope for is the tsundere trope. |
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Mar 26, 2014 3:28 PM
#153
soundscape said: That's not how it is, the anime or the subtitles failed that part, what Meruem really said was "Come, the only thing you can hope to exchange with me are words." which was way more badass when he said it in the manga.GuusWayne said: What a ripoff, everything togashi does is taken from some other series, it's not even interesting to point them out anymore Valid criticism as usual from you.... Let's sit down and discuss about it... But please use words if you want to influence me.... |
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Mar 26, 2014 3:39 PM
#154
GuusWayne said: soundscape said: That's not how it is, the anime or the subtitles failed that part, what Meruem really said was "Come, the only thing you can hope to exchange with me are words." which was way more badass when he said it in the manga.GuusWayne said: What a ripoff, everything togashi does is taken from some other series, it's not even interesting to point them out anymore Valid criticism as usual from you.... Let's sit down and discuss about it... But please use words if you want to influence me.... And what does that have to do with "everything togashi does is taken from some other series" ?!! |
Mar 26, 2014 3:45 PM
#155
Don1Joker said: What does me addressing a wrongly written post have to do with the one before it?GuusWayne said: soundscape said: That's not how it is, the anime or the subtitles failed that part, what Meruem really said was "Come, the only thing you can hope to exchange with me are words." which was way more badass when he said it in the manga.GuusWayne said: What a ripoff, everything togashi does is taken from some other series, it's not even interesting to point them out anymore Valid criticism as usual from you.... Let's sit down and discuss about it... But please use words if you want to influence me.... And what does that have to do with "everything togashi does is taken from some other series" ?!! |
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Mar 26, 2014 4:04 PM
#156
judals said: Each RG has a lot of depth in his own way. Pitou, for example. His attitude change from sadist to caring, from this enthusiastic and energetic being to a more subdued and concerned person. And this is not permanent. Pitou is being selfless and selfish at the same time. He too, could tip either way at any time, given the circumstances. We are getting two sides struggling in their own way to get to their goals. I want to write about the other 2 RGs and the King, but I'm too lazy now. :-P In my opinion, these 4 villains are the one of the best developed villains in anime, ever. Coming from a genre where villains are either very static or formulaic. Where the closest thing to development I could hope for is the tsundere trope. I wouldn't say Pitou has changed into anything. The sole reason she is healing Komugi is for the King, and it is still all for the King. The only one who one could say strays from that is Youpi by not killing the defeated hunters, but yet he still makes his own priority the King. The King remains the one with the greatest change due to Komugi, but he still has a ways to go. I still wish that Netero would take the time to talk, but old wisdom knows that it wouldn't change anything. Still, he is an outstanding villain of the series. |
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Mar 26, 2014 4:54 PM
#157
If people are in doubt whether to make the effort and wait a few weeks or just watch HxH weekly, I highly recommend waiting. If 25 mins isn't enough for you to get into the HxH world like me, wait 3 weeks and treat yourself with a one hour special of HxH. I just did that and it was fucking awesome. Watchiing it weekly just led me to not care about the characters and complain at everything. If you're not caring for Gon or Netereo or the King or w/e, wait n watch. |
Mar 26, 2014 5:01 PM
#158
I find myself agreeing with the King's philosophy, and his ultimate goal of equality. Here's a creature that was born with power, and can obviously back it up. Having to witness people in positions of power who are clearly underserving of said positions, it's easy to understand why he'd find it so absurd. Hell, it's a lot like how the world works today. The weak and poor get oppressed. It's really interesting to see the King care about all this, and it goes all the way back to when he met that one leader. But now his feelings are even stronger. All thanks to one little frail gungi player. :) Really loved what Netero had to say about the King being caught in between an ant and a human. He's definitely one of Togashi's most interesting villains. As a matter of fact, he's always been good at making awesome villains. I remember thinking this when I was a young teen while watching Yu Yu Hakusho on Toonami, and here I am in my late twenties watching Hunter x Hunter and it's the same thing. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the rest of the fight between these two. |
Mar 26, 2014 5:43 PM
#159
tsudecimo said: It only showed the Buddha statue like I said, nothing about the stance and how the power works. I'm kind surprised that Chiriku's was anime only. Whoever came up with it, should have worked with Kishi. If you're asking about how the technique works and how it's connected to the hand movements and such, You're answer is that it happened at the very start of the invasion when Netero attacked Pitou at chapter 264: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v25/c264/12.html The statue itself wasn't shown, but it was an emitter attack from it. Also this chapter was released on November 17th, 2007. So it was before that Shippuden filler episode which was realsed on August 28th, 2008. |
MSVMar 26, 2014 8:38 PM
Mar 26, 2014 7:51 PM
#160
MSV said: tsudecimo said: It only showed the Buddha statue like I said, nothing about the stance and how the power works. I'm kind surprised that Chiriku's was anime only. Whoever came up with it, should have worked with Kishi. If you're asking about how the technique works and how it's connected to the hand movements and such, You're answer is that it happened at the very start of the invasion when Netero attacked Pitou at chapter 264: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v25/c264/12.html The statue itself wasn't shown, but it was an emitter attack from it. Also this chapter was released on November 17th, 2007. So it was before that Shippuden filler episode which was realsed on August 28th, 2008. Yes I found it silly that there's even these 'who rips off who' talk to begin with (trolling or not), and people making a big deal out of it (and an obvious few who's determine to undermine HxH in any opportunity they get out of stupid spite or grudge). It must be a cultural thing because there's rarely dispute like this in the Asian HxH fan forums, because Buddhism imagery is so common, it's just something most people there grew up with. The 'Buddha" behind Netero is Guanyin with the thousand hand...basic google search brings you a tons of images and video: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Quan_Am_1656.jpg http://thumb7.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/619663/619663,1304447772,1/stock-photo-guan-yin-with-ten-thousand-hands-76557964.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgHmSdpjEIk Figure like this is just part of the culture, it's a symbol of mercy and it's not that original (but certainly a well written stance and setup that goes well with Netero's background and characterization, and certainly very nicely design and looked epic). It's so familiar in the East that no one bat an eye there and will silly enough to lay claim which Japanese mangaka or anime came up with it first or not...that's just giving TOO much credit to pop culture. Because classic Chinese literature has already appropriate it in entertainment form for years (Sword Fantasy novels, classic fantasy novel Journey to the West) etc. |
Mar 26, 2014 8:41 PM
#161
RedRoseFring said: judals said: Each RG has a lot of depth in his own way. Pitou, for example. His attitude change from sadist to caring, from this enthusiastic and energetic being to a more subdued and concerned person. And this is not permanent. Pitou is being selfless and selfish at the same time. He too, could tip either way at any time, given the circumstances. We are getting two sides struggling in their own way to get to their goals. I want to write about the other 2 RGs and the King, but I'm too lazy now. :-P In my opinion, these 4 villains are the one of the best developed villains in anime, ever. Coming from a genre where villains are either very static or formulaic. Where the closest thing to development I could hope for is the tsundere trope. I wouldn't say Pitou has changed into anything. The sole reason she is healing Komugi is for the King, and it is still all for the King. The only one who one could say strays from that is Youpi by not killing the defeated hunters, but yet he still makes his own priority the King. The King remains the one with the greatest change due to Komugi, but he still has a ways to go. I still wish that Netero would take the time to talk, but old wisdom knows that it wouldn't change anything. Still, he is an outstanding villain of the series. Well what you wouldn't say doesnt change much about it. |
GrunbeldMar 26, 2014 9:22 PM
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Mar 26, 2014 9:16 PM
#162
kcaco said: MSV said: tsudecimo said: It only showed the Buddha statue like I said, nothing about the stance and how the power works. I'm kind surprised that Chiriku's was anime only. Whoever came up with it, should have worked with Kishi. If you're asking about how the technique works and how it's connected to the hand movements and such, You're answer is that it happened at the very start of the invasion when Netero attacked Pitou at chapter 264: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v25/c264/12.html The statue itself wasn't shown, but it was an emitter attack from it. Also this chapter was released on November 17th, 2007. So it was before that Shippuden filler episode which was realsed on August 28th, 2008. Yes I found it silly that there's even these 'who rips off who' talk to begin with (trolling or not), and people making a big deal out of it (and an obvious few who's determine to undermine HxH in any opportunity they get out of stupid spite or grudge). It must be a cultural thing because there's rarely dispute like this in the Asian HxH fan forums, because Buddhism imagery is so common, it's just something most people there grew up with. The 'Buddha" behind Netero is Guanyin with the thousand hand...basic google search brings you a tons of images and video: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Quan_Am_1656.jpg http://thumb7.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/619663/619663,1304447772,1/stock-photo-guan-yin-with-ten-thousand-hands-76557964.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgHmSdpjEIk Figure like this is just part of the culture, it's a symbol of mercy and it's not that original (but certainly a well written stance and setup that goes well with Netero's background and characterization, and certainly very nicely design and looked epic). It's so familiar in the East that no one bat an eye there and will silly enough to lay claim which Japanese mangaka or anime came up with it first or not...that's just giving TOO much credit to pop culture. Because classic Chinese literature has already appropriate it in entertainment form for years (Sword Fantasy novels, classic fantasy novel Journey to the West) etc. Yet all the japa go crazy about how DBZ'creared' aura. |
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Mar 26, 2014 10:00 PM
#163
GuusWayne said: Don1Joker said: What does me addressing a wrongly written post have to do with the one before it?GuusWayne said: soundscape said: That's not how it is, the anime or the subtitles failed that part, what Meruem really said was "Come, the only thing you can hope to exchange with me are words." which was way more badass when he said it in the manga.GuusWayne said: What a ripoff, everything togashi does is taken from some other series, it's not even interesting to point them out anymore Valid criticism as usual from you.... Let's sit down and discuss about it... But please use words if you want to influence me.... And what does that have to do with "everything togashi does is taken from some other series" ?!! Is the same in the manga, the only difference is that is divided by two text globes. |
Mar 27, 2014 3:24 AM
#164
Antanaru said: Maybe I should wait couple of months without watching new episodes and then fast forward through them. I just don't care what happens in this arc anymore. I think I'm developing allergy to that narrator too. I know. It is so damn annoying, that narrator has to explain every single thing. And this arc is sooooooooo slow and loooooong! I like the Ant King, but jeez, who gives a crap about Knuckle or Shoot or that octupus???? And Gon suddenly acting like a complete Jackass for no reason is really off putting. Also, am I supposed to be rooting for the Ant King to win, because that's where I'm at right now. I don't give a crap about that old man who can't even have a discussion with the Ant King for whatever cheap reason...oooh he has pressure from some bug squashing guy or we just need to see them fight for fan service. I thought this old hunter leader guy was supposed to be wise or something? I hope the Ant King kicks his ass. |
ReadyJoanMar 27, 2014 3:35 AM
Mar 27, 2014 3:42 AM
#165
This narrator stuff is getting way too hypocritical, this one definitely did not 'state' the obvious or whatnot. How was it obvious that pitou was getting gon to focus on the narrative? His ulterior motives are supposed to be told. If they had pitou interrupt himself and say it it would be not as good. But regardless of preferences, the fact still stands that if there were no narrator, the characters would convey the message anyway. It would not go away, because of the information. Seems like people are just bandwagoning the narrator hate to look smart. And here come Jehovah's witnesses knocking at my door for being honest. ReadyJoan said: Antanaru said: Maybe I should wait couple of months without watching new episodes and then fast forward through them. I just don't care what happens in this arc anymore. I think I'm developing allergy to that narrator too. I know. It is so damn annoying, that narrator has to explain every single thing. And this arc is sooooooooo slow and loooooong! I like the Ant King, but jeez, who gives a crap about Knuckle or Shoot or that octupus???? And Gon suddenly acting like a complete Jackass for no reason is really off putting. I do. |
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Mar 27, 2014 3:43 AM
#166
judals said: This narrator stuff is getting way too hypocritical, this one definitely did not 'state' the obvious or whatnot. How was it obvious that pitou was getting gon to focus on the narrative? His ulterior motives are supposed to be told. If they had pitou interrupt himself and say it it would be not as good. Seems like people are just bandwagoning the narrator hate to look smart. And here come Jehovah's witnesses knocking at my door for being honest. ReadyJoan said: Antanaru said: Maybe I should wait couple of months without watching new episodes and then fast forward through them. I just don't care what happens in this arc anymore. I think I'm developing allergy to that narrator too. I know. It is so damn annoying, that narrator has to explain every single thing. And this arc is sooooooooo slow and loooooong! I like the Ant King, but jeez, who gives a crap about Knuckle or Shoot or that octupus???? And Gon suddenly acting like a complete Jackass for no reason is really off putting. I do. good for you. |
Mar 27, 2014 3:46 AM
#167
ReadyJoan said: judals said: This narrator stuff is getting way too hypocritical, this one definitely did not 'state' the obvious or whatnot. How was it obvious that pitou was getting gon to focus on the narrative? His ulterior motives are supposed to be told. If they had pitou interrupt himself and say it it would be not as good. Seems like people are just bandwagoning the narrator hate to look smart. And here come Jehovah's witnesses knocking at my door for being honest. ReadyJoan said: Antanaru said: Maybe I should wait couple of months without watching new episodes and then fast forward through them. I just don't care what happens in this arc anymore. I think I'm developing allergy to that narrator too. I know. It is so damn annoying, that narrator has to explain every single thing. And this arc is sooooooooo slow and loooooong! I like the Ant King, but jeez, who gives a crap about Knuckle or Shoot or that octupus???? And Gon suddenly acting like a complete Jackass for no reason is really off putting. I do. good for you. Thanks. |
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Mar 27, 2014 3:47 AM
#168
What happened to Netero's voice? |
Mar 27, 2014 3:48 AM
#169
Issakusakuya said: voice actor died. New one now.What happened to Netero's voice? |
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Mar 27, 2014 3:53 AM
#170
judals said: Issakusakuya said: voice actor died. New one now.What happened to Netero's voice? Wow, that's depressing. |
Mar 27, 2014 4:54 AM
#171
Netero's attack looked epic, but it doesn't look like he's much of a match for the king there. And may his voice actor RIP :( |
Mar 27, 2014 6:36 AM
#172
so... damn... good |
Mar 27, 2014 8:00 AM
#173
ReadyJoan said: Antanaru said: Maybe I should wait couple of months without watching new episodes and then fast forward through them. I just don't care what happens in this arc anymore. I think I'm developing allergy to that narrator too. I know. It is so damn annoying, that narrator has to explain every single thing. And this arc is sooooooooo slow and loooooong! I like the Ant King, but jeez, who gives a crap about Knuckle or Shoot or that octupus???? And Gon suddenly acting like a complete Jackass for no reason is really off putting. Also, am I supposed to be rooting for the Ant King to win, because that's where I'm at right now. I don't give a crap about that old man who can't even have a discussion with the Ant King for whatever cheap reason...oooh he has pressure from some bug squashing guy or we just need to see them fight for fan service. I thought this old hunter leader guy was supposed to be wise or something? I hope the Ant King kicks his ass. It is exactly because he is wise that he doesn't want to talk to Meruem.... Creating a world of equality??? By using fear, death and dictatorship.... by eradicating lots of people??? And he will be the one to decide who si worthy or not??? Didn't we already have those kind of attempts in our history???? It is shallow and can never work... Netero knows this... also even if Meruem leans towards more human or more ant side it doesn't matter, he still will kill lots of people.... Also Netero is on a genoside mission with political, social and enviromental implications here... He is afraid of being swayed and is starting to have doubts only because he realizes Meruem potential of a fast growth adn evolution which in the future might bring something good to humanity and the world (but because he can't be swayed is another reason why he doesn't want to talk).... Also don't agree with your claims about Gon and narration. You can call it fan service and no need to think things over and pay attention actually... |
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Mar 27, 2014 12:44 PM
#174
judals said: kcaco said: Figure like this is just part of the culture, it's a symbol of mercy and it's not that original (but certainly a well written stance and setup that goes well with Netero's background and characterization, and certainly very nicely design and looked epic). It's so familiar in the East that no one bat an eye there and will silly enough to lay claim which Japanese mangaka or anime came up with it first or not...that's just giving TOO much credit to pop culture. Because classic Chinese literature has already appropriate it in entertainment form for years (Sword Fantasy novels, classic fantasy novel Journey to the West) etc. Yet all the japa go crazy about how DBZ'creared' aura. DBZ did not have any attack that appropriated Buddhism imagery, hence no unfamiliar western fans who thought it's some original concept and argue back and forth to lay claims which manga/anime did 'attack with Buddha imagery'. So it's your part of missing the point and respond irrelevantly. |
Mar 27, 2014 2:19 PM
#175
its about time! |
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Mar 27, 2014 2:23 PM
#176
Finally Netero got his Gold Experience, also Meruem was fucking badass this episode. |
Mar 27, 2014 3:07 PM
#177
Mar 28, 2014 12:53 AM
#178
"In the next life I want to be me so I can meet Killua again!" -"Baaaka!" Haha, Gon is so cute! |
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Mar 28, 2014 4:46 AM
#179
soundscape said: ReadyJoan said: Antanaru said: Maybe I should wait couple of months without watching new episodes and then fast forward through them. I just don't care what happens in this arc anymore. I think I'm developing allergy to that narrator too. I know. It is so damn annoying, that narrator has to explain every single thing. And this arc is sooooooooo slow and loooooong! I like the Ant King, but jeez, who gives a crap about Knuckle or Shoot or that octupus???? And Gon suddenly acting like a complete Jackass for no reason is really off putting. Also, am I supposed to be rooting for the Ant King to win, because that's where I'm at right now. I don't give a crap about that old man who can't even have a discussion with the Ant King for whatever cheap reason...oooh he has pressure from some bug squashing guy or we just need to see them fight for fan service. I thought this old hunter leader guy was supposed to be wise or something? I hope the Ant King kicks his ass. It is exactly because he is wise that he doesn't want to talk to Meruem.... Creating a world of equality??? By using fear, death and dictatorship.... by eradicating lots of people??? And he will be the one to decide who si worthy or not??? Didn't we already have those kind of attempts in our history???? It is shallow and can never work... Netero knows this... also even if Meruem leans towards more human or more ant side it doesn't matter, he still will kill lots of people.... Also Netero is on a genoside mission with political, social and enviromental implications here... He is afraid of being swayed and is starting to have doubts only because he realizes Meruem potential of a fast growth adn evolution which in the future might bring something good to humanity and the world (but because he can't be swayed is another reason why he doesn't want to talk).... Also don't agree with your claims about Gon and narration. You can call it fan service and no need to think things over and pay attention actually... There's no reason he can't sit there and talk to the Ant King. Maybe he could make the Ant King see reason. He doesn't know that wouldn't work! The Ant King JUST SAID that he changed his mind, how does he know that he couldn't persuade him further into being non violent? He doesn't know that. I'm saying he is not wise for only trying to fight him and not try to talk to him first, especially since he doesn't know if he can win the fight. His heart is being swayed, what does that even mean? He has no control over his own feelings? I thought he was supposed to be this master who meditated for years? He agreed to go somewhere else to fight him, he didn't use that girl as a hostage against the ant king but left her to be healed and now all of a sudden all he can do is fight even though the ant king is refusing to fight and wants to talk???? It MAKES NO SENSE! And ya Gon is acting like a total jerk. Why did he say that stuff to Killua out of nowhere, just to insult him? Why? How long did he even know Kite for him to get so upset that his whole personality has changed? Why would he risk of the life of an innocent girl just so he could get his own revenge? Having to narrate everything = bad story telling. Show don't tell. |
ReadyJoanMar 28, 2014 5:02 AM
Mar 28, 2014 5:27 AM
#180
ReadyJoan said: soundscape said: ReadyJoan said: Antanaru said: Maybe I should wait couple of months without watching new episodes and then fast forward through them. I just don't care what happens in this arc anymore. I think I'm developing allergy to that narrator too. I know. It is so damn annoying, that narrator has to explain every single thing. And this arc is sooooooooo slow and loooooong! I like the Ant King, but jeez, who gives a crap about Knuckle or Shoot or that octupus???? And Gon suddenly acting like a complete Jackass for no reason is really off putting. Also, am I supposed to be rooting for the Ant King to win, because that's where I'm at right now. I don't give a crap about that old man who can't even have a discussion with the Ant King for whatever cheap reason...oooh he has pressure from some bug squashing guy or we just need to see them fight for fan service. I thought this old hunter leader guy was supposed to be wise or something? I hope the Ant King kicks his ass. It is exactly because he is wise that he doesn't want to talk to Meruem.... Creating a world of equality??? By using fear, death and dictatorship.... by eradicating lots of people??? And he will be the one to decide who si worthy or not??? Didn't we already have those kind of attempts in our history???? It is shallow and can never work... Netero knows this... also even if Meruem leans towards more human or more ant side it doesn't matter, he still will kill lots of people.... Also Netero is on a genoside mission with political, social and enviromental implications here... He is afraid of being swayed and is starting to have doubts only because he realizes Meruem potential of a fast growth adn evolution which in the future might bring something good to humanity and the world (but because he can't be swayed is another reason why he doesn't want to talk).... Also don't agree with your claims about Gon and narration. You can call it fan service and no need to think things over and pay attention actually... There's no reason he can't sit there and talk to the Ant King. Maybe he could make the Ant King see reason. He doesn't know that wouldn't work! The Ant King JUST SAID that he changed his mind, how does he know that he couldn't persuade him further into being non violent? He doesn't know that. I'm saying he is not wise for only trying to fight him and not try to talk to him first, especially since he doesn't know if he can win the fight. His heart is being swayed, what does that even mean? He has no control over his own feelings? I thought he was supposed to be this master who meditated for years? He agreed to go somewhere else to fight him, he didn't use that girl as a hostage against the ant king but left her to be healed and now all of a sudden all he can do is fight even though the ant king is refusing to fight and wants to talk???? It MAKES NO SENSE! And ya Gon is acting like a total jerk. Why did he say that stuff to Killua out of nowhere, just to insult him? Why? How long did he even know Kite for him to get so upset that his whole personality has changed? Why would he risk of the life of an innocent girl just so he could get his own revenge? Having to narrate everything = bad story telling. Show don't tell. Gon knew Kite since episode 1 you can watch first episode of 1999 ,that was Madhouse mistake.... Even without that it is still understandable (he feels guitly for Kite who saved his life, who was his mentor and the only figure that was even close to be considered as his father also he has connection to Ging) .... Why would he insult Killua??? Because he is blinded by rage and emotions...because he is a kid with little life experience.... because he sees things in black and white and has faked up take on morality....and much much more if you pay attention... Not interested on expanding on Netero and his motivations... Meditation is clearly transforming people into gods.... We just have different perspective and understand motivations and emotions differently. Stay cool. Nice talking to you even if we disagree. |
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Mar 28, 2014 5:53 AM
#181
soundscape said: ReadyJoan said: Antanaru said: Maybe I should wait couple of months without watching new episodes and then fast forward through them. I just don't care what happens in this arc anymore. I think I'm developing allergy to that narrator too. I know. It is so damn annoying, that narrator has to explain every single thing. And this arc is sooooooooo slow and loooooong! I like the Ant King, but jeez, who gives a crap about Knuckle or Shoot or that octupus???? And Gon suddenly acting like a complete Jackass for no reason is really off putting. Also, am I supposed to be rooting for the Ant King to win, because that's where I'm at right now. I don't give a crap about that old man who can't even have a discussion with the Ant King for whatever cheap reason...oooh he has pressure from some bug squashing guy or we just need to see them fight for fan service. I thought this old hunter leader guy was supposed to be wise or something? I hope the Ant King kicks his ass. It is exactly because he is wise that he doesn't want to talk to Meruem.... Creating a world of equality??? By using fear, death and dictatorship.... by eradicating lots of people??? And he will be the one to decide who si worthy or not??? Didn't we already have those kind of attempts in our history???? It is shallow and can never work... Netero knows this... also even if Meruem leans towards more human or more ant side it doesn't matter, he still will kill lots of people.... Also Netero is on a genoside mission with political, social and enviromental implications here... He is afraid of being swayed and is starting to have doubts only because he realizes Meruem potential of a fast growth adn evolution which in the future might bring something good to humanity and the world (but because he can't be swayed is another reason why he doesn't want to talk).... Also don't agree with your claims about Gon and narration. You can call it fan service and no need to think things over and pay attention actually... soundscape said: ReadyJoan said: Antanaru said: Maybe I should wait couple of months without watching new episodes and then fast forward through them. I just don't care what happens in this arc anymore. I think I'm developing allergy to that narrator too. I know. It is so damn annoying, that narrator has to explain every single thing. And this arc is sooooooooo slow and loooooong! I like the Ant King, but jeez, who gives a crap about Knuckle or Shoot or that octupus???? And Gon suddenly acting like a complete Jackass for no reason is really off putting. Also, am I supposed to be rooting for the Ant King to win, because that's where I'm at right now. I don't give a crap about that old man who can't even have a discussion with the Ant King for whatever cheap reason...oooh he has pressure from some bug squashing guy or we just need to see them fight for fan service. I thought this old hunter leader guy was supposed to be wise or something? I hope the Ant King kicks his ass. It is exactly because he is wise that he doesn't want to talk to Meruem.... Creating a world of equality??? By using fear, death and dictatorship.... by eradicating lots of people??? And he will be the one to decide who si worthy or not??? Didn't we already have those kind of attempts in our history???? It is shallow and can never work... Netero knows this... also even if Meruem leans towards more human or more ant side it doesn't matter, he still will kill lots of people.... Also Netero is on a genoside mission with political, social and enviromental implications here... He is afraid of being swayed and is starting to have doubts only because he realizes Meruem potential of a fast growth adn evolution which in the future might bring something good to humanity and the world (but because he can't be swayed is another reason why he doesn't want to talk).... Also don't agree with your claims about Gon and narration. You can call it fan service and no need to think things over and pay attention actually... "It is exactly because he is wise that he doesn't want to talk to Meruem" Uh. What? If anything, wise people would hear another out. That's Netero's problem here: he's too fixated and convinced on an assumption that could change at any time. He comes in with the preconceived notion that the King is evil and/or to be eliminated based on what is given, and won't think about it again. He won't think differently. I mean, is Netero in harm's way so much that talking with Meruem could harm the mission? Not rhetorical, just asking the question. 'Cause, look, he won't have any real way to say what Meruem is really planning 'cause he won't know it. He hasn't talked with him yet. He can't make any pre conceived assumptions. He doesn't know the King; there's even no guarantee that's what Meruem is thinking. We know nothing of it - his plan - beyond a casual explanation. And if Meruem ends up with a plan exactly like Netero thought, he could also use the conversation to sway and persuade Meruem to think differently. That's what discussions, that's what talking is for. Just something I thought of though. |
Mar 28, 2014 6:04 AM
#182
Do people even understand what "show don't tell" even mean? The scene was about Pitou narrating the story to gon. How would they 'show' it? By having Pitou personally say it? Still narration. By using flashbacks? Still narration. In this case, telling is showing. Also, how would they 'show' the internal feelings and emotions? The scene with Youpi was a few minutes, how would they "show" how he felt... give him some seizure or something? Netero doesn't want to talk because talk no jutsu won't work. Sorry. There's no reasoning with someone who sees humans as livestock. Have we ever had people who preached about not killing the cows in our world? We call them vegetarians, and cows still get killed. A newborn ant with naive ideas, at least according to him. And he just said why he can't sit and talk, he was commissioned by governments to assassinate him. Regardless of his own feelings or whether the King ends up being more ant-like or human, he has to kill him. They said a dozen episodes ago that it's okay if only 1 out of these 4 ants die... as long as that's the king, and the rest of the extermination group (who's job was literally "separate the guards from the king") fails can be dealt with later. I don't see how sparing the girl contradicts with... anything. It does feel weird that the Chairman is so sure of winning, just like how the hunters were last episode... like I said there must be something going on. |
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Mar 28, 2014 6:04 AM
#183
I was watching this, full expecting to enjoy it, since I really liked it in the manga. Why madhouse why. Why did they change how the first attack went. It was simply just Netero's hand movement, then immediately after it he chopped the King. That's why it was unexpected and why the King didn't see it coming. But in the anime, Netero took his sweet time to do it. It makes no sense for the King not to avoid it in the anime. The same goes for the second attack. I'm also not really liking Netero's new voice actor, he makes Netero feel like a different character all together. R.I.P original VA. Well the good decision imo, is that they decided to give the whole episode and the next one hopefully, to the King vs Netero, as opposed to the manga, where they showed it, with the ending of Youpi's fight at the same time. |
Mar 28, 2014 6:12 AM
#184
tsudecimo said: I was watching this, full expecting to enjoy it, since I really liked it in the manga. Why madhouse why. Why did they change how the first attack went. It was simply just Netero's hand movement, then immediately after it he chopped the King. That's why it was unexpected and why the King didn't see it coming. But in the anime, Netero took his sweet time to do it. It makes no sense for the King not to avoid it in the anime. The same goes for the second attack. I'm also not really liking Netero's new voice actor, he makes Netero feel like a different character all together. R.I.P original VA. Well the good decision imo, is that they decided to give the whole episode and the next one hopefully, to the King vs Netero, as opposed to the manga, where they showed it, with the ending of Youpi's fight at the same time. The next one is Octobro dedicated though. |
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Mar 28, 2014 6:14 AM
#185
@Moonlit-striker Do you even watch the episode? Where did your belief that Netero considers Meruem evil come from? Did you even not see where he says the King is between 2 sides ant-human and taht he doesn't even realize that both are incompatible...but no matter which side he falls in the outcome will be the same....meaning it doesn't even matter if he is good or evil...Did you put any thought to that or what that means or what is the outcome? Did you even read that in my post that you quoted or ignored it? Wise people are exacltly wise because they take wise actions in any given situation.... And in this situation the wise action is to fight (if you actually will consider the whole situation and overall picture here not only individual outlines)... Meruem just told him what he is thinking on doing... what are you talking about? Of course it is bad for the mission..... You can never have 2 "monarchs" can you? Also Netero doesn't have much time for discussion either you will have to see why though.... And other reasons of why he can't talk were pointed out in the previous post (also just think about the current world order and political/social structure and who gave Netero his orders and why.... think about the implications there not only for Netero or Hunter's Organization) |
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Mar 28, 2014 6:16 AM
#186
tsudecimo said: I was watching this, full expecting to enjoy it, since I really liked it in the manga. Why madhouse why. Why did they change how the first attack went. It was simply just Netero's hand movement, then immediately after it he chopped the King. That's why it was unexpected and why the King didn't see it coming. But in the anime, Netero took his sweet time to do it. It makes no sense for the King not to avoid it in the anime. The same goes for the second attack. I'm also not really liking Netero's new voice actor, he makes Netero feel like a different character all together. R.I.P original VA. Well the good decision imo, is that they decided to give the whole episode and the next one hopefully, to the King vs Netero, as opposed to the manga, where they showed it, with the ending of Youpi's fight at the same time. Actually the attack was in a fraction of a second...time froze.... We can clearly deduce taht and see it (in the animation itself Meruem's face froze) based on Netero's past and attack in the episode 111.... |
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Mar 28, 2014 6:27 AM
#187
Moonlit-Striker said: "It is exactly because he is wise that he doesn't want to talk to Meruem" Uh. What? If anything, wise people would hear another out. That's Netero's problem here: he's too fixated and convinced on an assumption that could change at any time. He comes in with the preconceived notion that the King is evil and/or to be eliminated based on what is given, and won't think about it again. He won't think differently. I mean, is Netero in harm's way so much that talking with Meruem could harm the mission? Not rhetorical, just asking the question. There's your answer. Wise not as in making some god-given correct answer, but as in being a cynical old man whose experiences taught him to realize what notions like these bring. Hence why I consider it grey. 'Cause, look, he won't have any real way to say what Meruem is really planning 'cause he won't know it. He hasn't talked with him yet. He can't make any pre conceived assumptions. He doesn't know the King; there's even no guarantee that's what Meruem is thinking. We know nothing of it - his plan - beyond a casual explanation. And if Meruem ends up with a plan exactly like Netero thought, he could also use the conversation to sway and persuade Meruem to think differently. That's what discussions, that's what talking is for. Just something I thought of though. 1) He knows, the King considers himself on top of the food chain, this little compromise of selecting who he wants to spare isn't gonna do. And like I said in my post above, we all know too well this isn't gonna change. The king's duality makes him conflicted, at any moment, he could tip either way, and whatever argument he had with whichever side is moot. 2) He did not consider him evil. Just a threat, regardless of which nature he adopts. He specifically said that HE is the one doing the dirty work. Again, not so black and white. 3) If the show was battle-hungry, this whole invasion would have turned out differently. But ironically the wise decision to not discuss things with this King specifically. |
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Mar 28, 2014 6:34 AM
#188
soundscape said: Actually the attack was in a fraction of a second...time froze.... We can clearly deduce taht and see it (in the animation itself Meruem's face froze) based on Netero's past and attack in the episode 111.... I realize that but that wasn't in the manga. Time didn't freeze per se, in the manga or at least that what interpreted from it. The King saw the hand movements and then got chopped in an instant. In the anime, after the hand movements, we see the king watching that yellow aura expanding and the statue forming, for a while, until he finally gets chopped. I don't know, I guess it's not a big deal, but I thought the added scenes, ruined that moment. Because it was supposed to be shocking, fast and unexpected for the reader as well. http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/44/27-288.0/compressed/hunter_10.jpg?v=11227773808 http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/44/27-288.0/compressed/hunter_11.jpg?v=11227773808 http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/44/27-288.0/compressed/hunter_12_13.jpg?v=11227773808 |
Mar 28, 2014 6:50 AM
#189
Really amazing episode, just what I want to see, the beginning of an epic battle. But I'm starting to think that this fight will end with no true winner, even if I highly want Netero to win. Now, I hope we will see Gon vs Pitou very soon, just like him, I'm starting to run out of patience too xD |
Mar 28, 2014 7:02 AM
#190
@tsudecimo Yea you might be right but it's not that big of a deal.... still we can understand it's faaaaaast :) |
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Mar 28, 2014 2:36 PM
#191
tsudecimo said: Pretty much the same thing happened with ep. 115, where things were waaay slower than they needed to be/already were in the manga, just so they could do something special for the episode that followed. (I'm sure that'll apply here as well.)But in the anime, Netero took his sweet time to do it. It makes no sense for the King not to avoid it in the anime. The same goes for the second attack. |
Mar 28, 2014 2:44 PM
#192
GalekC said: tsudecimo said: Pretty much the same thing happened with ep. 115, where things were waaay slower than they needed to be/already were in the manga, just so they could do something special for the episode that followed. (I'm sure that'll apply here as well.)But in the anime, Netero took his sweet time to do it. It makes no sense for the King not to avoid it in the anime. The same goes for the second attack. Time stopped when Netero attacked. They made it slow for effect. |
Mar 28, 2014 2:51 PM
#193
Lol, almost forgot that Netero got a new VA. Quite good but yeah it's slightly too serious i guess? I'll get used to it though! Amazing ep, Meruem best antagonist ever. :') and that buddha power thing was unique indeed. 4/5 |
Mar 29, 2014 4:44 AM
#195
The Ant King is incredibly powerful. If talking could convince him, which he does not know it wouldn't, then talking is the wise thing to do, esp when he has to bait him into even fighting at all. Even if he's been hired by somebody to kill him, he just said in this episode that they plan to make the hunter association take the blame for all of it. Someone said how do you show internal feelings without narration. I'm talking about the NARRATOR not their inner monologue. Inner monologue is fine. The narration is what annoys me. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so constant. As for Gon, up til now he has been a pretty happy go lucky kid and moral. He met Kite when he was little, he did not know him. It's not like he grew up with him or anything. I get Gon likes him, I like Kite too, but he was not in the show that much for Gon to have this much of an overwhelming emotional reaction. I mean, what would Gon do if something happened to Killua?? Go apeshit and kill everyone in a three block radius bc he's soooo blinded by rage? If Gon knew Kite more than that in the original show/manga, ok, but I'm only watching this show and that's where my judgment is coming from. |
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Mar 29, 2014 5:48 AM
#196
I think Netero doesn't give a damn about who's right or wrong politically. Things change. And if it's time for the ants to be the dominant species, then so be it. He just want to have a one last damn good fight. ^_^ To go out in a bang... literally. If I remember it correctly, it's Netero who allowed a mad murderer like Hisoka to take the hunter exam when the chairperson before him didn't. |
Mar 29, 2014 6:22 AM
#197
ReadyJoan said: The Ant King is incredibly powerful. If talking could convince him, which he does not know it wouldn't, then talking is the wise thing to do, esp when he has to bait him into even fighting at all. Even if he's been hired by somebody to kill him, he just said in this episode that they plan to make the hunter association take the blame for all of it. Someone said how do you show internal feelings without narration. I'm talking about the NARRATOR not their inner monologue. Inner monologue is fine. The narration is what annoys me. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so constant. As for Gon, up til now he has been a pretty happy go lucky kid and moral. He met Kite when he was little, he did not know him. It's not like he grew up with him or anything. I get Gon likes him, I like Kite too, but he was not in the show that much for Gon to have this much of an overwhelming emotional reaction. I mean, what would Gon do if something happened to Killua?? Go apeshit and kill everyone in a three block radius bc he's soooo blinded by rage? If Gon knew Kite more than that in the original show/manga, ok, but I'm only watching this show and that's where my judgment is coming from. Respected opinion. I disagree, we have different persepctives and understanding of things. Nice talking to you though. Just don't have the time to continue the pointless debate, my points have been made. |
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Mar 29, 2014 12:48 PM
#198
ReadyJoan said: Well then, watching this might feel like a lost cause.If Gon knew Kite more than that in the original show/manga, ok, but I'm only watching this show and that's where my judgment is coming from. |
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Mar 30, 2014 1:48 AM
#199
GalekC said: ReadyJoan said: Well then, watching this might feel like a lost cause.If Gon knew Kite more than that in the original show/manga, ok, but I'm only watching this show and that's where my judgment is coming from. Is it that bad of an adaptation?? |
Mar 30, 2014 1:49 AM
#200
soundscape said: ReadyJoan said: The Ant King is incredibly powerful. If talking could convince him, which he does not know it wouldn't, then talking is the wise thing to do, esp when he has to bait him into even fighting at all. Even if he's been hired by somebody to kill him, he just said in this episode that they plan to make the hunter association take the blame for all of it. Someone said how do you show internal feelings without narration. I'm talking about the NARRATOR not their inner monologue. Inner monologue is fine. The narration is what annoys me. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so constant. As for Gon, up til now he has been a pretty happy go lucky kid and moral. He met Kite when he was little, he did not know him. It's not like he grew up with him or anything. I get Gon likes him, I like Kite too, but he was not in the show that much for Gon to have this much of an overwhelming emotional reaction. I mean, what would Gon do if something happened to Killua?? Go apeshit and kill everyone in a three block radius bc he's soooo blinded by rage? If Gon knew Kite more than that in the original show/manga, ok, but I'm only watching this show and that's where my judgment is coming from. Respected opinion. I disagree, we have different persepctives and understanding of things. Nice talking to you though. Just don't have the time to continue the pointless debate, my points have been made. Ok, have a good one. |
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