DO NOT discuss the source material beyond this episode. If you want to discuss future events or theories, please use separate threads.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
| This was epic. I loved the narrative style, and the theme of a "spiral." It reminded me of Yeats poems. T.S. Eliot too. =) And, while I`m on the lit. kick, I have to take issue with this: More importantly, why should I have to play through everything Type-Moon has ever done in order to understand the logic of the movie? That itself is a flaw. It would be like if I were reading Shakespeare, and they made references to totally unrelated things in plays I might not have read. Like I'm reading Hamlet, and suddenly there's a scene where they go on about how tragic Juliet's death was. If you read Shakespeare, I`m pretty much certain it makes references to things you may not have read. You need to have a good background in the Bible, Greek plays, Greek poetry/myth, and Latin writings (eg: Virgil) to understand Shakespeare. You have to read the "canon" of classical literature to understand it. If you read Hamlet, there may not be a reference to Juliet`s death, but there`s plenty of other references to plays you likely have not read. This is why there are spark notes. And Shakespeare for Dummies. I frankly think that references show the depth of the imagined world are what makes a work of literature or film or anime great. Kara no Koukai has that depth. |
 |
aranelcharis said: If you read Shakespeare, I`m pretty much certain it makes references to things you may not have read. You need to have a good background in the Bible, Greek plays, Greek poetry/myth, and Latin writings (eg: Virgil) to understand Shakespeare. You have to read the "canon" of classical literature to understand it. If you read Hamlet, there may not be a reference to Juliet`s death, but there`s plenty of other references to plays you likely have not read. This is why there are spark notes. And Shakespeare for Dummies. There's a difference between "making references" and structuring your plot so that it's nonsensical unless you've read the works its referencing. I might not be able to completely understand Shakespeare if I don't understand the bible, but at least I won't be concerned about continuity errors. Besides, at the time of Shakespeare's writing, all of those things you mentioned would have been extremely common knowledge for his intended audience. The only reason Shakespeare for Dummies and the like currently exists is because many of those things are no longer common knowledge. Meanwhile KnK (apparently) can't be understood properly unless you've read the collective Type-Moon works. I thought I understood it pretty well, but Ketuekigami thinks differently, hence why I said what I did in that quote. |
naikou said: aranelcharis said: If you read Shakespeare, I`m pretty much certain it makes references to things you may not have read. You need to have a good background in the Bible, Greek plays, Greek poetry/myth, and Latin writings (eg: Virgil) to understand Shakespeare. You have to read the "canon" of classical literature to understand it. If you read Hamlet, there may not be a reference to Juliet`s death, but there`s plenty of other references to plays you likely have not read. This is why there are spark notes. And Shakespeare for Dummies. There's a difference between "making references" and structuring your plot so that it's nonsensical unless you've read the works its referencing. I might not be able to completely understand Shakespeare if I don't understand the bible, but at least I won't be concerned about continuity errors. Besides, at the time of Shakespeare's writing, all of those things you mentioned would have been extremely common knowledge for his intended audience. The only reason Shakespeare for Dummies and the like currently exists is because many of those things are no longer common knowledge. Meanwhile KnK (apparently) can't be understood properly unless you've read the collective Type-Moon works. I thought I understood it pretty well, but Ketuekigami thinks differently, hence why I said what I did in that quote. Really? Greek/Latin drama and poetry were accessible for his intended audience? Are you saying his intended audience were nobles who could read Latin and Greek? I'm pretty sure Shakespeare wrote his plays to make money, not for the "elite" of the time. That means his intended audience was as wide as possible (the "masses"), hence why they are not only filled with references, but also with crude jokes and some fighting scenes. I guess in modern terms, the violence/action scenes and good animation are akin to the rude jokes/situations/fight scenes in Shakespeare. The "masses" of anime viewers today want those to be good, whereas you, the modern equivalent of the "elite" actually ponder about the plot. My point is this: if you wish to understand the intricacies of the Kara no Koukai world, then is it so bad to consider the source material (ie: Type-Moon works) as, in comparison, a noble would know all the source material in Shakespeare? I maintain that you can, as a causal viewer (ie: most of anime watchers), not understand all of KnK and still enjoy it very easily. Perhaps you just don't fall into the "casual viewer" mold. |
|
| wow, i couldn't have said that it better myself if i was given a week to write that. im gonna delete my other post because you just said everything i wanted to say but 100x better. |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
| I've never read any TM stuff, or played any of the games. And I still love KnK. FSN was great, Tsukihime was 'okay' (though fans of the game rage about it) but KnK is by far the best on every front. Yes, there are obviously references to other things, but... who cares? The movies work just fine standalone. Those references there for the 'true fans' are just a bonus to those people. And I don't care; I'm not going to read/play any TM stuff. I like anime, not those other forms of media. |
arenelcharis said: Really? Greek/Latin drama and poetry were accessible for his intended audience? Are you saying his intended audience were nobles who could read Latin and Greek? I'm pretty sure Shakespeare wrote his plays to make money, not for the "elite" of the time. That means his intended audience was as wide as possible (the "masses"), hence why they are not only filled with references, but also with crude jokes and some fighting scenes. That's definitely true. However, I'm still not convinced that it's quite the same thing. It's reasonable to expect that any educated person would know about mythology, and thus not miss the context Shakespeare is talking about. It's also reasonable to expect that any uneducated person would not be looking for parallels with greek mythology, and so the reference would go right over their head. It is not reasonable for the writers of Kara no Kyoukai to assume that all of their viewers are fans of their previous works, and thus know what is going on. Making that assumption is pure arrogance. Additionally, I'd argue that "making references" does not necessarily add anything at all to the depth of literature. If it did, Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei would be the deepest anime in existence - and, well, while I enjoy it, I'd be hard-pressed to call it "deep". |
| My main beef with Type-Moon works isn't the loopholes. What annoys me is that Type-Moon laws and logic seem to be created specifically to cover loopholes and the lack of regular logic. Whoops! Something seemingly inexplicable happened but it's all explained in page abc, volume xyz, of the whatever game/novel, specifically what's-her-name's route. It takes skill to create a world of fantasy because the writer could easily manipulate the rules to explain what would otherwise be called inconsistencies.KnK spends a lot of screentime on creating the proper ambiance and raising some questions but the answers seemingly come out of the blue when explanations are finally given. naikou said: The fight between Touko and Araya was really cool, but it got silly when they both revived themselves.  |
YuunagiFeb 6, 2009 1:05 PM
Yuunagi said: My main beef with Type-Moon works isn't the loopholes. What annoys me is that Type-Moon laws and logic seem to be created specifically to cover loopholes and the lack of regular logic. Whoops! Something seemingly inexplicable happened but it's all explained in page abc, volume xyz, of the whatever game/novel, specifically what's-her-name's route. It takes skill to create a world of fantasy because the writer could easily manipulate the rules to explain what would otherwise be called inconsistencies.Yeah, the Nasuverse pretty much consists of ad hoc exceptions. I frankly don't care, since if that's how the fictional world is supposed to look, that's how it's supposed to look. Lazy writing, but at least slightly honest about it (inasmuch as it points it out... somewhere). |
How is the world ruled and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists and then believe what they read. | Report rules abuse | Your Panel | Clubs | Messages | Forum | Recent <img src="http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/4672/stuhlbarg.png" /> |
| A excellent knk 5 review: h**p://memories-of-eternity.com/analysis/the-spiral-symbolism-imagery-and-a-little-direction-for-kara-no-kyoukai-5/ Nice blog too |
 |
naikou said: did you really just compare the depth of KnK in the Type-Moon world to a flat out parody. all the "parody's" in SZS are blatantly obvious because that is the point of a parody, and understanding those jokes is necessary for the enjoyment of the anime. it doesn't contain much of "depth" for a reason (unless you somehow have a different definition of depth). And i will say that all of the references that appear ONLY if you are familiar with Type-moon's other works and that do not take away from the enjoyment of the average viewer does indeed add depth.Additionally, I'd argue that "making references" does not necessarily add anything at all to the depth of literature. If it did, Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei would be the deepest anime in existence - and, well, while I enjoy it, I'd be hard-pressed to call it "deep". I honestly don't see how you are able to use SZS as an argument about depth through references against Type-Moon. The problem here is not the reference but you. of course your going to have a problem if you watch a fight and ask yourself "how did they do that" or "that power is stupid". your asking to understand the world of "magic" in Type-Moon and that's not something that requires real world logic, yet that's what your trying to use to understand it. those are things that someone would only consider if they went into the movie while planning to find any "plot hole" they can. |
KetuekigamiFeb 6, 2009 2:59 PM
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
Ketuekigami said: did you really just compare the depth of KnK in the Type-Moon world to a flat out parody. all the "parody's" in SZS are blatantly obvious because that is the point of a parody, and understanding those jokes is necessary for the enjoyment of the anime. it doesn't contain much of "depth" for a reason (unless you somehow have a different definition of depth). And i will say that all of the references that appear ONLY if you are familiar with Type-moon's other works and that do not take away from the enjoyment of the average viewer does indeed add depth. Good job, you just repeated exactly what I said. References do not necessarily add anything to the "depth" of an anime. I used SZS as an example, because it references everything on the planet, and those references do nothing to make the story "deeper." Thus, the fact that Kara no Kyoukai uses references should not be a bonus for it. Ketuekigami said: The problem here is not the reference but you. of course your going to have a problem if you watch a fight and ask yourself "how did they do that" or "that power is stupid". Are you kidding me? Do I need to repeat the same 3 arguments I've been repeating this whole time? 1. Shiki acted out of character when she saved Tomoe 2. The ridiculous amounts of character revival is silly. It makes me feel like the characters might as well be invincible. 3. The fact that Araya used uber-magic powers to bind Shiki instead of tying her up makes me laugh. Especially since he already knew she could break his seals. |
naikou said: 1. Shiki acted out of character when she saved Tomoe 2. The ridiculous amounts of character revival is silly. It makes me feel like the characters might as well be invincible. 3. The fact that Araya used uber-magic powers to bind Shiki instead of tying her up makes me laugh. Especially since he already knew she could break his seals. The first two are "yes" (although I guess she was feeling pretty lonely with Mikiya gone, which would begin to explain number one, I'd say it still was pretty OOC). The third, well, Araya didn't seem like the most flexible of thinkers - he probably went "oh, more magic has always worked before" or something. I am also a bit perplexed as to how the Enjou family could afford to live where they did. Sure, Araya probably couldn't care less about money, but he still wanted it to look pretty normal, I'd imagine. |
How is the world ruled and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists and then believe what they read. | Report rules abuse | Your Panel | Clubs | Messages | Forum | Recent <img src="http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/4672/stuhlbarg.png" /> |
naikou said: Good job, you just repeated exactly what I said. References do not necessarily add anything to the "depth" of an anime. I used SZS as an example, because it references everything on the planet, and those references do nothing to make the story "deeper." Thus, the fact that Kara no Kyoukai uses references should not be a bonus for it. wow, apparently you do have a completely different definition of depth when you are able to compare a PARODY to KnK. if you didn't already know a PARODY has references that are meant to be understood at first glance and are necessary for enjoyment while KnK only has those references to amplify enjoyment for those who notice them. if you didn't already know SZS relies entirely on its parody's while KnK has its own plot that doesn't involve its references. naikou said: Are you kidding me? Do I need to repeat the same 3 arguments I've been repeating this whole time? 1. Shiki acted out of character when she saved Tomoe 2. The ridiculous amounts of character revival is silly. It makes me feel like the characters might as well be invincible. 3. The fact that Araya used uber-magic powers to bind Shiki instead of tying her up makes me laugh. Especially since he already knew she could break his seals. are you kidding me??? do you want me to answer those two questions again, like i did before. fine i will. 1. iv already accepted that Shiki acted out of character but apparently you weren't listening. 2. amounts of revival? Touka only revived once and she even said that was the only spare body she has, if i were to count the "number of revivals" is 1. is 1 really that silly? 3. Arayas a fucking magus! why would he use a rope when hes confident enough about his ability to believe it can hold anyone. honestly that has to have been the stupidest one of them all. And no, he didn't know Shiki could break the seals.. or was his complete surprise when Touka said she could lost on you? |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
Kaiserpingvin said: The third, well, Araya didn't seem like the most flexible of thinkers - he probably went "oh, more magic has always worked before" or something. I am also a bit perplexed as to how the Enjou family could afford to live where they did. Sure, Araya probably couldn't care less about money, but he still wanted it to look pretty normal, I'd imagine. I dunno... from what the story lead me to believe, Araya is a pretty smart guy. He outwitted Touko at least, and Touko was almost as savvy as it gets. It's a weird thing for him to overlook. I didn't really have a problem with the Enjou family living in the spiral building. Araya seemed perfectly capable of brainwash, and the Enjou family had been moving around a lot, so the odds of them being recognized as poor people suddenly living in a rich apartment was pretty low. Ketuekigami said: wow, apparently you do have a completely different definition of depth when you are able to compare a PARODY to KnK. if you didn't already know a PARODY has references that are meant to be understood at first glance and are necessary for enjoyment while KnK only has those references to amplify enjoyment for those who notice them. if you didn't already know SZS relies entirely on its parody's while KnK has its own plot that doesn't involve its references. Look. All I'm saying is that references don't mean anything by themselves. Can you agree to that? Because that is my point. I'm not trying to draw any sort of connection between SZS and KnK, other than the fact that they both use outside material. Ketuekigami said: 1. iv already accepted that Shiki acted out of character but apparently you weren't listening. 2. amounts of revival? Touka only revived once and she even said that was the only spare body she has, if i were to count the "number of revivals" is 1. is 1 really that silly? 3. Arayas a fucking magus! why would he use a rope when hes confident enough about his ability to believe it can hold anyone. honestly that has to have been the stupidest one of them all. And no, he didn't know Shiki could break the seals.. or was his complete surprise when Touka said she could lost on you? 1. Good, I thought you had forgotten, because you seem to be saying that my arguments amount to nothing more than "this character's power is stupid." or "That couldn't happen in real life." 2. Ayaya died and came back (yes, I know. He didn't really die. But that's what it looked like, and it produced the same effect. Touko also mentioned that he could have come back again at the end, except that he didn't prepare another body to move to). Touko died and came back. I hate character revival, and twice is extremely annoying. 3. He watched her break those 3 seals that were surrounding him earlier. He also knew that she had the magic death eyes, or whatever they're called. Why wouldn't he take an extra precaution? |
Ketuekigami said: 3. Arayas a fucking magus! why would he use a rope when hes confident enough about his ability to believe it can hold anyone. honestly that has to have been the stupidest one of them all. And no, he didn't know Shiki could break the seals.. or was his complete surprise when Touka said she could lost on you? Seals as in his defensive magic. As in the things he saw Shiki slash time upon time again. Ketuekigami said: wow, apparently you do have a completely different definition of depth when you are able to compare a PARODY to KnK. if you didn't already know a PARODY has references that are meant to be understood at first glance and are necessary for enjoyment while KnK only has those references to amplify enjoyment for those who notice them. if you didn't already know SZS relies entirely on its parody's while KnK has its own plot that doesn't involve its references. I don't think I have seen examples of more viciously missing the point this badly in a long time... SZS was not a comparison naikou drew. It was an example to show that references does not make depth (why hello there Ergo Proxy fancy seeing you here). And yeah, while being knowledgeable in the Nasuverse probably adds enjoyment to KnK's pile of merit, it doesn't mean those references/whatever make it deep. I find Mujun Rasen internal-symbolically masterful, but not deep. It doesn't wrestle all too far down the hole with any topic relevant to our world. |
How is the world ruled and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists and then believe what they read. | Report rules abuse | Your Panel | Clubs | Messages | Forum | Recent <img src="http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/4672/stuhlbarg.png" /> |
naikou said: Look. All I'm saying is that references don't mean anything by themselves. Can you agree to that? Because that is my point. I'm not trying to draw any sort of connection between SZS and KnK, other than the fact that they both use outside material. i will agree to that. and i did somewhat go off topic, but i guess i was addressing some of your other complaints. i apologize. naikou said: 1. Good, I thought you had forgotten, because you seem to be saying that my arguments amount to nothing more than "this character's power is stupid." or "That couldn't happen in real life." 2. Ayaya died and came back (yes, I know. He didn't really die. But that's what it looked like, and it produced the same effect. Touko also mentioned that he could have come back again at the end, except that he didn't prepare another body to move to). Touko died and came back. I hate character revival, and twice is extremely annoying. 3. He watched her break those 3 seals that were surrounding him earlier. He also knew that she had the magic death eyes, or whatever they're called. Why wouldn't he take an extra precaution? 1. that's because i thought we moved past that argument when i agreed with you a long time ago. i didn't think you were still considering that when i was referring to your other complaints. 2. but that's not a general "plot hole" or "problem" with the overall story, its just something that you don't like. you cant blame KnK for doing something that only you have a problem with. 3. mostly because there is a difference between the seals he used on offense and what he did to trap Shiki. He trapped Shiki in another dimension within the building (closed space i believe). it wasnt something that anyone besides Shiki should be able to escape from. Also, I think your complaints would have been far greater if he used a rope to tie her up instead of magic because she can easily break through any physical object and Araya knows that. Also, he knew about her eyes but just because he knows about them doesn't mean he knows the extent of there ability. she is basically the only person on earth who has them and what they can do is different depending on different circumstances. for example Shiki Tohno would not be able to break out of that dimension but Ryougi can. its not exactly general knowledge among magi, in fact Shiki is without a doubt the first person he met with that ability in his thousands of years alive. |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
Ketuekigami said: 2. but that's not a general "plot hole" or "problem" with the overall story, its just something that you don't like. you cant blame KnK for doing something that only you have a problem with. 3. mostly because there is a difference between the seals he used on offense and what he did to trap Shiki. He trapped Shiki in another dimension within the building (closed space i believe). it wasnt something that anyone besides Shiki should be able to escape from. Also, I think your complaints would have been far greater if he used a rope to tie her up instead of magic because she can easily break through any physical object and Araya knows that. Also, he knew about her eyes but just because he knows about them doesn't mean he knows the extent of there ability. she is basically the only person on earth who has them and what they can do is different depending on different circumstances. for example Shiki Tohno would not be able to break out of that dimension but Ryougi can. 2. Plenty of people hate characters coming back from the dead. There's even a TV Trope for it: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BackFromTheDead And I'd argue that it's lazy writing in any case. It removes all degrees of realism from a literary work, and makes death seem cheap. 3. If he doesn't know the full extent of her ability, isn't that all the more reason he should have been cautious? If I were him, I would have chopped off her arms and legs. |
naikou said: 2. Plenty of people hate characters coming back from the dead. There's even a TV Trope for it: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BackFromTheDead And I'd argue that it's lazy writing in any case. It removes all degrees of realism from a literary work, and makes death seem cheap. that's fine for yours, and whoever has a problem with its, opinion because it is understandable... but you are the first person I've seen to have such a big problem with it. i for one enjoyed how it was done and i know im not the only one. and realism... common now, we're talking about anime that involves magic. please do not use the word realism here. That seems to be biggest problem you are having, trying to use real world logic in an anime about magic. naikou said: 3. If he doesn't know the full extent of her ability, isn't that all the more reason he should have been cautious? If I were him, I would have chopped off her arms and legs. i will agree that chopping of her arms and legs would have been a good idea but you cant just say that he "can" do it. he never had the chance to. getting close to Shiki meant getting cut. his only, and best option by his point of view, was to trap her the way he did. and again, he had enough confidence in himself to believe that she couldn't escape. If you want to complain about anything then do so about his confidence. |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
Ketuekigami said: and realism... common now, we're talking about anime that involves magic. please do not use the word realism here. That seems to be biggest problem you are having, trying to use real world logic in an anime about magic. Yuunagi said: My main beef with Type-Moon works isn't the loopholes. What annoys me is that Type-Moon laws and logic seem to be created specifically to cover loopholes and the lack of regular logic. It takes skill to create a world of fantasy because the writer could easily manipulate the rules to explain what would otherwise be called inconsistencies. Nasu seems to be dependent on it to the point of abuse. Even with magic taken into consideration, bringing people back after a supposed death scene is usually taken as bad practice for writers. Death is reduced to a mere instance wherein one of the characters has run out of tricks. |
YuunagiFeb 6, 2009 8:46 PM
| So I rewrote my review after watching this a second time. Better in some aspects and worse in others. I definitely noticed the whole realism thing the second time through. Some not-so-obvious stuff would include Touko regrowing her teeth, and lack of blood in the stabbing scenes. Touko being able to talk almost normally with her heart ripped out was pretty random too. |
| That kind of stuff doesn't bother me. Well... except maybe the regrowing teeth part, but the rest of the stuff you mentioned is just part of the ride. Yuunagi said: Yuunagi said: My main beef with Type-Moon works isn't the loopholes. What annoys me is that Type-Moon laws and logic seem to be created specifically to cover loopholes and the lack of regular logic. It takes skill to create a world of fantasy because the writer could easily manipulate the rules to explain what would otherwise be called inconsistencies. Nasu seems to be dependent on it to the point of abuse. Even with magic taken into consideration, bringing people back after a supposed death scene is usually taken as bad practice for writers. Death is reduced to a mere instance wherein one of the characters has run out of tricks. qft |
| OK another little thing that I wasn't sure of but went back to confirm. In 1:07:33, Mikiya is on the ground next to Alba during the first Touko's fight. However, (correct me if I'm wrong), he shouldn't be there, right? |
| I would buy the whole DVD set if it comes out in english subs, a boxset would be even better. Maybe I should learn japanese for real, then I could actually enjoy the novels Also, since puppets are created so easily, I don't think they would call it death but more like how machinery fail to work after it gets destroyed. I mean, the "real" or original Touko didn't die, we're talking about souls since Araya n Touko were talking about transferring to another body. So I don't think they made light of death |
KJacketFeb 6, 2009 11:52 PM
 |
KJacket said: Also, since puppets are created so easily, I don't think they would call it death but more like how machinery fail to work after it gets destroyed. I mean, the "real" or original Touko didn't die, we're talking about souls since Araya n Touko were talking about transferring to another body. So I don't think they made light of death Oh, don't open that can of worms again. Apparently, those puppets are harder to make than you could possibly imagine. Like, you'd have better luck rebuilding the Eiffel Tower by yourself with nothing but a pair of tweezers. But yeah, it's still "making light of death". It's playing with the viewers' emotions, and that's a bad thing to do. Now, if anyone dies, we're all going to be pretty skeptical. It's not going to have the same effect. And it's going to feel less intense, knowing that if a character dies, the author has no qualms about using some weird convention to resurrect them. |
| I was skeptical in the fucking first place. Like they would kill Touko off. because come on she's hot |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
naikou said: Naruto, genjutsu, Itachi.Now, if anyone dies, we're all going to be pretty skeptical. It's not going to have the same effect. And it's going to feel less intense, knowing that if a character dies, the author has no qualms about using some weird convention to resurrect them. Yeah, I wish they never did that. |
| I usually like horror, splatter, mystic things and Kajiura...but so far I found every Kara no Kyoukai Movie boring as hell x____X I am trying to like them...but somehow I can't...I almost fell aspleep when I watch them....but it seems that I am the only one on MAL with that problem. |
GladiusFeb 7, 2009 5:48 PM
 |
| i knew it that the other touko was a puppet, glad they didn't killed the hottest character in the movie. Mediocre story, superb animation. 8/10 |
Neverender said: I was skeptical in the fucking first place. Like they would kill Touko off. because come on she's hot exactly |
Ketuekigami said: i will agree that chopping of her arms and legs would have been a good idea but you cant just say that he "can" do it. he never had the chance to. getting close to Shiki meant getting cut. his only, and best option by his point of view, was to trap her the way he did. and again, he had enough confidence in himself to believe that she couldn't escape. If you want to complain about anything then do so about his confidence. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the real reason why Araya wouldn't cut off Shiki's limbs was that he was trying to take over her body? I thought Touko mentioned this somewhere in between... meonlyme775 said: So I rewrote my review after watching this a second time. Better in some aspects and worse in others. I definitely noticed the whole realism thing the second time through. Some not-so-obvious stuff would include Touko regrowing her teeth, and lack of blood in the stabbing scenes. Touko being able to talk almost normally with her heart ripped out was pretty random too. Regrowing her teeth? I would definitely need to rewatch it to catch that... As for the lack of blood in the stabbing scenes, I noticed it at first too, but then I realized the meaning behind it, it was because all of those stabbing scenes without blood were reenactments of what was supposed to happen, and thus they didn't have blood. I'm pretty sure Shiki mentioned this to Enjou, saying that it's not real because of the absense of blood. As for the rating of the movie... I still haven't rated it yet, I'm having mixed feelings about this now... And the real reason why I marathoned KnK was to see if it's really worthy of taking over TTGL. :P And I noticed one more thing, they finally cut down on the amount of raining scenes! XD I was getting slightly annoyed at how much they reused their raining scenes. Sure, they were beautiful and all, but the constant raining in the first four movies really annoyed me there. |
     |
| This movie doesn't deserve 9. Imo 8-7 (for me 7). Question: |
| just stunning, the best "episode" so far. the length had a good impact on this one, because it was able have more details and even more non-story-related stuff, that were necessary to keep on watching(like little breaks to regain your susceptibility!). ive really enjoyed every second of that one! the part after the credits was one of the best of this movie :D cyruz said: quoted pictures inside This was absolutely adorable, too. "absolutely"... |
| Epic. Filled with interesting details, awesome plot and deep characters. Best Kara no Kyoukai so far |
 |
| 10/10 and finally Azaka is in the next movie XD |
| Holy fucking shit. 10/10. Also made me raise my score for Tsuukaku Zanryuu back up to 10. I don't doubt I will watch all these movies again once their all done, I'll be terribly sad once there all over :/ |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
| I was amazed by the lenght of this episodes and now that I've heard the rest will be at same lenght I'm more than happy to continue watching this series to the end. Not that I would'nt have done it anyway. The episode/movie was great! Amazing quality and such as special effects; I praize them sky high! :) |
    |
| As epic as movie 3 for me. Solid 10/10. Shiki was <3 at the end :3 |
 |
| Now that's what I call epic. This movie is simply amazing. |
 |
Xjellocross said: I didn't think much could top the awesomeness of the third movie but damn, this was a masterpiece.  Best part of the movie didn't have anything to do with the plot though. hehe quite! ;) I love Shiki! She's awesome ^^ Her ability is really cool too, and is totally the best I've encountered in any show or comic book I have come across till now... I always wonder and think about this though, if she can see the death (or the lines) of "everything" (Including time and space apparently) can she see the "death" of death too? You know, like bringing "things" or people back to "life"? Anyway, the 2 hours was totally worth it to watch <3 |
| Wow.....The first fight...with all the zombie/dolls....was crazy good. |
 |
| people on this site gives out too many 10s |
      |
| I don't know about you all, but I definitely have to say (after seeing this and Fate/Stay Night) that Enjou Tomoe >>>>>>>>>> Emiya Shiro. Almost makes me wish there was a replacement in casting for the male role in Fate/Stay Night. But to pertain to the movie in question, I gave it a 9 with the other 4 movies being 8's. It was more visually exciting though all the repetition was annoying but somewhat satisfying when the end tied most of it all together. And watching Corenelius go from crazy to sane-crazy to wtfismylifeabout-crazy to omgidontwanttodie-crazy was way too great. Can't wait for the last movie (Azaka isn't much to having, seeing as I haven't seen the TV series yet but plan to next) to show what fully happened to SHIKI (the male one :p). |
| きみ は だれ だい？ ぼく は ラムボ！ ぼく は だれ だい？ きみ は ラムボ！ ラムボ なんでし！ |
Ani-Blast said: TV series No such thing. |
| Geeez Sobzob said: Ani-Blast said: TV series No such thing. I was implying the Tsukihime 12-episode thing that I thought from a random recommendation I saw that they are linking stories. I guess they're in the same universe, but not necessarily am I going to understand anything better seeing that as well? |
| きみ は だれ だい？ ぼく は ラムボ！ ぼく は だれ だい？ きみ は ラムボ！ ラムボ なんでし！ |
More topics from this board
» Which city inspires Mifune CITY?RyogiSHIKI7 - Jul 1 |
5 |
by RyogiSHIKI7
»»
Jul 1, 12:45 PM |
|
» best plot twist in anime history?sabervergarden - Feb 12, 2021 |
11 |
by sudhanshu_hbk
»»
May 11, 8:27 AM |
|
» OMG FIRST PLACE ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )5layer - Feb 2, 2009 |
963 |
by Zoshlog
»»
Mar 14, 12:59 PM |
|
» why peaple gave this episode low rate to be lower than it deserve? this episode is masterpieceRCvvvv - Sep 17, 2022 |
17 |
by Phloup
»»
Sep 17, 2022 4:03 PM |
|
Poll: » which is the best ost from ufotabledixoncider8142 - Feb 4, 2022 |
6 |
by JJxy
»»
Mar 29, 2022 5:58 AM |