Why is there so much hate for longer anime series?

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People nowadays have no attention spans. Nothing beats being a fan of long shows though. In the time you rewatch your favorite show 30 times until you can't stand it anymore, I'll still be watching new One Piece episodes for the first time.
I'm just glad I can get into long series. If you love a show more is always better than less.

I probably regret this post by now.

Feb 22, 2014 2:39 PM

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tsudecimo said:

Nicobade said:

tsudecimo said:

Nicobade said:

Well to start off I want to explain something about how I would classify a plot hole. When I discuss whether something is a plot hole, I am not looking for possible subtle explanations that could solve the plot hole like "maybe if by saying that what he really meant was this". What I am trying to do is get in the mind of the mangaka and trying to figure out what they were trying to convey to the readers given the context of the story at the time. I'll explain more with examples as I go on.

I don't think we are going to reach a conclusion with this Madara age thing. I would leave it at this: Madara said that he died shortly after awakening his rinnegan however upon examination that time period is actually quite long. I think that Kishi's full intent was for the statement to imply that it was a short time the same way that anyone would consider a short time but he didn't think properly about how much time had actually passed.

Not sure where it said that Zabuza killed his class mates 11 years before the series. If you have an image from the anime or manga chapter saying this then please link. If this was in fact stated I would still find it hard to believe since that would mean that Zabuza graduated when he was 15. 15 years is much older than most students graduation so that would imply that Zabuza was a failure of a ninja instead of a dangerous prodigy.

Otherwise I am pretty sure that Zabuza killed his classmates before Obito became Tobi. The databook states that Zabuza graduated when he was 9 which is around 5 years before Obito becoming Tobi.

It is true that Kakashi not using his MS any time in the pre TS isn't proof that he didn't have it. However Kishi didn't make any indication whatsoever that maybe he did have MS, most likely because he never thought of the idea until post TS. If Kakashi had MS for like 13 years but never realized he had it until sometime during the TS then there must be some explanation given for how that happened, however given the current situation in the manga it is unlikely that this will ever get explained.

There is certainly heavy implication that Kakashi feels guilty over the loss of someone but that isn't the same as implications that Kakashi has always had the MS.

The Kakashi MS thing may not exactly be a plot hole but I do think that it is an example of poor writing since it is very clear that we were meant to think that Kakashi only unlocked the MS during the TS only for this to be changed revealing that Kakashi always had it. This may sound fine to some but IMO it is poorly executed because of the lack of clues that would explain this sudden revelation. Because of this lack of indication it only leads me to believe that Kishi wasn't thinking ahead and had no intention of revealing such a thing until he was already well into writing part 2 of the series.

There really shouldn't be any debate about the age. Majority of character's ages as well as graduation ages are clearly stated in databooks which are written by Kishimoto himself.

Honestly what it all really comes down to are 2 very poignant problems in the way that Kishi writes.
No 1. Kishi does not keep track of the timeline of his own series leading to continuity problems.
No. 2 Kishi does not properly think ahead leading to him writing himself into a wall multiple times and causing ass pulls. People can argue all they want about whether there is any evidence to explain these things but if he just thought ahead and included foreshadowing then nobody would be questioning these things.

I will concede that my points about the Kyuubi and Kisame are not strong enough to prove anything. All I will say is that even if Kishi always knew that he was going to reveal Tobi as Obito, whenever he wrote Tobi's actions in the story he wrote them from the perspective of Madara behind the mask instead of Obito behind the mask.

If the Village of the Bloody Mist had been made before Yagura was being controlled that brings up a lot of questions about why he did so which probably won't get answered since he has been sealed.

If the sharingan user wasn't Obito? Who could it have been?
The hair style and length match the same person who aided Itachi in the Uchiha Massacre who we can also assume was Obito. There are only so many Sharingan users in the world that have the motive and ability to do such a thing and it's a bit late in the series to have another plot twist.

Tobi's naming, hairstyle and the similar design of Kakashi's Kamui to his space time jutsu were literally the only clues I could possibly think of that ever indicated Obito was Tobi. What you are suggesting right now is that Kishi wrote a "red herring" where something was designed to lead viewers to a false conclusion (Tobi was Madara) so they don't pay attention to the truth leading to interesting twist. A good twist is one where no-one manages to predict it but looking back on everything it all makes sense. This is not at all what happened with the Tobi reveal. Tobi's identity had been discussed for several years and Obito had always been the most obvious theory by far but it was never the most supported theory because it didn't make any sense.

Kishi has provided a flashback that has tried to explain some things but the big problem is that there was still never very few underlying clues beforehand to support this. From what we knew of Tobi before the reveal he was a powerful enigmatic figure who was a master of many ninjutsu, knew about the history of shinobi and had a grand plan to engulf the world in eternal sleep. What we knew about Obito...was that he was a fairly weak chunin ninja who knew the fireball jutsu and had a crush on a girl and an inferiority complex to Kakashi...

This transition is just so unbelievably drastic that there needed to be some good clues to make it smoother but there wasn't. Maybe if there was some clues that Tobi's Moon Eyes Plan was actually personal to him or some indication that Tobi knew Minato or Kakashi when he encountered each of them or maybe an indication Obito actually had a lot of hidden potential beyond what we saw of him in Kakashi Gaiden. None of these clues were present, whenever Tobi appeared he gave of the presence of Madara and not a single bit of Obito which is what I meant by Kishi wrote him from the perspective of Madara even if he knew in the back of his mind that he was meant to be Obito.

Feb 22, 2014 3:05 PM

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Nicobade said:

tsudecimo said:

Nicobade said:

tsudecimo said:

Nicobade said:

Well to start off I want to explain something about how I would classify a plot hole. When I discuss whether something is a plot hole, I am not looking for possible subtle explanations that could solve the plot hole like "maybe if by saying that what he really meant was this". What I am trying to do is get in the mind of the mangaka and trying to figure out what they were trying to convey to the readers given the context of the story at the time. I'll explain more with examples as I go on.

I don't think we are going to reach a conclusion with this Madara age thing. I would leave it at this: Madara said that he died shortly after awakening his rinnegan however upon examination that time period is actually quite long. I think that Kishi's full intent was for the statement to imply that it was a short time the same way that anyone would consider a short time but he didn't think properly about how much time had actually passed.

Not sure where it said that Zabuza killed his class mates 11 years before the series. If you have an image from the anime or manga chapter saying this then please link. If this was in fact stated I would still find it hard to believe since that would mean that Zabuza graduated when he was 15. 15 years is much older than most students graduation so that would imply that Zabuza was a failure of a ninja instead of a dangerous prodigy.

Otherwise I am pretty sure that Zabuza killed his classmates before Obito became Tobi. The databook states that Zabuza graduated when he was 9 which is around 5 years before Obito becoming Tobi.

It is true that Kakashi not using his MS any time in the pre TS isn't proof that he didn't have it. However Kishi didn't make any indication whatsoever that maybe he did have MS, most likely because he never thought of the idea until post TS. If Kakashi had MS for like 13 years but never realized he had it until sometime during the TS then there must be some explanation given for how that happened, however given the current situation in the manga it is unlikely that this will ever get explained.

There is certainly heavy implication that Kakashi feels guilty over the loss of someone but that isn't the same as implications that Kakashi has always had the MS.

The Kakashi MS thing may not exactly be a plot hole but I do think that it is an example of poor writing since it is very clear that we were meant to think that Kakashi only unlocked the MS during the TS only for this to be changed revealing that Kakashi always had it. This may sound fine to some but IMO it is poorly executed because of the lack of clues that would explain this sudden revelation. Because of this lack of indication it only leads me to believe that Kishi wasn't thinking ahead and had no intention of revealing such a thing until he was already well into writing part 2 of the series.

There really shouldn't be any debate about the age. Majority of character's ages as well as graduation ages are clearly stated in databooks which are written by Kishimoto himself.

Honestly what it all really comes down to are 2 very poignant problems in the way that Kishi writes.
No 1. Kishi does not keep track of the timeline of his own series leading to continuity problems.
No. 2 Kishi does not properly think ahead leading to him writing himself into a wall multiple times and causing ass pulls. People can argue all they want about whether there is any evidence to explain these things but if he just thought ahead and included foreshadowing then nobody would be questioning these things.

I will concede that my points about the Kyuubi and Kisame are not strong enough to prove anything. All I will say is that even if Kishi always knew that he was going to reveal Tobi as Obito, whenever he wrote Tobi's actions in the story he wrote them from the perspective of Madara behind the mask instead of Obito behind the mask.

If the Village of the Bloody Mist had been made before Yagura was being controlled that brings up a lot of questions about why he did so which probably won't get answered since he has been sealed.

If the sharingan user wasn't Obito? Who could it have been?
The hair style and length match the same person who aided Itachi in the Uchiha Massacre who we can also assume was Obito. There are only so many Sharingan users in the world that have the motive and ability to do such a thing and it's a bit late in the series to have another plot twist.

Tobi's naming, hairstyle and the similar design of Kakashi's Kamui to his space time jutsu were literally the only clues I could possibly think of that ever indicated Obito was Tobi. What you are suggesting right now is that Kishi wrote a "red herring" where something was designed to lead viewers to a false conclusion (Tobi was Madara) so they don't pay attention to the truth leading to interesting twist. A good twist is one where no-one manages to predict it but looking back on everything it all makes sense. This is not at all what happened with the Tobi reveal. Tobi's identity had been discussed for several years and Obito had always been the most obvious theory by far but it was never the most supported theory because it didn't make any sense.

Kishi has provided a flashback that has tried to explain some things but the big problem is that there was still never very few underlying clues beforehand to support this. From what we knew of Tobi before the reveal he was a powerful enigmatic figure who was a master of many ninjutsu, knew about the history of shinobi and had a grand plan to engulf the world in eternal sleep. What we knew about Obito...was that he was a fairly weak chunin ninja who knew the fireball jutsu and had a crush on a girl and an inferiority complex to Kakashi...

This transition is just so unbelievably drastic that there needed to be some good clues to make it smoother but there wasn't. Maybe if there was some clues that Tobi's Moon Eyes Plan was actually personal to him or some indication that Tobi knew Minato or Kakashi when he encountered each of them or maybe an indication Obito actually had a lot of hidden potential beyond what we saw of him in Kakashi Gaiden. None of these clues were present, whenever Tobi appeared he gave of the presence of Madara and not a single bit of Obito which is what I meant by Kishi wrote him from the perspective of Madara even if he knew in the back of his mind that he was meant to be Obito.

Feb 22, 2014 3:26 PM

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This is why shows like this bug me. Characters at one point of time are relevant then suddenly disappear for 50+ chapters.

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Feb 22, 2014 3:28 PM

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Have you ever looked at one of those long runners that you hated yet completed or dropped, then wished you could have used that time to complete like 4-5 regular length slows on your ptw?

Yeah, it's like that.

Feb 22, 2014 3:33 PM

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Cupquake said:
Have you ever looked at one of those long runners that you hated yet completed or dropped, then wished you could have used that time to complete like 4-5 regular length slows on your ptw?

Yeah, it's like that.

Have you ever looked at 4 - 5 regular series that are shittty(which is easier to run into than the opposite) and wished you could have used that time to watch one good big series?

Yeah it's like that.

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Feb 22, 2014 3:38 PM

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IntroverTurtle said:

Cupquake said:
Have you ever looked at one of those long runners that you hated yet completed or dropped, then wished you could have used that time to complete like 4-5 regular length slows on your ptw?

Yeah, it's like that.

Have you ever looked at 4 - 5 regular series that are shittty(which is easier to run into than the opposite) and wished you could have used that time to watch one good big series?

Yeah it's like that.

Yeah I have, mostly with ecchi shows. But at leasty I got to see a lot of different stories, in contrast to being stuck with the same one.

Basically I get more pissed if I don't like a show that I invested a lot of time on vs. a show I didn't really invest that much time on.

Feb 22, 2014 3:43 PM

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Cupquake said:

IntroverTurtle said:

Cupquake said:
Have you ever looked at one of those long runners that you hated yet completed or dropped, then wished you could have used that time to complete like 4-5 regular length slows on your ptw?

Yeah, it's like that.

Have you ever looked at 4 - 5 regular series that are shittty(which is easier to run into than the opposite) and wished you could have used that time to watch one good big series?

Yeah it's like that.

Yeah I have, mostly with ecchi shows. But at leasty I got to see a lot of different stories, in contrast to being stuck with the same one.

Basically I get more pissed if I don't like a show that I invested a lot of time on vs. a show I didn't really invest that much time on.

Let's change it from anime to stories for a second. Do you dislike being stuck with One Piece? Would you have rather have read multiple different stories?

Of course, but the opposite applies too, what you get out of a long story you liked could be more than what you get out of a short story that you liked because of that time investment.

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Feb 22, 2014 3:49 PM

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IntroverTurtle said:

Cupquake said:

IntroverTurtle said:

Cupquake said:
Have you ever looked at one of those long runners that you hated yet completed or dropped, then wished you could have used that time to complete like 4-5 regular length slows on your ptw?

Yeah, it's like that.

Have you ever looked at 4 - 5 regular series that are shittty(which is easier to run into than the opposite) and wished you could have used that time to watch one good big series?

Yeah it's like that.

Yeah I have, mostly with ecchi shows. But at leasty I got to see a lot of different stories, in contrast to being stuck with the same one.

Basically I get more pissed if I don't like a show that I invested a lot of time on vs. a show I didn't really invest that much time on.

Let's change it from anime to stories for a second. Do you not like being stuck with One Piece?

Of course, but the opposite applies too, what you get out of a long story you liked could be more than what you get out of a short story that you liked because of that time investment.

Yeah, when you like long series it's much more rewarding, but I don't like to take risks, dabbling with a bunch of series and genres has worked better for me thus far.

I'm much more willing to read long manga, but even so, I find shorts to be the most satisfying reads.

My explanation for long series hate is people (or just me) don't' like being disappointed by long series.

Feb 22, 2014 3:52 PM

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Cupquake said:
Have you ever looked at one of those long runners that you hated yet completed or dropped, then wished you could have used that time to complete like 4-5 regular length slows on your ptw?

Yeah, it's like that.

Never really happened to me. Not even for Bleach, which sucked hard for the most part. I probably saved myself from those regrets by skipping fillers.

I probably regret this post by now.

Feb 22, 2014 3:57 PM

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Yeah, when you like long series it's much more rewarding, but I don't like to take risks, dabbling with a bunch of series and genres has worked better for me thus far.

I'm much more willing to read long manga, but even so, I find shorts to be the most satisfying reads.

My explanation for long series hate is people (or just me) don't' like being disappointed by long series.

Yet for both your anime and manga, the longer series compared to short ones have a higher average score. And why can't you do both.

And my explanation for long series love is people(and I know it's not just me) find that they get more out of a longer series than a short one when it does it right and often find themselves wishing a series would be longer so we could see more of the characters, story, etc. And more long series do it right than short series do, of course relatively.

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Feb 22, 2014 4:03 PM

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And my explanation for long series love is people(and I know it's not just me) find that they get more out of a longer series than a short one when it does it right and often find themselves wishing a series would be longer so we could see more of the characters, story, etc. And more long series do it right than short series do, of course relatively.

Quoted for truth <3.

It's not that surprising either because if an anime/manga gets a long runtime and isn't cancelled early on, chances are it's because most people love/like it.

And shorter anime often suffer from being extremely incomplete and only advertisment for the manga/LN/VN they're adapting. If there were more completed stories in 1-cour series I'd definitely care less about the length of a show.

I probably regret this post by now.

Feb 22, 2014 4:16 PM

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tsudecimo said:

Nicobade said:

tsudecimo said:

Nicobade said:

tsudecimo said:

Nicobade said:

Well to start off I want to explain something about how I would classify a plot hole. When I discuss whether something is a plot hole, I am not looking for possible subtle explanations that could solve the plot hole like "maybe if by saying that what he really meant was this". What I am trying to do is get in the mind of the mangaka and trying to figure out what they were trying to convey to the readers given the context of the story at the time. I'll explain more with examples as I go on.

I don't think we are going to reach a conclusion with this Madara age thing. I would leave it at this: Madara said that he died shortly after awakening his rinnegan however upon examination that time period is actually quite long. I think that Kishi's full intent was for the statement to imply that it was a short time the same way that anyone would consider a short time but he didn't think properly about how much time had actually passed.

Not sure where it said that Zabuza killed his class mates 11 years before the series. If you have an image from the anime or manga chapter saying this then please link. If this was in fact stated I would still find it hard to believe since that would mean that Zabuza graduated when he was 15. 15 years is much older than most students graduation so that would imply that Zabuza was a failure of a ninja instead of a dangerous prodigy.

Otherwise I am pretty sure that Zabuza killed his classmates before Obito became Tobi. The databook states that Zabuza graduated when he was 9 which is around 5 years before Obito becoming Tobi.

It is true that Kakashi not using his MS any time in the pre TS isn't proof that he didn't have it. However Kishi didn't make any indication whatsoever that maybe he did have MS, most likely because he never thought of the idea until post TS. If Kakashi had MS for like 13 years but never realized he had it until sometime during the TS then there must be some explanation given for how that happened, however given the current situation in the manga it is unlikely that this will ever get explained.

There is certainly heavy implication that Kakashi feels guilty over the loss of someone but that isn't the same as implications that Kakashi has always had the MS.

The Kakashi MS thing may not exactly be a plot hole but I do think that it is an example of poor writing since it is very clear that we were meant to think that Kakashi only unlocked the MS during the TS only for this to be changed revealing that Kakashi always had it. This may sound fine to some but IMO it is poorly executed because of the lack of clues that would explain this sudden revelation. Because of this lack of indication it only leads me to believe that Kishi wasn't thinking ahead and had no intention of revealing such a thing until he was already well into writing part 2 of the series.

There really shouldn't be any debate about the age. Majority of character's ages as well as graduation ages are clearly stated in databooks which are written by Kishimoto himself.

Honestly what it all really comes down to are 2 very poignant problems in the way that Kishi writes.
No 1. Kishi does not keep track of the timeline of his own series leading to continuity problems.
No. 2 Kishi does not properly think ahead leading to him writing himself into a wall multiple times and causing ass pulls. People can argue all they want about whether there is any evidence to explain these things but if he just thought ahead and included foreshadowing then nobody would be questioning these things.

I will concede that my points about the Kyuubi and Kisame are not strong enough to prove anything. All I will say is that even if Kishi always knew that he was going to reveal Tobi as Obito, whenever he wrote Tobi's actions in the story he wrote them from the perspective of Madara behind the mask instead of Obito behind the mask.

If the Village of the Bloody Mist had been made before Yagura was being controlled that brings up a lot of questions about why he did so which probably won't get answered since he has been sealed.

If the sharingan user wasn't Obito? Who could it have been?
The hair style and length match the same person who aided Itachi in the Uchiha Massacre who we can also assume was Obito. There are only so many Sharingan users in the world that have the motive and ability to do such a thing and it's a bit late in the series to have another plot twist.

Tobi's naming, hairstyle and the similar design of Kakashi's Kamui to his space time jutsu were literally the only clues I could possibly think of that ever indicated Obito was Tobi. What you are suggesting right now is that Kishi wrote a "red herring" where something was designed to lead viewers to a false conclusion (Tobi was Madara) so they don't pay attention to the truth leading to interesting twist. A good twist is one where no-one manages to predict it but looking back on everything it all makes sense. This is not at all what happened with the Tobi reveal. Tobi's identity had been discussed for several years and Obito had always been the most obvious theory by far but it was never the most supported theory because it didn't make any sense.

Kishi has provided a flashback that has tried to explain some things but the big problem is that there was still never very few underlying clues beforehand to support this. From what we knew of Tobi before the reveal he was a powerful enigmatic figure who was a master of many ninjutsu, knew about the history of shinobi and had a grand plan to engulf the world in eternal sleep. What we knew about Obito...was that he was a fairly weak chunin ninja who knew the fireball jutsu and had a crush on a girl and an inferiority complex to Kakashi...

This transition is just so unbelievably drastic that there needed to be some good clues to make it smoother but there wasn't. Maybe if there was some clues that Tobi's Moon Eyes Plan was actually personal to him or some indication that Tobi knew Minato or Kakashi when he encountered each of them or maybe an indication Obito actually had a lot of hidden potential beyond what we saw of him in Kakashi Gaiden. None of these clues were present, whenever Tobi appeared he gave of the presence of Madara and not a single bit of Obito which is what I meant by Kishi wrote him from the perspective of Madara even if he knew in the back of his mind that he was meant to be Obito.

Yes that seems far fetched and from the point that the manga is up to I think it would be unlikely for something such as that to be revealed any time before the series ends.

The situation about Rin being a Jinchuriki is a different matter but it is an extremely convoluted idea. I think the plan was that Kirigakure wanted to capture her and implant the 3 tails in her then let her be rescued and then she would release the 3 tails to attack Konoha. There are an unbelievable amount of holes in this plan like Rin being an insignificant ninja that Konoha probably shouldn't care that much about, Rin not having any particular traits that would make her a suitable host, Rin could easily kill herself to stop the plan which is what happened and the Kirigakure ninja had no way to ensure that somehow the Three Tails got released once Rin returned to Konoha.

If you did see some clues with Tobi's encounter with Minato and Kakashi please reference them because to me those encounters seemed completely neutral and impersonal. I'm not saying that Kishi didn't plan to have Tobi be Obito, all I am saying is that he didn't bother to include sufficient foreshadowing. I don't think the Itachi plot twist was amazingly executed but for the most part it made sense and the clues were very much there since they seemed to emphasize how kind Itachi was in flashbacks thus making the massacre seem out of character.

Well I don't like how Obito is nothing like Tobi. I already made my comparison between the 2 and explained how there wasn't a smooth transition between them.

Another big problem is that there exists a huge lack of correlation between Obito's motive and his actions. Obito is pretty much doing all of this because his crush, Rin, died which is a very weak shitty motive considering the incredible atrocities that he has committed. Obito is probably responsible for the deaths of tens if not hundreds of thousands of people through his creation of the Akatsuki, attack on Konoha, control of the Village of the Bloody Mist and starting the 4th Great Shinobi World War.

While other villains like Nagato have had their world views shaped by years of suffering and multiple traumatic incidents including: having his parents killed in front of him, struggling as an orphan on the street, seeing your country torn apart by foreign invaders and inadvertently killing your own best friend. Obito's entire world view is due to a single event when he was a hormonal teenager. There are other factors like Madara's manipulation and what not but at it's core Rin is the entire driving force behind Obito's actions. This is especially clear in the manga where Kishi sought to remind us this by making Obito make a speech about Rin almost every single chapter since he was revealed. If Obito had a different backstory he could have still seem like a badass villain but with a twisted outlook on life shaped by horrible hardship that we could sympathise with. Instead Obito comes off as a emo man-child, who has been given way too much power, and won't grow up and get over the chick that he wanted to bone when he was 12.

Feb 22, 2014 4:17 PM

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Cupquake said:
Yeah, when you like long series it's much more rewarding, but I don't like to take risks, dabbling with a bunch of series and genres has worked better for me thus far.

I'm much more willing to read long manga, but even so, I find shorts to be the most satisfying reads.

My explanation for long series hate is people (or just me) don't' like being disappointed by long series.

Yet for both your anime and manga, the longer series compared to short ones have a higher average score. And why can't you do both.

For manga, it's a combination of bad one shots and the fact that I am more willing to try short series even if the MAL score is lower. I don't usually start a long series unless it has a pretty high MAL score.
I do try to do both, at least for manga. For anime, it's cause of time restrictions.

Feb 22, 2014 4:24 PM

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Cupquake said:

IntroverTurtle said:

Cupquake said:
Yeah, when you like long series it's much more rewarding, but I don't like to take risks, dabbling with a bunch of series and genres has worked better for me thus far.

I'm much more willing to read long manga, but even so, I find shorts to be the most satisfying reads.

My explanation for long series hate is people (or just me) don't' like being disappointed by long series.

Yet for both your anime and manga, the longer series compared to short ones have a higher average score. And why can't you do both.

For manga, it's a combination of bad one shots and the fact that I am more willing to try short series even if the MAL score is lower. I don't usually start a long series unless it has a pretty high MAL score.
I do try to do both, at least for manga. For anime, it's cause of time restrictions.

It's a lot easier to read a 700 chapter manga than a 500 episode anime, for instance, because reading a chapter doesn't take nearly as long as watching an episode. So that's probably why.

Feb 22, 2014 4:28 PM

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SolBlade said:

Cupquake said:

IntroverTurtle said:

Cupquake said:
Yeah, when you like long series it's much more rewarding, but I don't like to take risks, dabbling with a bunch of series and genres has worked better for me thus far.

I'm much more willing to read long manga, but even so, I find shorts to be the most satisfying reads.

My explanation for long series hate is people (or just me) don't' like being disappointed by long series.

Yet for both your anime and manga, the longer series compared to short ones have a higher average score. And why can't you do both.

For manga, it's a combination of bad one shots and the fact that I am more willing to try short series even if the MAL score is lower. I don't usually start a long series unless it has a pretty high MAL score.
I do try to do both, at least for manga. For anime, it's cause of time restrictions.

It's a lot easier to read a 700 chapter manga than a 500 episode anime, for instance, because reading a chapter doesn't take nearly as long as watching an episode. So that's probably why.

For me it's the other way round, unless I have hardcopies of the manga. I just hat reading on screen and the amount of clicking you need to do to go to the next page will ruin my fingers for a 700 chapter manga. I find it easier marathoning long-running anime.

I probably regret this post by now.

Feb 22, 2014 4:30 PM

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Higashi_no_Kaze said:

SolBlade said:

Cupquake said:

IntroverTurtle said:

Cupquake said:
Yeah, when you like long series it's much more rewarding, but I don't like to take risks, dabbling with a bunch of series and genres has worked better for me thus far.

I'm much more willing to read long manga, but even so, I find shorts to be the most satisfying reads.

My explanation for long series hate is people (or just me) don't' like being disappointed by long series.

Yet for both your anime and manga, the longer series compared to short ones have a higher average score. And why can't you do both.

For manga, it's a combination of bad one shots and the fact that I am more willing to try short series even if the MAL score is lower. I don't usually start a long series unless it has a pretty high MAL score.
I do try to do both, at least for manga. For anime, it's cause of time restrictions.

It's a lot easier to read a 700 chapter manga than a 500 episode anime, for instance, because reading a chapter doesn't take nearly as long as watching an episode. So that's probably why.

For me it's the other way round, unless I have hardcopies of the manga. I just hat reading on screen and the amount of clicking you need to do to go to the next page will ruin my fingers for a 700 chapter manga. I find it easier marathoning long-running anime.

I think I've sat down and read 100 chapters of Fairy Tail in like 2 hours...

I read manga on my iPad, so it's more like a book, I guess.

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Cupquake said:

Higashi_no_Kaze said:

SolBlade said:

Cupquake said:

IntroverTurtle said:

Cupquake said:
Yeah, when you like long series it's much more rewarding, but I don't like to take risks, dabbling with a bunch of series and genres has worked better for me thus far.

I'm much more willing to read long manga, but even so, I find shorts to be the most satisfying reads.

My explanation for long series hate is people (or just me) don't' like being disappointed by long series.

Yet for both your anime and manga, the longer series compared to short ones have a higher average score. And why can't you do both.

For manga, it's a combination of bad one shots and the fact that I am more willing to try short series even if the MAL score is lower. I don't usually start a long series unless it has a pretty high MAL score.
I do try to do both, at least for manga. For anime, it's cause of time restrictions.

It's a lot easier to read a 700 chapter manga than a 500 episode anime, for instance, because reading a chapter doesn't take nearly as long as watching an episode. So that's probably why.

For me it's the other way round, unless I have hardcopies of the manga. I just hat reading on screen and the amount of clicking you need to do to go to the next page will ruin my fingers for a 700 chapter manga. I find it easier marathoning long-running anime.

I think I've sat down and read 100 chapters of Fairy Tail in like 2 hours...

I read manga on my iPad, so it's more like a book, I guess.

I'm not debating that it's faster, but I don't find it easier and/or more enjoyable.

iPad is probably better than on a computer screen, but I'm a heavy collector of printed media (books, comics, manga) and even if I read something good online, I would buy it afterwards to add it to my collection, so I spare myself the trouble of tempting myself to spend even more money, lol.

I probably regret this post by now.

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Nicobade said:

tsudecimo said:

Nicobade said:

tsudecimo said:

Nicobade said:

tsudecimo said:

Nicobade said:

Well to start off I want to explain something about how I would classify a plot hole. When I discuss whether something is a plot hole, I am not looking for possible subtle explanations that could solve the plot hole like "maybe if by saying that what he really meant was this". What I am trying to do is get in the mind of the mangaka and trying to figure out what they were trying to convey to the readers given the context of the story at the time. I'll explain more with examples as I go on.

I don't think we are going to reach a conclusion with this Madara age thing. I would leave it at this: Madara said that he died shortly after awakening his rinnegan however upon examination that time period is actually quite long. I think that Kishi's full intent was for the statement to imply that it was a short time the same way that anyone would consider a short time but he didn't think properly about how much time had actually passed.

Not sure where it said that Zabuza killed his class mates 11 years before the series. If you have an image from the anime or manga chapter saying this then please link. If this was in fact stated I would still find it hard to believe since that would mean that Zabuza graduated when he was 15. 15 years is much older than most students graduation so that would imply that Zabuza was a failure of a ninja instead of a dangerous prodigy.

Otherwise I am pretty sure that Zabuza killed his classmates before Obito became Tobi. The databook states that Zabuza graduated when he was 9 which is around 5 years before Obito becoming Tobi.

It is true that Kakashi not using his MS any time in the pre TS isn't proof that he didn't have it. However Kishi didn't make any indication whatsoever that maybe he did have MS, most likely because he never thought of the idea until post TS. If Kakashi had MS for like 13 years but never realized he had it until sometime during the TS then there must be some explanation given for how that happened, however given the current situation in the manga it is unlikely that this will ever get explained.

There is certainly heavy implication that Kakashi feels guilty over the loss of someone but that isn't the same as implications that Kakashi has always had the MS.

The Kakashi MS thing may not exactly be a plot hole but I do think that it is an example of poor writing since it is very clear that we were meant to think that Kakashi only unlocked the MS during the TS only for this to be changed revealing that Kakashi always had it. This may sound fine to some but IMO it is poorly executed because of the lack of clues that would explain this sudden revelation. Because of this lack of indication it only leads me to believe that Kishi wasn't thinking ahead and had no intention of revealing such a thing until he was already well into writing part 2 of the series.

There really shouldn't be any debate about the age. Majority of character's ages as well as graduation ages are clearly stated in databooks which are written by Kishimoto himself.

Honestly what it all really comes down to are 2 very poignant problems in the way that Kishi writes.
No 1. Kishi does not keep track of the timeline of his own series leading to continuity problems.
No. 2 Kishi does not properly think ahead leading to him writing himself into a wall multiple times and causing ass pulls. People can argue all they want about whether there is any evidence to explain these things but if he just thought ahead and included foreshadowing then nobody would be questioning these things.

I will concede that my points about the Kyuubi and Kisame are not strong enough to prove anything. All I will say is that even if Kishi always knew that he was going to reveal Tobi as Obito, whenever he wrote Tobi's actions in the story he wrote them from the perspective of Madara behind the mask instead of Obito behind the mask.

If the Village of the Bloody Mist had been made before Yagura was being controlled that brings up a lot of questions about why he did so which probably won't get answered since he has been sealed.

If the sharingan user wasn't Obito? Who could it have been?
The hair style and length match the same person who aided Itachi in the Uchiha Massacre who we can also assume was Obito. There are only so many Sharingan users in the world that have the motive and ability to do such a thing and it's a bit late in the series to have another plot twist.

Tobi's naming, hairstyle and the similar design of Kakashi's Kamui to his space time jutsu were literally the only clues I could possibly think of that ever indicated Obito was Tobi. What you are suggesting right now is that Kishi wrote a "red herring" where something was designed to lead viewers to a false conclusion (Tobi was Madara) so they don't pay attention to the truth leading to interesting twist. A good twist is one where no-one manages to predict it but looking back on everything it all makes sense. This is not at all what happened with the Tobi reveal. Tobi's identity had been discussed for several years and Obito had always been the most obvious theory by far but it was never the most supported theory because it didn't make any sense.

Kishi has provided a flashback that has tried to explain some things but the big problem is that there was still never very few underlying clues beforehand to support this. From what we knew of Tobi before the reveal he was a powerful enigmatic figure who was a master of many ninjutsu, knew about the history of shinobi and had a grand plan to engulf the world in eternal sleep. What we knew about Obito...was that he was a fairly weak chunin ninja who knew the fireball jutsu and had a crush on a girl and an inferiority complex to Kakashi...

This transition is just so unbelievably drastic that there needed to be some good clues to make it smoother but there wasn't. Maybe if there was some clues that Tobi's Moon Eyes Plan was actually personal to him or some indication that Tobi knew Minato or Kakashi when he encountered each of them or maybe an indication Obito actually had a lot of hidden potential beyond what we saw of him in Kakashi Gaiden. None of these clues were present, whenever Tobi appeared he gave of the presence of Madara and not a single bit of Obito which is what I meant by Kishi wrote him from the perspective of Madara even if he knew in the back of his mind that he was meant to be Obito.

Yes that seems far fetched and from the point that the manga is up to I think it would be unlikely for something such as that to be revealed any time before the series ends.

The situation about Rin being a Jinchuriki is a different matter but it is an extremely convoluted idea. I think the plan was that Kirigakure wanted to capture her and implant the 3 tails in her then let her be rescued and then she would release the 3 tails to attack Konoha. There are an unbelievable amount of holes in this plan like Rin being an insignificant ninja that Konoha probably shouldn't care that much about, Rin not having any particular traits that would make her a suitable host, Rin could easily kill herself to stop the plan which is what happened and the Kirigakure ninja had no way to ensure that somehow the Three Tails got released once Rin returned to Konoha.

If you did see some clues with Tobi's encounter with Minato and Kakashi please reference them because to me those encounters seemed completely neutral and impersonal. I'm not saying that Kishi didn't plan to have Tobi be Obito, all I am saying is that he didn't bother to include sufficient foreshadowing. I don't think the Itachi plot twist was amazingly executed but for the most part it made sense and the clues were very much there since they seemed to emphasize how kind Itachi was in flashbacks thus making the massacre seem out of character.

Well I don't like how Obito is nothing like Tobi. I already made my comparison between the 2 and explained how there wasn't a smooth transition between them.

Another big problem is that there exists a huge lack of correlation between Obito's motive and his actions. Obito is pretty much doing all of this because his crush, Rin, died which is a very weak shitty motive considering the incredible atrocities that he has committed. Obito is probably responsible for the deaths of tens if not hundreds of thousands of people through his creation of the Akatsuki, attack on Konoha, control of the Village of the Bloody Mist and starting the 4th Great Shinobi World War.

While other villains like Nagato have had their world views shaped by years of suffering and multiple traumatic incidents including: having his parents killed in front of him, struggling as an orphan on the street, seeing your country torn apart by foreign invaders and inadvertently killing your own best friend. Obito's entire world view is due to a single event when he was a hormonal teenager. There are other factors like Madara's manipulation and what not but at it's core Rin is the entire driving force behind Obito's actions. This is especially clear in the manga where Kishi sought to remind us this by making Obito make a speech about Rin almost every single chapter since he was revealed. If Obito had a different backstory he could have still seem like a badass villain but with a twisted outlook on life shaped by horrible hardship that we could sympathise with. Instead Obito comes off as a emo man-child, who has been given way too much power, and won't grow up and get over the chick that he wanted to bone when he was 12.

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I read manga on my iPad, so it's more like a book, I guess.

Do you read it online while on it or do you transfer the files from you PC to the iPad?

Feb 22, 2014 5:31 PM

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tsudecimo said:

Cupquake said:

I read manga on my iPad, so it's more like a book, I guess.

Do you read it online while on it or do you transfer the files from you PC to the iPad?

Used the mangastorm app

Feb 22, 2014 5:32 PM

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Kaimon237 said:

IntroverTurtle said:

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because the longer it is the greater chances of it sucking

The shorter the anime the higher the chance that it sucks though. The ones that get large are the ones a lot of people like. Any crappy anime can get 13 episodes.

This. There are way more shitty 12/13 episode anime than people like to admit. If an anime is that short there's a higher chance it'll be bad or average at best unless it has -really- good pacing.

And like RRF said, some shows -need- to be longer. Something like One Piece couldn't be done in 50-100 episodes. Hell, same with Naruto and Hunter x Hunter. Even FMAB needed more than 60.

#2Cents

FMAB didn't need more than 60, they could have skipped many of those fillers and actually cut down on the number of episodes. Also a shitty 12/13 ep anime doesn't leave such a bad taste as a long running one because of the investment, with a short anime you can see it's garbage half way in (6 eps) but a long runner can start good and completely turn to shit (bleach). Bleach in particular really rustled me when I saw the direction they took it. Also, like I mentioned before, spectacle creep happens a lot in long running shows, to the point that some events become super ridiculous (again bleach is a prime example).

Feb 22, 2014 5:47 PM

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Used the mangastorm app

Oh. I have that never tried it before though.

Feb 22, 2014 6:09 PM

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tsudecimo said:

Cupquake said:

Used the mangastorm app

Oh. I have that never tried it before though.

You should get it. It makes reading manga 100x easier.

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tsudecimo said:

Nicobade said:

tsudecimo said:

Nicobade said:

tsudecimo said:

Nicobade said:

tsudecimo said:

Nicobade said:

Well to start off I want to explain something about how I would classify a plot hole. When I discuss whether something is a plot hole, I am not looking for possible subtle explanations that could solve the plot hole like "maybe if by saying that what he really meant was this". What I am trying to do is get in the mind of the mangaka and trying to figure out what they were trying to convey to the readers given the context of the story at the time. I'll explain more with examples as I go on.

I don't think we are going to reach a conclusion with this Madara age thing. I would leave it at this: Madara said that he died shortly after awakening his rinnegan however upon examination that time period is actually quite long. I think that Kishi's full intent was for the statement to imply that it was a short time the same way that anyone would consider a short time but he didn't think properly about how much time had actually passed.

Not sure where it said that Zabuza killed his class mates 11 years before the series. If you have an image from the anime or manga chapter saying this then please link. If this was in fact stated I would still find it hard to believe since that would mean that Zabuza graduated when he was 15. 15 years is much older than most students graduation so that would imply that Zabuza was a failure of a ninja instead of a dangerous prodigy.

Otherwise I am pretty sure that Zabuza killed his classmates before Obito became Tobi. The databook states that Zabuza graduated when he was 9 which is around 5 years before Obito becoming Tobi.

It is true that Kakashi not using his MS any time in the pre TS isn't proof that he didn't have it. However Kishi didn't make any indication whatsoever that maybe he did have MS, most likely because he never thought of the idea until post TS. If Kakashi had MS for like 13 years but never realized he had it until sometime during the TS then there must be some explanation given for how that happened, however given the current situation in the manga it is unlikely that this will ever get explained.

There is certainly heavy implication that Kakashi feels guilty over the loss of someone but that isn't the same as implications that Kakashi has always had the MS.

The Kakashi MS thing may not exactly be a plot hole but I do think that it is an example of poor writing since it is very clear that we were meant to think that Kakashi only unlocked the MS during the TS only for this to be changed revealing that Kakashi always had it. This may sound fine to some but IMO it is poorly executed because of the lack of clues that would explain this sudden revelation. Because of this lack of indication it only leads me to believe that Kishi wasn't thinking ahead and had no intention of revealing such a thing until he was already well into writing part 2 of the series.

There really shouldn't be any debate about the age. Majority of character's ages as well as graduation ages are clearly stated in databooks which are written by Kishimoto himself.

Honestly what it all really comes down to are 2 very poignant problems in the way that Kishi writes.
No 1. Kishi does not keep track of the timeline of his own series leading to continuity problems.
No. 2 Kishi does not properly think ahead leading to him writing himself into a wall multiple times and causing ass pulls. People can argue all they want about whether there is any evidence to explain these things but if he just thought ahead and included foreshadowing then nobody would be questioning these things.

I will concede that my points about the Kyuubi and Kisame are not strong enough to prove anything. All I will say is that even if Kishi always knew that he was going to reveal Tobi as Obito, whenever he wrote Tobi's actions in the story he wrote them from the perspective of Madara behind the mask instead of Obito behind the mask.

If the Village of the Bloody Mist had been made before Yagura was being controlled that brings up a lot of questions about why he did so which probably won't get answered since he has been sealed.

If the sharingan user wasn't Obito? Who could it have been?
The hair style and length match the same person who aided Itachi in the Uchiha Massacre who we can also assume was Obito. There are only so many Sharingan users in the world that have the motive and ability to do such a thing and it's a bit late in the series to have another plot twist.

Tobi's naming, hairstyle and the similar design of Kakashi's Kamui to his space time jutsu were literally the only clues I could possibly think of that ever indicated Obito was Tobi. What you are suggesting right now is that Kishi wrote a "red herring" where something was designed to lead viewers to a false conclusion (Tobi was Madara) so they don't pay attention to the truth leading to interesting twist. A good twist is one where no-one manages to predict it but looking back on everything it all makes sense. This is not at all what happened with the Tobi reveal. Tobi's identity had been discussed for several years and Obito had always been the most obvious theory by far but it was never the most supported theory because it didn't make any sense.

Kishi has provided a flashback that has tried to explain some things but the big problem is that there was still never very few underlying clues beforehand to support this. From what we knew of Tobi before the reveal he was a powerful enigmatic figure who was a master of many ninjutsu, knew about the history of shinobi and had a grand plan to engulf the world in eternal sleep. What we knew about Obito...was that he was a fairly weak chunin ninja who knew the fireball jutsu and had a crush on a girl and an inferiority complex to Kakashi...

This transition is just so unbelievably drastic that there needed to be some good clues to make it smoother but there wasn't. Maybe if there was some clues that Tobi's Moon Eyes Plan was actually personal to him or some indication that Tobi knew Minato or Kakashi when he encountered each of them or maybe an indication Obito actually had a lot of hidden potential beyond what we saw of him in Kakashi Gaiden. None of these clues were present, whenever Tobi appeared he gave of the presence of Madara and not a single bit of Obito which is what I meant by Kishi wrote him from the perspective of Madara even if he knew in the back of his mind that he was meant to be Obito.

Yes that seems far fetched and from the point that the manga is up to I think it would be unlikely for something such as that to be revealed any time before the series ends.

The situation about Rin being a Jinchuriki is a different matter but it is an extremely convoluted idea. I think the plan was that Kirigakure wanted to capture her and implant the 3 tails in her then let her be rescued and then she would release the 3 tails to attack Konoha. There are an unbelievable amount of holes in this plan like Rin being an insignificant ninja that Konoha probably shouldn't care that much about, Rin not having any particular traits that would make her a suitable host, Rin could easily kill herself to stop the plan which is what happened and the Kirigakure ninja had no way to ensure that somehow the Three Tails got released once Rin returned to Konoha.

If you did see some clues with Tobi's encounter with Minato and Kakashi please reference them because to me those encounters seemed completely neutral and impersonal. I'm not saying that Kishi didn't plan to have Tobi be Obito, all I am saying is that he didn't bother to include sufficient foreshadowing. I don't think the Itachi plot twist was amazingly executed but for the most part it made sense and the clues were very much there since they seemed to emphasize how kind Itachi was in flashbacks thus making the massacre seem out of character.

Well I don't like how Obito is nothing like Tobi. I already made my comparison between the 2 and explained how there wasn't a smooth transition between them.

Another big problem is that there exists a huge lack of correlation between Obito's motive and his actions. Obito is pretty much doing all of this because his crush, Rin, died which is a very weak shitty motive considering the incredible atrocities that he has committed. Obito is probably responsible for the deaths of tens if not hundreds of thousands of people through his creation of the Akatsuki, attack on Konoha, control of the Village of the Bloody Mist and starting the 4th Great Shinobi World War.

While other villains like Nagato have had their world views shaped by years of suffering and multiple traumatic incidents including: having his parents killed in front of him, struggling as an orphan on the street, seeing your country torn apart by foreign invaders and inadvertently killing your own best friend. Obito's entire world view is due to a single event when he was a hormonal teenager. There are other factors like Madara's manipulation and what not but at it's core Rin is the entire driving force behind Obito's actions. This is especially clear in the manga where Kishi sought to remind us this by making Obito make a speech about Rin almost every single chapter since he was revealed. If Obito had a different backstory he could have still seem like a badass villain but with a twisted outlook on life shaped by horrible hardship that we could sympathise with. Instead Obito comes off as a emo man-child, who has been given way too much power, and won't grow up and get over the chick that he wanted to bone when he was 12.

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Well this reached a part where it's a simple difference in opinions. I will say this though.

In the end I genuinely appreciate the detailed arguments and that you were considerate enough to not spoil me. I can't say I find that many people that can actually go in detail when it comes to Naruto or anything for that matter.

Feb 22, 2014 7:07 PM

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tsudecimo said:
Well this reached a part where it's a simple difference in opinions. I will say this though.

In the end I genuinely appreciate the detailed arguments and that you were considerate enough to not spoil me. I can't say I find that many people that can actually go in detail when it comes to Naruto or anything for that matter.

Now even if I can't agree with a lot of your interpretation of these events but you have made a commendable effort of explaining it that I can at least understand why you would think in such a way.

Feb 24, 2014 10:00 AM

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@Nicobade

I didn't want to revive the argument since it ended in good terms but I was reading the manga ( the chapters that were already covered by the anime anyway) and

Feb 24, 2014 10:06 AM

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Well I don't think that it's hate or anything. It's just the fact that those series which are longer tend to lose all it's charm, which could make some people pissed. Shounens tend to be more succesful with this since they most of them are no brainers and they can spin around and around without advancing plot.

Genres such as psychological can't do that since they have to advance and develop the plot all the time. In the long run this becomes quite hard. Just as an example - there aren't that many series that are like Monster. Since it's really hard to keep up the psychological thrill and atmosphere.

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Feb 24, 2014 6:40 PM

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Get the f*** on with it.

I dislike lelouch vi Britannia.

im a shiki supporter

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Just past the 1500th Mark bitches

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Feb 24, 2014 8:23 PM

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@Nicobade

I didn't want to revive the argument since it ended in good terms but I was reading the manga ( the chapters that were already covered by the anime anyway) and

Feb 25, 2014 5:48 AM

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If you really like some serie you probaly like it whether it long or not. I rather say you dont start watch long anime than the short one. For example I havent watched Bleach because it is so long and I am already wathcing Naruto and my time simply dont enouhg to watch it. Shorter animes like 12-26 episodes are nice cause you go to the final end quickly. Longer ones are good cause you get more enjoy wonderful series and those plots, characters an all. I cant say why some hate long animes why should hate something? There are anime for all prefereces it si not meaningful are they long or short I believe ^_^

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Feb 25, 2014 10:23 AM

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because they're usually messy and detract from the main plot. atleast bleach is about taking down aizen (until the new arc :( ) but seriously sometimes i think luffy forgets what the one piece is LOL.

Feb 25, 2014 10:27 AM

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because they're usually messy and detract from the main plot. atleast bleach is about taking down aizen (until the new arc :( ) but seriously sometimes i think luffy forgets what the one piece is LOL.

He doesn't know what One Piece is. Almost no one does.

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Feb 25, 2014 10:37 AM

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ulquiorraalghul said:
because they're usually messy and detract from the main plot. atleast bleach is about taking down aizen (until the new arc :( ) but seriously sometimes i think luffy forgets what the one piece is LOL.

He doesn't forget. What happens is that the One Piece is literally at the fucking end of the world. So, he has to defeat all the enemies and hardships of the world before reaching it.

The only True Ending is the Harem Ending.

Feb 25, 2014 10:44 AM

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Andan210 said:

ulquiorraalghul said:
because they're usually messy and detract from the main plot. atleast bleach is about taking down aizen (until the new arc :( ) but seriously sometimes i think luffy forgets what the one piece is LOL.

He doesn't forget. What happens is that the One Piece is literally at the fucking end of the world. So, he has to defeat all the enemies and hardships of the world before reaching it.

Which probably never happen. One piece is treasures. The pirate king said he store everything in one piece, literally. The treasure doesn't name one piece it self.

If I should believe in God. I should also believe in the tooth fairy. The bible is man made. It was Made by bearded men to try and control people with their beliefs. Off topic. No anime can even come close to Nana. :P

Feb 25, 2014 10:46 AM

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Ghost001 said:

Andan210 said:

ulquiorraalghul said:
because they're usually messy and detract from the main plot. atleast bleach is about taking down aizen (until the new arc :( ) but seriously sometimes i think luffy forgets what the one piece is LOL.

He doesn't forget. What happens is that the One Piece is literally at the fucking end of the world. So, he has to defeat all the enemies and hardships of the world before reaching it.

Which probably never happen. One piece is treasures. The pirate king said he store everything in one piece, literally. The treasure doesn't name one piece it self.

Even if he were to defeat them all, it would probably take another 600 episodes. and possibly another 600.

Feb 25, 2014 10:47 AM

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