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Mar 22, 2014 1:41 AM
#301
Mar 22, 2014 3:43 AM
#302
^ Wow that Kaname hate. I personally think it took the cake from all the other couples and will probably keep it. LiMaKuS said: AnimeFish2219 said: I have a question, why is everyone saying Sayu X Kaname is now a couple and in full sail or whatever? Don't get me wrong they are my OTP, but didn't Kaname just say that he will stop looking at her as a kid and as a girl his age? I don't know if they are officially a 'couple' just by that... Maybe I missed something, and please no rude replies haha, just wondering Especially, perhaps because of the frustration he decided to take SAyu He just said he will try to give it a shot. I think its the best fucking natural answer in that situation. What would YOU reply if it was you? AirStyles said: How about Akira?! That kid is awesome! That kid managed to annoy me more than Manaka at her best, thats really something :D |
Mar 22, 2014 3:51 AM
#303
I'm somehow annoyed by Chisaki, but I don't hate her anyway. When I rewatch some of the scene in this episode , I cried when I see Kaname and Sayu scene. The way Kaname cry and said that he is lonely make me feels for him. Also , that Hikari and Miuna's scene T______T the thing Miuna thought about the thing she can do for Hikari made me cry T__T too many feels in this episode T____T |
Mar 22, 2014 3:56 AM
#304
Shicchi said: Ongaku008 said: Tony777 said: Thess said: kisschuu said: Tony777 said: tingy said: It was hinted that Chisaki had minor feelings for Tsumugu pre-timeskip, even Kaname noted it in this episode during his conversation with Chisaki. It just happened so that Chisaki was the only left of the surface and lived with Tsumugu, which only led to her minor feelings for him change into something more. Given this information, I don't see how it feels like Chisaki was forced to fall for him? Yeah, could you please support this claim? Before the Ofunehiki event, there was not even the slightest hint that Chisaki had any feelings for Tsumugu. This was also the same for Tsumugu. Specific episodes and at its time point will do. I have to agree with Tony777, where are specific instances where there was hinted feelings. I mean, it could be entirely possible Chisaki did harbor small feelings for Tsumugu but I don't remember hints. I just remember the Ofunehiki happening and Chisaki crying over Tsumugu and being totally like: "why did she react that way?" and was caught off guard. The only major interaction I remember between them was when she was talking to Tsumugu by the sea and he said something -I don't remember- and she ran away and was mad. Or early on when she told Tsumugu to like stop making Manaka like him, something or other can't quite recall specifically. Episode 2, episode 4, episode 5 (where she opened up to him), episode 9 (where Kaname started getting jealous), episode 12 and episode 13 (Where Chisaki ignored everyone except Tsumugu in the end). She was ready to move on from Hikari and then the tragedy made her feel guilty. Did Chisaki or Tsumugu, have any feeling towards one another before the Ofunehiki event? Lets find out. Episode 2: A quick thought came into Chisaki mind (18:38 - 18:56). That thought was if Manaka disappeared Hikari would be hers. Chisaki and Tsumugu starts talking (19:01 - 19:55). The conversation ends up being about the watering hole and Manaka. Chisaki says to herself "Please (tsumugu) don't be so kind to Manaka anymore...Manaka has..Hikari". Basically, Chisaki explains, if Manaka falls in love with Tsumugu, she will get banish from the village and Manaka will lose Hikari. Chisaki and Tsumugu only talk twice (9:09 - 9:29, 19:01 - 19:55) in episode 2 and there is no indication or hint, that Chisaki or Tsumugu develops feelings for one another. Episode 4: Tsumugu starts talking to Chisaki (7:49 - 8:20). The conversation is about Hikari and the two classmates saying their food smells like fish. It ends with Chisaki saying a negative comment to Tsumugu. Chisaki and Tsumugu only talk once (7:49 - 8:20) in episode 4 and there is no indication or hint, that Chisaki or Tsumugu develops feelings for one another. Episode 5: Chisaki starts talking to herself about dealing with her feelings towards Hikari, then she gets into a conversation with Tsumugu (3:36 - 5:22). The conversation is about Hikai, Manaka hears it and runs off. Chisaki and Tsumugu only talk once (7:49 - 8:20) in episode 5 and there is no indication or hint, that Chisaki or Tsumugu develops feelings for one another. Episode 9: Tsumugu steadies Chisaki from fallling (10:59 - 13:11). With Chisaki's ena dried out, Tsumugu takes her by the sea and from there they start their conversation. c: Thanks for earlier. I'm okay now, don't worry. So you can head back. t: Do you still need a sea slug? c: No I don't. I don't need one anymore. t: Does that mean you're giving up on Hikari. Why? c: Why? Because I have to change... So... t: So that's "What" change means to you? c: I mean, that's what it means to become an adult, right? You can't keep thinking about yourself, and you have to keep moving forward. t: So that's why you're neglecting your feelings. c: What? t: Because you can't forgive how you are right now. c: Tsumugu, you don't... You don't understand anything. t: I don't dislike how you are right now. After this, she gets upset and leaves. As she is swimming, she says "I really hate tsumugu". It's a moody comment, she doesn't mean it. So far, this is the closest interaction between Tsumugu and Chisaki. Does anywhere in their chat, give any indication or hint, feelings for each other? I would say no. One could point out what Tsumugu said "I don't dislike how you are right now". Does this comment give any feeling of "love" or "like"? Again, I would say no. I think it's more of a mutual comment. I would argue what Tsumugu said to Manaka during Episode 1 is more of a Hit on Line. t: I never seen something more beautiful. The scales on the fish are very unique. m: oh, the fish... t: And you. *As he touches the side of her face* It's far more blunt than what he said to Chasaki during episode 9. Chisaki and Tsumugu only talk once (10:59 - 13:11) in episode 9 and there is no indication or hint, that Chisaki or Tsumugu develops feelings for one another. Episode 12: Tsumugu, Manaka and Chisaki are at the store together (5:00 - 5:50). Tsumugu and Chisaki bump sholders. Chisaki kinda of blushes and backs off a bit. They go on, pick out clothes. In anime, this is a girls normal reaction. I still don't think it gives any indication of Chisaki feelings towards Tsumugu. Simply, she just recognizes him as a guy. This episode, Chisaki shows more feelings towards Hikari and none towards Tsumugu. Kaname shows feelings towards Chisaki. Tsumugu shows no feelings at all. Chisaki and Tsumugu only talk three times (5:00 - 5:50, 5:51 - 6:48, 10:27 - 11:50) in episode 12 and there is no indication or hint, that Chisaki or Tsumugu develops feelings for one another. Episode 13: Kaname starts talking to Chisaki (8:18 - 9:35). This conversation should dismantle any claims of Chisaki having feelings towards Tsumugu before the Ofunehiki event. k: Morning, Chisaki. c: Kaname... k: So they properly sent you off. c: Yeah, They said to do my best in the Ofunehiki. k: Thank goodness. I was worried. c: What about you, Kaname? Did everything go okay? k: It's the first time we ever had a huge fight. Somewhat worked things out in the end, though. c: I see. But I'm glad. You were working really hard preparing for the Ofunehiki. k: I was just doing whatever I could so I'd have more opportunities to be together with you. c: Huh? k: You know, Chisaki... You might have had your hands full with your feelings for Hikari. But I did actually confess to you, too. c: Of course I didn't forget. I am really thinking about it. k: Even if we do end up asleep and wake up at different times, the fact that I love you won't change. Just don't forget that. c: Kaname... Kaname points out Chisaki has had her eyes on Hikari the entire time. Chisaki jumps in after Tsumugu, and Kaname helps her out (17:23 - 19:45). Chisaki holds Tsumugu close. (at this point, Kaname sees her doing this and is thinking "What the f...?") If there is a point where Chisaki has feelings for Tsumgu, then this is it. I would say this, doesn't count. It's during the Ofunehiki event, and past episodes before this gives no hint or indication of either Chisaki or Tsumgu having feelings towards one another. Also, she technically didn't ignore everyone else, she was just caught up in the event. Conclusion: There is no indication or hint, that Chisaki or Tsumugu develops feelings for one another before the Ofunehiki event. In episode 24, it is suggested, during the five years of Chisaki living with Tsumugu, she has developed feelings for him. But to what extent? We don't know exactly, as past episodes give very little or no detail towards her feelings for him. We can only assume she loves/like him at this point. To me, Chisaki and Tsumugu relationship has been forced onto us ever since the Ofunehiki event. I feel, everyone should view this as a negative point for the anime. Note: Everyone should confirm the information for themselves. Mhh I don't agree with the people who say that there were no hints in the first cour. Some of the hints in the first cour: - Chisaki gets angry at Tsumugu and Kaname says: so you can make this kind of expressions because of him -Chisaki blushed after accidenly brushing her arm against Tsumugu (this wasn't a normal reaction of Chisaki (imagine if something like this happaned with Kaname before his confession, she certainly wouldn't blush). I am sure that this was certainly a hint for the viewers that they have to be prepared that there will be something between ChisakixTsumugu ) -Tsumugu talks with his mother and there's a scene where they focus on Chisakis and not on Manakas reaction, later Chisaki and Tsumugu are talking while Manaka is asleep (the makers wanted to show that Chisaki is a better match than Manaka for Tsumugu because she will understand him more) Yes, this were hints to prepare the viewers. No, this hints don´t mean that she's madly in love with him in the first cour. I´m 100% sure that this hints mean something like: She's starting to be attracted to him and if she starts to move on from Hikari, Tsumugu will be the next person and not Kaname. She cares more about Tsumugus opinion and ask him for advice and not Kaname who she knows since they were kids. TsumuguxChisaki was not such a surprise for me, I even felt it in the first cour. The thing is: the hints were subtle and not everyone will buy this or some people will overlook them. But every person has a different intrepretations and opinions. We shouldn't force our opinions on other people and instead be happy that people are talking and discussing about this great anime. Agreed ^_~ God damn it :) You guys FINALLY realised why Chisaki rejected Tsumugu? Great going there :) Let me summarize it for ya. Part one ended with Chisaki still thinking Manaka had feelings for Tsumugu. Was no longer true, but she didnt know it. Chisaki at that point still wanted Hikari to her knowledge and had minor crush on Tsumugu. Even Kaname understood that at that point. Its the main reason he was feeling so left out and bitter when he got back from his hibernation. Due to Chisaki thinking Manaka still wanted Tsumugu, she rejected him believing it would be unfair if she got him because of the 5 years she had with him as an advantage. All she wanted was things to start at the same point how they were after Part 1. Lame as hell, but yea, so she felt depressed for it. Kaname told her not to worry anymore about it, but well, Chisaki is Chisaki - cant have both brains and boobs. So the only one who became adult of the main female cast is the only one who remained a child emotionally (Manaka doesnt count here, as she is plot-locked at child level in this regard). |
AlexGKMar 22, 2014 4:07 AM
Mar 22, 2014 5:37 AM
#307
Hope there's a time-skip with both Kaname and Sayu. Also, Chisaki has been my favorite female but damn she's getting everything *but* development, heck even Kaname who gets far less focus managed to dodge his negative development of the past 6 episodes. Hikari is still the best character, he is truly amazing. I'm a little worried about Miuna, I started liking her more as the episodes passed but she's becoming too selfless for her own good. |
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Mar 22, 2014 5:45 AM
#308
fantasticfaggot said: As cute as the scene was, I'd be really disappointed if Sayu and Kaname became a couple. Sayu isn't just a second option. My heart breaks more and more each week for Miuna but regardless, good episode! Kaname's response was very on-spot. He thought nobody ever cared for him and he had just supported the girl he has been loving for a long time to chase another guy, it's obviously he was emotionally damaged at this point since he broke down in tears. However, in his emotional state he still didn't fully accept Sayu's feelings, he just thanked them and it's happy someone is there for him. They'll probably end up together in some sort of time-skip sequence after the new ofunehiki, but it's better than just dating her out of pity and for trying to heal your own sadness. She sort o healed him, but like he said to her, he still likes Chisaki but will try to look at Sayu not as a 9 year-old girl anymore. |
bekeruMar 22, 2014 5:50 AM
>User since 2008 Please god help me quit this website. Such great community that doesn't even know how demographics work, AND gives """detailed"""" reviews after first episodes. |
Mar 22, 2014 5:49 AM
#309
Thess said: I am feeling generous. I would also suggest to surf more good stuff in there, because the Chinese fandom always scans everything. :p Wow O.o. I just noticed that there's a connection between ep 19 and ep 23 because of the comparison. Now I really wish I could read it and learn more about the story :`(! |
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Mar 22, 2014 9:39 AM
#310
L-Ryoshi said: Thus, based on my own opinion, I would think that whilst Tsumugu had probably developed feelings for Chisaki sometime during or after the first Ofunehiki event. Chisaki probably didn't notice her own feelings or even think to reciprocate them, even up to this latest episode, because she was so comfortable with the status quo. She didn't see a need to change anything, which is why when the cat was out of the bag, she needed a push from others like the poor Kaname to even consider/realize her own feelings, much less act on them (which she hasn't done thus far). At least... that's the vibe that I've received after watching 24 episodes of this. I'm sure Chisaki actually realize her growing feelings for Tsumugu. And she can't accept it. Not because she comfortable with the status quo nor didn't see a need to change, but because she was afraid to change. She realize she is changing, that's why she was so afraid at meeting with Hikari. Chisaki and Kaname conversation in this episode: Kaname: Even if things didn't work out with you and Hikari, I knew it'd be Tsumugu next and not me. Chisaki: No! I don't love him!I'm not allowed to love Tsumugu! If I fell in love with anyone other than Hikari, I thought I'd be betraying everyone still sleeping. Everyone whose time stopped!. (I thought)I love Hikari. I made sure I wouldn't forget that. I always made sure I didn't forget.. When Hikari came back, I was scared. The fact that I was the only one who became an adult...not only that... I thought he'd see through me about various things. But Hikari told me I hadn't change. I was so happy. (that I thought)I still loved Hikari. even now..but! Kaname:That doesn't matter anymore.. we're all here now. We came back. There's no reason to fool your own feelings. Chisaki:Manaka loves Tsumugu. In order to reawaken Manaka's feeling of love, I can't accept Tsumugu's feelings So, I think Chisaki do notice her feelings but refuse to accept it because said reason above, she said it herself. The word "I love Hikari", "I still love Hikari, even now", I wonder what others understand about those? Because, I do understand the Japanese (because I study Japanese in college) and I'm afraid others got the wrong idea. So I added (I thought) above. In that word, it's not Chisaki declare herself she loves Hikari. But more "she thought" she love Hikari or "she made sure". Talk to herself, convincing herself. The pattern is the same with "I made sure I wouldn't forget that. I always made sure I didn't forget", they include the "I made sure" in those sentence, but not in the other which have same pattern. So, I think the sub is somewhat fail to deliver the real meaning....but then again, maybe I don't understand the english one, maybe it's already implied like that. ^^; |
CrimsonMidnightMar 22, 2014 10:04 AM
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Mar 22, 2014 10:01 AM
#311
Tony777 said: Shicchi said: Oh my that was quite the work there, thanks Tony777. There are so many things I'm not agree but I don't think I can explain it well because my limited english capability... damn... But one thing I want to say is, they didn't love each other yet before time skip, they only interested in one another, and Kaname realize it, it's a hints you missed at episode 12. Kaname make an annoyed/jealous face or kind of didn't like the idea of Chisaki going to town with Manaka and Tsumugu. What do you think? Go rewatch and look at Kaname's face, I thing it's a hint, Kaname realize/sense that at least THERE is something between Chisaki and Tsumugu. Well some can argue he just worried because he know Chisaki hate Tsumugu from episode 9... but, I think it's not a worried expression....imo. And the bump shoulder, yes it maybe natural for other anime, but I think in this anime, that count as a hint. I mean, look how the camera focused. If it's just a normal scene, I think there's no need to zoom it in. It's like the author wants us to think theres something there. Also why do you think Tsumugu look at the clock, and then the camera focused not to the time, but to Tsumugu? What do you interpret that scene? I hope you understand what I mean....fyuuh it takes so much time for me just to points out this... This is all from episode 12, there are also from other episodes, I hope there is someone who is willing to do better explanations... Ah, wait, I think I would do one more thing...in episode 5, When Chisaki was talking to herself, and then Tsumugu come... she apologize to Tsumugu, and then He suddenly ask if she likes Hikari....Tsumugu interested in something other than fish or sea is definitely something don't you think? Also, note that almost all the conversation between Tsumugu and Chisaki is more personal than with Manaka. And you have to pay more attention to Tsumugu's expression. He shows very little, like how his smile is not really visible if you not pay attention. Well that what I interpreted things...I might be biased, so I wanted to know other opinion... 3. "Better explanations"? I didn't even go through the other 7 episodes, you have a chance to prove me wrong. Ah, that....I don't mean yours.... ...You did a very very great job! It's easy to understand! I mean I hope there is someone who is willing to do better explanations than me to prove you wrong, because I'm just too lazy and I think I don't have enough english skill to explains things the way I wanted... but really, it's probably just because I'm too lazy ^^; |
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Mar 22, 2014 10:07 AM
#312
Shicchi said: I'm sure Chisaki actually realize her growing feelings for Tsumugu. And she can't accept it. Not because she comfortable with the status quo nor didn't see a need to change, but because she was afraid to change. She realize she is changing, that's why she was so afraid at meeting with Hikari. Chisaki and Kaname conversation in this episode: Kaname: Even if things didn't work out with you and Hikari, I knew it'd be Tsumugu next and not me. Chisaki: No! I don't love him!I'm not allowed to love Tsumugu! If I fell in love with anyone other than Hikari, I thought I'd be betraying everyone still sleeping. Everyone whose time stopped!. (I thought)I love Hikari. I made sure I wouldn't forget that. I always made sure I didn't forget.. When Hikari came back, I was scared. The fact that I was the only one who became an adult...not only that... I thought he'd see through me about various things. But Hikari told me I hadn't change. I was so happy. (that I thought)I still loved Hikari. even now..but! Kaname:That doesn't matter anymore.. we're all here now. We came back. There's no reason to fool your own feelings. Chisaki:Manaka loves Tsumugu. In order to reawaken Manaka's feeling of love, I can't accept Tsumugu's feelings So, I think Chisaki do notice her feelings but refuse to accept it because said reason above, she said it herself. The word "I love Hikari", "I still love Hikari, even now", I wonder what others understand about those? Because, I do understand the Japanese (because I study Japanese in college) and I'm afraid others got the wrong idea. So I added (I thought) above. In that word, it's not Chisaki declare herself she loves Hikari. But more "she thought" she love Hikari or "she made sure". Talk to herself, convincing herself. The pattern is the same with "I made sure I wouldn't forget that. I always made sure I didn't forget", they include the "I made sure" in those sentence, but not in the other which have same pattern. So, I think the sub is somewhat fail to deliver the real meaning....but then again, maybe I don't understand the english one, maybe it's already implied like that. ^^; And that right there, is the reason I love Chisaki as a character. I mean, many people hated her precisely because of the above. She's very simple, yet her beliefs led her to overcomplicate things. She's changing, while denying her changes, fearing of messing things up from what they "suppose" to her. She had a picture of how everyone should end up as well as how things should be, she's afraid of things turning out differently. It's frustrating to Tsumugu, it's frustrating to a lot of viewers. Heck, she made me a bit mad as soon as she brought up "manaka was the sacrifice 5 years ago"... Because I knew exactly what she's about to suggest. Quite frankly, she's a mess, and she's the kind of girl I do not like in real life. (I have met a couple girls like her, can't say I enjoy listening to them too much) Which may have contribute to me finding her extremely "real" and admire how her character is portrayed and written. |
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Mar 22, 2014 10:11 AM
#313
AirStyles said: And that right there, is the reason I love Chisaki as a character. I mean, many people hated her precisely because of the above. She's very simple, yet her beliefs led her to overcomplicate things. She's changing, while denying her changes, fearing of messing things up from what they "suppose" to her. She had a picture of how everyone should end up as well as how things should be, she's afraid of things turning out differently. It's frustrating to Tsumugu, it's frustrating to a lot of viewers. Heck, she made me a bit mad as soon as she brought up "manaka was the sacrifice 5 years ago"... Because I knew exactly what she's about to suggest. Quite frankly, she's a mess, and she's the kind of girl I do not like in real life. (I have met a couple girls like her, can't say I enjoy listening to them too much) Which may have contribute to me finding her extremely "real" and admire how her character is portrayed and written. Well said :D |
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Mar 22, 2014 10:37 AM
#314
The fact that there are only 2 episodes left is devastating me. No matter how it ends, it's ending and :( |
Mar 22, 2014 11:31 AM
#315
2 more episodes to go. The ending is near. |
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Mar 22, 2014 12:59 PM
#316
can someone please tell me why Sayu compared Kaname to Chisaki when she said that he's just like her? :) |
Mar 22, 2014 3:26 PM
#317
Mar 22, 2014 4:24 PM
#318
"The feelings are everywhere" -Tsumugu, Kihara He managed to summarize their entire series in a single phrase :D As expected from the most unrealistic character in the series. |
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Mar 22, 2014 7:05 PM
#319
YuushaEmilia90 said: can someone please tell me why Sayu compared Kaname to Chisaki when she said that he's just like her? :) Cause chisaki has someone liking her, but she's too focused on someone else. Similar to kaname, kaname is inlove with chisaki, but completely ignores sayu, not seeing her as a girl the same age as him, until now. |
Mar 22, 2014 8:38 PM
#320
Yes Kaname! The Kaname x Sayu was the highlight of this episode. Chisaki needs to get her shit together. 5/5 |
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Mar 22, 2014 9:44 PM
#321
This episode made me happy and sad at the same time. From the start, I've always been Kaname fans. I pity him, he's trying so hard to be understanding, buried his feeling, and people hating on him for having no development (well, it's not his fault to be treated as side characters, even less important than Miuna). I was really sad when he said he was lonely, he was afraid none waited for him. Because it was pretty much the truth. He woke up all alone meanwhile Hikari and Manaka didn't, etc. He was very happy knowing Sayu waited for him, dat feels, I can't even put it into words. It seems like he wants to move on. That's for the best. I can't stand anymore his stare on Chisaki. I pray for his happiness (with Sayu, best girl). Sorry for the ramble. I'm just this happy. |
Mar 22, 2014 10:58 PM
#322
naekiyo said: YuushaEmilia90 said: can someone please tell me why Sayu compared Kaname to Chisaki when she said that he's just like her? :) Cause chisaki has someone liking her, but she's too focused on someone else. Similar to kaname, kaname is inlove with chisaki, but completely ignores sayu, not seeing her as a girl the same age as him, until now. exactly the answer i was looking for. Thank you, Naekiyo! |
Mar 23, 2014 2:58 AM
#323
Was anyone else bothered by this? http://i.imgur.com/WQXbueN.png |
Mar 23, 2014 3:19 AM
#324
What is it? |
LiMaKuSMar 23, 2014 3:24 AM
Mar 23, 2014 3:24 AM
#325
If Kaname had accepted Sayu's confession I would had called it half-assed; their relationship is not anywhere near the level of Chisaki and Tsumugu or Manaka and Hikari. However, saying that he'll try to start looking at her from now on, I can definitely accept that. Even if their relationship continue to get zero development for the remaining episodes, you can still attribute things to off-screen development AFTER the show has ended. Now that I think about it, Miuna also have almost no intimate development with Hikari, meaning that it is VERY unlikely to happen, even if Manaka don't recover or something happens to her. You only feel like their relationship has development because most of the 2nd half is told from her point of view and we therefore get bombarded with how she feels all the time. Some people will also start identifying and sympathizing with her more, especially since most of us are so self-centered. In reality, all we have is her little one-sided crush; I guess she'll follow Sayu in the next few episodes and take the next step and we'll see what happens from there. |
Mar 23, 2014 4:37 AM
#326
Great scene between kaname and sayuu ^u^ |
Mar 23, 2014 4:45 AM
#327
Tony777 said: While I deeply appreciate your efforts, you've actually MISSED a TON of the subtle interactions. Like for episode 5, you completely ignored that their conversation started because Chisaki asked Tsumugu to be her sea slug! That is HUGE! I will address all the issues I have with your analysis later when I get back from a con. I feel like you did half of the work by watching the scenes but completely missing the point and how subtle Japanese communication can be. Some things you said I agree with (in part to the emotional brick Tsumugu normally is) but I feel like you don't get Chisaki at all.Episode Breakdown of Chisaki and Tsumugu |
Mar 23, 2014 5:31 AM
#328
^ Tryhard |
Mar 23, 2014 6:27 AM
#329
CrashClown said: No need to but I have a Mike McFarland panel to be at but I will be back with details later. I've already gone through this on Tumblr. Pointing out inconsistencies and small points missed by others is no big deal. Also, next time you respond to me, try not to sound so trollish.^ Tryhard |
Mar 23, 2014 6:53 AM
#330
"Also, next time you respond to me, try not to sound so trollish." No. Too lazy/dumb to. |
CrashClownMar 23, 2014 7:07 AM
Mar 23, 2014 7:31 AM
#331
Mar 23, 2014 8:34 AM
#332
LiMaKuS said: What is it? Miuna being taller than the Sayama vehicle... And Miuna is only 150cm iirc. |
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Mar 23, 2014 9:48 AM
#333
The Sayu and Kaname moment was a huge win for me. But because of all the Tsumugu and Chisaki drama plus the Kaname and Sayu moment, the Miuna/Hikari moments this episode have been overshadowed. Am I the only one that noticed that Hikari thanked Miuna and admitted just like Kaname that he cant look at her as a kid anymore? Miuna even made him blush which isnt usual. He made it clear that he noticed that she has done ALOT for him and that she is no longer just a little kid to him. That is a huge step for Miuna/Hikari shippers like myself. She might just have a chance. I really like Miuna for Hikari because she is like a calm breeze that can calm Hikaris raging sea like emotions. But of course Hikari has be bent on Manaka for so long that I wouldnt mind if Hikari became the sea god and took both girls as his wives. HAHA! ^-^ That would be the perfect ending, he could even stop the end of the world. |
anayssagMar 23, 2014 10:13 AM
Mar 23, 2014 12:09 PM
#334
Another sensational episode!!! As the series comes to the climax, the characters are going through a very important and difficult time. Manaka definitely feels that she has lost something and strives to know with Miuna seemingly trying to hide her feelings for Hikari but will she hold out? Tsumugu impressed me as he is a lot more aggressive than usual especially with that embrace and his idea to innate another Boatdrift Ceremony. Kaname on the other hand probably has it the worst knowing that his feelings for Chisaki may never be reciprocated but Sayu really impressed me standing up towards him and the her confession is finally delivered after many years of waiting. Really glad that these two characters are developed within that big moment and was done very well as they never got much attention during the pre-time skip. Nice to see the students from five years ago and it felt very nostalgic in some places. Off course we have Chisaki being in a very confused state not knowing if her feelings are true or not. That flashback certainly hinted her possible feelings for Tsumugu but I wonder how she will progress from here? This will be very interesting to see as the series is about to end. The next episode has a brilliant sense of feel 'Love is like the Sea' so will be looking forward to seeing what happens!! 5/5 |
Mar 23, 2014 1:07 PM
#335
Damn, Nagi no, why do you keep torturing me? :( I really think it will be my favorite show from 2013-2014. Well, with JoJo's coming back, it will be a tough fight, but damn this show is moving. I think it's important to go back on all the plots that were happening in that episode. First, The TsumuguxChisakixKaname case : Well, it sure advanced a lot. Chisaki told Tsumugu that she doesn't love him, but she told the exact opposite to Kaname. Some people will say that the way she acted was childish, but I can understand because the context she's in. From what she said, she still feel guilty that she left her friends behind and continued her life on. Because of that, she feel like loving Tsumugu would be like betray her love for Hikari that she still have and Manaka feeling for him. From my perseption, she feel like she would have took advantage from the hibernation to get closer to Tsumugu. That's kinda dramatic because I think the only one that could relieve her from her guilt is Hikari and well, Hikari is bothered with other things right now. Kaname really redeemed himself for the things he did in the previous episodes (I'll came back on this later). He choosed to give up on Chisaki - not his feeling - and help her forgive herself. That's really sweet of him. I think that in the end, Chisaki and Tsumugu couple will become canon, it's just waiting to happen. About KanamexSayu relationship, it was just too fucking cute. Seriously, when I said that Kaname redeemed himself, it's pretty much because of this. Sayu declaration was really cute and deep down from her heart. Kaname didn't escape from it nor rejected her, he accepted her love and promised to not look to her like a child anymore. There not in couple, far from it in fact, but it brought them really closer. I also guess it will become canon by the end of the show. Now the biggest problem, The HikarixMiunaxManaka and her loss of love. It look like Miuna accepted Hikari feeling and like Kaname, she didn't gave up on her feeling but decided to put them away to help Hikari. Tsumugu idea is clever, but I don't think it will work. I keep thinking that Miuna will sacrifice herself so Manaka can get back her feeling, the scene in the OP being my biggest conviction. It look like Manaka is passing the sacred fire to her or something like this. That would be so fucking dramatic, I really love Miuna so I hope I'm wrong, but I fear I'm right :/ Anyway, Manaka is so fucking depressing to look at. It look like those psychotic person who can't feel anything and don't understand why. When she runned because of Akira drawing, it was so sad. She couldn't even understand his message. So, what will happen now. Will the Ofunehiki work? Will it goes as the last time it happened, that it will all go ape shit? Will Miuna declare herself or will she sacrifice herself leaving her feelings to the abyss? Will all those love contradictions finally resolve themself? Will it end fucking sadly, bittersweetly or happily? Damn, this show is messing with my heart. With Golden Time also not messing with the drama, it's too much to bear in one season xD And now I also plan to watch Ano Hana for the first time... I must be a masochist. |
«Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.» - Kurisu Makise a.k.a. The Zombie |
Mar 23, 2014 1:26 PM
#336
I'm sad for Kaname and happy at the same time oO Being rejected again and again must be painful... Sayu was great here :D I would have preferred that tsumugu got completely and definitely rejected :( and I feel like Miuna will be the one left alone :( |
Mar 23, 2014 1:41 PM
#337
Hikari x Manaka Tsumugu x Chisaki Kaname x Sayu But what about Miuna? |
Mar 23, 2014 1:53 PM
#338
delulytric said: LiMaKuS said: What is it? Miuna being taller than the Sayama vehicle... And Miuna is only 150cm iirc. Nah, she's 158 or 160 but it's clearly first so visibly QUALITY moment in anime so far. |
Mar 23, 2014 1:56 PM
#339
Gotta say, Kaname is turning out to be one of my favorite characters from this series. I have been sorta of rooting for him since the start, but once the second half begun, I began loving his character more and more. Kaname finally getting some love felt really great to my heart. The rest of the episode was really great, but the star of this episode felt really like Kaname. |
Mar 23, 2014 2:43 PM
#340
Final Reply on the subject Ongaku008 said: Mhh I don't agree with the people who say that there were no hints in the first cour. Some of the hints in the first cour: - Chisaki gets angry at Tsumugu and Kaname says: so you can make this kind of expressions because of him -Chisaki blushed after accidenly brushing her arm against Tsumugu (this wasn't a normal reaction of Chisaki (imagine if something like this happaned with Kaname before his confession, she certainly wouldn't blush). I am sure that this was certainly a hint for the viewers that they have to be prepared that there will be something between ChisakixTsumugu ) -Tsumugu talks with his mother and there's a scene where they focus on Chisakis and not on Manakas reaction, later Chisaki and Tsumugu are talking while Manaka is asleep (the makers wanted to show that Chisaki is a better match than Manaka for Tsumugu because she will understand him more) Yes, this were hints to prepare the viewers. No, this hints don´t mean that she's madly in love with him in the first cour. I´m 100% sure that this hints mean something like: She's starting to be attracted to him and if she starts to move on from Hikari, Tsumugu will be the next person and not Kaname. She cares more about Tsumugus opinion and ask him for advice and not Kaname who she knows since they were kids. TsumuguxChisaki was not such a surprise for me, I even felt it in the first cour. The thing is: the hints were subtle and not everyone will buy this or some people will overlook them. But every person has a different intrepretations and opinions. We shouldn't force our opinions on other people and instead be happy that people are talking and discussing about this great anime. This will be my final reply to you and anyone else on the subject in the thread. If anyone wants to reply or discuss the subject then just PM me. I have already answered all your questions in other replies besides the "Camera focus" and "Kaname quote from Ep.9". The camera only focuses on her at the end of the scene. And how you apply "Chisaki feelings for him" to this scene is beyond me. If you watch the scene again, Chisaki is curious about his mother and the way he was treating/talking to her. Tsumugu was cold to his mother in the scene and Chisaki most likely picked up on that. I think this is far more of an honest interpretation. Ep.9: So after Chisaki gets upset and storms off she says "I really hate him!". Then Kaname goes with her and says "So he makes you make expressions like that". Then she says "Kaname?". Well Chisaki was clearly upset with Tsumugu. In my opinion, Kaname pointed out that Chisaki got flustered. But it's hard to tell because Chisaki doesn't feel embarrass responding to what Kaname said. I find Chisaki response to be quite puzzling. So, I would say it's more of a reaction to her whole conversation with Tsumugu and what Tsumugu said at the end. I still don't see how "She gives off feelings for him" in this scene. I am not forcing "my opinion" on anyone. I was stating the shows script. It's not my fault you disagree with the show. Now, am I interpreting the character's emotions? Yes, of course. But there's a difference between asserting wishful imaginations and objectively rationalizing. Also, If I was surely wrong, then there must be an overwhelming consensus in the past discussion threads (Eps. 1 to 12) against me. But if you look, the majority of people only thought their friendship was progressing after each encounter and nothing else. I'll quote a 3 month old comment posted in Ep.12 Discussion (p.7) from Madara31. Madara31 said: Sayu loves Kaname. She probably won't get anywhere, but its something. But seriously, I don't really get why some people view Tsumugu as liking Chisaki, or even vice versa. In terms of a potential couple from wishful thinking, that's fine. But at this point, in terms of concrete evidence, Tsumugu has shown no signs of liking Chisaki, and the only real thing Chisaki has done is get flustered when their arms touched, that's it. Just so I wouldn't take him out of context, I asked him if he still stands by his comment. Madara31: "Yeah I still stand by what I said. I don't believe anything concrete was shown between Chisaki and Tsumugu before the Ofunehiki event. In my opinion, they showed an "interest" in each other that wasn't present in other character interactions, but no concrete feelings. If feelings were apparently there for either of them, then they were very good at hiding them." This doesn't mean you should only take mine and his words for it. Go back and look, very many people agree with this conclusion. Also, it doesn't mean people weren't asserting wishful thinking back then. People who say there are hints or indications of their feelings for one another before the Ofunehiki event, are in the minority. Shicchi said: Ah, that....I don't mean yours.... ...You did a very very great job! It's easy to understand! I mean I hope there is someone who is willing to do better explanations than me to prove you wrong, because I'm just too lazy and I think I don't have enough english skill to explains things the way I wanted... but really, it's probably just because I'm too lazy ^^; Thank you. My fault then, I thought you were talking of me. MetaKite said: While I deeply appreciate your efforts, you've actually MISSED a TON of the subtle interactions. Like for episode 5, you completely ignored that their conversation started because Chisaki asked Tsumugu to be her sea slug! That is HUGE! I will address all the issues I have with your analysis later when I get back from a con. I feel like you did half of the work by watching the scenes but completely missing the point and how subtle Japanese communication can be. Some things you said I agree with (in part to the emotional brick Tsumugu normally is) but I feel like you don't get Chisaki at all. I did not ignore that scene in episode 5. And you are wrong, that conversation did not start "because Chisaki asked Tsumugu to be her sea slug". Here's the entire scene (3:55 - 5:25): c: And compared to that, I'm... I need to do something about my feelings for Hikari. t: You're late. c: Well, you're late, too. t: We had a huge haul this morning. We've been able to get a ridiculous number of golden-eyes lately. Where's everyone else? c: I was late, so I had them go ahead without me. t: I see. c: I'm really sorry about yesterday! t: About what? c: "What"? t: Do you like Hikari? c: Wh-what are you... Well, yes, I do... I mean, we're childhood friends, and we've been together forever, so he's like family... t: I see. c: Will you be a sea slug for me? t: Huh? c: I like him more than just as a childhood friend. But if I keep on liking Hikari, I'm going to keep becoming someone I don't like. I'm not going to be able to forgive myself- t: Stop. c: Wait! As you can see, her comment is about 3/4's down. I just didn't write about this scene because it has no relevance to the subject. Either you don't know what a "sea slug" means or you're taking it out of context on purpose. In episode 3, Manaka and Chisaki tells what a sea slug means (3:20 - 4:24). Here: c: I hope Hikari calms down a little... He's impossible when he's like that. m: Huh... c: Manaka? m: Chii-chan! A sea slug! c: Wow, it's one with a red belly. m: If you tell a red-bellied sea slug about feelings you can't tell anyone else, it'll tell you what's going to happen in the future. c: Yeah, if it spits up a black rock, your feelings are wrong, and if it spits up a pretty rock... m: ...those feelings will continue to shine on forever like a jewel. c: Hey, Manaka. Do you like Tsumugu-kun? m: Wh-What... What are you talking about, Chii-chan?! ... I'm not really sure. Even in episode 5, Chiskai repeats (3:32 - 3:54) what a sea slug means from episode 3. So, Chiskai simply asked Tsumugu, "Can I tell you my feelings?" ("it'll tell you what's going to happen in the future.")(Bottom color) You can tell your friends about your feelings, not just your lover or who you like. This scene speaks only of friendship. Also, If this was an actual indication of her feelings towards him then many people (besides you) and in previous discussion threads (Eps. 5 to 13) would of brought it up instantly to prove me wrong or anyone else. If you're going to reply, then please send it by PM. |
ToilgameshMar 25, 2014 9:56 AM
Mar 23, 2014 3:40 PM
#341
Finally some decent development! The one I'm most proud with is Sayu's, confessing to Kaname and Kaname crying from happiness that someone cared for him because he felt left out with no kind of family waiting for him. Chisaki actually loving Tsumugu 5 years ago and those feeling growing stronger when they grew up together in that time... kinda pisses me off because when people started shipping them before there was any solid hint, I didn't ship them at all and never will. Not a fan of them at all. But I'm glad that she at least still likes Hikari, the annoying thing is she's still such a pussy when it comes to love. Hikari on the other hand, not surprised, I'm doubting he'll ever get any love from Manaka unless if she gets her memories back and somehow grew out of loving Tsumugu and took a closer look at Hikari (hint: she thought he was manly waving that flag, lol) then maybe she'll fall for him. Miuna... sucks that she's planning to hide her feelings and not fight for them like Sayu, Sayu's really the best out of all of them. I'm totally shipping Sayu x Kaname now. I already was in the past but even more now with this episode. I hope the Ofuneheki will work. |
Mar 23, 2014 9:09 PM
#342
Mar 24, 2014 3:28 AM
#343
waalex11 said: Finally some decent development! The one I'm most proud with is Sayu's, confessing to Kaname and Kaname crying from happiness that someone cared for him because he felt left out with no kind of family waiting for him. Chisaki actually loving Tsumugu 5 years ago and those feeling growing stronger when they grew up together in that time... kinda pisses me off because when people started shipping them before there was any solid hint, I didn't ship them at all and never will. Not a fan of them at all. But I'm glad that she at least still likes Hikari, the annoying thing is she's still such a pussy when it comes to love. Hikari on the other hand, not surprised, I'm doubting he'll ever get any love from Manaka unless if she gets her memories back and somehow grew out of loving Tsumugu and took a closer look at Hikari (hint: she thought he was manly waving that flag, lol) then maybe she'll fall for him. Miuna... sucks that she's planning to hide her feelings and not fight for them like Sayu, Sayu's really the best out of all of them. I'm totally shipping Sayu x Kaname now. I already was in the past but even more now with this episode. I hope the Ofuneheki will work. She doesn't love hikari anymore, and I thinki some people fail to realize this fact. She is only using Hikari as a excuse so that she doesn't have to move on, her childish puppy love for him is nothing at this point. Case in point she is extremely afraid of change, to the fact where it became close to a phobia, mix this in with survivors guilts and you got a messed up mind. |
Mar 24, 2014 5:46 AM
#344
Its pretty obvious that Chisaki loves Tsumugu, but is just afraid to admit it, she is still bound by the feelings of her past. I feel that Miuna deserves a reward for the things she has done for Hikari, hate to admit, but I'm starting to ship Hikari x Miuna. IMO, Manaka is the only one who can pave the way for all of them to move forward. She needs her "love" back. lol @ Kaname listening to Tsumugu & Chisaki and Sayu hiding in the corner... Sayu did a really good job! Nicewana! So does that mean that 1 love problem has been solve? a nostalgic episode. its ofuneki all over again next ep. 4/5 |
Mar 24, 2014 6:26 AM
#345
Throughout all 18 pages of forum say the same thing "Chisaki loves Tsumugu, just does not understand it." How boring and irksome. Oh, not only in this thread. And for the past three topics for discussions last episodes |
LiMaKuSMar 24, 2014 6:34 AM
Mar 24, 2014 7:59 PM
#346
Damn, amazing episode again. 5/5 I actually teared up in the Sayu + Kaname episode. I disliked Kaname at first, but this episode made me realize he was actually alone once he woke up, and made me warm up to him now. Chisaki has pretty much forgotten about Kaname's initial confession, and had her eyes set on Tsumugu (while actually trying to hide those feelings so she could try to love Hikari again like she used to). Even throughout the whole series, Kaname was the one who felt like he had the least presence in the whole group. So once Sayu told Kaname that she was thinking about him the whole time, and Chisaki realized there was someone who cared about him all this time, he couldn't hold back his tears. Actually, I think this is the first time Chisaki actually cried in the whole series. The whole confession scene was done extremely well, and I'm proud of Sayu now. Other than that, I'm still rooting for a Miuna x Hikari ending, even though it feels unlikely. Miuna seems like the only one who can fully understand Hikari even if it's only been a few weeks since they woke, and even more than Manaka, someone who stayed by Hikari's side since children. Also, it'll be really interesting how to deal with a relationship between a step-uncle who's your same age (and since they're not blood-related, another reason why I don't mind). I'm also glad that Hikari notices and appreciates what Miuna is doing, that thank you scene was pretty cute. Most MC's are extremely oblivious in romance anime, but Hikari is able to notice things pretty easily; one of the reasons why he's probably one of my favorite romance MCs so far. Hell, I wouldn't even by surprised if Hikari notices Miuna's feeling eventually (actually, knowing this anime, it's bound to happen sooner or later) To tell the truth, I wasn't expecting Tsumugu to love Chisaki, and the other way around. Tsumugu is already a hard character to read, and Chisaki already fell in love with Hikari, while having Kaname's confession in her backlog (that she probably forgotten though); so seeing that they both might love each other surprised me actually. Wondering how their relation will end up. Anyway, next episode is the festival again. The last festival episode was extremely powerful, so I wonder how they'll do it again this time. Seeing all the old classmates and everyone working hard once again had a nice feeling to it. |
Mar 24, 2014 9:37 PM
#347
I'm really hoping this ends tragically or at least really sadly because I'm really getting sick of this whole romance drama. I really liked NagiAsu when they got talking about the history of the sea gpd and when they had the tension between the sea and land people. I was totally expecting it to go that route, not... This. I gotta say I'm pretty disappointed in how nagi turned out. I hope someone dies (miuna or chisaki, or both. I'm fine with either or) |
Mar 24, 2014 10:32 PM
#348
The scene where kaname talked to chisaki made me cry... the scene where sayu talked to kaname made me cry .... kaname scenes are always making me cry, my poor poor baby ;n; ....why do i ship kaname with chisaki... I just can't get over how he said he would always love her. Also i really don't think the one manaka loves is tsumugu, seeing as she also lost the memory of when she jump in the pool being worried for hikari too ... so the thing manaka was going to tell hikari might have been about him and not tsumugu ... i'm getting kind of annoy how all the characters just assume manaka loves tsumugu when she might just have been fascinated and curious about him because that's how manaka's personality is.... and it would feel pretty weird after all the tsumugu chisaki drama if manaka's emotions return and she's in love with tsumugu.... |
_MisakiMar 24, 2014 10:42 PM
Mar 24, 2014 11:15 PM
#349
LOTS OF FEELS THIS EPISODE. I CRIED. Felt really sad for Kaname during the scene with Chisaki. :( Actingl cool and alright when he's hurt. Damn "Don't worry about my feelings." -Kaname Then the scene with Kaname and Sayu :D He's a lonely guy. I'm happy for him. Someone's actually waiting for him :') Thank you Sayu. YOU ARE THE BEST GIRL NOW! I didn't like her in the beginning because she ruined the Ojoshi-sama that Hikari and friends made but she grew up into such a lovely, smart girl <3 Yven said: https://24.media.tumblr.com/82e09895238e14424e91bde94f32acce/tumblr_n2rtwcr3uk1razgwso4_1280.jpg Black Stone... He knew it yet he tried, props to Kaname. And he's still keeping that stone T_T at least he has Sayu now LOL at Akira though. Rejected and Akari is supporting him XD Chisaki likes Tsumugu and he knows that. Damn it Chisaki, why do you have to fool yourself! so Manaka is hearing the sea because her feelings are in the sea! |
joori_StrawberryMar 25, 2014 12:31 AM
pew pew pew |
Mar 25, 2014 2:31 AM
#350
I love how the writers chose to go about with characterisation. They are able to convey the feelings of characters well and pace character development skillfully. What I liked in particular about this episode was that chisaki was finally able to voice her feelings to someone. In my opinion, her true feelings for tsumugi are blinded by her loyalty to the sea villagers and most importantly, her loyalty to her childhood friends. |
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